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00:32:39 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:16:57 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:25:44 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:01 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b22.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:38 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:26 *** Xal [~xal@S0106f0f2490b0073.vw.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 03:26:54 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:35:20 *** Xal [~xal@S0106f0f2490b0073.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 04:55:09 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-137-31.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 05:43:42 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:49:11 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:51:01 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 05:51:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:15:06 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has joined #openttd 06:27:03 *** Xal [~xal@S0106f0f2490b0073.vw.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 06:30:25 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d820198.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 06:46:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:48:26 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b22.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:02:57 <Alberth> o/ 07:09:18 <andythenorth> o/ 07:23:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18BA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:38:51 * andythenorth scratches head 07:40:35 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:41:08 <andythenorth> I levelled the stats of all the different truck types a while ago 07:41:22 <andythenorth> e.g. open, flat, box, tank, dump, edibles tank, freezer 07:41:27 <Alberth> ok 07:41:30 <andythenorth> all same speed, capacity, hp for each generation 07:41:37 <andythenorth> seems to make sense in game 07:41:49 <andythenorth> but (1) fights realism (2) Iron Horse does not do that 07:42:07 <Alberth> truck type is largely decided by cargo type, I assume? 07:42:11 <andythenorth> yup 07:43:02 <andythenorth> open trucks are universal, so thereâs always at least two choices (specialist / universal) 07:43:24 <andythenorth> making the specialist trucks âbetterâ just makes the universal truck look stats-crippled 07:43:45 <Alberth> freezer seems nice with slower decay 07:43:58 <andythenorth> yes, decay and loading speed vary, but player doesnât see those 07:44:02 <Alberth> at the cost of some capacity, perhaps 07:44:13 <andythenorth> itâs probably fine, but I noticed Iron Horse has a different approach :) 07:44:46 <Alberth> how is tank different from edibles tank? 07:44:50 <Alberth> just type of cargo? 07:45:17 <andythenorth> edibles tank has a decay bonus iirc 07:45:23 <Alberth> universal type could be autorefit-ish as feature 07:45:24 <andythenorth> tank does not refit food-type cargos 07:45:47 <andythenorth> having put it into words, it *is* fine, I just need to change sprites for some trucks 07:46:24 <Alberth> more pixels :) 07:46:47 <andythenorth> yup 07:46:55 <andythenorth> Iâm getting good at changing truck lengths quickly :P 07:49:07 <Alberth> I usually pick the specialist wagon, as it gives more diversity in the trains 07:51:05 <andythenorth> yup 07:51:15 * andythenorth bbl 07:51:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:52:14 <Alkel_U3> morning 07:52:26 <Alkel_U3> that's a nice airbus https://video-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t43.1792-2/13419820_147954308951180_646817334_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9oZCJ9&oh=62c4f00f5cdd4da36c18fd21f2156533&oe=575BE81D 07:53:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host61-236-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:53:31 <Wolf01> o/ 08:03:01 <Alberth> moin W, and so early in the afternoon! :) 08:09:27 <Wolf01> "so we just halved the mining time of rails" \o/ 08:09:50 <Wolf01> "The inventory space was running out in the later game, so we made the armor give the character an inventory size bonuses (up to 30)" \o/ \o/ \o/ 08:10:27 <Alkel_U3> oooh, new 3f 08:11:09 <Wolf01> also what's that crane in the picture? hype crane 08:13:18 <Wolf01> V, new belts graphics? 08:14:06 <Wolf01> also concrete walls connectable to circuit network? 08:14:37 <Alkel_U3> that looks like old belt, just the circuit network box also comes with a frame on top of the belt 08:15:09 <Wolf01> I hope they finally added sidings to the belts, they look like hovering now 08:40:58 *** roidal_ [~roland@193-154-142-141.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 08:45:31 *** roidal [~roland@62-46-137-31.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:06 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 08:51:40 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d820198.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:52:00 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:56:11 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 08:56:15 <Samu> hi 09:03:49 <Samu> i wish i could reproduce borkai issue in a timely manner, but having to wait 47 years for it is a big turndown 09:05:03 <Samu> when i load the savegame, his ram usage is back to nothing 09:05:11 <Samu> it must go 47 straight 09:05:16 <Samu> 47 years 09:06:10 <Samu> what went wrong with the server when borkai crashed? 