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00:38:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 00:44:57 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 00:44:57 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 00:46:08 <Samu> @calc 3 * 30 * 74 / (15 - 1) 00:46:08 <DorpsGek> Samu: 475.714285714 00:51:54 *** tokai has quit IRC 00:53:17 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 01:06:40 *** Samu has quit IRC 01:30:50 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 01:49:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 02:10:19 *** glx has quit IRC 03:58:30 *** Snail has quit IRC 03:58:46 *** Knogle has joined #openttd 04:02:16 *** Gja has quit IRC 04:12:02 *** Etherische_Fluister has quit IRC 05:37:16 *** keoz has joined #openttd 05:42:09 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 07:27:22 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 07:33:00 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 08:05:53 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 09:33:09 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 10:43:38 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 10:59:45 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 10:59:59 <Wolf01> Moin 11:08:51 <Wolf01> I'm going mad trying to building a working Walschaerts valve... with lego 11:29:51 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 11:51:29 <argoneus> good morning train friends 11:57:28 <Wolf01> o/ 12:00:43 *** Samu_ has joined #openttd 12:01:01 <Samu_> hi 12:26:34 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 12:27:46 <Samu_> c->months_of_bankruptcy--; 12:28:00 <Samu_> c->months_of_bankruptcy = c->months_of_bankruptcy - 1; 12:28:05 <Samu_> is that the same? 12:28:11 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 12:31:51 <Samu_> i think i'm not doing an afterload conversion 12:33:06 <Samu_> something tells me it's not needed 12:37:33 <Samu_> loading an old save of a company with bankrupt data doesn't know how it was triggered 12:37:52 <goodger> Samu_: yes 12:39:11 <Samu_> but i still got a problem 12:39:37 <Samu_> i'm only counting to 9 now, not 10 12:40:16 <Samu_> if the save got c->months_of_bankruptcy == 8, next month it will bankrupt 12:40:45 <Samu_> while with the original code, it would only bankrupt in 2 months 12:41:06 *** ConductCat has joined #openttd 12:42:33 <Samu_> I wonder... do I really want to reduce the count to 9 12:42:47 <Samu_> or keep it unchanged 12:42:51 <Samu_> count to 10 12:46:46 <Samu_> even if I count to 10, sometimes I gain a month, sometimes I don't, in comparison to the original code 12:47:20 <Samu_> okay, I think I got a tough decision 12:47:30 <Samu_> will keep the count to 10 12:47:33 *** ConductorCat has quit IRC 12:50:20 <Samu_> no save conversion needed that way 12:56:52 *** ConductorCat has joined #openttd 12:57:52 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 13:03:03 *** ConductCat has quit IRC 13:17:02 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 13:29:00 <Samu_> ST2: hi. I decided against the delay we talked about yesterday 13:30:19 <Samu_> ST2: but i still wonder what would be the impact of this change in a real game with human companies competing 13:35:11 *** OsteHovel has quit IRC 13:36:52 *** OsteHovel has joined #openttd 13:40:20 *** Gja has joined #openttd 13:43:56 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:50:17 <Samu_> who's an accountant here? 14:50:35 *** Samu has joined #openttd 14:50:39 *** Samu_ has quit IRC 14:50:55 *** Samu has quit IRC 14:50:58 *** Samu has joined #openttd 15:19:22 <goodger> Samu: I did an A-level in accounting and it seemed to help when I was doing my company's accounts, if that helps 15:19:32 <goodger> what's the question? 15:24:32 *** keoz has quit IRC 15:24:48 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:24:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:25:05 <Samu> question is about what happens first in the real world 15:25:30 <Alberth> everything! 15:25:50 <Milek7_> trying to use real world concepts in openttd is bad idea 15:26:02 <Samu> gah, i need to look at yesterday's log, I asked it yesterday 15:26:06 <Samu> brb 15:27:10 <Samu> http://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd&date=1475712000#1475789676 15:27:57 <Samu> the question is when to include inflation when doing calculations at the start of a month 15:28:05 *** keoz has joined #openttd 15:28:10 <Wolf01> Samu, don't make OTTD too much realistic, there's already andy for that 15:28:29 <Alberth> :O andy is realistic? 