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Desert scenario - time passed slowly and I over-invested so badly :-P 12:51:02 <crem> OpenTTD is the second best game for the multiplayer! ( First one being Portal 2 ). 12:52:41 <Wolf01> Wrong, the first is factorio 12:53:59 <crem> Never played factorio multiplayer.. 12:54:43 <peter1138> Portal 2 is kinda short. 12:56:58 <Wolf01> Alkel_U3, do you have some time for that mp game? 13:40:35 <Flygon> What's the third best? 13:40:50 <Wolf01> Factorio again 13:40:50 <Flygon> Drunk amateur 8 player Age of Empires II? 13:40:53 <Flygon> Oh :V 13:41:06 <Flygon> Seriously my best AoEII games are when everyone's completely wasted. 13:42:14 <Wolf01> The only thing I did as completely wasted was to build a lego without instructions and just by looking at the box... And I did it :| 13:42:39 <Flygon> I've never drunk. 13:42:42 <Flygon> But everyone else sure was. 13:42:42 <Wolf01> And that's the last time I got drunk 13:45:10 <Celestar> fuck timezones 13:45:25 <Wolf01> Oh, hello sir 13:45:33 <Celestar> hi :) 13:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2006d: New data for Haiti, Sri Lanka, and Canada 13:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2012c: Haiti following US/Canada rules for 2012. 13:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2013b: Haiti uses US daylight-saving rules this year, and presumably future years. 13:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2016b: Haiti will not observe DST in 2016. 13:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2017b: Haiti resumed observance of DST in 2017. 13:46:57 <Wolf01> Ha! 13:56:09 <Alkel_U3> Wolf01: hi. I'm currently at a festival, away from computer. I'm going home this evening so maybe after 21 today or tommorow 13:56:26 <Wolf01> Good 14:08:12 *** APTX has quit IRC 14:08:34 *** APTX has joined #openttd 14:29:00 *** dark_pingus has joined #openttd 14:48:01 *** greeter has quit IRC 14:57:58 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:14:09 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 15:17:33 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:20:20 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 15:21:10 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 15:42:00 *** urdh has joined #openttd 15:43:03 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:43:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:43:10 <Alberth> o/ 15:50:25 <LordAro> /o 16:20:21 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:43:52 <Wolf01> o/ 16:46:56 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:46:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:47:35 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:58:35 *** Celestar has quit IRC 17:09:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:13:06 *** Celestar has joined #openttd 17:16:48 *** Progman has quit IRC 17:19:38 <UncleCJ> Wolf01: I suspect I will have to get Factorio... :-D 17:23:56 <Wolf01> Everybody should 17:30:02 *** Speedy has quit IRC 17:31:56 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 17:32:08 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 17:33:48 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:33:56 <Wolf01> Is it? 17:34:12 <andythenorth> yup 17:34:54 <andythenorth> still not sure about map colours 17:35:45 <Wolf01> I'm still not sure about taking an IT security course 17:39:08 <andythenorth> what’s it about? 17:39:21 <Wolf01> Penetration testing 17:39:49 <andythenorth> it’s a thing people do 17:41:24 <Wolf01> Too bad it's really expensive 17:42:22 <Wolf01> And I'm not sure about what piece of paper they will give me, maybe without some sort of degree in IT is useless 17:45:00 <andythenorth> hmm 17:45:15 * andythenorth porting FIRS docs to Bootstrap 3 17:51:18 <andythenorth> sidebar navigation: on left or right? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html 17:54:01 <andythenorth> maybe there’s a better way 17:54:18 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 18:04:47 *** Speedy has quit IRC 18:05:28 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 18:05:34 <andythenorth> ach 18:05:36 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 18:05:37 <andythenorth> the FIRS makefile :) 18:05:45 <andythenorth> needs work 18:10:17 <Alberth> make work :) 18:11:00 *** Speedy has quit IRC 18:11:04 <andythenorth> the docs targets are still…weird :) 18:11:15 <andythenorth> I tried to clean them up last week, but made a circular reference 18:11:32 <andythenorth> also I need to teach docs about the .pt dependencies 18:11:49 <andythenorth> but I don’t want it to build everything just because a docs file changed :P 18:12:19 <Alberth> .pt ? 18:13:02 <andythenorth> page templates 18:13:10 <andythenorth> it src/docs_templates, mostly 18:13:21 <andythenorth> it / in /s 18:13:29 <Alberth> ah 18:14:46 <Alberth> you can't both have automagic building and not have automagic building :) 18:15:10 <andythenorth> ideally ‘make docs’ would detect changed .pt files 18:15:16 <andythenorth> but not trigger building the grf 18:15:22 <andythenorth> I don’t think that’s possible 18:18:22 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 18:18:29 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 18:21:14 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:24:54 <andythenorth> quak 18:24:56 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:25:02 <frosch123> hoi 18:25:29 <andythenorth> straw poll, how big is this svg in your browsers? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/LATEST/docs/html/temperate_basic.dot.svg 18:25:41 <andythenorth> as % of viewport :P 18:25:56 * andythenorth wonders about constraining it to 100% of viewport 18:26:05 <frosch123> is that possible? 18:26:17 <frosch123> anyway, it's wider than one screen 18:26:28 <andythenorth> I can wrap it in html 18:26:38 <frosch123> about 2500 pixels 18:26:55 <frosch123> usually i scroll 18:26:57 <andythenorth> how big is your screen? :D 18:27:03 <frosch123> it probably would not be readable when zoomed 18:27:11 <frosch123> 2x hd 18:27:31 <frosch123> @calc 1920*2 18:27:31 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 3840 18:27:47 <andythenorth> mine is 1280 :) 18:28:08 <frosch123> anyway, i can zoom it with ctrl+wheel 18:28:11 <frosch123> if i really want o 18:28:13 <andythenorth> same here 18:28:19 <andythenorth> usually I load it, then zoom out :P 18:28:52 <frosch123> next question: why does my ssh-agent not work? 18:29:04 <andythenorth> poodle 18:29:14 <andythenorth> outdated python ssh bindings? 18:29:17 <andythenorth> bees? 18:29:21 <andythenorth> sunspots? 18:29:22 <frosch123> oh, it works on coop 18:34:20 *** Speedy has quit IRC 18:35:05 <frosch123> i assumed old keys would only get rejected by new servers, but apparently new clients are also picky 18:35:16 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 18:35:18 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 18:37:24 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 18:42:44 *** Speedy has quit IRC 18:42:59 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 18:43:05 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 19:04:06 *** Speedy has quit IRC 19:04:30 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 19:04:37 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 19:12:43 *** Progman has joined #openttd 19:16:01 *** efess has joined #openttd 19:18:07 <andythenorth> ach 19:18:22 * andythenorth really needs to learn make :( 19:22:08 <andythenorth> frosch123: better? o_O http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/cargoflow_extreme.html 19:22:15 <andythenorth> also http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/cargoflow_in_a_hot_country.html 19:22:17 <andythenorth> etc 19:22:24 <andythenorth> they’re linked from http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html 19:24:47 <frosch123> i can't read them, and zooming does not work anymore 19:25:35 <frosch123> fullscreen works 19:25:41 <andythenorth> ha 19:25:53 <andythenorth> browser zoom actually makes it (smaller in chrome) 19:25:56 <andythenorth> unexpected result :) 19:26:03 <andythenorth> right 19:26:03 <frosch123> same with firefox 19:26:16 * andythenorth will try and find a better way 19:27:32 <andythenorth> https://github.com/ariutta/svg-pan-zoom ? o_O 19:29:44 <frosch123> http://ariutta.github.io/svg-pan-zoom/demo/thumbnailViewer.html <- i guess that variant could work 19:29:58 <andythenorth> eh quite cool 19:30:28 * andythenorth needs to assess the infosec risk of it 19:30:33 <andythenorth> maybe Wolf01 could do that? o_O 19:56:41 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:06:30 <andythenorth> ach 20:06:31 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/cargoflow_temperate_basic.html 20:06:40 <andythenorth> can’t figure out why the pan-zoom isn’t enabled 20:06:46 <andythenorth> probably bad path somewhere 20:06:59 <frosch123> works for me? 20:09:16 <frosch123> the bottom-left thingie is slightly buggy as it does not quite align to the mouse, but it mostly works 20:10:31 <frosch123> the overall thing is also minimal bigger than the viewport, so it adds scrollbars 20:12:01 <andythenorth> do you get the zoom icons? 20:12:19 <frosch123> yes 20:12:34 <andythenorth> chrome drops them 20:12:40 <andythenorth> and in some of the docs examples 20:12:42 <andythenorth> but not all 20:12:56 <andythenorth> well it’s better than before :P 20:13:07 <frosch123> it also works in chromium for me 20:13:23 <frosch123> though different :o 20:13:52 <frosch123> it chromium i have to click to drag the red border, in firefox is just follows on moving 20:14:12 <andythenorth> works in safari, but thumbnail drag is absent 20:14:42 <andythenorth> I will offer refunds to dissatisfied users :) 20:15:14 <frosch123> it even works in konqueror 20:16:26 <frosch123> except that konqueror seems to enforce a minimum font size, so the thumbnail looks kind of bad 20:19:13 <andythenorth> ha 20:27:02 <andythenorth> hmm works for me in chrome now 20:28:00 <andythenorth> now it just needs to be in a modal :P 20:41:30 *** Hiddenfunstuff has quit IRC 20:49:06 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:49:11 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:02:01 <Wolf01> <andythenorth> maybe Wolf01 could do that? o_O <- ha 21:06:30 <Wolf01> BTW the demos don't work at all on firefox 21:07:36 * andythenorth wonders if it’s a flakey library 21:07:51 <Wolf01> Oh, now they do, but only after I opened them in Edge 21:09:16 <Wolf01> The resize svg container on page resize was tricky IIRC 21:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> And I'm not sure about what piece of paper they will give me, maybe without some sort of degree in IT is useless <-- a degree is probably the least important thing in IT... 21:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: have you had a look at my partitioning algorithm? 