09:06:22 <Samu> I wonder what happened exactly then 09:06:37 <Samu> my spectating instance got a network-connection lost 09:06:42 <Samu> right when borkai crashed 09:07:52 <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&p=1170588#p1170588 09:08:47 <Samu> *** Xarick Preto has left the game (leaving) 09:08:55 <Samu> that's definitely not what I did 09:09:27 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 09:09:32 <Samu> dbg: [net] [udp] advertising to master server dbg: [script] The script died unexpectedly. One of the running scripts crashed. Please report this to the script author with a screenshot of the AI/Game Script Debug Window â*** Xarick Preto has left the game (leaving) dbg: [net] Closed client connection 10 09:11:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:54 <Samu> frame 1303406 09:14:29 <Alberth> if it eats memory very slowly, I can see it would take 47 years 09:14:57 <Samu> (1303406 / 74) / 365 = 48.2 09:15:02 <Samu> okay, so it's 48 years 09:27:07 <Samu> no, this was the frame when i re-joined after it crashed 09:27:09 <Samu> my bad 09:27:22 <Samu> there is no real way to tell exactly when bork crashed 09:27:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:21 <Samu> erm, no that's someone else joining before me, gah... this is complicated to debug 09:28:43 <Samu> either 47 or 48 years 09:28:48 <Samu> no more, no lesss 09:29:55 <Samu> oh, that's actually my ip address 09:30:14 <Samu> strange, sometimes it connects me via intranet, sometimes via internet 09:33:06 <Wolf01> that's why they invented the hosts file 09:33:22 <Samu> Your IPv4 Address Is: 84.91.250.188 09:33:31 <Samu> dbg: [net] [server] Client connected from 84.91.250.188 on frame 1303406 09:33:37 <Samu> yup, that's me 09:34:22 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:55 <Samu> https://www.openttd.org/en/server/101078 - confirmed again, it was me 09:37:07 <Samu> hi Wormnest , maybe u can bring light to this issue 09:37:57 <Samu> do u know what borkai is doing that i hogs ram like nothing? 09:38:02 <Samu> it* 09:38:42 <Wormnest> I havenÂŽt really looked into borkaiÂŽs code so IÂŽm afraid not 09:38:48 <Samu> oh:( 09:39:54 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 09:40:07 <Samu> what are hosts file? 09:43:52 <Wormnest> hosts contains website name to ip translations/redirects 09:45:22 <Wolf01> also static routes might help 09:46:56 <Wolf01> but if you set up a host or a static route in the same pc you use as server, the advertising to master server won't work 09:48:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:49:44 <Wolf01> you might want to connect via direct ip -> localhost instead of the server list 09:50:28 <Samu> i see, it must have been my error 09:50:43 <Samu> i was connected via server list indeed 09:50:59 <V453000> Wolf01: :) 09:51:08 <Wolf01> it's useless to advertise a private server for testing only 09:51:24 <Wolf01> V, furious hype 09:51:34 <Samu> i see my server listed twice 09:51:49 <Samu> 127.0.0.1 and 84.91.250.188 09:52:00 <Samu> i must have joined the wrong one 09:52:25 <V453000> furious hype. 09:52:40 <V453000> guys are finding a lot of desyncs and crashes lately, should be release-ready soon :) 09:53:10 <V453000> I like how much mystery and wtf did I cause with the circuit connector module preview :) 09:53:24 <Wolf01> :D 09:54:19 <V453000> so, the "crane" is new train station graphics, wall is gate 09:56:02 <Wolf01> I like it, it fits the setting more than the old "pole" 09:56:19 <V453000> it has some extra features, too 09:56:35 <V453000> (lights for actiity showing) 09:56:45 <Samu> @logs 09:56:45 <DorpsGek> Samu: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 09:57:23 <Wolf01> I hope you changed the ticking sound too, it is driving me mad when I'm working on stations, I still hear it also when I go to sleep XD 10:04:33 <Samu> i got a 3rd ip address 10:04:47 <Samu> 192.168.1.12 10:05:02 <Samu> what a mess 10:05:17 <Samu> sometimes this one is 192.168.1.11 10:05:39 <Wolf01> you do really know how these things work, don't you? 10:08:58 <Samu> sometimes I think I don't 10:09:07 <Samu> so, no 10:09:53 <Samu> 127.0.0.1 never changes 10:10:17 <Samu> that's the only thing I observe, and I'm not sure about it "never" changing 10:14:53 <debdog> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost 10:19:46 <Samu> i seem to have an ipv6 address too, a tunnel of some sort... this is hell 10:20:19 <Wolf01> welcome to the IT world :) 10:20:19 <Samu> fe80::a9a4:c62b:4b52:93ca%3 10:20:45 <Alkel_U3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address 10:22:52 <Samu> 2001:0:9d38:6ab8:87a:36aa:aba4:543 10:23:46 <Samu> ok, enough of that 10:28:09 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b22.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: .] 10:45:35 <Samu> dbg: [net] [server] Client connected from ::1 on frame 2280508 10:45:56 <Samu> ::1 is ipv6 address? 10:46:34 <Samu> yes, it seems 10:46:39 <Samu> localhost for ipv6 10:48:50 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:48:57 <Samu_> @logs 10:48:57 <DorpsGek> Samu_: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 10:49:13 <Samu_> start /D "C:\Program Files\OpenTTD" openttd.exe -b 8bpp-optimized -n :3980#255 10:49:58 <Samu_> this means I'm joining my server 1 as spectator with ipv6 address ::1 10:50:14 *** Samu__ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:50:21 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4e31102a.