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12:50:23 <Wolf01> Tomorrow job talk 12:50:36 <Wolf01> It's a bit far away from home, but heh... 12:52:01 <dihedral> where? 12:52:08 <dihedral> what kind of job? 12:52:16 <Wolf01> Italy, developer 12:52:22 <dihedral> uh! 12:52:27 <dihedral> wow! 12:52:36 <dihedral> what makes you go there? 12:52:55 <Wolf01> Because I already live here :P 12:53:53 <__ln__> if we didn't have channel mode +c, we would see Wolf01 talking in the colors of the tricolori, and it would be more obvious 12:56:40 <dihedral> :-P 12:59:46 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 13:00:10 *** orudge` has quit IRC 13:00:14 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 13:00:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 13:00:20 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 13:01:21 <Wolf01> But is already the 5th talk for this year and I'm not fooling myself that I'll get the job 13:01:36 <__ln__> 5th talk at the same place? 13:01:40 <Wolf01> Nah 13:02:00 <Wolf01> Different companies 13:03:46 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 13:04:21 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 13:19:03 <supermop> Wolf01: my rule of thumb is generally 20+ applications to get 1 interview 13:19:17 <supermop> and 10+ interviews to get 1 offer 13:20:26 <supermop> maybe it is better in other cities/countries, but experience here seems to be that apart from getting hired right out of university, you need to apply to 200+ jobs to get one 13:20:46 <supermop> for my wife it is a bit less as she has a much more in demand skill 13:20:58 <supermop> but it is still like 60-100 13:21:32 <supermop> for me i have probably made about 160 applications this year 13:22:47 <supermop> i've had 6 interviews at companies 13:23:03 <supermop> and 2 with recruiters 13:23:08 <supermop> ;( 13:23:34 *** Flygon has quit IRC 13:30:40 <supermop> was not supposed to be winking sad face, but i'm going to go with it 13:46:54 <Wolf01> Here I need a lot more papers to get considered (master on something) but not too much because you will be discarded as you might cost too much, also there's the "apprentice with experience" monster which is what all companies want 13:49:31 <Wolf01> I'm only qualified in electronics and telecommunications, I tried to graduate in web development but I failed 13:49:36 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 13:52:41 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 13:54:16 <supermop> i find in the us, web developer jobs often do not need a degree in that field 13:54:26 <supermop> a lot of people are self taught 13:54:31 <supermop> i NYC at leat 13:54:42 <supermop> in SF/bay area it might be more demanding 13:54:56 <supermop> move to NYC! 13:55:05 <supermop> we have lots of ginger ale 13:55:12 <dihedral> supermop: my experience in the past 10 years was: 1 application for 1 interview and 1 job offer 13:55:44 <Wolf01> Here they look for graduates, a lot, I bet it's for the certification programs, then the actual slave could be a 19yo self taught, but they have a graduate in the team 13:55:56 <supermop> dihedral: that sounds unrealistic, except in cases where you have essentially been 'offered' the job before yu even apply 13:56:23 <dihedral> yup, but that was not the case 13:56:40 <supermop> here you might meet someone who then wants to hire someone like you, but they must make you go through the standard process to be allowed to hire you 13:57:09 <dihedral> small companies does the trick 13:57:22 <Wolf01> I got 2 offers before I sent my application, and then discarded because I could not be hired as apprentice 13:57:35 <dihedral> and it usually took less than 4 weeks to get the offer - in the best cases it only took 2 weeks. 13:57:54 <dihedral> Wolf01 where in italy do you live? 13:58:11 <Wolf01> My motto since then is: "Don't. Contact. Me. If. You. Already. Know. You. Won't. Hire. Me." 13:58:23 <Wolf01> dihedral: North-East 13:59:08 <dihedral> how far away is Bozen? 13:59:10 <supermop> dihedral: the one time i had a situation like that it still took like 2 months 13:59:23 <supermop> and the guy that offered the job owned the comapny 13:59:31 *** Keridos has quit IRC 13:59:39 <supermop> but still went through the long process 13:59:45 <dihedral> I am now in that position - we have an applicant here today :D 13:59:59 <Wolf01> <dihedral> how far away is Bozen? <- 80km iirc 14:01:05 <dihedral> perhaps siag might be interested 14:01:21 <dihedral> or "Freie Universität Bozen" 14:02:20 <Wolf01> "80km" yes, the last 80 ones... 253km the shortest one, 340km the quick one 14:03:08 <dihedral> :-D 14:03:14 <Wolf01> 3.3hours by car, 5 hours by train 14:03:31 <dihedral> what on earth made you go there in the first place :-D 14:03:48 <Wolf01> Oh, I'm not there, I'm near Venice 14:04:14 <dihedral> what made you go to italy in the first place 14:04:27 <Wolf01> I was born here 14:04:36 <dihedral> there is no shame in that, but still :-D 14:05:36 <Wolf01> The problem is that I live in the Bermuda circle of "there's nothing here", which is really a circle with 40km radius 14:07:36 <Wolf01> Also I feel a bit reluctant to leave my area, because it's peaceful (if you ignore the highway) 14:08:41 <Wolf01> Also, no money to leave... 14:09:04 <dihedral> so companies sponsor the move 14:09:09 <dihedral> some 14:10:04 <Wolf01> Ahahah, yes, when you already work for them :D 14:29:15 *** none has quit IRC 14:29:58 *** none has joined #openttd 14:30:04 *** rellig has quit IRC 14:30:54 *** orudge` has quit IRC 14:30:58 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 14:30:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 14:49:32 *** none has quit IRC 14:49:45 *** none has joined #openttd 15:00:34 *** Gja has joined #openttd 15:00:35 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:00:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:00:43 <Alberth> o/ 15:09:01 *** roidal has joined #openttd 15:15:46 <Wolf01> o/ 15:23:54 *** tokai has joined #openttd 15:23:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 15:26:48 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 15:30:27 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 15:42:01 <Wolf01> http://store.steampowered.com/app/674400/Einar/ similar to: Factorio... yes totally similar 15:46:08 <Wolf01> Another one, and another one too... turn