21:18:17 <andythenorth> I have, but I didn’t figure out what I’d need to feed it yet 21:18:25 <andythenorth> presumably just a list of economies and industries 21:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, a dict, where the keys are industries, and the values are sets of economies 21:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and it returns sets of industries that can share colours 21:19:49 *** bwn has quit IRC 21:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i've made no theoretical considerations on how "optimal" the result is 21:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> in terms of "this is the minimum amount of colours you need" 21:23:03 <Wolf01> I should go to job talks with a classmate which got a degree in IT, usually he is rejected because with a degree they have to pay him more, then I could introduce myself :> 21:25:19 <andythenorth> :P 21:25:30 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:25:33 <andythenorth> funny that in some countries, developers are v. hard to find 21:25:41 *** bwn has joined #openttd 21:25:44 <andythenorth> and bits of Europe have them in surplus 21:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never heard of IT people being rejected 21:26:10 <Wolf01> Oh, there's plenty of vacant positions here, but nobody that suits them 21:26:17 <Wolf01> Because they are picky 21:27:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, basically i was hired after i said "i like python" :p 21:27:52 <Wolf01> The best candidate is 20-25 years old, with 10+ years of practice, master degree in IT, must not have worked before in the IT compartment because they need to hire him as apprentice 21:28:17 <andythenorth> old http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html 21:28:24 <andythenorth> new http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html 21:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> they gasped a little when i said how much i wanted to be paid 21:28:39 <andythenorth> [bearing in mind that new is designed to look better on mobile] 21:28:48 <andythenorth> is new better or just different? 21:29:08 <Wolf01> I was hired because I was the only one able to tell the difference between domain name and email 21:29:34 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: too much or too little? o_O 21:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause> bigger is better 21:30:06 <andythenorth> I think it’s cleaner 21:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, i feel like i should have asked more, but they offered even less 21:30:20 <andythenorth> :P 21:30:22 <Wolf01> <andythenorth> new http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html <- /me likes it 21:30:40 <andythenorth> it’s a bit of a weird layout 21:30:40 <andythenorth> the reading order is unclear 21:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause> (and they said their number first) 21:30:43 <andythenorth> but it seems to work 21:31:39 <Wolf01> Here is pretty impossible to make an offer, basically they would like to not pay you 21:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i never really liked graphviz, because i think the graphs could be more compact and cleaner if it relaxed a little on the hierarchical layout 21:34:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the steeltown graph looks especially horrible 21:35:15 <Wolf01> I used plantUML for a website 21:35:51 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:38:19 <andythenorth> it’s a shame about the steeltown layout 21:38:23 <andythenorth> the flow is quite nice 21:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> totally unrelated to the topic, and really old: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXjhszy2f9w 21:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> (also mostly in german) 21:41:24 *** Speedy has quit IRC 21:41:47 <Wolf01> I didn't understand a word, but I think I get the irony 21:42:31 *** Speedy` has joined #openttd 21:42:40 <andythenorth> I don’t know of any graphviz alternatives :| 21:42:42 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 21:44:09 <Wolf01> I just made graphs in svg with the IDE plugin and then loaded them in the site :P 21:45:30 <andythenorth> ? http://www.yworks.com/products/yed 21:45:56 <Wolf01> I use this one http://plantuml.com 21:46:21 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i can't really help you with that 21:46:22 <Wolf01> You need graphwiz too 21:46:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 21:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it would probably be fine if you just could drag around the nodes a bit after you've piped it through graphviz 21:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but that's not really useful for automatted generation 21:48:19 *** dark_pingus has quit IRC 21:50:35 <andythenorth> is bed 21:53:23 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:55:58 *** FR^2 has left #openttd 22:03:03 <Wolf01> Me too 22:03:06 <Wolf01> 'night 22:03:09 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:05:31 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 22:27:18 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:04:45 *** cosmobird_ has quit IRC