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Are you a translator? 14:50:17 <Samu> sometimes, i translated about 5% of it, 14:51:05 <Samu> what i like to do most is test AIs 14:52:56 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 14:54:34 <iSoSyS> oh? Didn't know that was a thing. But, it makes sense 14:56:31 *** Gja has joined #openttd 14:56:52 <Samu> i created some patches, but they're not really taken into much consideration 14:56:55 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:57:17 <Samu> then again, I am not a real coder 15:08:14 <Samu> CluelessPlus 15:08:23 <Samu> 138 aircraft for 10 airports... :( 15:08:28 <Samu> on a 128x128 map 15:13:44 *** efess has joined #openttd 15:19:14 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 15:26:08 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 15:31:25 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 15:32:09 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:32:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:32:33 <Alberth> o/ 15:33:52 <supermop_work> yo 15:50:51 <Samu> DictatorAI picks aircraft with the worst reliability 15:50:55 <Samu> or so it seems 15:52:18 <Samu> nevermind, i don't get dictatorai choices 15:52:30 <Samu> dinger 100 for intercontinental airports? 16:04:59 *** Gja has quit IRC 16:11:42 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:32:37 *** Breckett has quit IRC 16:49:42 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 16:59:50 *** Breckett has joined #openttd 17:01:14 *** Alberth has left #openttd 17:03:38 <Samu> I got a crash 17:03:44 <Samu> openttd 1.7.2 crash https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6668 17:03:58 <Samu> looking for crash expert, to figure what happened 17:12:34 *** alluke has joined #openttd 17:13:39 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 17:14:00 *** synchris has joined #openttd 17:20:24 *** efess has quit IRC 17:24:27 *** Breckett has quit IRC 17:34:50 <alluke> is there any tool that lets me open a newgrf and change one sprite and save? 17:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean grfcodec? 17:39:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:40:34 <Borg> alluke: you need to decode grf... change whatever you want.. and encode it bacl 17:40:38 <Borg> back I mean 17:40:45 <Borg> grfcoded will do 17:40:49 <Borg> grfcodec 17:40:51 <Borg> damn typos ;) 17:55:14 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 17:56:51 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:56:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:58:23 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:08:38 <Samu> Exclusive Transport Rights Battle! Terron vs NoNoCAB 18:09:51 <alluke> uh 18:10:07 <alluke> cannot get it work on wine 18:10:07 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:10:14 <alluke> there isnt native mac version 18:10:23 <Wolf01> Evenink 18:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause> there's wineconsole, try that 18:22:51 <alluke> grfmaker cannot open grf files 18:23:49 <alluke> lord 18:23:50 <supermop_work> use nmlc 18:24:28 <alluke> 1995 called and wanted its text interface back 18:27:10 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 18:27:20 <alluke> -bash: GRFCODEC: command not found 18:29:37 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 18:30:03 <alluke> doesnt recognize any commands 18:40:56 <supermop_work> grfcodec is gonna be worse than nmlc if you are worried about living in the 90s 18:42:12 <supermop_work> also my data scientist wife seems to spend all her time working in a 'nix terminal and she's younger than me 18:42:41 <supermop_work> so it's probably less outdated than someone's idea of a gui from many years ago 18:42:55 <debdog> terminals are great, I usually have at least four of them on my desktop 18:44:03 <alluke> theyre great when they work 18:44:31 <alluke> should i now dl 10 gb of dev tools to compile one binary 18:44:39 <supermop_work> uh 18:45:47 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27967 trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt (2018-01-23 19:45:40 +0100 ) 18:45:48 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 18:45:49 <DorpsGek> portuguese: 2 changes by Samu 18:47:03 <alluke> linux version doesnt run 18:47:13 <alluke> windows version runs on wine but doesnt accept any commands 18:48:48 <alluke> cannot set the grf file nor directory 18:50:34 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 18:50:34 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 19:02:14 <LordAro> alluke: why doesn't it run? 19:02:31 <LordAro> (i.e. what is the error message) 19:02:48 <LordAro> and grfmaker has been broken for the better part of a decade 19:02:51 <alluke> says command not found 19:02:59 <LordAro> alluke: well. 19:03:06 <LordAro> what do you suppose that means? 19:03:11 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 19:03:12 <alluke> -bash: grfcodec: command not found 19:03:34 <alluke> typed in grfcodec -d mygrf.grf 19:04:15 <LordAro> and where is grfcodec executable? 19:04:17 <Borg> alluke: ./grfcodec 19:04:24 <alluke> same folder as mygrf.grf 19:04:29 <Borg> not grfcodec... *nix systems doesnt have "." in PATH 19:04:29 <LordAro> Borg: teach a man to fish... 19:04:37 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 19:04:43 <Borg> LordAro: im sorry 19:04:46 <Borg> I stfu now 19:04:49 <Samu> i'm trying to have 14 AIs competing using aircraft only 19:04:50 <Borg> OpenTTD time! 19:05:05 <Samu> all together 19:05:23 <Samu> towns are all cities, with 10x size multiplier 19:05:38 <alluke> -bash: /grfcodec: No such file or directory 19:06:10 <Samu> and thus windows was invented 19:06:59 <LordAro> alluke: grfcodec executable is not in the root directory 19:07:04 <LordAro> it is in the current directory 19:07:15 <LordAro> what Borg said was not typoed 19:07:26 <alluke> ottd root? 19:08:05 <LordAro> alluke: no, system root 19:08:17 <alluke> uh 19:08:41 <Borg> ppl really should start using computers from command prompt.. 19:08:44 <alluke> how is that possible on moder oses 19:08:46 <LordAro> alluke: let's go back a step 19:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: so what do you think is the difference between /grfcodec and ./grfcodec? 19:09:20 <Borg> guys, I admire your patience.. really... 19:09:26 <alluke> . is system files 19:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> not really 19:09:58 <LordAro> Borg: we were all new once 19:10:37 <Borg> yeah.. I spent shitload of time helping ppl on IRC.. in mid 90's 19:10:37 <Samu> c:\folder1\folder2\grfcodecfolder\grfcodec -d d:\folder3\folder4\folderwithmygrf\mygrf.grf 19:10:51 <Borg> its not the case.. now.. I see ppl barely want to learn 19:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Borg: the world never runs out of clueless people 19:11:01 <LordAro> alluke: more specifically, files beginning with '.' are "hidden" files 19:11:17 <alluke> that too for same reason 19:12:01 <Samu> '.' is the current dir for me :( 19:12:05 <LordAro> alluke: anyway, the bit of knowledge you're missing, "." refers to the current directory 19:12:15 <LordAro> (and ".." is the parent directory) 19:13:03 <Samu> i don't know what is bash though 19:13:08 <LordAro> and unlike windows, on linux "." is not (normally) used to find executables 19:13:22 <alluke> i know 19:13:30 <LordAro> so you have to specify the path to the executable 19:13:42 <alluke> all other unix binaries run and work fine from any folder 19:13:54 <Alkel_U3> alluke: it will be usefull knowledge anyway, so I recommend reading through a thorough explanation of the matter, like here http://teaching.idallen.com/cst8207/12f/notes/160_pathnames.html 19:14:09 <Samu> do you even DOS? 19:14:16 <LordAro> alluke: yes, because they're in /usr/bin, or /bin, or something 19:14:24 <LordAro> grfcodec is not in those places 19:14:24 <Alkel_U3> chapter 8 is the most relevant here 19:14:24 *** synchris has quit IRC 19:14:30 <LordAro> Samu: this is linux, not windows 19:15:16 <alluke> no they are not. one is currently running from my default downloads folder because i was too lazy to move it 19:15:35 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 19:15:42 <Samu> i dunno how linux manages drives, or folders, they don't even make sense 19:15:58 <LordAro> alluke: interesting 19:16:15 <LordAro> what's the output of `echo $PATH` ? 