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:32 <Samu__> why am I being dropped from chat 10:50:36 <Samu__> :( 10:51:02 *** Samu___ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:51:10 <Samu___> [11:50] == Disconnected from server: Failed to connect, please connect to https://webirc.oftc.net:8443?channels=%23openttd&nick=Samu&uio=d4 and accept the certificate and try again 10:51:57 *** Samu____ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:52:04 <Samu____> [11:50] == Disconnected from server: Failed to connect, please connect to https://webirc.oftc.net:8443?channels=%23openttd&nick=Samu&uio=d4 and accept the certificate and try again 10:52:57 *** Samu_____ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:54:01 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:04 *** Xarick [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:54:09 <Xarick> test 10:54:32 *** OsteHove` [~OsteHovel@cE6A03E56.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:32 *** Xarick [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:41 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:41 *** Samu_____ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:51 <Wolf01> lol, chat annoyed by him? 10:54:51 *** Samu____ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:09 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:55:11 *** Samu___ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:07 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@cE6A03E56.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:07 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:06 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:58:35 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:58:41 *** Samu__ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:12 <Samu_> test 10:59:50 <Samu_> [11:50] == Disconnected from server: Failed to connect, please connect to https://webirc.oftc.net:8443?channels=%23openttd&nick=Samu&uio=d4 and accept the certificate and try again 10:59:57 <Samu_> I'm in for real now? 11:00:24 <Samu_> there is no certificate whatsoever that I can accept 11:00:30 <Samu_> I don't know what's that about 11:03:43 <Samu_> @logs 11:03:43 <DorpsGek> Samu_: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 11:05:11 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:47 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has left #openttd [] 11:08:00 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 11:08:16 <Samu> bla 11:29:27 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:56 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b22.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:57 <Samu> i'm gonna start logging scripts in a different manner 11:54:04 <Samu> debuglevel script=9 11:54:45 <greeter> have fun reading those logs lol 12:09:55 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:25:11 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@mahdalviktor.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 12:25:11 *** KouDy [~koudy@mahdalviktor.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:20 <andythenorth> o/ 12:38:08 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b22.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:11 <greeter> greetings andythenorth 12:42:59 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:09 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:18 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b22.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:56 *** LondonCentralB7TL [~oftc-webi@5ac4e76c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:10 <LondonCentralB7TL> Hey 12:56:13 <Alberth> yo 12:57:12 <FLHerne> Oy 13:01:36 *** LondonCentralB7TL [~oftc-webi@5ac4e76c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:05 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:16 <Alberth> no london central here 13:12:05 <Samu> arf... nocab 13:12:13 <Samu> can't watch it 13:12:53 <Samu> lost connection 13:13:01 <Samu> if i rejoin, i will trigger a save 13:13:49 <Samu> i need to do only one save, in 1st jan 2051 13:14:05 <Samu> is there a way to schedule a save? 13:16:41 <Samu> dbg: [net] send failed with error 10054 â*** Xarick Preto has left the game (connection lost) dbg: [net] Closed client connection 3 13:16:51 <Samu> what is 10054 again :( 13:16:56 <Samu> brb 13:18:43 <Samu> Connection reset by peer. 13:19:54 <Samu> An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host. This normally results if the peer application on the remote host is suddenly stopped, the host is rebooted, the host or remote network interface is disabled, or the remote host uses a hard close 13:20:06 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@mahdalviktor.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:11 <Samu> well i hibernated 13:20:22 <Samu> not really closed the connection 13:20:48 <Alberth> without disconnecting? yeah, that counts as "application suddenly stopped" :p 13:21:23 <Alberth> you have to send answers when you receive data 13:22:23 <Alberth> like "I received it in good/bad shape" 13:22:39 <Samu> some connections stand 13:22:45 <Samu> a few drop 13:22:51 <Alberth> no they don't 13:23:02 <Samu> most of the time it stands, but lately i've been getting a mix 13:23:14 <Alberth> either the connection was really never there, or it is silently re-established 13:23:45 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip4-83-240-28-102.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #openttd 13:23:51 <Alberth> eg games just send you data without caring that you received it 13:24:13 <Alberth> that is faster, but not reliable 13:24:43 <Alberth> openttd wants confirmation, and sets up a proper network connection that gives reliability checks 13:24:47 <Samu> what does windows do when it hibernates? 