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The current time is 14.11.2016 11:18. 09:19:20 <peter1138> only just expired heh 09:22:11 <V453000> gg 09:25:32 *** Jinassi has quit IRC 09:44:26 *** Lejving_ is now known as Lejving 11:11:27 *** Sova has quit IRC 11:29:25 *** Sova has joined #openttd 12:23:43 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 12:40:42 *** Flygon has quit IRC 12:52:20 *** Fatmice has quit IRC 12:55:56 *** leave has joined #openttd 12:56:01 <leave> hi there 12:56:37 <leave> need help with changing font on mac, openttd 1.6.1 installed via brew 12:57:30 <leave> setting the following in .cfg, misc sections apparently has no effect 12:58:01 <leave> small_font = /Library/Fonts/Tahoma.ttf 12:58:01 <leave> medium_font = /Library/Fonts/Tahoma.ttf 12:58:03 <leave> large_font = /Library/Fonts/Tahoma.ttf 12:58:21 <leave> mono_font = /Library/Fonts/PTMono.ttc 12:59:27 <leave> UI font remains the default one, and changing the language to e.g. Russian results in an error about missing chars 13:00:42 <leave> I already tried specifying the font with and w/o full path, playing with different fonts - no luck 13:01:50 <leave> there're no errors regarding fonts loading neither when launching from console, nor while debugging (-d misc=1) 13:03:41 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 13:37:23 *** leave has quit IRC 13:37:56 *** leave has joined #openttd 13:59:25 *** leave has quit IRC 14:02:19 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 14:04:10 *** leave has joined #openttd 14:10:54 <leave> so, no ideas? :( 14:20:10 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 14:22:13 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 14:24:25 <leave> apparently font loading on Mac is broken 14:29:33 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 14:33:34 *** Sirenia has joined #openttd 14:49:27 *** Sova has quit IRC 15:05:11 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 15:09:51 *** jackyf has joined #openttd 15:10:45 *** jackyf has quit IRC 15:11:05 *** jackyf has joined #openttd 15:23:56 *** roidal has joined #openttd 15:26:14 <supermop> yo 15:49:57 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 15:50:12 *** tokai has joined #openttd 15:50:12 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 15:57:15 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 16:20:49 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:21:02 <andythenorth> in soviet russia, FIRS tractor plant is playing you 16:21:36 *** keoz has joined #openttd 16:29:16 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:43:42 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:48:03 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 16:48:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 16:48:10 <Alberth> o/ 16:48:26 *** ricus has quit IRC 16:49:35 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 17:00:51 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 17:01:00 <andythenorth_> o/ 17:01:07 <Alberth> o/ 17:01:51 <andythenorth_> Potatos in Arctic? 17:02:01 <andythenorth_> make vodka 17:02:39 <Alberth> hmm, how would you grow anything there :p 17:03:04 <andythenorth_> Below snowline eh? :) 17:03:32 <Alberth> ah, I was thinking north pole-ish :) 17:03:39 <Alberth> fair enough :) 17:04:24 <Alberth> coal to houses :) 17:04:48 <andythenorth_> I found notes 17:05:06 <Alberth> good ones? 17:05:08 <andythenorth_> Me and Dan planned 'pacific NW' economy 17:05:22 <supermop> salmon 17:05:24 <andythenorth_> 20 or so diverse well balanced cargos 17:05:26 <Alberth> sounds nice 17:05:45 <Alberth> small island-ish map 17:05:57 <andythenorth_> Sidesteps this scandinavian shenanigan :p 17:06:08 <Alberth> like greece with its islands 17:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause> do a pre-orgegon-trail economy and a post-oregon-trail economy? 17:09:59 <andythenorth_> :p 17:10:11 <andythenorth_> More historicism :) 17:11:56 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: gold kind of boring 17:12:16 <andythenorth_> The idea of farms->food was a bit boring in basic arctic 17:12:31 <Alberth> that's what you get with these realistic-ish years that we use :) 17:12:35 <andythenorth_> What agricultural cargos say 'arctic'? 17:12:44 <supermop> rye 17:12:45 <andythenorth_> Turnips? 