19:16:36 <alluke> GRFCODEC * Copy it into your TTD directory * to decode a GRF file: grfcodec -d <grf-file> This will put a pcx file in a subdirectory called "sprites". It will also make a .NFO file that is needed to reconstruct the GRF file. 19:17:02 <Samu> 'echo $PATH' -> $PATH 19:17:14 <LordAro> that is not what i judt ast asked 19:17:20 <LordAro> Samu: linux, not windows 19:17:40 <LordAro> although last i checked, windows does have a $PATH variable 19:18:05 <supermop_work> is there an openttd for actual dos? 19:18:20 <LordAro> i think win9x still builds... 19:18:27 <Samu> C:\Users\José>echo %path% C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\Wind owsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static 19:18:42 <LordAro> Samu: ah yes, that's how you do it on windows 19:20:02 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:20:10 <Wolf01> o/ 19:20:33 <Samu> what's the equivalient of a C: drive in linux? 19:21:22 <LordAro> / 19:21:41 <Borg> well... 19:21:49 <Borg> its not that easy I think 19:21:55 <LordAro> assumign C: is the boot drive 19:21:58 <Borg> nothing stops u to have system drive as D: 19:22:12 <alluke> @andythenorth how did you manage to run grfcodec on wine? 19:22:20 <LordAro> Borg: now what is the equivalent of C:\Windows ? :p 19:22:28 <Borg> none 19:22:31 <andythenorth> alluke: can't remember 19:22:34 <Alkel_U3> or echo $ENV:PATH :-) 19:22:51 <Alkel_U3> (also windows) 19:23:07 <alluke> do you use mac compiled version nowadays? 19:23:12 <andythenorth> yes 19:23:23 <LordAro> alluke: since you're apparently not interesting in learning, you want "./grfcodec -d mygrf.grf", running from the directory grfcodec executable is in 19:23:23 <andythenorth> I do not remember ever using wine 19:23:25 <alluke> would you mind sharing it please? 19:23:53 <alluke> @LordAro tried that, it seems that its some fail in wine and not grfcodec itself 19:24:08 <LordAro> alluke: ... you've been trying this in wine the whole time? 19:24:10 <Eddi|zuHause> <supermop_work> is there an openttd for actual dos? <-- there used to be a dosbox, but it was unclear whether that only ever ran in a dosbox or actual real dos 19:24:13 <LordAro> don't do that 19:24:18 <Samu> mygrf.grf must be in the same dir, right? 19:24:21 <LordAro> an actual terminal window, please 19:24:22 <Eddi|zuHause> *dos port 19:24:25 <alluke> didnt i mention it? 19:24:27 <andythenorth> I don't know how I get grfcodec 19:24:28 <LordAro> Samu: unless you specify the path 19:24:37 <andythenorth> probably I just compile it, dunno 19:24:46 <LordAro> path/to/executable/mygrf.grf 19:25:04 <Samu> yeah, kinda like in windows... sucks to get all the correct path names for these kind of programs 19:25:21 <alluke> you have the compiled binary on your computer 19:25:42 <LordAro> Samu: you can get linux subsystem for windows these days, i'd recommend playing around with it 19:25:49 <LordAro> alluke: do you not? 19:25:55 <alluke> nope 19:26:16 <Borg> oh right.. if you have Win10 ? right? 19:26:16 <Samu> screw command line programs! 19:26:22 <Borg> Samu: be quiet.. 19:26:23 <Samu> they're archaic 19:26:24 <Borg> or I will slap you 19:26:25 <Borg> ;) 19:26:25 <Samu> ok 19:26:32 <LordAro> alluke: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-grfcodec why not 19:26:32 <Borg> terminal rulez.. period 19:26:35 <Borg> ;) 19:26:59 <Borg> CTCP VERSION reply from Samu: qwebirc v0.92 19:27:01 <Borg> right..... 