13:25:07 <Alberth> just die, from an external network point of view 13:25:27 <Samu> i got 8 servers and 8 spectating instances, i tell windows, HIBERNATE NOW, i thought it pauses everything and saves current windows session state 13:25:39 <Samu> but i dunno what happens under the hood 13:25:44 <Alberth> sure, inside your system 13:26:08 <Samu> yes, they're all the same system 13:26:26 <Alberth> likely it uses timers with system time 13:26:42 <Alberth> so when you boot up again it finds a huge gap of time missing 13:28:14 <andythenorth> hmmm 13:28:15 <andythenorth> wheels https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjAtwRRXEAE3yxx.jpg 13:28:42 <Alberth> ha, heavy steel :) 13:29:07 <Alberth> how fast does that truck go? 13:31:46 <andythenorth> probably 55mph or so 13:31:47 <andythenorth> dunno :) 13:32:14 <Alberth> normal speed thus, which makes sense, I guess 13:32:33 <Alberth> sounds a bit dangerous that fast with so much weight behind you :p 13:36:17 <andythenorth> 74t gross weight 13:37:32 <Samu> nice console command, getdate 13:37:43 <Samu> i need to be using it often 13:38:01 <Samu> there's no other way to tell the current date of nocab server, is it? 13:38:15 <Samu> oh, maybe there is 13:38:46 <Samu> https://www.openttd.org/en/server/101082 13:38:55 <Samu> nice, better this way 13:39:11 <andythenorth> seems they are 55mph, and 35mph in winter 13:39:19 <Alberth> :) 13:39:30 <andythenorth> and restricted to travelling at certain times of day 13:39:41 <andythenorth> and they have more brake force per wheel than ânormalâ trucks 13:40:05 <Alberth> you'd really want that :) 13:40:13 * andythenorth wonders about resurrecting RV-wagons concept 13:40:27 <andythenorth> optional trailers for trucks, like building trains 13:40:57 <andythenorth> there was a spec 13:41:11 <Samu> do you know how I can trigger a save on 1st Jan 2051? 13:41:23 <Samu> it's important that I save it by then 13:41:27 <Samu> i can't miss it 13:42:36 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:45:14 <Samu> also note I can only save once, only got 1 shot, else nocab will take too long to save and crashes 13:45:47 <Samu> i dont mind when it crashes on 1st jan 2051, that's when I end my testings 13:49:44 <Alberth> RVs can use a lot of love :) 13:50:24 <andythenorth> currently theyâre a bit restrictive 13:50:36 <andythenorth> Road Hog is going to end visually quite bland, like default vehicles 13:50:53 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:51:24 <andythenorth> upgrading from single-unit to trailer trucks isnât possible (due to drive in stops) 13:51:32 <andythenorth> so ~everything has to be a trailer truck 13:51:44 <andythenorth> similar appearance and size for all generations 13:52:08 <andythenorth> nvm :) 14:05:46 <Wolf01> why do give fucks about this? with trains nobody stops you to upgrade to electrified if a station isn't and the train can't enter the station and deadlock the entire network 14:10:14 <andythenorth> because thatâs railtypes and fair mistake 14:10:23 <andythenorth> RV stops are just a booby trap 14:10:45 <andythenorth> itâs like the game punching you in the face just for lulz 14:11:29 <Wolf01> I don't see it this way, it's part of the puzzle ;) 14:12:18 <FLHerne> It sort of has to work that way, a HEQS tram backing into a drive-in stop would look ridiculous :P 14:12:29 <andythenorth> doesnât apply to trams ;) 14:12:46 <andythenorth> you canât ever have a tram with a drive-in stop in its orders 14:12:49 <FLHerne> A string of crawlerwagons wouldn't be any better 14:13:00 <Wolf01> still wrong example 14:13:36 <andythenorth> those examples assumes the âproblemâ is that RVs should be able to use drive-in stops ;) 14:13:40 <andythenorth> assume * 14:14:51 <andythenorth> it bugs me when the UI loads a gun for you, then asks you to point it at your head 14:15:08 <andythenorth> then sends you helpful âyou screwed up' messages after youâve shot yourself 14:16:25 <Wolf01> the only places I've seen trucks with semi trailers going in drive-in stations had an enormous free space to let trucks to maneuver 14:16:51 <Wolf01> and clearly TT drive-in stations are thought for lorries, not trucks 14:17:19 <Samu> mogul server is reaching 2051 real soon, same as AIAI 14:18:11 <Wolf01> so, if I want to purchase a truck with semi trailer, or even a lorry with trailer, I should check where I need to send it 14:18:41 <Wolf01> the same when you have 5 tile long stations and you purchase a mammoth 72 tiles train 14:19:12 <andythenorth> nah, drive-in stops should just be removed 14:19:22 <andythenorth> but no-one will do that because somebody will make a counter case 14:19:46 <Wolf01> for the first stage of game and inner city delivering I like drive-in stops 14:19:56 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Yep, they're quite useful 14:20:00 <Wolf01> and I use lorries for those 14:20:27 <andythenorth> someone suggested maybe showing station compatibility in buy menu 14:20:30 <andythenorth> maybe frosch 14:20:35 <ST2> I'll do a counter counter case, by the fact I agree with andythenorth xD 14:21:18 <Samu> 2051 :) 14:21:31 <Samu> mogul has ended without crashing 14:21:34 <FLHerne> Bleh, I have to confess these crawlers are bloody useless :-/ 14:21:51 <andythenorth> HEQS? 14:22:00 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Yeah 14:22:15 <andythenorth> completely stupid :) 14:22:21 <andythenorth> they only make sense with NotRoadTypes 14:22:23 <FLHerne> I try to use everything just to counter your and Pikka's "no-one uses everything!" grumblinkg 14:22:40 <andythenorth> HEQS is stupid, but somehow itâs ok 14:22:48 <FLHerne> But they're just so damn slow, a sane vehicle with a third of the capacity has just as much throughput 14:22:55 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:10 <Wolf01> if it was for them, we only had trains and trucks now :P 14:23:11 <FLHerne> Or trams 14:23:11 <andythenorth> they are a solution looking for a problem 