17:12:54 <supermop> reindeer 17:12:56 <Alberth> vodka sounds good :) 17:13:00 <andythenorth_> Seal 17:13:01 <supermop> carribou 17:13:06 <supermop> salmon 17:13:19 <andythenorth_> Lemming 17:13:20 <Lejving> can matt damon grow potatoes on mars we can grow potatoes in the arctic 17:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: that's because gold mine is usually treated as a primary industry... but if instead it's at the end of a long supply chain, it might be different 17:13:33 <andythenorth_> Eddi expand on gold? 17:13:50 <andythenorth_> I am considering gold currently 17:14:01 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: 'miners' town' or something maybe 17:14:09 <Alberth> needs explosives, stone removal 17:14:26 <andythenorth_> Explosives seem scandinavian 17:14:34 <supermop> where prospectors buy their supplies and equipment 17:15:13 <supermop> bring them pans, jeans, beef jerky 17:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth_: i don't really have much to expand on at this moment 17:15:20 <Alberth> perhaps chemcials for finding the gold 17:15:33 <andythenorth_> Is it all just ensp? 17:15:43 <andythenorth_> Where does gold go? 17:15:46 <supermop> Alberth: modern prospectors buy heavy speciallized sluicers 17:15:47 <Alberth> could be 17:16:01 <Alberth> bank, would be my guess 17:16:34 <supermop> but a year's worth of gold from a big mechanized claim is still like enough to fill a milk bottle at most 17:16:58 <supermop> gold mine can be blackhole 17:16:59 <Alberth> heavy bottle :p 17:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth_: the main point is that gold mine should work more like a secondary industry, taking input cargos and spitting out gold 17:17:06 <supermop> like a builder's yard 17:17:20 <supermop> miners, equipment, food, etc needed 17:18:00 <supermop> Alberth: they dont do hard rock mining in Alaska and oregon 17:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i can also imagine an economy without any primary industries, only people that are needed to start producing any cargo at all 17:18:44 <supermop> mostly dredging, river panning, digging alluvial soil and sifting it 17:18:52 <Eddi|zuHause> then tools and machines and stuff are used to boost production 17:19:08 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: that makes sense for Alaska and mountain west 17:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so send 8 people to mine => 2 ore, send 8 people and 8 tools to mine => 8 ore, send 8 people and 8 tools and 8 machines to mine => 24 ore 17:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> basically the FIRS secondary industry behaviour 17:20:52 <Alberth> who cares what they do in some country, from a game play point of view, more kinds of transport are better 17:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause> potentially return the 8 people :p 17:21:41 <Alberth> not confused with SPI? :) 17:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really know SPI 17:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause> but the point here would be that you can't just plop down a coal route to start 17:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you must start with passengers 17:22:44 <Eddi|zuHause> because no industry is producing anything on its own 17:22:46 *** behalebabo has quit IRC 17:23:03 <andythenorth_> I think low quantity cargos _could_ be more interesting sonehow 17:24:10 <Alberth> a sort-of "must provide this" cargo? 17:24:26 *** behalebabo has joined #openttd 17:24:33 <andythenorth_> Maybe 17:24:57 <Alberth> breaks the idea of firs somewhat in always producing stuff everywhere 17:25:08 <andythenorth_> Probably just delivering to trading posts is enough 17:25:31 <andythenorth_> As long as it's unit is kg, not t :p 17:25:33 <Alberth> or maybe small quantity but high profit 17:26:08 <andythenorth_> So food for arctic only gets silly suggestions? :) 17:27:01 <Alberth> import of meat? 17:27:32 <Alberth> wine? 17:27:51 <Alberth> anti-freeze :p 17:29:42 <andythenorth_> produce alcohol? 17:29:54 <andythenorth_> All economies seem to have alcohol :p 17:29:54 <Alberth> sure 17:29:58 <andythenorth_> And fish 17:30:09 <andythenorth_> Seems to be essential 17:30:11 <Alberth> fish is reasonable too 17:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth_: just declare low units as "bags" or something 17:30:37 <Alberth> bottle :) 17:30:46 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 17:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> NewGRF can define the weight of a unit in 1/16 t steps, i think 17:31:07 <andythenorth_> Pax, mail, goods, fish, food, alcohol, chemicals, ensp and fmsp all seem to be essentials 17:31:55 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing preventing you from diversifying ENSP and FMSP in some economy 17:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause> so a secondary-industry-style farm would accept passengers, fertilizer and machines 17:35:46 <V453000> are pictures on tt-f fucked? 17:37:35 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> allegedly there were certificate troubles earlier. probably somebody overlooked something 17:43:07 *** Lejving has quit IRC 17:45:11 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:45:26 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:50:07 *** leave has quit IRC 17:58:30 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:58:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:00:07 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 18:09:58 <andythenorth> grain, potatos -> alcohol 18:12:19 <V453000> alcohol -> solution 18:13:03 <andythenorth> gold -> alcohol? 