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00:03:39 *** funnel has joined #openttd 00:07:01 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 00:07:45 *** glx has quit IRC 00:08:18 *** Ethereal_Shiver has joined #openttd 00:08:31 <Ethereal_Shiver> I'm playing OpenTTD in class instead of paying attention 00:08:32 <Ethereal_Shiver> XD 00:12:05 *** Lejving_ has joined #openttd 00:16:21 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 00:18:46 *** Lejving has quit IRC 00:33:16 *** Milek7 has quit IRC 00:33:17 *** Milek7 has joined #openttd 00:50:56 *** czaks has quit IRC 00:50:57 *** czaks has joined #openttd 00:52:02 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 01:11:08 *** Tharbakim has quit IRC 01:17:38 *** Flygon_ has quit IRC 01:18:56 <womble> It's called "doing homework for my logistics class" 01:21:02 *** m1cr0man has quit IRC 01:21:13 *** m1cr0man has joined #openttd 01:21:27 <Ethereal_Shiver> Lol womble 01:23:41 *** heffer has quit IRC 01:23:41 *** heffer_ has joined #openttd 01:29:18 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:36:02 *** dpk has quit IRC 01:36:05 *** dpk has joined #openttd 01:42:29 *** Tharbakim has joined #openttd 01:49:16 *** Ram-Z has quit IRC 01:49:57 *** Ram-Z has joined #openttd 02:00:02 *** V453000 has quit IRC 02:00:16 *** V453000 has joined #openttd 02:14:45 *** greeter has quit IRC 02:49:14 *** supermop_ has joined #openttd 03:06:30 *** Ethereal_Shiver has quit IRC 03:09:02 *** Sirenia has quit IRC 03:14:18 *** Sirenia has joined #openttd 04:12:44 *** supermop_ has quit IRC 04:47:15 *** Paranoid_Princess has joined #openttd 04:55:22 *** Paranoid_Princess has quit IRC 04:55:56 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest3405 04:55:57 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 05:00:56 *** Guest3405 has quit IRC 05:57:59 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 06:21:06 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 06:21:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 07:05:54 *** Sova has joined #openttd 07:30:04 <Ethereal_Whisper> http://i.imgur.com/YKsj3nE.png gnarly rail yard, eh? 07:59:25 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 08:00:13 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 08:02:10 *** Lejving_ is now known as Lejving 08:14:05 <Alberth> bit empty, for the amount of track :) 08:15:12 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 08:15:48 <Alberth> why do you have such short platforms? wouldn't longer trains be more efficient here? 08:30:06 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 09:27:23 *** Gja has joined #openttd 09:42:34 *** roidal has joined #openttd 09:56:42 *** Gja has quit IRC 09:59:45 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 10:01:15 *** Fuco_ has joined #openttd 10:01:15 *** Fuco has quit IRC 10:06:41 *** Fuco_ has quit IRC 10:09:33 *** Sova has quit IRC 10:11:49 *** Fuco has joined #openttd 10:26:31 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 10:27:44 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 10:28:01 *** Sova has joined #openttd 10:36:01 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 10:36:35 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 10:36:43 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 10:37:00 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 10:39:36 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 10:40:57 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 10:53:51 <Alberth> o/ 10:57:06 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 10:58:42 *** tokai has joined #openttd 10:58:42 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 10:59:18 *** wCPO has joined #openttd 11:05:26 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 11:09:06 <Wolf01> o/ 11:38:36 <Alberth> bbl 11:38:38 *** Alberth has left #openttd 12:08:28 *** zeta has quit IRC 12:09:00 *** zeta has joined #openttd 12:30:24 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 12:35:04 *** zeknurn has quit IRC 12:40:08 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 12:46:23 *** zeknurn has joined #openttd 12:56:56 *** Myhorta has joined #openttd 12:57:50 *** Sova has quit IRC 13:12:44 *** wCPO has quit IRC 13:13:30 *** greeter has joined #openttd 13:38:32 <supermop> yo 13:41:51 *** APTX has quit IRC 