14:24:56 <Samu> Company Value: £2,007,985,370 - MogulAI 14:25:44 <andythenorth> $someone should test push build of Road Hog 14:25:53 <andythenorth> to see if Iâm smoking crack with all this redrawing 14:26:11 <FLHerne> This looked like a good place, but even for such a short route they were frustratingly sluggish https://i.imgur.com/aOFX9iM.png 14:26:29 <FLHerne> (also, yes, roadtypes, otherwise they just look silly :P) 14:26:38 <Samu> Company Value: £1,723,079,300 - AdmiralAI 14:26:51 <Samu> mogul takes 1st place 14:27:22 <andythenorth> FLHerne: want to help implement NotRoadTypes? o_O 14:27:55 <Wolf01> I would 14:28:58 <Samu> Company Value: £1,390,486,908 - Terron 14:29:06 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 14:29:16 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I'll put it on the list of things to do once I've done all the other things I never get round to :P 14:29:45 <andythenorth> canât be helped, eh? :P 14:30:15 <andythenorth> so, tanker lorry, powered by steam? o_O 14:32:31 <FLHerne> Sounds slightly anachronistic? 14:32:52 <Wolf01> and even electric vehicles >2000 14:32:53 <FLHerne> Barrels on dropside thing? 14:33:27 *** shirish [~quassel@103.208.126.37] has joined #openttd 14:33:43 * andythenorth was wondering about fire risk 14:33:45 <andythenorth> but eh 14:40:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:17 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:55:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:21 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b22.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:07 <Samu> ST2: Company value is the most generally accepted performance indicator 15:09:15 <Samu> or do you have another view on it? 15:09:31 <ST2> most common, yes 15:09:37 <ST2> the most fair, no 15:09:53 <Samu> well, how to make it fair? 15:10:30 <ST2> consider the Bank account is a start ^^ 15:10:49 <ST2> CV can be exploited by buying alot of trains 15:11:35 <Rubidium> and bank account by taking out a loan 15:12:08 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b22.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:22 <Samu> i dont know if AIs can exploit that 15:12:35 <Samu> probably they can 15:12:40 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:52 <ST2> Bank account = Cash you have - Loan 15:13:21 <ST2> gladly OpenTTD allows GS's to read both and do the math ^^ 15:14:01 <Samu> i see some AIs that are always wasting money 15:14:09 <Samu> hmm 15:14:09 <ST2> the sad part is that info is only provided quarterly :( 15:14:50 <Samu> what about yearly profits? 15:15:07 <Samu> yearly income 15:15:28 <ST2> that can be used too but easelly exploited too, by human players, I mean ^^ 15:16:08 <ST2> ideal is a mix ^^ 15:16:18 <Samu> i dont think humans can exploit 5000 vehicles in the last year anyway 15:16:23 <ST2> but hard to define values 15:17:09 <andythenorth> blearch 15:17:43 <Samu> company value + last year income 15:17:50 <Samu> hmm delivered cargo? 15:18:21 <Samu> most profitable vehicle last year 15:18:29 <Samu> is what i've been looking 15:18:31 <Samu> but... meh 15:18:33 <ST2> flip a coin :P 15:18:47 <Samu> there are certain AIs, like terron, who like to sell vehicles tooo damn often 15:18:56 <Samu> they don't even get a last year profit 15:19:20 <andythenorth> why are the mining trucks in Road Hog? Anyone played it and used them? 15:20:12 <Wormnest> Bank account is not always a good indicator 15:20:38 <Wormnest> an ai that invests a lot will have a lower bank account than one that does invest a lot in improvements 15:21:27 <Wormnest> *does not 15:21:54 <Samu> i noticed that, but not always the case, it reaches a point where the many actions they need to do don't outpace the profit they earn 15:21:56 <ST2> there's not a perfect one, if used isolated, imo 15:22:15 <ST2> CV and performance can be a good mix 15:22:45 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:00 <Wormnest> Yea a combination is best 15:23:01 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 15:25:07 <ST2> we don't use it (community choice), but n-ice goal servers have a combo 15:25:11 <ST2> like: [16:24:31] <+OTTD-3> --- First company with 100,000,000 EUR CV and a perf. score of 300 wins the game. --- 15:25:31 <frosch123> andythenorth: https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/statcomp1.png https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/statcomp2.png https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/statcomp3.png https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/statcomp4.png https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/statcomp5.png https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/statcomp6.png https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/statcomp7.png 15:25:42 <frosch123> i need better names :/ 15:25:50 <frosch123> "Stations:" is weird 15:25:58 <frosch123> also, what to display for trams? 15:26:34 <Samu> performance rate, well all AIs reach 900 in less than 10 years 15:26:39 <Samu> or most 15:26:58 <frosch123> also, where to put this line between all the other ones? 15:28:31 <andythenorth> frosch123: âStations:â is not bad 15:28:35 <andythenorth> itâs exactly the noun 15:28:43 <andythenorth> âroutingâ or something would be worse 15:28:49 <andythenorth> name the thing for what it is 15:29:36 <andythenorth> what would you put for trains? o_O 15:29:47 <frosch123> nothing for ships and trains :) 15:30:07 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I have, they're alright for short shuttle 15:30:09 <frosch123> but since i added bus/truck for road vehicles, it may need tram/cargo-tram for trams? 