15:28:58 <Alberth> o/ btw 15:29:01 <Samu> currently openttd is subtracting money from infrastructure costs before applying inflation 15:29:06 <Wolf01> o/ 15:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody want to buy a transrapid? http://www.vebeg.de/web/de/verkauf/suchen.htm?SHOW_AUS=1643270&SHOW_LOS=1&nolistlink=1 15:29:38 <Samu> then inflation takes place, and only then loan interest and "other" category are subtracted from the company's money 15:29:58 <Samu> I think inflation is in a strange place 15:30:08 <Samu> should be either the first or the last 15:30:37 <Samu> infrastructure costs evades inflation adjustments 15:30:41 <Samu> the others don't 15:31:50 <Milek7_> i always play without inflation 15:34:08 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: is that the lethal transrapid, or one of the others (if applicable)? 15:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the others, i suppose 15:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the damaged one they probably scrapped already 15:39:14 <Wolf01> I think I should leave apart lego and start assembling a real steam engine, it's too much work to make it with plastic which is not so reliable in terms of rigidity 15:39:26 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 15:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause> real steam engine requires lots of paperwork, i'm afraid 15:40:05 <Alberth> depending on size and pressure :) 15:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause> assuming it should be operational, and able to use actual rail tracks :p 15:41:41 <Alberth> it may be easier to join a group where they try to keep old steam engines running 15:41:49 <Samu> Alberth: about yesterday discussion, i also figured it still makes more sense to have bankruptcy check before applying infrastructure costs 15:42:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:42:35 <Samu> because loan interst and "other" subtractions are already being done after bankruptcy checks 15:42:44 <Samu> only infrastructure costs are not 15:42:58 <Alberth> and infrastructure costs are not costs? 15:43:09 <Alberth> ie you don't have to pay those? 15:43:45 <Samu> it is like this: infra costs > check bankruptcy > pay interest + other 15:43:51 <Alberth> but doing an additional check before is fine, my argumentation is mostly against removing the existing check 15:43:54 <Samu> check bankruptcy is in a bad place 15:44:06 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 15:44:13 <Wolf01> Eddi, just 0/S/H0 scale 15:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds fiddly 15:44:34 <Alberth> Samu: doing it later is fine too 15:45:30 <Alberth> but yesterday you moved it to an earlier place rather than a later place 15:46:11 <Eddi|zuHause> for the record: i strongly agree about moving the check 15:46:27 <Alberth> to where? 15:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause> to before the infrastructure is paid 15:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> also, all the other daily/monthly costs 15:47:12 <Samu> what about inflation adjustments? when do they happen? 15:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're positive at the end of the quarter, you should be fine 15:49:09 <Wolf01> Eddi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRGGSr68miQ something like this 15:49:25 <Samu> original code order: infra costs > check bankruptcy > inflation + price adjustments > pay interest + other 15:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: but even that size steam engine should require some paperwork, so it doesn't blow up in your face 15:51:14 <Samu> my proposition order 1: check bankruptcy > infra costs > pay interest + other > inflation + price adjustments 15:51:33 <Samu> my proposition order 2: check bankruptcy > inflation + price adjustments > infra costs > pay interest + other 15:52:50 <Alberth> Eddi: that seems like a fair price to keep Wolf in one piece 15:55:27 <Samu> what would be an accountant's saying on this :o 15:55:33 <Samu> goodger: 16:01:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd 16:07:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 16:37:13 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:42:17 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 16:44:14 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:44:27 <andythenorth> quak 16:52:16 <Alberth> quek 16:55:04 *** keoz has quit IRC 16:59:37 * andythenorth should draw this small engine http://www.railpictures.net/photo/591685/ 16:59:41 <andythenorth> for something 17:01:49 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:01:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:04:07 <Samu> what do i do about inflation? nobody answered t.t 17:07:11 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:07:36 *** Ethereal_Whisper has joined #openttd 17:08:47 <Wolf01> Quak 17:10:27 <Samu> i'm gonna put inflation at the end 17:10:42 <Samu> does someone oppose ? 