13:41:56 *** Milek7 has quit IRC 13:43:04 *** Milek7 has joined #openttd 13:44:07 *** APTX has joined #openttd 13:56:01 <Ethereal_Whisper> I had a question about MSH's 13:56:43 <Ethereal_Whisper> So let's say that as usual the MSH is a 3-way T junction. You have traffic coming east and west and both turning to the north, towards the station 13:57:08 <Ethereal_Whisper> Is there any reason to prioritize traffic coming in from one direction when the two directions form the MSL? 13:58:27 <Ethereal_Whisper> So let's say that as usual the MSH is a 3-way T junction. You have traffic coming east and west and both turning to the north, towards the station 13:58:31 <Ethereal_Whisper> Oops 13:58:54 <Ethereal_Whisper> Here's my example http://i.imgur.com/Wqg4sDO.png 13:59:28 <Ethereal_Whisper> MSL entering station is eastbound, I have traffic coming in from the north and the south (well I will eventually, I'm in the planning stage of the network and designing this MSH 14:00:11 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:05:05 <Wolf01> I think you still keep doing the same errors 14:05:57 <Ethereal_Whisper> What did I do this time 14:06:02 *** gelignite has quit IRC 14:06:13 <Wolf01> Read it as "overcomplicate junctions with priorities and too many trains" 14:06:36 <Wolf01> I don't get 50 trains in an entire game 14:06:45 <Wolf01> And still make huge profits 14:09:54 <Ethereal_Whisper> I think my record for number of trains in one game was about 1,200 on a 512x512 map 14:10:09 <Ethereal_Whisper> That was the first game I played where I learned how to build quad track mainlines 14:11:42 <Wolf01> I do that too, but only from the station up to the first junction when I have about half of trains on each line 14:16:58 <Wolf01> V453000, how do you download more than one mod? 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14:55:17 <Ethereal_Whisper> o/ 14:56:01 <Alberth> mostly needing some coffee now 14:59:01 *** wCPO has joined #openttd 15:08:33 <supermop> me too 15:20:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:32:08 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 15:39:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd 15:44:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 15:44:53 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 15:49:19 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 15:52:04 *** Knogle has joined #openttd 15:59:40 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 16:08:18 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:08:41 *** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd 16:13:04 *** _dp_ has quit IRC 16:13:06 *** dP has joined #openttd 16:13:09 *** dP is now known as _dp_ 16:13:49 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 16:18:38 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:18:48 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 16:20:09 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 16:20:14 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 16:32:39 <Ethereal_Whisper> I love it when I accidentally place a backwards signal and my trains head down a random sideline 16:33:32 <Eddi|zuHause> is that better or worse than forgetting a random piece of electrification? 16:34:02 <Ethereal_Whisper> Tiny bit better I'd think... at least in my case, my trains will make it to their destination... eventually. 16:34:23 <Ethereal_Whisper> ;Although depending on circumstance, yours might too, they just might take a convoluted route 16:34:43 <Wolf01> And you never played with pipelines, you can't even see what kind of signal you placed 16:39:20 <supermop> easier to just not use signals with pipe 16:39:44 <supermop> and have relay points 16:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i still think these "pipes" made all the wrong choices... 