15:30:19 <frosch123> tram-stop, cargo-tram-stop :/ 15:30:42 <frosch123> or i just disply nothing for trams as well :) 15:31:09 <Samu> pickup point? 15:31:24 <andythenorth> frosch123: I figured nothing for trams 15:31:35 <frosch123> not sure whether removeing the "bus-" and "truck-" part is good 15:31:37 <andythenorth> but maybe the pax/freight thing is a point 15:31:48 <frosch123> i just may be esier for translators 15:31:56 <frosch123> *it 15:32:20 <Samu> "compatible stations:" 15:32:21 <frosch123> "all stops" and "drive-through-stops only" would work in english 15:32:42 <Samu> oh, that 2nd part 15:33:08 <frosch123> but maybe people don't get the bus/truck thingie :p 15:33:15 <andythenorth> âallâ might cause bus/truck problems :P 15:36:14 <andythenorth> nice feature though 15:37:30 * andythenorth removes all the mining trucks from Road Hog 15:38:08 <Samu> oops, CPU (the AI named like that), needs some fine tunning in its parameters to be any decent, thing I better test him some other day 15:38:37 <Samu> think* 15:42:26 <Samu> Company Value: £1,780,553,625 - AIAI 15:42:42 <Samu> slightly better than AdmiralAI 15:43:04 <Samu> i suspect they use the same code 15:46:39 <Samu> Automatic Idiot AI version iota (95) 15:46:42 <Samu> lol 15:46:55 <Samu> resuses code from: bla bla bla, AdmiralAI, bla bla 15:47:16 <Samu> heh I suspected as much 15:48:07 <Samu> they were mimicing many stuff 15:48:12 <Samu> but interesting 15:48:45 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:49:27 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:37 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:50 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@95.85.3.239] has joined #openttd 16:07:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:29 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:10:25 *** Quast65 [~oftc-webi@546A480F.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:03 *** Quast65 [~oftc-webi@546A480F.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 16:21:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:56 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:56 *** roidal_ [~roland@193-154-142-141.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:58 *** roidal_ [~roland@193-154-142-141.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:23:58 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 16:26:29 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 16:33:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6C7AD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:40:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6B8D7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm usually hesitant when andythenorth says "i remove every X", but yes, mining (or all off-road) stuff belongs into HEQS 16:52:02 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:55:25 <andythenorth> HEQS is dead 16:55:37 * andythenorth makes bold assertions :P 16:58:44 <Wolf01> then you wanted this 16:59:12 <Wolf01> bah, with this font it doesn't look so bold :( 16:59:18 <andythenorth> :P 16:59:21 <andythenorth> wfm 16:59:42 <Wolf01> should I purchase another arocs? 16:59:53 <glx> again ? 17:00:10 <andythenorth> no 17:00:20 <andythenorth> you have enough 17:00:26 <Wolf01> I need moar parts 17:00:28 <andythenorth> Lego is like food 17:00:38 <andythenorth> you keep eating, you donât know youâve eaten too much until you feel sick 17:00:44 <glx> drug in his case ;) 17:00:46 <Wolf01> but I'm slim and hungry :( 17:03:27 <andythenorth> articulated steam trucks eh 17:03:28 <andythenorth> http://www.theroyalwindsorwebsite.com/images01/transport/101926%20T%20R%20Sanders%206%20wheeler%206719%20700.jpg 17:03:40 <Wolf01> wonderful :D 17:03:43 <andythenorth> bit of variation from âcargo truck + cargo trailerâ 17:03:49 <andythenorth> buy menu was getting very boring 17:04:13 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: did you see this yesterday? o_O http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7839/truck-size-capacity-4.png 17:04:17 <andythenorth> âroughlyâ the same size 17:04:22 <andythenorth> I think itâs the correct approach 17:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i did not 17:05:37 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:50 <Eddi|zuHause> if there's like 2 decades between them, it should be fine 17:06:29 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, truck capacities are hugely exaggerated in this game. 17:07:15 *** FLHerne [~flh@cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust175.5-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:13 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:14 <andythenorth> there are about 29 years per generation 17:10:20 <andythenorth> seemed about right 17:11:31 <andythenorth> the more I fake the trucks against reality, the better they look :P 17:13:59 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:37 <Samu> 12 more years and RoadRunner server reaches 2051 17:21:56 <Samu> non-cheating RoadRunner 17:27:05 <Samu> is it even worth trying rondje? 17:27:26 <Samu> he doesn't build anything on his own solo, or did that change? 17:28:08 <Samu> choochoo also doesn't look worth trying, but... oh well 17:46:19 <Rubidium> Samu: it did win the TJIP AI challenge 17:49:56 <Samu> what's a tjip challenge? 17:51:00 <Rubidium> Samu: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=36059 18:03:42 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:53 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:58 <Wormnest> Too bad several of the contestants never made an online release of their ai 18:10:38 <Samu> nice read, odd to see NoCAB having trouble 18:10:47 <Samu> i don't recognize many of the AIs there 18:11:06 *** supermop__ [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:17 <Samu> so, if rondje didn't change at all 18:11:31 <Samu> it's worthless to even try it 18:11:37 <Samu> he's going to be solo 18:11:43 <Samu> and solo he does nothing 18:11:56 <Samu> unless some human player joins the server 18:12:02 <Samu> I won't be counting on that 18:12:23 *** Xal [~xal@S0106f0f2490b0073.