19:27:09 <Borg> at least you are consistent 19:27:13 <Borg> ;) 19:27:17 <alluke> @LordAro i dont have the dev tools required for compiling shit myself 19:28:49 <Samu> I use microsoft visual studio c++ whatever 2015, whatever the name 19:28:53 <LordAro> alluke: there's nothing in that download you have to compile yourself 19:29:08 <alluke> there is 19:29:19 <alluke> only windows and linux binaries exist 19:29:20 <alluke> not mac 19:29:56 <alluke> ill just make request thread on the forums and hope somebody is kind enough to share their mac binary 19:30:04 <Samu> and tortoise something to get trunks 19:30:15 <LordAro> alluke: ooh 19:30:20 <Samu> not familiar with terminology 19:30:29 <LordAro> why on earth did you not say you were on mac? 19:30:51 <supermop_work> man i am so bored 19:31:05 <LordAro> supermop_work: teach Samu how linux works 19:31:12 <LordAro> i'd imagine that'll take a few hours 19:31:18 <LordAro> :p 19:31:18 <supermop_work> LordAro: ok first teach me 19:31:29 <supermop_work> never really used it myself 19:31:40 <supermop_work> wife usually just uses osx 19:31:40 <Alkel_U3> LordAro: after I saw how WSL fares with running daemons and does kinda surprising stuff I don't think I'd recommend it to somebody as the first contact. Cygwin is still less painful IMHO 19:31:44 <Samu> no, i dont want linux. The linux thatI remember gave me nightmares 19:32:34 <supermop_work> i fried my tolerance for drawing restaurant details by working til late at night on it over the past 5 days 19:32:55 <Samu> back in the day of floppy drives, I had no idea how to save my work on it, on a linux system 19:33:08 <Samu> so i failed class 19:33:14 <supermop_work> now im just staring at this ceiling plan and re-positioning lights feels like walking in lead boots 19:34:23 <Samu> there was no A: on linux 19:35:02 <Borg> Samu: hahahahha :D 19:35:06 <Borg> wonderfull story :D 19:35:36 <andythenorth> alluke: just compile grcodec 19:35:36 <Samu> yeah, it's a bit sad 19:35:50 <Borg> andythenorth: yeah.. right.. like its easy.. ;) 19:36:04 <Borg> like there is button to press: compile grfcodec 19:36:04 <Borg> ;) 19:36:13 <andythenorth> 'make' 19:36:13 <LordAro> supermop_work: ono 19:36:18 <LordAro> Alkel_U3: maybe 19:36:25 <Borg> andythenorth: does MAC come w/ all tools preinstalled? 19:36:27 <LordAro> i've never used it in anger myself 19:36:34 <andythenorth> no 19:36:36 <Borg> also.. u need to type it in terminal.. ;) 19:36:41 <andythenorth> shocking 19:37:04 <andythenorth> if one can't compile grfcodec, one has no business trying to write bytecode 19:37:05 <andythenorth> imho 19:37:29 <Borg> well.. for me it is.. but novdays.. linux distros went in that direction too.. like windows... they install binary stuff only.. no headers.. no libs.. no compilers.. 19:37:32 <Borg> crap 19:37:37 <andythenorth> that might be pot->kettle, not sure I could compile grfcodec when I started 19:37:40 <Borg> nahkiss: hehe.. true :) 19:37:58 <Borg> s/nahkiss/andythenorth/ 19:38:01 <Borg> damn typos.. 19:39:39 <Samu> SimpleAI is leading! 19:39:54 <andythenorth> anyway, install xcode, install anything from ports try, compile, then install or symlink or add to path 19:39:56 <andythenorth> job done 19:39:57 <Samu> the aircraft competition vs 13 other AIs 19:40:02 <andythenorth> try / tree /s 19:40:50 <alluke> btw the heqs foundtr transporters cannot carry other metals than steel in steeltown 19:41:00 <alluke> foundry* 19:41:41 <andythenorth> seems reasonable 19:41:44 <andythenorth> HEQS is dead / done 19:41:55 <andythenorth> it no longer has a maintainer 19:42:02 <andythenorth> unless you can persuade Eddi|zuHause to patch it again 19:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause> again? 19:42:41 <supermop_work> andythenorth: i've been playing a good 1980s 128x128 steeltown game lately 19:42:53 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: https://www.openttd.org/en/download-grfcodec 19:43:00 <andythenorth> oops bad paste https://www.openttd.org/en/download-grfcodec 19:43:05 <supermop_work> haha 19:43:07 <andythenorth> nope my keyboard is broken again 19:43:11 <LordAro> amazing 19:43:11 <andythenorth> mac keyboards no longer work 19:43:14 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions 19:43:18 <andythenorth> it's fantastic 19:43:27 <andythenorth> computer costs 