16:40:23 <Wolf01> Yes, they need to be done with RoadTypes 16:40:37 <supermop> at least as just a standalone newgrf theey don't impinge on a future pipe working better 16:40:50 <supermop> Wolf01: pipes should be one way only 16:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> there are certainly two-way pipes 16:41:31 <supermop> and not based on a current waytype 16:41:55 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: not at the same time unless its two pipes 16:43:09 <supermop> one advantage of a pipe from oil well to terminal is you don't need an empty return pipe, the way you'd need to send empty tanker cars 16:43:40 <supermop> and if two points do need to send liquids in both directions, you should build two pipes 16:44:33 <Wolf01> Agreed, but there's no teleport in OTTD yet 16:45:16 <supermop> pipes, conveyors, bucketlines, logflumes, etc where cargo is carried continuously by the infrastructure should work in that way 16:51:01 <supermop> basically there is no existing mechanic in the game that would approximate it 16:54:54 <supermop> other than some kind of 'pump' in the form of a magic depot that constantly spawns units of carrying capacity at a certain rate, which behave like road vehicles with no orders, picking up cargo where it is waiting, dropping it where accepted, and blindly following the available path forward 16:56:13 <Wolf01> Buy vehicle, cost 1$ -> move per day -> Sell, do this automagically between 2 depots and is done 16:56:39 <Wolf01> Using RoadTypes so cargo could pile up in the line 16:56:39 *** ConductorCat has quit IRC 16:57:00 *** ConductorCat has joined #openttd 16:57:07 <Wolf01> And vehicle can carry 1 unit of cargo 16:57:37 <Wolf01> In case of fluids, 1x100 litres barrel 16:57:58 <Wolf01> Or even less 17:02:29 <Wolf01> http://www.pcgamer.com/civilization-6-mod-adds-giant-earth-map/ nice 17:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen the term "4X" all over the place lately, but nobody could explain to me what it means 17:08:49 <Wolf01> expand explore exwhatever... 17:09:48 <Wolf01> "eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, and eXterminate" 17:11:40 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:11:44 <Wolf01> Quak 17:14:07 <frosch123> when a bug fix for station walking? 17:15:11 <Wolf01> Never 17:15:59 <Wolf01> Qhat does it need to fix? 17:16:03 <Wolf01> *what 17:16:07 <frosch123> no idea 17:16:23 <frosch123> i just quoted a mail, though i replaced a screenshot with a noun 17:16:45 *** Progman has quit IRC 17:16:56 <Wolf01> Answer: "it's by design" 17:17:10 <Wolf01> "You can even do it with less effort using ctrl" 17:18:14 <Wolf01> The catchement area maybe could be fixed, as now it's a huge exploit 17:19:03 <goodger> I would like to share this off-topic photo because I liked it, my apologies in advance http://imgur.com/LGYwgl6 17:19:47 <Wolf01> Autumn? 17:20:19 <goodger> it happens every year, Wolf01 17:20:35 <goodger> twice if you move between hemispheres 17:21:26 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:33:26 *** sla_ro|master2 has quit IRC 17:37:06 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 17:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause> BAD FEATURE! 17:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> (where "BAD" stands for "Broken As Designed") 17:46:36 <supermop> BADASS FEATURE 17:46:56 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: but that means you could avoid it entirely by that method 17:48:27 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: it does, but who wants to get hayfever twice? 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I still have the Mini MISB 18:56:28 <andythenorth> boring Eurobricks is boring today 18:56:57 <andythenorth> is forums? 18:56:59 * andythenorth looks 18:57:09 <Alberth> not much 18:57:26 <andythenorth> V453000: YOU MUST BUY SURFACE 18:57:31 <andythenorth> HAS BEEN DECLARED COOL 18:57:44 <andythenorth> DRAW ALL TRAINS IN SURFACE 18:58:03 <andythenorth> forums not much 18:58:03 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aPM4Wdq_460sv.mp4 <------ 18:58:16 <andythenorth> is that what V453000 looks like? :o 19:00:09 <Wolf01> Totally 19:02:17 <Wolf01> andythenorth, new cargo, wind turbine blades? 