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:41 <Samu> i'm still testing otvi 18:13:47 <Samu> the darn thing is slow 18:13:57 <Samu> this is its 4th day? 5th? 18:15:25 <Wormnest> I may have a look at it when im done with nocab. 18:15:37 <Wormnest> It does interesting things sometimes but at other times it seems to get stuck 18:16:46 <Samu> he's not stuck, he's just spamming "we got enough money to connect stuffs" "can't build; max vehicle limit reached", and looping all over again non-stop, it's stressing the server with major stalls 18:21:59 <Samu> CPU time for Otvi server: 38 hours, 42 minutes 18:22:07 <Samu> he's still in year 2014 18:31:52 <Samu> mogulai does an interesting thing 18:32:11 <Samu> Processing Damn Authorities: and he starts planting trees 18:32:32 <Samu> Damn Authorities is the name he called it 18:32:52 <Samu> Processing is the action 18:33:14 <Samu> he processes several normal stuff, but i got a laugh out of that one 18:35:00 <jaenster> lol 18:38:25 <Samu> otvi buys out other companies, also says interesting stuff about them 18:38:40 <Samu> cleaning up, firing people and stuff 18:38:48 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 18:39:15 <Samu> he goes on to destroy empty stations 18:39:20 <Samu> negative vehicles 18:39:23 <Samu> it's interesting 18:39:25 <jaenster> lol 18:40:46 <Samu> AIAI also has some weird lines 18:40:58 <Samu> "We're rich! Statues!" 18:45:34 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:48 <andythenorth> livestock trucks are really long 18:46:57 <andythenorth> cows must be low density :P 18:57:24 <Alberth> :) 18:59:42 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 18:59:45 <drac_boy> hi 19:00:08 <drac_boy> been quite a while since I last checked here heh .. then again hmm things been a bit quiet with the grf here tho 19:05:48 <Samu> ugh, that cpu evaluatior fix breaks too many AIs 19:06:09 <Samu> add choochoo to the list 19:06:41 <drac_boy> trying to bugfix or make a new AI? 19:07:39 <Samu> choochoo can't start 19:07:45 <Samu> cluelessplus can't start 19:08:16 <Samu> gonna test all them, see who can't start due to that fix 19:08:21 <Samu> should be quick 19:08:34 *** roidal_ [~roland@193-154-142-141.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 19:11:15 <drac_boy> ah I see...have fun with that anyhow 19:11:51 <jaenster> Goodluck 19:14:15 <drac_boy> just asking, any of you working on or planning some inkling for a grf of any sort? 19:14:41 <jaenster> inkling? 19:16:02 <drac_boy> jaenster see first two definitions here https://www.wordnik.com/words/inkling 19:16:03 <drac_boy> :-> 19:16:10 <jaenster> Thanks mate 19:17:00 <drac_boy> just asking, you from a nonenglish country? 19:17:09 <jaenster> The netherlands, yes 19:17:27 <jaenster> im not programming @ openttd, or help in anyway 19:17:33 <drac_boy> netherlands? hm really? funny because I'm trying to work out ordering a bicycle from a well known company there :) 19:17:42 <jaenster> im just one of those many autistic people that enjoy ttd 19:17:56 <jaenster> Gazelle? ^^ 19:18:17 <andythenorth> drac_boy: I donât work on grfs 19:18:27 <drac_boy> jaenster this http://www.workcycles.com/home-products/handmade-city-bicycles/workcycles-fr8-universal-frame-as-city-bike 19:18:59 <drac_boy> added a few small options such as full rear carrier and engraved nameplate but otherwise its alike to that photo (in mild green not plain black tho) 19:19:19 <jaenster> i seen it y 19:19:28 <jaenster> i got a bike costing 25 euros, second hand 19:19:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6C7AD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:19:33 <jaenster> so.. i dont really seem to care about it 19:19:46 <drac_boy> I'm ordering oversea because tbh almost noone in this stupid country knows what a gear hub is or how to design a frame for heavy weights :-s 19:19:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6C7AD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:19:50 <drac_boy> <canada 19:19:56 <jaenster> use /me 19:20:01 * jaenster is from the netherlands 19:20:24 <drac_boy> the only non-derailuer bicycle you can even buy are basically single-speed bicycles ... >_< 19:20:48 <Rubidium> drac_boy: where does it need to go to? 19:20:50 <drac_boy> I'll have fun with the shimano 8spd coasterbrake gearhub as soon as the bicycle can get here :) 19:21:09 <drac_boy> from NL to CAD? or thats not what you were asking me? :) 19:21:19 *** chomwitt [~chomwitt@athedsl-32414.