200% more than similar brands 19:43:29 <andythenorth> but keys don't work 19:43:35 <andythenorth> don't buy a mac laptop 19:43:48 <Borg> ;) 19:44:00 <andythenorth> after 20 years of mac use, I no longer recommend 19:44:05 <supermop_work> buy a surface 19:44:07 <Samu> SimpleAI was the first to 200 aircraft 19:44:12 <Samu> cap is 200 19:44:19 <andythenorth> I am considering abandoning computers 19:44:25 <supermop_work> andythenorth: has jony made a rose mbp yet? 19:44:32 <Borg> andythenorth: da fuck? :D what made u think so? 19:44:40 <Borg> andythenorth: u know that im using atm? 19:44:53 <andythenorth> no I do not 19:44:58 <LordAro> all software is awful, tbf 19:45:00 <Borg> im on workstation.. running Win2003 :) 19:45:07 <LordAro> i can certainly sympathise 19:45:16 <supermop_work> does openttd run on apple watch? 19:45:24 <LordAro> Borg: and youbare a bad person and you deserve the botnet you ar epart of 19:45:34 <andythenorth> the icon probably works on watch 19:45:36 <Borg> LordAro: botnet?! nuhauhauha... 19:45:51 <Borg> LordAro: first.. im double firewalled.. 19:45:59 <Borg> Linux GW.... WIPFW on workstation 19:46:02 <supermop_work> my new boss takes phonecalls on his apple watch 19:46:11 <supermop_work> like he's dick fucking tracy 19:46:13 <Borg> second.. I have other stuff runing here.. to take care of my security 19:46:16 <supermop_work> on speaker 19:46:28 <LordAro> Borg: yes, becausr that's good practice 19:46:33 <LordAro> *typos 19:46:38 <supermop_work> sorry if your kids're about 19:47:29 <Borg> and im happy running it.. its fast.. its under my control... 19:47:52 <Borg> the only problem is.... software slowly start to not here.. as more and more shit gets compiled for Win7+ 19:48:03 <Borg> not work here I mean.. 19:49:00 <supermop_work> andythenorth: i fear that ive has too much nfluence at apple these days 19:50:13 <alluke> @andythenorth were the foundtry transporters coded to use cargo labels like dump trucks do? 19:50:38 <supermop_work> ive is the type of designer that can produce sublime work when forced into layers and layers of constraints by engineers and a savy boss, but once running things himself tends towards faux loosian indulgent nonsense 19:52:03 <supermop_work> kind of love that i have nfc who designs pixel 19:52:40 <supermop_work> the design is fine, the design is important, but the designer is not 19:53:47 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 19:54:24 <Borg> hmm FIRS 3.0 uses passengers to boost production? 19:54:31 <supermop_work> all that said, wife has decided to buy another mbp 19:54:33 <Borg> Just idea came in w/ a friend.. playing on server... 19:54:47 <Borg> that all industry needs passengers.. to produce anything.. 19:54:49 <supermop_work> we can use the usb C charger to charge our pixels.... 19:55:05 <Borg> probably hard to do w/ factory 19:55:11 <supermop_work> the little strip thing is so dumb though 19:55:15 <Borg> as its already uses all 3 cargo slots 19:56:11 <supermop_work> Borg: it does not, but mczapkie has a firs 2 fork that does 19:56:24 <Borg> so needs to be splited to 2 factories then.. 19:56:28 <Borg> oh. lets see 19:56:48 <supermop_work> spi is another firs 2 fork that does 19:57:09 <Borg> yeah.. I know it.. stockpile industries 19:58:48 <Borg> would make kinda hard.. to start... interesting 20:00:47 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 20:01:29 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 20:01:37 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 20:07:08 <Samu> https://imgur.com/yuvFSvs 20:07:16 <Samu> discuss 20:12:58 <Samu> no comments? 20:14:55 *** Mahjong2 has quit IRC 20:15:05 <Borg> Samu: if you like to play w/ AI... start writing one yourself? 20:15:09 <Borg> also.. take a look at Grobots. 