19:02:18 <Wolf01> http://imgur.com/gallery/BR0EQhC 19:02:34 <andythenorth> that was going to be a FIRS thing 19:02:38 <andythenorth> ‘build a wind farm' 19:02:42 <andythenorth> but eh, nah 19:05:20 <andythenorth> straw poll 19:05:25 <andythenorth> who has 32GB RAM? 19:05:35 <andythenorth> apparently it’s now pretty much mandatory 19:06:00 <Wolf01> 16 here 19:06:12 *** Progman has joined #openttd 19:06:16 <Alberth> I have 16GB too 19:07:40 * andythenorth 16GB 19:07:46 * andythenorth reading mac forums, which are weird 19:08:06 <andythenorth> apparently lack of 32GB Macbook Pro means Apple is dead and the stock will now tank 19:08:35 <andythenorth> weird people who buy a computer in closed ecosystem, from a vendor who is known to be ruthless 19:08:38 <andythenorth> and then they whine about it 19:11:24 <frosch123> computers are dead :) 19:11:42 <andythenorth> have been forever 19:11:56 <frosch123> anyway, the "easy stats" are indeed the same when comparing 2010 and 2016 19:12:03 <Wolf01> Computers are dead until you need a new one 19:12:07 <frosch123> same number of cores, same amount of memory 19:12:38 <Alberth> you're not supposed to do more complex things nowadays 19:12:54 <frosch123> ssd are bigger, and multi-display is more common, but that's about it 19:16:32 * andythenorth wonders how people are still managing to need more than 16GB frequently 19:16:36 <andythenorth> on a laptop 19:17:21 <Wolf01> http://imgur.com/gallery/7rP7q5r nice accident 19:17:52 <andythenorth> could have been brutal :o 19:18:21 <Wolf01> Proven that Balrog's whip can't cut steel beams 19:18:55 <Wolf01> Can't cut Gandalf's leg too 19:18:56 <andythenorth> the number of times I have found that my computer is slow because it’s in swap…. 19:19:15 <Wolf01> How the fuck do you even manage to swap with 16GB? 19:19:18 <andythenorth> yeah never 19:19:36 <andythenorth> maybe running multiple Windows VMs 19:19:39 <andythenorth> but not noticeably 19:19:43 <frosch123> i have that issue on an 8gb machine regulary :) 19:19:48 <andythenorth> plus…err SSD with SATA 3 or something 19:20:04 <Wolf01> I did... memory leak on my game 2 days ago, tried to allocate 40GB in 6 seconds 19:20:31 <andythenorth> numpty on forum complains “I have to restart my mac every 2-3 days because it’s out of memory” 19:20:38 <andythenorth> err, no, restart Firefox :P 19:20:49 <frosch123> though i never quite figured out the point of swapping 19:20:57 <frosch123> once the swapping starts the machine is useless 19:20:59 <andythenorth> as usual, reading the wrong forum causes andythenorth rant 19:21:15 <Wolf01> :D 19:21:59 <frosch123> andythenorth: that is definitely a reason to buy more memory 19:22:08 <frosch123> so it only runs out after 10 days 19:23:00 <andythenorth> yup 19:23:33 <frosch123> btw. what are apple updates like? 19:23:40 <andythenorth> OS ones? Or hardware? 19:23:51 <frosch123> are they like windows with at least one 1 reboot, sometimes 2, or even 3? 19:24:01 <andythenorth> they are very variable 19:24:03 <frosch123> or are they like linux, reboot only if kernel updates 19:24:13 <andythenorth> usually only reboot for kernel or similar 19:24:19 <andythenorth> but they can be sketchy 19:24:29 <andythenorth> I installed one on Tuesday that bricked my mac 19:24:47 <andythenorth> and that is not rare enough 19:25:14 <andythenorth> 7 hours faffing with backups 19:25:20 <andythenorth> waste of time 19:25:24 <frosch123> i thought that only happens with smartphones :) 19:25:39 <andythenorth> if only 19:26:22 * andythenorth wonders what the mac fans expected in a new laptop 19:26:25 <andythenorth> they all seem very sad 19:26:35 <Wolf01> Longer power cord? 19:26:52 <andythenorth> power cord with emojis? 19:28:37 * andythenorth would have settled for (a) same or longer battery life, not shorter (b) no 20% price hike 19:28:53 <Wolf01> To not pay for standard features as accessories? 19:29:05 <Wolf01> Oh, my bad, that's Apple motto: less is more 19:29:52 <frosch123> do laptop batteries also burn regulary? or is that only a smartphone thing? 19:30:37 <frosch123> also, are tablets finally dead? or did someone find some use? 19:31:13 <Alberth> maybe it's a function where the chance increases as the laptop approaches smartphone size? 19:31:54 <frosch123> also do laptops still have cd drives? 