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You will be able to make from 29 roads and 1 tramway and 1 road and 29 tramway 09:38:22 <Wolf01> 2. If we remove tramway completely and make it just a property of the road, then you can just draw twice the sprites for road, one set normal and one set with tramway 09:38:35 <Wolf01> 3. one catenary 09:38:46 <Wolf01> 4. everything is under control of the author 09:40:44 <andythenorth> how is tram-without-road implemented? 09:40:58 <Wolf01> Good point 09:42:13 <Wolf01> Property of groundtype instead of road? 09:42:46 <andythenorth> I keep coming back to the conclusion that current spec is fine :p 09:43:10 <Wolf01> It is fine because it works already 09:44:50 <andythenorth> also it doesn't cause me any problems :) 09:44:53 <Wolf01> But after some usage I found that there are some weird limitations, which groundtype could diminish, like having to define 10 different tramways for 10 different ground graphics 09:45:02 <andythenorth> well 09:45:25 <andythenorth> if they were all implementing RAIL (for example) 09:45:43 <andythenorth> we could group them somehow in the UI 09:45:57 <andythenorth> maybe types need variants 09:46:54 <andythenorth> actually, that's likely not possible in map currently 09:47:18 <andythenorth> maybe labels don't have to be unique? 09:47:36 * andythenorth thinking out loud 09:49:43 <andythenorth> the appearance is orthogonal to the vehicle compatibility? o_O 09:50:08 <andythenorth> so why are both tied to the same property (label)? 09:50:15 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 09:53:38 <andythenorth> funny how the length of narrow gauge train sprites depends on decisions for NRT :p 09:53:59 <andythenorth> maybe it shouldn't 😉 10:18:10 <andythenorth> current IH narrow gauge, versus converting to 2/8 long wagons 10:18:14 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8515/Image%209.jpg 10:18:38 <andythenorth> ipad can only jpg, so image is spidery :| 10:23:04 <andythenorth> probably would need to redraw track sprites 10:23:16 <andythenorth> too wide currently 10:26:15 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:27:25 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 10:29:51 *** supermop has quit IRC 10:42:45 *** supermop_home_ has joined #openttd 10:43:39 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 10:54:14 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 10:57:42 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 10:58:22 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:59:15 *** supermop_home_ has quit IRC 11:22:15 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 11:22:15 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 11:22:19 <Alberth> o/ 11:22:52 <Wolf01> o/ 11:26:16 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 11:27:22 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 11:30:22 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 11:30:52 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 11:56:41 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 11:57:43 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 12:56:49 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 12:57:21 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 12:59:17 *** supermop has joined #openttd 13:11:25 *** supermop has quit IRC 13:13:51 *** supermop has joined #openttd 13:20:06 <dihedral> hello 13:22:44 <__ln__> hallo dihedral 13:25:55 <supermop_> yo 13:26:45 <dihedral> how are things in here? 13:27:19 <dihedral> when is the next openttd party? :-P 13:27:46 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 13:28:23 <__ln__> haven't heard anything of such 13:28:31 <dihedral> that is a real pitty 13:28:50 * dihedral waves at planetmaker 13:30:09 <dihedral> Rubidium, make it happen ;-) 13:30:26 <__ln__> would a weihnachtsmarkt-glühwein-openttd party work? :) 13:30:41 *** supermop has quit IRC 13:30:57 <dihedral> uh sounds awesome 13:31:39 <peter1138> a what? 13:31:59 <Celestar1> ? 13:33:31 <planetmaker> hu 13:34:03 <V453000> ho 13:41:05 <Arveen2> number 32 without olives plz 13:44:00 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 13:46:26 *** supermop has joined #openttd 13:49:22 *** Flygon has quit IRC 13:54:19 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:00:27 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 14:00:48 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 14:15:29 * Rubidium decrees that the next party is on Saturday 9th of september 2017 at dihedral's place 14:15:44 <Rubidium> dihedral, thanks for offering your place ;) 14:27:07 <dihedral> hehe 14:27:13 <dihedral> a turn of events :-P 14:27:21 <planetmaker> Weihnachtsmarkt-Party at dih's place somewhen November/December? Sounds quite acceptable to me 14:27:37 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 14:28:41 *** supermop has quit IRC 14:29:55 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 14:41:33 <LordAro> dihedral: you finishing up the next 2.3k commits then? 14:46:32 <dihedral> :-P 14:46:56 <peter1138> NRT, line by line 14:50:46 *** lonerwurld has joined #openttd 14:52:11 *** lonerwurld has quit IRC 15:12:36 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 15:12:36 *** supermop has joined #openttd 15:25:39 *** Progman has joined #openttd 15:26:45 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 15:27:35 *** supermop_home has joined #openttd 15:27:53 *** synchris has joined #openttd 15:28:56 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 15:30:21 *** supermop has quit IRC 15:44:56 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:00:03 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:41:00 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 16:41:11 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:41:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:45:28 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:49:05 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 16:51:16 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:58:07 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:00:32 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 17:00:57 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 17:07:00 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 17:10:18 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 17:10:51 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 17:16:12 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 17:16:38 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 17:18:20 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 17:20:38 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 17:21:04 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 17:23:01 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 17:25:58 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 17:27:39 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:28:57 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 17:29:05 *** andythen_ has joined #openttd 17:29:12 <andythen_> o/ 17:29:58 <andythen_> 3/8 is not a good length eh :p 17:30:56 <andythen_> 2/8 is _really_ short 17:30:57 <frosch123> moo 17:30:59 <andythen_> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8515/Image%209.jpg 17:31:19 <Wolf01> Quak 17:31:29 <frosch123> backward vehicles 17:32:20 <andythen_> I quite like the 2/8 but the diagonal views will be wider than they are long :p 17:33:36 <andythen_> still...narrow gauge trains are small eh 17:37:00 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 17:38:40 <andythen_> http://www.009dutch.nl/cdr/main/foto/rollingstock/goods/pa137094.jpg 17:38:49 <andythen_> max reality 17:47:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that is your upper row of wagons? 