17:10:46 <Samu> i'm kinda alone on this 17:11:48 <Wolf01> Do it, if somebody else likes it he could compile with your patch 17:12:06 <andythenorth> Samu: http://blog.adrianbolboaca.ro/2012/12/teddy-bear-pair-programming/ 17:12:21 * andythenorth uses irc as the teddy bear 17:12:36 <andythenorth> the actual answers don’t matter, just forming the question 17:12:38 <Alberth> diesel train set :) 17:12:52 <andythenorth> Iron Horse south america 17:13:03 <andythenorth> which was started but not finished :P 17:13:07 <andythenorth> ho 17:13:16 <andythenorth> maybe I should drop the country idea, and match the rosters to climates 17:13:23 <andythenorth> IH temperate 17:14:14 <Wolf01> NRT! (I can't do it because no pc :( it's still hospitalized) 17:14:15 <Alberth> Iron Chilean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_horse 17:16:00 <Wolf01> Iron Chicken 17:20:35 <frosch123> moin 17:25:03 <Samu> hmm 17:25:16 <Samu> screw my logic 17:26:48 <Samu> EXPENSES_LOAN_INT, EXPENSES_OTHER, EXPENSES_PROPERTY are not affected by inflation 17:26:59 <Samu> i should have known this... 17:27:46 <Samu> sorry all 17:31:06 <Samu> i feel like a total idiot now :( 17:32:54 <Samu> with that said, this patch is still valid https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&p=1177621#p1177621 17:33:01 <Samu> no changes needed 17:34:49 <Samu> teddy bear programming that's because sometimes no one says a thing 17:42:56 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:08:43 <Alberth> usually it's because you don't actually expect feedback, it's just talking to yourself to figure something out 18:16:55 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:19:16 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 18:28:38 * andythenorth ponders 18:36:22 <goodger> Samu: not one of those is a reasonable simulation of real-world financial dealings, so the question is kind of meaningless 18:37:33 <Samu> doesn't matter now goodger, sorry 18:38:16 <Samu> I was wrong all this time 18:55:22 <V453000> Omg andythenorth pondering 18:55:27 <V453000> Mayhem imminent 18:55:53 <V453000> Optimizing compile times by 0.3s in progress? :P 18:56:32 <andythenorth> that’s an idea 18:56:44 * andythenorth was pondering watching trainz videos on youtube 18:56:51 <andythenorth> youtube irritates me 18:56:55 <andythenorth> that’s standard, right? 18:57:36 <Wolf01> Yes, standard 18:57:38 <V453000> XD depends on your personified google search tm 18:58:11 <V453000> Youtube doesnt even dare suggest busslshit to me anymore 18:58:28 <V453000> -s +l :D 18:58:50 <andythenorth> I try to never be logged into YT 18:58:53 <andythenorth> hard…because google 18:59:19 <Samu> woah, ggg cared not to implement this into the core game https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1571575/page/1#p12656683 18:59:26 <andythenorth> it recommends me endless ‘epic fail’ videos, because I like watching ‘epic win’ videos 18:59:34 <andythenorth> but I fucking hate epic fail stuff, it’s not funny 18:59:47 <Samu> they saved poe hc, good job ggg 19:00:00 <andythenorth> also it recommends me fuckloads of boat, car and truck crash videos 19:00:03 <andythenorth> where people actually die 19:00:08 <andythenorth> really not wanted 19:01:24 *** rah has left #openttd 19:16:20 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 19:25:18 *** Alberth has left #openttd 19:27:18 <Wolf01> Andy, seen the latest lego ideas set? 19:31:01 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 19:31:12 <andythenorth> fishing house thing? 19:31:23 <Wolf01> Uup 19:31:27 <Wolf01> Yup 19:31:51 <andythenorth> I am just on Eurobricks 19:32:05 <andythenorth> looks nice, but I have enough Lego :) 19:32:12 <Wolf01> I would have liked Johnny5 19:32:27 <andythenorth> Still Alive 20:00:20 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:07:25 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 20:07:44 *** planetmaker has joined #openttd 20:07:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o planetmaker 20:10:40 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 20:21:05 *** Arveen2 has joined #openttd 20:21:05 *** Arveen is now known as Guest1426 20:21:05 *** Arveen2 is now known as Arveen 20:25:34 *** Guest1426 has quit IRC 20:33:04 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:38:47 *** Arveen has quit IRC 20:41:01 *** Myhorta has joined #openttd 20:41:20 <Samu> hmm, there's either a bug with the forum or my browser .... 