18:13:04 <andythenorth> hmm 18:13:14 <andythenorth> no the game is about transport, not what you buy with the cargo :P 18:13:31 *** srhnsn has joined #openttd 18:13:40 <andythenorth> gold -> trading post -> alcohol -> gold mine 18:15:44 <V453000> nice 18:16:04 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds a bit silly 18:22:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 18:22:34 <Alberth> you need alcohol for mining gold? :o 18:22:57 <V453000> obviously 18:23:25 <Alberth> euhm, ok, it makes money, so why not :) 18:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> only a drunk person would have the idea that digging the gold out by himself would be making money 18:24:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to be higher up in the chain to make actual money 18:26:38 <andythenorth> shovel merchant 18:27:05 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 18:31:40 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 18:37:15 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 18:40:21 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 18:40:24 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 18:40:29 *** evros has joined #openttd 18:41:01 *** aard has joined #openttd 18:42:02 *** roidal has quit IRC 18:48:09 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:49:07 *** Lejving has joined #openttd 19:06:40 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 19:15:17 <andythenorth> chemicals -> explosives? 19:21:43 <andythenorth> trade is weird 19:21:52 <andythenorth> finland imported 2m of tyres 19:21:56 <andythenorth> and exported 3m 19:22:06 <Supercheese> Now they're tyred of it? 19:22:08 * andythenorth is not surprised, but it’s untidy :P 19:22:45 <andythenorth> http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/fin/ 19:22:50 <andythenorth> quite addictive 19:22:55 <andythenorth> “glazier’s putty” 19:24:15 *** Warrigal has joined #openttd 19:30:38 <Wolf01> o/ 19:33:40 <andythenorth> lo Wolf01 19:34:59 <Wolf01> I could get a new job as cpu socket pin rectifier 19:35:37 <andythenorth> wiggle it 19:36:08 <supermop> andythenorth: maybe they were doing tyre arbitrage? 19:36:16 <andythenorth> maybe 19:36:21 <andythenorth> maybe they were tyre futures 19:37:16 *** digdug has joined #openttd 19:54:42 <andythenorth> herp 19:54:50 <andythenorth> Arctic Basic has grown to 25 cargos :P 19:54:56 <andythenorth> that is not a good development 19:55:47 <V453000> jesus fuck 19:55:54 <V453000> he will be reducing cargoes within a year 19:56:00 <V453000> I call it 19:56:06 <andythenorth> take a bet 19:56:19 <andythenorth> I was trying to remove 2 cargos 19:56:23 <andythenorth> and I’ve added 4 :( 19:56:45 <Wolf01> http://xkcd.com/1759/ lol 19:56:46 <andythenorth> I must be Doing It Wrong 19:57:05 <andythenorth> lawks 19:57:14 <andythenorth> Oxford is acurate 19:57:38 *** digdug has quit IRC 20:30:49 *** Myhorta has joined #openttd 20:34:47 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I pulled and built your branch btw :) 20:35:02 <Wolf01> ;) 20:37:17 <andythenorth> FIRS is hard 20:37:24 <andythenorth> with 10 mandatory universal cargos 20:37:36 <andythenorth> there is not much room in basic economies for other cargos :P 20:38:43 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:44:11 *** evros has quit IRC 20:50:14 *** aard has quit IRC 20:50:56 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:59:29 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 21:05:21 *** Supercheese has left #openttd 21:19:22 *** fonso has quit IRC 21:19:44 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttd 21:21:45 *** Arveen has quit IRC 21:24:45 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:24:55 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 21:26:36 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 21:26:37 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 21:40:37 *** behalebabo has quit IRC 21:42:48 *** behalebabo has joined #openttd 21:45:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 21:46:43 *** jackyf has quit IRC 22:05:20 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:20:28 *** srhnsn has quit IRC 22:45:10 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 23:01:30 *** gelignite has quit IRC 23:03:05 *** ricus has joined #openttd 23:13:10 *** keoz has quit IRC 23:13:40 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 23:14:00 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 23:21:22 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 23:47:16 <Wolf01> https://mods.factorio.com/mods/LordKiwi/rail-icons lol... we needed a mod for this... too bad I already started a new game 23:47:43 <Wolf01> BTW I need a grenade throwing mod :| 23:52:20 <Wolf01> I'm also stupid, in this game you can add and remove mods at any time