17:47:23 <Cubey> What do 2/8, 3/8, 8/8 etc. refer to specifically? 17:47:35 *** Gja has quit IRC 17:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Cubey: a tile has 16 steps, 8 steps make one default wagon (half a tile) 17:48:22 <andythen_> eddi the upper row is current Iron Horse 17:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Cubey: but newgrfs can make shorter wagons 17:48:50 <andythen_> the lower row is one option I'm considering for narrow gauge re-scaled 17:48:53 <Cubey> So 2/8 literally means wagons a quarter the length of the defaults? 17:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> andythen_: i don't think those wagons serve as example for your lower ultra-short wagons 17:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Cubey: yes 17:49:23 <andythen_> eddi what's your rationale? 17:49:35 <Cubey> Wow, for some reason they don't look that small to me. Eyes playing tricks I guess 17:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Cubey: that's because the horizontal view is artificially stretched 17:50:12 <andythen_> gestalts scale in a way that makes true size hard to judge 17:50:23 <Cubey> Oh because it's really on a diagonal 17:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Cubey: because of weird perspective tricks in openttd, wagons in – view are longer than in / or \ view 17:51:33 <andythen_> http://www.gogeometry.com/mining/caterpillar_d11_d10_d9_d8_4.jpg 17:52:02 <Cubey> I know that trains look much longer when they are traveling along diagonal track, so it makes sense that that extends to the sprites themselves 17:52:24 <andythen_> dozer on left is twice the weight of the ones on the right 17:52:37 <andythen_> but shape is similar so very hard to judge 17:53:20 <Cubey> Looks are deceiving! 17:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "twice the weight" is not that much bigger, considering that weight scales cubed 17:54:25 <andythen_> it's more a point about judging size 17:54:34 <andythen_> ships have same challenge 17:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythen_: anyway, you should judge your wagons based on the / view 17:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause> andythen_: because that is what you see most in the game 17:55:22 <andythen_> 6px wide, 4px long? 17:55:27 <andythen_> weird much? 17:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the – view is mostly to look pretty in depots and lists 17:56:33 <andythen_> 2/8 is appealing for integer train lengths 17:56:38 <andythen_> but might look daft 17:57:17 <andythen_> 3/8 would look best, but...the integers :( 18:04:09 <andythen_> 8 * 3/8 wagons, 4/8 engine, 4/8 brake van 18:05:05 <andythen_> 2.0 tiles? o_O 18:05:29 *** Gja has joined #openttd 18:06:53 <andythen_> some of the other rosters will have 'bigger' narrow gauge, and it will be better to reuse sprites 18:07:02 <andythen_> so maybe bigger is better here 18:07:21 <andythen_> 4/8 is compatible with realisms 18:08:47 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 18:09:22 *** Progman has quit IRC 18:10:50 <andythen_> and this concludes today's length discussion :p 18:11:05 <andythen_> what's to be done about NRT? 18:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause> commit it? make a party? 18:12:12 <andythen_> good idea 18:12:21 <andythen_> it has fallen into a spec hole 18:17:43 <andythen_> if we broke newgrf spec more... 18:17:58 <andythen_> we could ship more recklessly :) 18:22:14 <andythen_> bbl 18:24:43 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 18:25:11 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 18:26:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 18:28:54 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 18:30:15 *** andythen_ has quit IRC 18:48:50 <Wolf01> Reboot 18:48:53 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 18:50:12 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 18:52:44 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:52:47 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 18:52:56 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 18:52:59 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 19:08:40 *** Alberth has left #openttd 19:08:47 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 19:24:17 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:30:10 *** Progman has joined #openttd 19:51:00 *** synchris has quit IRC 19:54:41 *** supermop_home has quit IRC 19:57:05 *** supermop has joined #openttd 20:04:52 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 20:08:01 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 20:08:42 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 20:09:16 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 20:11:15 *** mescalito has quit IRC 20:14:39 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 20:15:42 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 20:27:39 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 20:28:21 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:32:44 *** supermop has quit IRC 20:33:01 *** supermop has joined #openttd 20:38:46 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 20:39:15 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 20:45:36 *** Hiddenfunstuff has quit IRC 20:58:33 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 20:59:31 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 21:09:14 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:10:17 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 21:10:40 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:10:55 <andythenorth_> Wolf01 so finish current NRT, persuade someone to merge it? :) 21:11:42 <Wolf01> We should ask frosch 21:12:44 <andythenorth_> ok 21:18:25 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 21:31:14 *** Gja has joined #openttd 21:33:12 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 21:34:30 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 21:38:52 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:46:24 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:55:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:04:48 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:08:26 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 22:10:17 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 22:33:12 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 22:38:21 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 22:53:42 *** Celestar1 has quit IRC 23:07:00 *** Celestar has joined #openttd 23:16:03 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC