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Why would they do that??????? 06:06:04 <amote> http://perens.com/blog/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/ 06:06:09 <amote> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/07/09/188246/bruce-perens-warns-grsecurity-breaches-the-linux-kernels-gpl-license 06:06:11 <amote> WHY???? 06:21:33 *** supermop_ has quit IRC 06:24:35 *** amote has quit IRC 06:41:27 *** Bhootrk_ has quit IRC 07:01:12 *** Celestar has joined #openttd 08:14:06 *** Hiddenfunstuff has joined #openttd 08:38:24 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 08:55:12 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 09:21:56 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 09:22:07 <Wolf01> Moin 09:23:36 <crem> Yes. 09:30:41 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 09:42:28 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 10:47:15 *** mescalito has joined #openttd 11:17:18 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 11:23:20 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 11:48:19 *** Gja has joined #openttd 11:48:31 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 11:52:23 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 12:12:35 *** Gja has quit IRC 12:53:37 *** Gja has joined #openttd 12:57:49 *** Gja has quit IRC 13:15:46 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 14:25:51 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 14:27:33 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 14:27:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 14:27:40 <Alberth> o/ 14:28:36 <crem> \o 14:38:58 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:16:35 <supermop> so i've made an error which will cost us 5000usd 15:16:47 <supermop> but my boss is in cuba 15:17:20 <supermop> so he cant get angry yet, but i also cant get the unpleasantness out of the way to get the 5000usd paid 15:18:01 <planetmaker> shit happens, I guess 15:18:37 <supermop> also thatis pretty small for most construction jobs, but this case is bad due to how stupid of an error it is and how blatantly it is solely my fault 15:19:14 <supermop> also this particular client is the type to go apoplectic over stuff like this 15:20:52 <supermop> also because he never got around to hiring a replacement when my colleague quit, and just has been pocketing the extra salary (private company) i cant even just get fired 15:21:08 <supermop> because then there will literally be no one to manage the project 15:21:20 <supermop> tbh i'd rather get fired 15:22:07 <planetmaker> well, you did learn from it as you seemingly are very unlikely to do the same mistake again :) 15:22:13 <supermop> nah 15:22:27 <supermop> it was a mistake i 'learnt' like 10 ears ago 15:22:41 <supermop> just pure brain error to make it now 15:23:08 <planetmaker> However, it's your boss' problem if he creates conditions under which the employees he urgently needs consider to quit at the next good opportunity (that's how I read you) 15:23:43 <supermop> looked at a set of submitted drawings from contractor 6+ times to correct other errors in them 15:23:49 <planetmaker> It's his risk that he will end up with no-one being able to fulfill the tasks which he committed to seeing fulfilled 15:24:17 <supermop> but always missed one dimension that was 29" instead of 36" each time 15:24:17 <planetmaker> you don't need to feel an obligation there ;) 15:24:38 <supermop> should have noticed it was wrong just by proportion 15:25:38 <planetmaker> meh, that sucks :) 15:28:17 <supermop> even if it were metric, shouldn't need a label to see the difference between 74 and 91 cm 15:30:33 <supermop> millworker could submit drawing showing the cabinet is an impossible klein bottle 15:30:59 <supermop> and if i write approved on it, it's my (actually my boss's) fault that it cannot be built 15:31:15 <supermop> so i got no way out here 15:33:16 <planetmaker> :) sounds like. Tell the customer (if he needs telling and you're allowed to) Tell your boss. You did an honest mistake. That's it. The sun will continue to shine also for you :) 15:33:37 <planetmaker> you're not a freaking robot :) 15:38:28 <Alberth> yep, humans make errors, it's always surprising how many errors people find when reviewing my code 15:39:02 <Alberth> some are just how you look at it, some are true improvements, and some are simple errors by me 15:39:18 <Alberth> that's why you have reviews, imho 15:39:28 <Alberth> too bad you can't enjoy that service :( 15:43:45 *** synchris has joined #openttd 15:47:59 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 15:51:18 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 15:52:34 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:02:57 <supermop> Alberth: at least with code, even if you manage to cause thousands of dollars of losses somehow, you can at least update 16:03:45 <supermop> unfortunately with real thing made out of material by lowest bidder, fixing it later is difficult even if you can pay the cost 16:13:27 <supermop> but i already made my peace with being at fault 16:13:46 <supermop> so i don't feel that bad now, just hope i can find a practical fix 16:15:20 <Alberth> update doesn't always get there in time, ie exploding ariane 5 rocket :p 16:15:31 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:15:51 <supermop> Alberth: with a rocket, lots of people lots of money so they all shrug it off 16:16:13 <supermop> if one client spends 5000$, it feels much more serious 16:17:36 <Alberth> the only thing you can do now is to try fix it somehow, as you say 16:19:44 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:20:18 <Alberth> o/ 16:21:36 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 16:21:36 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 16:23:18 <frosch123> hoi 16:23:56 <supermop> yo 16:25:17 <frosch123> supermop: some years ago *they* introduced a new offer calculatation excelsheet in my company to finally fix calculations being wrong. the first offer that went out was several 100k off, because the formulas in the sheet did not sum all cells they were supposed to 16:26:04 <supermop> at least no one would notice 5000 then 16:28:33 *** tokai has quit IRC 16:35:56 *** cHawk has quit IRC 16:42:53 <supermop> need to draw some tram parts 16:43:14 <supermop> meant to do so over the weekend but just drew house parts instead 16:49:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:52:09 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:26:02 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 17:26:19 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 17:27:42 *** Progman has quit IRC 18:09:53 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 18:19:46 *** bwn has quit IRC 18:45:07 *** bwn has joined #openttd 18:52:44 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:52:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:54:34 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: did they offer to build the berlin airport with that? 19:44:17 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 19:44:28 *** Gja has quit IRC 19:45:55 *** synchris has quit IRC 19:46:16 *** Gja has joined #openttd 19:55:09 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:00:38 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:00:51 *** orudge has joined #openttd 20:17:00 *** Gja has quit IRC 20:29:34 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:36:06 *** Gja has joined #openttd 20:59:30 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:07:33 *** mescalito has quit IRC 21:07:44 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:25:56 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 22:15:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:48:03 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 22:51:35 *** Celestar has quit IRC 22:56:08 *** Hiddenfunstuff has quit IRC 23:01:19 *** Celestar has joined #openttd 23:56:46 *** Gja has joined #openttd 23:56:52 <Wolf01> 'night 23:56:57 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:57:10 *** Gja has quit IRC