based fantasy 3d strategy similar to turn based space 4x, puzzle game with gems totally similar to trains puzzle game... wtf steam 16:17:12 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:51:10 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:51:14 <andythenorth> o/ 16:51:36 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:51:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:55:26 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:03:08 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:05:51 <Wolf01> o/ quak 17:06:38 <frosch123> hoi 17:11:05 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:20:05 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 17:30:26 *** Gja has quit IRC 17:32:59 <supermop> yo 17:40:20 *** orudge` has quit IRC 17:40:24 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 17:40:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 17:41:19 *** rellig has joined #openttd 17:43:10 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:48:14 *** none has quit IRC 17:48:18 *** none has joined #openttd 17:48:37 *** none has quit IRC 17:48:46 *** none has joined #openttd 17:57:06 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:00:50 *** rellig has quit IRC 18:03:35 <andythenorth> is cat 18:05:40 <Alberth> possibly 18:06:53 <frosch123> don't worry, we alreadyknew 18:07:11 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 18:07:14 <andythenorth> has filed report? 18:13:53 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 18:15:36 *** Gja has quit IRC 18:16:06 <andythenorth> one day 18:16:09 <andythenorth> a new gamescript 18:16:31 *** rellig has joined #openttd 18:17:54 <andythenorth> hmm 18:18:12 <andythenorth> there’s no generic delimiter to an industry chain 18:18:38 <andythenorth> if all the edges ultimately go to a black hole, that’s a discrete chain 18:19:04 <andythenorth> but if the edges link back to primaries (e.g. supplies)…then it’s cyclical 18:20:13 <frosch123> that's why they are not drawn in the graphviz pictures 18:20:31 <andythenorth> I had an idea for a deliberately crude industry GS 18:20:44 <andythenorth> it relies on starting a map with no industries 18:21:05 <andythenorth> and then it just funds a bunch of primaries and the next 2 levels of secondary 18:21:22 <andythenorth> and if you service enough of the ones it built, you get the next levels, or a new chain 18:22:36 *** roidal has quit IRC 18:22:59 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest6068 18:23:01 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:23:57 <frosch123> you can detect primaries just fine 18:24:38 <andythenorth> yes 18:24:49 <andythenorth> I wondered how to model chains as a graph 18:25:07 * andythenorth has only rudimentary understanding of graphs :P 18:25:38 <andythenorth> maybe Eddi|zuHause could write a GS generator in python :P 18:26:41 *** Guest6068 has quit IRC 18:39:10 <supermop> ultimately i think you need to dump stuff on towns and somehow make that a goal 18:39:19 <andythenorth> probably 18:39:24 <supermop> like every other gs 18:39:28 <andythenorth> I like the idea of testing crude mechanics 18:39:41 * andythenorth wonders seriously about python GS generator 18:40:00 <andythenorth> and generating directly from FIRS source 18:40:11 <andythenorth> or consuming json 18:50:38 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 19:04:14 <Alberth> just start with mine-ish industries, then try building new industries that accept what is produced at the map 19:04:49 <Alberth> where at some point you also need to build more of the same industry, to grow in production capacity 19:05:17 <Alberth> GS has no file-io capabilities 19:05:36 <Alberth> generate the GS itself instead :p 19:10:44 <andythenorth> yes :) 19:10:48 <andythenorth> that was my intent 19:10:55 <andythenorth> ‘intent’ / ‘idea’ /s 19:11:01 * andythenorth has projects enough :P 19:31:51 *** none has quit IRC 19:32:07 *** none has joined #openttd 19:32:29 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 19:38:22 <supermop> start with farms and forests 19:44:59 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:52:14 *** orudge` has quit IRC 19:52:18 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 19:52:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 19:59:37 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 20:03:07 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:18:05 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 20:22:46 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 20:23:49 *** Alberth has quit IRC 20:25:42 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 20:32:39 <andythenorth> intermodal cars: refit everything (realistic), refit only express (gameplay restriction), or refit everything except bulk (semi-realistic) 20:32:39 <andythenorth> ?? 20:35:31 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 20:36:34 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:48:35 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ... everything 21:37:32 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:41:55 <FLHerne> Everything, but with lower capacity than specialised vehicles when available> 21:44:07 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 21:45:23 <supermop> everything, but you have to return the empty tanktainers and open tops 22:18:51 <Wolf01> Everything but change idea tomorrow 22:36:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:15:46 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 23:19:16 *** orudge` has quit IRC 23:19:20 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 23:19:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 23:21:48 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 23:22:18 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 23:27:50 *** debdog has quit IRC 23:32:56 *** debdog has joined #openttd 23:33:56 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:41:26 *** Laedek has quit IRC 23:44:15 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 23:47:33 *** Laedek has quit IRC 23:51:40 *** Montana has joined #openttd 23:53:20 *** debdog has quit IRC 23:55:03 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 23:57:26 *** orudge` has quit IRC 23:57:30 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 23:57:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 23:58:47 *** debdog has joined #openttd