20:42:45 <Samu> when i select text inside [code] [/code] and then right click, I get a tt-forums.net is not responding error and crashes the tab 20:43:18 *** keoz has joined #openttd 20:45:37 <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=75332 - that green text 20:45:50 <Samu> the config he posted, can't copy it out 20:47:45 <Wolf01> Absolutely no problem with Edge 20:48:15 <Samu> i'm using Edge :( 20:49:34 <Wolf01> Do you have extensions installed? 20:49:55 <Wolf01> Like pocket or whatever 20:50:02 <Samu> strange, only seems to crash when i select some text, but not other 20:50:10 <Wolf01> Lol 20:50:24 <Samu> i guess some extension is crashing me the browser 20:51:05 <Samu> select his ip address in connect to ip, that's where i first tried to copy 20:55:01 <Samu> how do I disable the phone number thing from the browser? I don't have a phone, this is a PC 20:55:20 <ST2> use Firefox?! 20:55:22 <ST2> xD 20:55:35 <Wolf01> Skype maybe 20:55:55 <Samu> i don't have skype, I think, let me check 20:56:11 <Wolf01> Browsers don't have the phone numbers thing by themselves 20:56:50 <Wolf01> It's usually a Skype extension 20:57:15 <Wolf01> Click to call iirc 21:06:10 <Samu> i got the skype preview, just uninstalled it, was that it? 21:06:53 <Wolf01> I think not, I have it too 21:07:40 <Wolf01> Try in the add/remove programs 21:08:28 <Wolf01> Look for anything which contains click to call 21:08:55 *** Myhorta has quit IRC 21:15:38 <Samu> so much stuff that windows shares that I don't even use 21:15:52 <Samu> windows apps, I only use 1 21:15:59 <Samu> the email 21:16:25 <Samu> i have no idea what they mean with sharing my email with other apps, meh... i guess i shouldn't bother 21:17:03 <Wolf01> O_o 21:17:52 *** Samu has quit IRC 21:18:26 <Wolf01> Uninstalled too much 21:18:32 *** Samu has joined #openttd 21:18:43 <Samu> microsoft edge is an app? ... lel 21:18:54 <Samu> microsoft terminology 21:18:56 <Wolf01> Yes it is 21:19:36 <Wolf01> You still have Internet Explorer buried somewhere if you need it 21:20:14 <Wolf01> But Edge is a UWP app 21:20:54 <Milek7_> win10 is unusable 21:21:10 <Wolf01> Bah 21:21:23 <Samu> it's stable 21:21:35 <Milek7_> good joke :) 21:21:37 <Samu> i had more trouble with windows 7 21:21:48 <Samu> while everyone liked windows 7 21:21:53 <ST2> Samu: don't say that close to a bunch of Linux users ^^ 21:22:02 <Samu> ah, sorry 21:22:37 <Milek7_> one day it suddenly stopped recognizing any usb devices, even keyboard 21:23:22 <Milek7_> and even on virtual machine it was so slow and unstable that i installed windows 7 back 21:23:37 <Wolf01> Strange problems can always happen also with other OSes 21:23:46 <Samu> windows 7 virtual machine sucked on my amd 21:23:52 <Samu> but not on intel 21:24:04 <Wolf01> Lol, Windows 10 slow... 21:24:13 <Samu> didn't try a virtual machine on windows 10 yet 21:25:45 <Samu> i had to install some obscure amd provided patch to have virtual machine to actually boot 21:25:55 <Samu> but then it was kinda sluggish 21:26:39 <Samu> and i couldn't use too much virtual memory 21:26:53 <Samu> think i could only use 512 mb 21:27:42 <Samu> windows 7 was not prepared for bulldozer :( 21:27:47 <Milek7_> 1gb is even too little for win xp 21:28:20 <Samu> virtual ram, that is 21:31:06 <Samu> there was some thread affinity issues with some blizzard games, like starcraft 2 21:31:43 <Samu> after insisting with blizzard so much, they finally had a look at it 21:32:16 <Samu> by the time they fixed it, I was already on windows 10, so... meh 21:32:21 <Samu> too late blizzard 21:33:39 <Samu> windows was core parking some bulldozer cores that sc2 was trying to use, resulting in horrid performance drops 21:33:53 <Samu> windows 7* 21:35:26 <Samu> they answered something like they done it like that for compatibility issues with older hyper-threaded core i7's 21:35:31 <Samu> but would take a look 21:37:47 <Milek7_> sad that many games uses directx 21:41:29 <Wolf01> 'night 21:41:35 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:26:36 <sim-al2> It work(ed) 22:34:37 *** ricus has joined #openttd 22:55:46 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:13:19 *** keoz has quit IRC