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02:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause> how dare you 02:23:51 <supermop_home> haha 02:24:07 <supermop_home> the pipe separator does look nice 02:25:14 *** sm has quit IRC 02:27:43 <supermop_home> walked past a yard of Long Island Railroad switches on fire last night 02:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not sound healthy 02:29:22 <supermop_home> someone had posted an image of it in forums recently I recall 02:29:46 <supermop_home> was a freezing cold night with a lot of snow on the ground 02:42:59 <supermop_home> Eddi|zuHause: here https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=46344&p=1181409#p1181409 02:48:33 <supermop_home> eddi, did ddr produce any cars other than trabbi for export? 02:49:23 <supermop_home> I was surprised athe the vareity of eastern bloc cars in Havana (thought it would all be Ladas...) but I saw no trabbis 02:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause> there were basically two east german cars, Trabant and Wartburg 02:50:57 <supermop_home> ooh, we never heard about wartburg in german class 02:51:18 <supermop_home> if I saw any of those in cuba I did not recognize them 02:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Trabant was the cheapest one, Wartburg was a bit more expensive 02:52:28 <supermop_home> some of these 50s wartburgs look really nice 02:52:57 <supermop_home> I like this green pickup: 02:52:58 <supermop_home> http://www.fahrzeugbilder.de/1024/wartburg-353-w-trans--32576.jpg 02:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea if you could actually get that, looks customized 02:54:03 <supermop_home> http://img.index.hu/cikkepek/totalcar/tesztek/wartburg311/.gdata/cikk/wartburg311_003.jpg 02:55:01 <supermop_home> the wrap over window on this is really nice, and the 2nd-tone stripe is nice, not in the typical shape that all other mid-50s two tone cars had 02:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the sad thing about east german cars was that the production line basically froze in the 60s. they designed new models each year, but they never went into production 02:55:41 <supermop_home> I did see a hacked together lada limousine with 6 doors 02:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> until it was too late, and the factories could not survive the currency shock of the 90s 02:56:42 <supermop_home> Eddi|zuHause yeah bummer, I was wondering why the soviet bloc as a whole didn't aim to sell east german cars for export 02:57:16 <supermop_home> it seems like they could have been sucessful in the non-aligned world or even parts of the west 02:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that probably would have meant it would have been even more impossible to get a car in the east 02:57:57 <supermop_home> true 02:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, you had like 18 years waiting time towards the end, so some people enlisted their newborn kids, so they could have a car at their 18th birthday 02:59:06 <supermop_home> I also dont know enough about how the car factories were set up to understand how any profit from export would be distributed 02:59:28 <Eddi|zuHause> loads of things were produced for export 02:59:35 <supermop_home> but it seems if there was an export market, it would have been more palatable to raise the quota? 03:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause> like, ikea stuff and so on 03:01:02 <supermop_home> Eddi|zuHause yeah that's why I was so confused - it seemed to me that DDR would have been well situated to produce various consumer and specialist goods for export within and outside eastern bloc, so why not with cars 03:01:48 <supermop_home> and why could you buy a lada in the us back then but not an east german car 03:03:23 *** glx has quit IRC 03:04:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really know a lot about economy, but within the eastern bloc there were often dedicated production roles, so only one country was allowed to build trams and stuff 03:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe only one country was allowed to export cars 03:05:16 <supermop_home> you mentioned once that all the computers came from Russia? 03:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i said that 03:05:42 <supermop_home> hmm ok 03:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i might have said that i have leftovers from a crate where a (giant) computer was delivered to our university 03:11:38 <supermop_home> damn google photos thinks all these cortados are lattes 03:12:31 <supermop_home> it made a bunch of automatic albums categorized by the subject of the photo, 03:12:57 <supermop_home> but it has a bunch of pictures of a river as an album called lakes 03:13:17 <supermop_home> a picture of a cocktail as 'beer' 03:13:49 <supermop_home> and a picture of a subway entrance as a 'skyscraper' 03:14:48 <supermop_home> also a picture of a coffee in the 'trains' album 03:20:17 <supermop_home> would you recommend buying TF or civ 6? 03:23:27 <Eddi|zuHause> TF 03:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> wait till civ6 is 50% or 75% off 03:26:37 <supermop_home> any particular reason to get it on steam versus just buying it on the website? 03:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> ... if you want valve to get 30% of your money... 03:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (disclaimer: i don't know the actual value) 03:28:59 <supermop_home> hmm. what is steam workshop? 03:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> place where people can publish mods 03:29:26 <supermop_home> if i can avoid steam annoying me by running all the time that's a positive in my book 03:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i think you need to activate it on steam regardless 03:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and if your only problem with steam is that it annoys you during the game, just disable the overlay 04:27:14 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 06:30:32 *** gpsoft_ has joined #openttd 06:54:20 *** gpsoft_ has quit IRC 06:59:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:59:23 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:08:08 *** JezK has quit IRC 07:22:28 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 08:31:10 *** gpsoft_ has joined #openttd 08:31:24 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:53:42 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 09:01:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:07:40 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 09:10:21 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 09:16:25 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:23:18 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 09:23:26 <Wolf01> Moin 09:54:06 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:58:03 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 10:11:24 *** urdh_ has joined #openttd 10:14:10 *** urdh has quit IRC 10:14:10 *** urdh_ is now known as urdh 10:26:15 *** Supercheese has left #openttd 10:38:30 *** gpsoft_ has quit IRC 10:38:40 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 10:40:10 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 10:45:51 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 10:46:21 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 11:08:13 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 11:08:55 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 11:16:33 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 11:20:25 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 11:21:44 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 11:24:59 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 11:25:28 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 11:28:44 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 11:29:42 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 11:36:08 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 11:38:58 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 11:41:35 *** gpsoft_ has joined #openttd 11:54:09 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 12:09:20 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 12:15:05 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 12:37:10 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 12:50:38 *** gelignite has quit IRC 12:58:46 *** Compu has quit IRC 13:04:56 *** Compu has joined #openttd 13:17:16 *** maciozo has joined #openttd 13:24:38 *** ZirconiumX has joined #openttd 13:26:20 *** FR^2 has joined #openttd 13:26:52 *** FR^2 is now known as Guest291 13:34:40 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 14:20:04 <supermop> good morning 14:21:14 <crem_> Indeed, decent morning. 