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06:06:03  <amote> GRSecurity is Violating the Linux kernel???? Why would they do that???????
06:06:04  <amote> http://perens.com/blog/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/
06:06:09  <amote> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/07/09/188246/bruce-perens-warns-grsecurity-breaches-the-linux-kernels-gpl-license
06:06:11  <amote> WHY????
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09:22:07  <Wolf01> Moin
09:23:36  <crem> Yes.
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14:27:40  <Alberth> o/
14:28:36  <crem> \o
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15:16:35  <supermop> so i've made an error which will cost us 5000usd
15:16:47  <supermop> but my boss is in cuba
15:17:20  <supermop> so he cant get angry yet, but i also cant get the unpleasantness out of the way to get the 5000usd paid
15:18:01  <planetmaker> shit happens, I guess
15:18:37  <supermop> also thatis pretty small for most construction jobs, but this case is bad due to how stupid of an error it is and how blatantly it is solely my fault
15:19:14  <supermop> also this particular client is the type to go apoplectic over stuff like this
15:20:52  <supermop> also because he never got around to hiring a replacement when my colleague quit, and just has been pocketing the extra salary (private company) i cant even just get fired
15:21:08  <supermop> because then there will literally be no one to manage the project
15:21:20  <supermop> tbh i'd rather get fired
15:22:07  <planetmaker> well, you did learn from it as you seemingly are very unlikely to do the same mistake again :)
15:22:13  <supermop> nah
15:22:27  <supermop> it was a mistake i 'learnt' like 10 ears ago
15:22:41  <supermop> just pure brain error to make it now
15:23:08  <planetmaker> However, it's your boss' problem if he creates conditions under which the employees he urgently needs consider to quit at the next good opportunity (that's how I read you)
15:23:43  <supermop> looked at a set of submitted drawings from contractor 6+ times to correct other errors in them
15:23:49  <planetmaker> It's his risk that he will end up with no-one being able to fulfill the tasks which he committed to seeing fulfilled
15:24:17  <supermop> but always missed one dimension that was 29" instead of 36" each time
15:24:17  <planetmaker> you don't need to feel an obligation there ;)
15:24:38  <supermop> should have noticed it was wrong just by proportion
15:25:38  <planetmaker> meh, that sucks :)
15:28:17  <supermop> even if it were metric, shouldn't need a label to see the difference between 74 and 91 cm
15:30:33  <supermop> millworker could submit drawing showing the cabinet is an impossible klein bottle
15:30:59  <supermop> and if i write approved on it, it's my (actually my boss's) fault that it cannot be built
15:31:15  <supermop> so i got no way out here
15:33:16  <planetmaker> :) sounds like. Tell the customer (if he needs telling and you're allowed to) Tell your boss. You did an honest mistake. That's it. The sun will continue to shine also for you :)
15:33:37  <planetmaker> you're not a freaking robot :)
15:38:28  <Alberth> yep, humans make errors, it's always surprising how many errors people find when reviewing my code
15:39:02  <Alberth> some are just how you look at it, some are true improvements, and some are simple errors by me
15:39:18  <Alberth> that's why you have reviews, imho
15:39:28  <Alberth> too bad you can't enjoy that service :(
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16:02:57  <supermop> Alberth: at least with code, even if you manage to cause thousands of dollars of losses somehow, you can at least update
16:03:45  <supermop> unfortunately with real thing made out of material by lowest bidder, fixing it later is difficult even if you can pay the cost
16:13:27  <supermop> but i already made my peace with being at fault
16:13:46  <supermop> so i don't feel that bad now, just hope i can find a practical fix
16:15:20  <Alberth> update doesn't always get there in time, ie exploding ariane 5 rocket :p
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16:15:51  <supermop> Alberth: with a rocket, lots of people lots of money so they all shrug it off
16:16:13  <supermop> if one client spends 5000$, it feels much more serious
16:17:36  <Alberth> the only thing you can do now is to try fix it somehow, as you say
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16:20:18  <Alberth> o/
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16:23:18  <frosch123> hoi
16:23:56  <supermop> yo
16:25:17  <frosch123> supermop: some years ago *they* introduced a new offer calculatation excelsheet in my company to finally fix calculations being wrong. the first offer that went out was several 100k off, because the formulas in the sheet did not sum all cells they were supposed to
16:26:04  <supermop> at least no one would notice 5000 then
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16:42:53  <supermop> need to draw some tram parts
16:43:14  <supermop> meant to do so over the weekend but just drew house parts instead
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18:54:34  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: did they offer to build the berlin airport with that?
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23:56:52  <Wolf01> 'night
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