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:38 <Rubidium> drac_boy: there are dealers in North America 19:21:53 <Rubidium> so maybe shipping is cheaper from there to you 19:22:09 <Rubidium> http://www.workcycles.com/dealers 19:23:04 <drac_boy> ah .. well no the only dealers are in usa and they don't even do customizations at all 19:23:08 <drac_boy> but thanks tho :) 19:23:26 <jaenster> why everyone is so amazed when they see all the bikes here in the netherlands 19:23:39 <jaenster> i dont see the point, where i work i meet allot of forgein people and they all are amazed xD 19:25:34 <drac_boy> jaenster well like I said .. the local bicycles here have no gearhub option and often come with weak light-duty frames :-> 19:26:03 <jaenster> y.. like i said.. i dont really care about bikes 19:26:05 <jaenster> use it every day=) 19:26:17 <jaenster> in an hour i got to work, i will bike=) 19:26:28 <Alberth> on nice flat road :) 19:26:34 <andythenorth> drac_boy: I sell you my bike? 19:26:37 * jaenster slaps Alberth 19:27:15 <andythenorth> not mine, but same bike http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-scott-sub-10-8-speed-alfine-commuter-hybrid-bike 19:27:34 <Rubidium> drac_boy: just get into contact with them using the form you get after clicking on "Purchase Information" 19:27:40 <andythenorth> 8 speed hub, zero maintenance so far, except brakes 19:27:51 <andythenorth> goes like stink 19:27:53 <drac_boy> jaenster well as soon as the workcycle gets here I'll be happy to use it for occasional trips including getting some food then head back home just like that :) 19:28:06 <jaenster> ^^ n00b 19:28:11 <jaenster> Use it for everything, point over 19:28:17 <jaenster> get a cheapass bike, use it for everything 19:28:24 <drac_boy> plus the kelvar-skinned tires would make easier work of the rutty surfaces some of the streets here have :-s 19:28:26 <jaenster> You dont need a special bike to use it 19:28:41 <drac_boy> jaenster..I told you noone here even knows how to make a frame for heavy duty uses 19:28:43 <jaenster> Learn to bike without hands and steer without hands.. then you dont feel the rutty surface's 19:30:28 * Rubidium uses a bike whenever it's not incredibly annoying to use one (e.g. I won't use it when public transport takes less than 50% of the travel time by bicycle) 19:30:44 <jaenster> y, i got a car too Rubidium, so i use that too sometimes 19:31:52 * Rubidium doesn't 19:32:15 <jaenster> y.. its too price 19:32:20 <jaenster> im thinking of giving it up too 19:33:02 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:18 <drac_boy> (sidenote: the frame is rated for 250kg so that would make easy work of 40kg in middle and two large juices plus some fruits in front then misc bags strapped to the rear bars ... and bounce down the uneven road at same time :) 19:34:54 <Rubidium> drac_boy: you could also come to the shop in Amsterdam. Getting here from Canada can be dirt cheap (if your flight gets delayed by more than 4 hours and the flight costs less than EUR 600 19:35:55 <jaenster> depends where you live tho 19:37:38 <drac_boy> :) 19:37:52 *** shirish [~quassel@103.208.126.37] has joined #openttd 19:37:55 <jaenster> Why are there no rentable bikes in openttd? 19:37:57 <jaenster> >< 19:38:12 <Rubidium> same reason there are no taxis 19:38:22 <jaenster> cuz they suck, or cuz they are not public transportation? 19:38:36 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 19:39:02 <andythenorth> drac_boy: if you want a tough frame http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/ 19:39:06 <andythenorth> you donât need it though :P 19:39:07 <Alberth> there is no tycoon money in it 19:39:15 <jaenster> haha Alberth, thats it y 19:39:59 <andythenorth> breaking your frame is rare 19:40:13 <andythenorth> breaking your rack is more common :P 19:40:25 <jaenster> or breaking your face when you fall 19:41:41 <andythenorth> ha 19:41:52 <drac_boy> jaenster I think the problem with bicycle in ottd is it only can carry one single passenger so its not even worth using much at all :) 19:42:10 <drac_boy> although it could almost just work in simutrans if you have a very small village with only one worker once in a while 19:42:43 <andythenorth> if thatâs the only problem... 19:45:46 <drac_boy> I think theres at least one taxi car grf somewhere for sure tho 19:46:10 <Rubidium> but that still picks up people from a bus stop and drops them there 19:46:37 <Rubidium> so one could also implement rickshaws 19:47:05 <Rubidium> but that doesn't really implement the door-to-door behaviour of those things 19:48:26 <Samu> got another AI crashing with that CPU evaluator: MailAI 19:48:30 <andythenorth> this book has self-piloting bikes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Policeman 19:48:35 <andythenorth> itâsâŠsurrealism 19:54:59 <peter1138> my bike goes where it wants, i just pedal it 20:07:20 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:57 <drac_boy> anyway think will just go off soon .. sorting out some hardware :-> 20:19:53 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 20:20:18 <andythenorth> this is like a house going down the road https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5554/14822373289_26947a9a4f_b.jpg 20:21:37 <Alberth> better than a real house being moved :) 20:22:53 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 20:31:05 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:37:51 *** chomwitt [~chomwitt@athedsl-118389.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 20:39:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:04:16 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:18:54 *** supermop__ [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:22 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:25 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 21:39:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:46:32 <Samu> back 21:47:43 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:39 <Samu> this fix is questionable https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6473?string=&project=1&search_name=&type%5B0%5D=&sev%5B0%5D=&pri%5B0%5D=&due%5B0%5D=&reported%5B0%5D=&cat%5B0%5D=&status%5B0%5D=&percent%5B0%5D=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= 21:48:44 <Samu> but... i dunno 21:49:40 <Samu> a quick testing through most AIs that I use, ChooChoo, CluelessPlus and MailAI can't start 21:50:30 <Samu> isn't there another way to fix it? 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