14:28:04 <supermop> here it is warm and sunny compared to yesterday, so i'll count it as good 14:38:37 <Eddi|zuHause> here is grey and snowing 14:39:58 <Alkel_U3> here it's also gray but at least not -20 °C anymore 14:44:40 <V453000> anus 14:54:37 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:59:18 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 14:59:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 14:59:23 <Alberth> hi hi 14:59:26 <supermop> hi 15:06:05 <Wolf01> o/ 15:40:52 *** maciozo has quit IRC 16:07:20 *** maciozo has joined #openttd 16:34:17 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:37:30 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:39:21 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:47:14 <Lejving> anyone got any docks eyecandy they can share? 16:47:30 <Lejving> esp with ship depots 16:48:16 <supermop> isr 16:48:30 <Lejving> looking for pics :D 16:48:34 <Lejving> to get inspiration 16:49:01 <Lejving> oh good I added isr/dwe objects to the map heh 16:51:06 <supermop> regular isr has a nice ship depot with no roof 16:51:32 <Lejving> ah crap can't change newgrf now it's on openttdcoop 16:51:44 <Lejving> gonna have to remember that for next time 16:54:13 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:58:33 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:01:49 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:07:35 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:13:59 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:14:56 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 17:17:37 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 17:48:40 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:49:06 *** aard has joined #openttd 17:57:48 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:57:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:07:55 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:12:22 <frosch123> hoi 18:18:52 <Alberth> o/ 18:21:29 <Wolf01> Quak 18:39:51 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:40:03 <andythenorth> o/ 18:46:25 <supermop> yo andy 18:49:26 <andythenorth> lo 18:53:29 <supermop> bastardizing firs bits for depots 18:53:42 <andythenorth> we should all go to Canadia http://www.railpictures.net/photo/602554/ 18:55:43 <supermop> i like the stripes 18:55:51 <V453000> I hate everything. 18:56:10 <andythenorth> or Indonesia http://www.railpictures.net/photo/602560/ 18:57:39 <andythenorth> V453000: do you hate this Large Freighter? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/unsinkable-sam/push/LATEST/docs/html/ships.html 18:57:51 <supermop> i hope that s bend was built just for picturesque-ness 18:58:14 <V453000> andythenorth: gold ships? 18:58:17 <V453000> bling bling? 18:58:20 <andythenorth> pretty good eh? 18:58:29 <V453000> sick 18:58:36 <V453000> it's missing just slug bits 18:58:47 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 18:58:52 <V453000> small tanker is pure art 18:59:27 <V453000> really nice shits overall 19:00:38 <andythenorth> I could make more like small tanker 19:00:46 <andythenorth> I could randomly composite bits of ships 19:00:50 <andythenorth> probably fine 19:02:13 <V453000> :D 19:02:24 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 19:02:57 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 19:03:12 <supermop> random ships each play through 19:04:46 <Maraxus> anyone here have experience in solving "your computer is too slow to keep up with the server" problems? 19:05:14 <andythenorth> in my limited experience, it was the connection, not the computer 19:05:15 <andythenorth> but eh 19:05:19 <andythenorth> that varies 19:07:31 <V453000> I like the stripes on edibles tanker and fridge 19:07:34 <Maraxus> so dl speed/ping/some other thing? 19:07:35 <V453000> nice differentiating 19:07:52 <V453000> andythenorth: if the game has 3000 trains ... :) 19:09:33 <andythenorth> V453000: :o who’d do that? 19:09:42 <V453000> we do 19:09:59 <Maraxus> we would - we had a game with 5k trains 19:14:21 <frosch123> bandwidth is only relevant when joining a game 19:15:03 <V453000> that's the case I think 19:15:10 <Maraxus> how much do you need in general terms to join a game? 19:15:31 <frosch123> a bit more than the server :) 19:15:46 <frosch123> (i mean cpu power) 19:16:03 *** ephja has joined #openttd 19:16:19 <frosch123> if you mean bandwidth for joining: that is actually also only relevant if the game is not paused for joining clients 19:17:14 <ephja> hills. hills everywhere :p 19:17:18 <andythenorth> in my case, I needed a connection that stayed up :P 19:17:23 <andythenorth> but eh 19:18:29 <Maraxus> it is paused and I have no problem downloading the map, but moving around on the map is a slideshow until it disconnects 19:18:54 <V453000> sounds like cpu 19:19:38 <Maraxus> so i5 2.4 ghz not enough? 