19:32:00 <andythenorth> tablets are for entertaining children 19:32:16 <andythenorth> and for grandparents 19:32:16 <frosch123> interesting point 19:32:39 <Wolf01> Children and people which don't need a pc to do the same things 19:32:41 <frosch123> can we have some outdoor tablet then? 19:32:50 <frosch123> sandbox safe? 19:33:03 <andythenorth> must be one 19:33:18 <frosch123> Wolf01: i thought that's what a ps4 is for 19:33:19 <andythenorth> ipad is surprisingly robust 19:33:27 <andythenorth> in a good case 19:33:45 <andythenorth> we have one that’s been outside, on planes, by the pool, in bed, thrown down the stairs, dropped etc 19:34:00 <andythenorth> slept on, trodden on, fought over 19:34:44 <andythenorth> ho 19:35:29 <Alberth> ipad test center :) 19:35:39 <andythenorth> apparently if Jobs was still alive, the new Macbook would *definitely* have been two sheets of glass, both displays, but with a full keyboard with real clicky keys, every kind of port, 64GB, a desktop class GPU, 10 hour battery life and a 5K display 19:35:48 <andythenorth> for the same price as the previous model 19:36:46 <andythenorth> all “I’ve been using macs for 30 years and now I’m seriously considering switching” people 19:36:47 <frosch123> "every kind of port" is interesting, given that all of Jobs has always been "minimalism" 19:37:24 <andythenorth> http://www.lugnet.com/general/~1285/traumaticevents 19:39:11 <frosch123> i think i read that some years ago 19:39:11 <andythenorth> still, it’s not all gloom and doom: https://twitter.com/qrs/status/791706948588756992 19:39:16 <frosch123> probably also from this chanel :) 19:39:36 <andythenorth> new mac charges via the thunderbolt port 19:39:39 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 19:39:43 <andythenorth> exploits galore 19:40:04 <andythenorth> in principle, you can no longer trust mains electricity 19:40:24 <andythenorth> proper tinfoil hat land 19:45:40 <Wolf01> Ha! 19:46:56 <supermop> haha 19:48:40 <Wolf01> BTW, full Surface Studio video https://youtu.be/BzMLA8YIgG0 19:52:45 <frosch123> doesn't look like paintbrush 19:53:11 <andythenorth> I don’t think it will fit in my bag 19:53:30 <andythenorth> how much battery life? 19:53:44 <Wolf01> I don't think is battery powered 19:55:03 * andythenorth wonders why the mac people are comparing the price of it to macbooks 19:55:04 <frosch123> is it cloud powered? and does it transfer the rights of what you draw to ms? 19:55:40 <Wolf01> Win 10 does that already, no need for new hardware 19:55:44 <andythenorth> how long is the battery life on a cloud? 19:57:47 <frosch123> andythenorth: maybe they are comparing the keyboard of the two 19:58:10 <frosch123> i mean that surface thing does not look like it has an ESC key 19:59:10 <frosch123> though, given that we are back to one input device again, maybe we will regain a scroll lock :p 19:59:12 <Wolf01> Bluetooth keyboard, also you don't even need a keyboard with windows 19:59:22 <andythenorth> frosch123: innovation :) 19:59:50 <frosch123> Wolf01: windows is responsible for at least 3 completely useless keys 20:00:23 <Wolf01> Scroll lock, context menu and? 20:00:30 <frosch123> that is 3 out of the top 5 completely useless keys 20:00:50 <frosch123> 2xwin, context, scroll lock, pause 20:00:57 * andythenorth wonders what these idiots actually want :) 20:01:05 <andythenorth> they don’t like tablets 20:01:08 <andythenorth> nvm 20:01:08 <frosch123> "print screen" has a usecase as hotkey for launching a single program 20:01:29 <Wolf01> I even found a way to use scroll lock on MS softwares 20:01:31 <frosch123> (though it is kind of specific) 20:01:36 <Wolf01> I don't remember what 20:01:57 <Wolf01> Win+Pause takes screenshots now 20:02:47 <frosch123> oh, i forgot caps lock in the list 20:03:09 <frosch123> though maybe that one is more annoying than useless :p 20:03:19 <andythenorth> mine still has a little green light in it :) 20:03:40 <andythenorth> must be an actual LED under there 20:06:10 <andythenorth> I will have to get a USB escape key if I get the new mac 20:07:46 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 20:07:51 <frosch123> you could map caps lock to esc 20:07:59 <frosch123> that may also make vi useful again 20:08:13 <frosch123> same keyboard layout as it was developed for 20:08:45 *** roidal_ has joined #openttd 20:08:58 <frosch123> yeah, that must be it. the new mac is for optimising vi usage 20:09:14 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/azrEbAK_460s_v1.jpg this one? 20:09:29 <andythenorth> yes 20:09:34 <andythenorth> for mac and surface users 20:09:47 <andythenorth> wow 20:10:01 <andythenorth> I have stumbled into a forum where “Apple is dead because they have stopped making monitors" 20:10:02 <Wolf01> You don't need the ESC key on windows 20:10:16 <andythenorth> what kind of numpty ever bought an Apple display :o 20:10:19 <Wolf01> I only use it to exit my game 20:10:52 <frosch123> andythenorth: for some time they were the only ones building 30 inch screens 20:11:04 <andythenorth> about 15 years ago :) 20:11:12 <andythenorth> when even windows users bought them 20:12:05 * andythenorth uses ESC all the time in OpenTTD, but can’t remember why 20:12:24 <frosch123> to deselct the curren tool 20:12:32 <frosch123> in f it's q though 20:12:38 <frosch123> f doesn't use esc 20:14:13 * andythenorth wonders if a £200 premium over old model is worth it for fingerprint ID 20:14:28 <andythenorth> I have to use a password with 44 bits of entropy…because infosec 20:14:40 <andythenorth> and I have to lock laptop if unattended, even briefly, anywhere 20:14:45 *** roidal_ has quit IRC 20:15:01 <andythenorth> I usually type it wrong, and I type it tens of times per day :P 20:15:36 *** roidal has quit IRC 20:17:31 <Wolf01> They should make 2 versions of ISO 27001, the lite one for companies which don't have governative secrets or manage users bank accounts or medical data, and the current one for where you need max security 20:18:26 <andythenorth> you can choose to not apply control 20:18:27 <andythenorth> controls * 20:18:35 <Wolf01> Which is bad 20:18:39 <andythenorth> you just have to have a risk profile 20:18:44 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:18:50 <andythenorth> dunno, there’s this standard in the UK called Cyber Essentials 20:18:58 <andythenorth> which is supposed to be like ISO 27001 Lite 20:19:03 <andythenorth> and is mosly terrible 20:20:33 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:22:53 <Wolf01> Sometimes security is strange, like with PPE, my mother does blood samples and need to use gloves. Usually you don't even get in contact with the person blood, but it might happen that the person moves and the needle slips, and YOU get punctured, gloves or not. 20:27:49 <andythenorth> can’t mitigate all risks :) 20:28:33 <andythenorth> probably can mitigate needlestick, with the right needles 20:28:36 <andythenorth> but expense... 20:31:47 <Wolf01> Nah, just sedate the patient so he can't move 20:38:04 <andythenorth> mmm sedation 20:38:10 <andythenorth> sedation is good 20:38:19 * andythenorth should go to bed 20:38:30 <Wolf01> Me too 20:38:49 <Wolf01> But I'll go 3 hours later 20:40:33 * andythenorth learns about USB-C and USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt 20:47:11 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 20:54:26 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 20:55:00 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:15:43 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 21:23:41 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:35:30 *** Youbi has joined #openttd 21:37:23 *** Youbi has joined #openttd 21:37:27 <Youbi> Hello! I’m trying to run openttd (built from nightly). But it claims that I miss a graphics set. 21:37:46 <Youbi> So I built OpenGFX, and put the resulting tar archive in my ~/.openttd/baseset dir 21:39:15 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:39:16 <Youbi> And now, when I run openttd, it still claims that I miss a graphics set, but before that, it tells me that there is : 21:39:18 <Youbi> No MD5 checksum specified for: ogfx1_base.grf 21:39:33 <Youbi> How can I specify the checksum for that file? 21:41:29 <Youbi> Should I build OpenGFX from it’s latest source revision? 21:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause> you didn't copy the .obg file 21:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause> or it didn't generate properly 21:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe try downloading the already-made file? 21:47:23 <Youbi> Eddi|zuHause: it works! 21:47:29 <Youbi> I tried the already-made file. 21:47:58 <Youbi> I was stupid, I thought that it wouldn’t run because I’m on a libmusl based system. But there is nothing to do with it. 21:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the .grf files are universal for all platforms 21:49:40 <Youbi> \o/ 21:49:46 <Youbi> Thank for your help :) 22:08:50 *** efess has joined #openttd 22:13:01 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:50:42 *** Youbi has quit IRC 23:16:31 <Wolf01> 'night 23:16:34 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:16:41 *** Gja has quit IRC 23:30:48 *** Supercheese has quit IRC