19:20:24 <frosch123> or get a slower server :) 19:20:29 <frosch123> clients wait for the server 19:20:35 <frosch123> the server does not wait for clients 19:21:18 <frosch123> anyway, you should also check whether it's the game simulation or the drawing that takes the cpui 19:21:50 <frosch123> e.g. resize the game window to something considerably smaller 19:22:08 <frosch123> or try the other 8bpp/32bpp options 19:22:09 <V453000> u haz 32bpp or 8bpp on? 19:22:12 <V453000> ye 19:22:54 <andythenorth> false colour is badass http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8327/false_colour_sam.png 19:23:02 <andythenorth> I should just keep it 19:23:10 <V453000> 11/10 19:23:22 <andythenorth> Maraxus: disabled ‘full animation’? 19:24:25 <Maraxus> how do I do that? 19:27:07 <andythenorth> spanner / wrench / gear icon on main toolbar 19:27:38 <andythenorth> V453000: how about a complete baseset + grfs in false colour? o_O 19:28:09 <frosch123> basesets cannot enforce the violet smallmap schema 19:28:47 <Maraxus> full animation/detail are off 19:29:29 <frosch123> save the game locally, load it as singleplayer, stop all vehicles and check whether that makes a difference :) 19:46:00 <V453000> hm I have like 1 fps as well 19:46:08 <V453000> something is very wtf 19:46:43 <frosch123> did you setup silly orders again? :) 19:46:49 <V453000> no just normal refit 19:47:16 <V453000> I've never seen this amount of lag 19:48:11 <V453000> and it's not just spikes 19:48:29 <V453000> constant 1fps slideshow like maraxus says 19:48:35 <V453000> I remain connected, ok :D 19:48:58 <V453000> trying to disable 32bpp and shit 19:52:56 <V453000> 1fps with 32bpp, 2fps with 8bpp :d https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/Mr.%20Madness%20INC.%2C%2020th%20Nov%202398.sav 19:53:06 <V453000> some people on our server actually don't have problems 19:54:45 <V453000> in singleplayer I am kind of ok 19:55:54 <V453000> threads 0 and 2 are kind of busy but not 100% maxed 19:57:05 <Maraxus> runs fine in singleplayer for me 19:57:27 <V453000> same here 20:00:40 <frosch123> is it the public server? 20:01:12 <V453000> yes 20:01:49 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 20:02:01 <V453000> come join :P 20:02:31 <frosch123> server is at 51% cpu 20:03:47 <andythenorth> I ruined the small tanker :P http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/unsinkable-sam/push/LATEST/docs/html/ships.html 20:04:40 <andythenorth> Wolf01: seen the towtruck prelim image? 20:04:52 <Wolf01> No? 20:05:03 <frosch123> load some tanks onto the tanker 20:05:29 <andythenorth> Wolf01: ygm 20:05:32 <andythenorth> forums 20:05:52 <andythenorth> frosch123: liquid tanks, or blowing things up tanks? 20:06:40 <Wolf01> Holy shit 20:08:36 <andythenorth> Wolf01: see the teddy bear? o_O 20:08:42 <Wolf01> Yup 20:08:56 <Wolf01> I hope it will make to the final version :D 20:09:28 <Wolf01> Claas tyres? 20:09:44 <andythenorth> aparently 20:13:09 <andythenorth> looks military, even if it’s azure blue :P 20:13:24 <Wolf01> It's wonderful 20:15:45 <andythenorth> http://www.military-today.com/engineering/oshkosh_mk36.jpg 20:17:04 <andythenorth> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/b3/f0/c2b3f0ba4ad742c109b7912ad4bd3486.jpg 20:17:14 * andythenorth should add tow trucks to hog :P 20:19:27 <Wolf01> :D 20:19:31 <Wolf01> And tow what? 20:20:17 <andythenorth> yeah... 20:20:25 <V453000> IRRELEVANT 20:20:27 <andythenorth> Wolf01: this would be awesome with batman tyres http://www.offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR/Scammell/scammell-mountaineer-6x6%201950.jpg 20:20:27 <V453000> TOW IT 20:20:32 <V453000> tow slugs 20:21:04 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:21:20 <supermop> slugs were too much for andy 20:21:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 20:23:37 <V453000> na 20:23:43 <V453000> he fine 20:24:14 *** ZirconiumX has quit IRC 20:25:21 <andythenorth> such towing 20:30:28 <Wolf01> The transmitters seem to be really a problem 20:37:04 * andythenorth wonders how hard this would be to recreate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf5Y6Zt8NgU 20:37:11 <andythenorth> and whether python is fast enough :P 20:41:25 <andythenorth> that game ran on a ~5 MIPS ARM 2 chip 20:42:51 <andythenorth> my laptop kicks around about 100k MIPS 20:42:56 <andythenorth> but python is slow eh? o_O 20:47:00 <andythenorth> interview with the developer :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7iM__aHnMM 20:47:03 <andythenorth> peter1138: ^ 20:48:43 <frosch123> V453000: since when do you run logic trains at 2000 kmh? 20:48:59 <andythenorth> oh he wrote the same first program I did 20:49:02 <andythenorth> 10 print ‘fuck’ 20:49:04 <andythenorth> 20 goto 10 20:49:06 <andythenorth> oops 20:50:33 <SpComb> andythenorth: what FPS does that run at, it doesn't look like 60fps :P 20:50:48 <andythenorth> 'less' 20:51:35 <frosch123> V453000: on third though, i think it's indeed just cpu power 20:52:00 <SpComb> I would guess that to be feasible in Python, especially if you're able to offload a reasonable amount of the pixel-pushing to pygame 20:52:14 <SpComb> like rendering individual sprites with some 3D transformations 20:52:48 <SpComb> ofc if you go into some kind of Python+OpenGL then even more so 20:54:53 <SpComb> wow, the pygame.org experience is really weird.. they have like three different web pages in one 20:56:53 <andythenorth> that game just ran on the CPU 20:57:21 * andythenorth wonders how hard it can be :P 20:57:53 <andythenorth> not sure how python draws to the screen though 20:58:32 <Milek7> why in python? 20:58:42 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 20:58:49 <andythenorth> because I only currently know python 20:59:13 <andythenorth> I suspect it can’t be done 20:59:22 <SpComb> andythenorth: pygame can handle the actual pixel-pushing outside of Python 20:59:45 <andythenorth> an 8MHz CPU drawing directly to the screen buffer is probably faster than python on an i7 via everything my OS puts in between python and the screen :P 20:59:52 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:03:07 <SpComb> http://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/transform.html I'm not seeing a lot of 3D rendering support 21:03:28 <SpComb> need some 3D transform matrices 21:06:03 <SpComb> http://www.petercollingridge.co.uk/pygame-3d-graphics-tutorial/matrix-transformations 21:07:03 <andythenorth> I should probably do a polygon drawing tutorial :P 21:09:14 <SpComb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3EKRZFol0 21:11:41 <SpComb> https://github.com/jtmfam/Gh0stenstein/blob/master/src/worldManager.py#L40 this code seems horrible, and it's supposedly the best example of 3D rendering in PyGame :P 21:11:44 <SpComb> maybe it's a bad idea 21:12:20 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 21:14:37 <andythenorth> it’s a lot of stuff :) 21:15:14 <andythenorth> oh it’s plastering bitmaps onto surfaces? 21:20:16 <V453000> frosch123: 2000kmh has been the standard speed for logic trains for us since we used them pretty much 21:25:48 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:32:10 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:32:29 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:38:59 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:39:34 <ephja> is there a wiki article counter somewhere? 21:41:12 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:41:22 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:41:56 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:41:56 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 21:42:09 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 21:48:32 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:50:35 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:55:44 *** aard has quit IRC 21:59:08 *** Arveen has quit IRC 22:00:27 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:00:27 <Wolf01> 'night 22:00:33 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:00:37 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause> what would be the point of such a counter? 22:01:24 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:01:35 <supermop> maybe it's a physical counter, like a help desk 22:07:56 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:09:04 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:17:25 *** gpsoft_ has quit IRC 22:18:28 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 22:23:52 *** gpsoft_ has joined #openttd 22:35:42 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:50:48 *** tokai has joined #openttd 22:50:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 22:55:23 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 22:57:46 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 23:06:17 *** Jinassi has joined #openttd 23:07:01 <ephja> Eddi|zuHause: I dunno 23:07:27 <ephja> my monorail train goes in and out of the depot ad infinitum for some reason. all tracks have been converted 23:09:08 <ephja> hm wait 23:22:15 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 23:24:05 <ephja> nvm 23:33:07 <glx> I guess a missing tile in the conversion ;) 23:45:37 <ephja> is there a point in providing town growth when there are cities available? 23:47:23 *** maciozo has quit IRC 23:47:30 <ephja> I guess not 23:54:00 *** supermop has quit IRC