20:15:13 <Borg> its barely alive.. but fun. 20:15:43 <Samu> hmm me writing an ai, hmm 20:16:02 <Samu> more likely to copy paste from others and call it my ai lol 20:17:37 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 20:18:08 <andythenorth> alluke: they probably use labels 20:22:34 <andythenorth> Samu: write an AI that is NRT aware, and use it for regressions on the NRT fork 20:22:47 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I wondered if next step is to allow overbuilding any town road 20:22:55 <Wolf01> Yes 20:23:01 <andythenorth> working very atomically 20:23:14 <andythenorth> I stand more chance of being able to help with the code if we break it into tiny steps 20:23:26 <andythenorth> I can barely assemble complex stuff in python 20:23:29 <andythenorth> never mind C++ 20:26:03 <Wolf01> road_cmd.cpp -> CmdConvertRoad 20:27:46 <andythenorth> seems CheckAllowRemoveRoad also might need considered 20:27:53 <andythenorth> unless overbuilding town takes ownership 20:29:21 <Wolf01> Let convert only normal roads, not station tiles? Convert station tiles too? 20:31:06 <andythenorth> hmm 20:31:06 <andythenorth> I would assume stations 20:31:07 <andythenorth> but testing a crude patch is better than arguing it out :) 20:31:22 <Wolf01> L2323 if (owner != OWNER_NONE) { <- add OWNER_TOWN 20:31:22 <andythenorth> stations I think are fiddly 20:31:25 <andythenorth> but not bad 20:31:44 <andythenorth> if the station was built on a non-ROAD roadtype, it will have an owner 20:31:50 <andythenorth> if it was built as part of tram, converting is fine 20:31:54 <supermop_work> currently you can build stations to convert town roads 20:32:00 <andythenorth> interesting 20:32:17 <Wolf01> Yes, I knew that 20:32:21 <supermop_work> its one way to try to get some trolleybus wires up in towns 20:32:41 <Wolf01> Too bad it doesn't work for crossings :D 20:32:55 <Samu> Wormnest: hi there 20:33:21 <supermop_work> in tto you could destroy a non-owned road if you build a level crossing over it 20:33:44 <Wolf01> Yes, competitors roads too iirc 20:34:06 <Samu> WormAI is slowly approaching first place in profits 20:34:07 <supermop_work> but i agree with andy, what exactly is/should be allowed is less important that just picking someting and testing it 20:34:18 <supermop_work> afterall that's the whole point of nrt 20:34:59 <Samu> bridge tile type 20:35:04 <Samu> station tile type 20:35:12 <Samu> and i think rail tile type 20:35:16 <Samu> all have roads 20:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> <supermop_work> in tto you could destroy a non-owned road if you build a level crossing over it <-- unfortunately the AI tended to build weird circles when it couldn't find a route, and you can't put rails onto crossings or curves 20:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> so you had no way of removing those abominations 20:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and the AI never removed roads 20:37:38 <supermop_work> Eddi|zuHause: maybe it was a defense mechanism 20:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it mostly happened around diagonal rails 20:38:12 <Wormnest> Samu: That good to know :) 20:38:14 <Eddi|zuHause> because it couldn't bridge over them 20:38:15 <Samu> Terron is current number 1 20:38:27 <Samu> did u look at screenshot link? 20:38:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and tunnels were too advanced 20:39:01 <Samu> WormAI has rised to number 2 20:39:08 <Samu> SimpleAI dropped to number 3 20:39:32 <Samu> Clueless is number 4 20:39:37 <Samu> TracAI is number 5 20:40:05 <Wormnest> Well WormAI is not the fastest starter but is good in the long run 20:40:51 <Samu> it's gonna be tough to beat Terron 20:41:08 <Samu> he's at 180 aircraft, wormai is at 194, and the limit is 200 20:41:17 <Samu> i don't think it will make it 20:41:43 <Wormnest> WormAI tries to optimize things when it´s close to the limit 20:42:07 <Samu> oki, le'ts wait then 20:42:12 <Wormnest> Meaning sell aircraft that have the lowest profits and buy ones for other routes 20:43:39 <Samu> it's a fight between AirTaxi A33 and Bakewell Lucket LB-11 from what i see 20:44:39 <Wormnest> no idea 20:46:20 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 20:46:43 <andythenorth> ok I made an assert happen 20:46:46 <andythenorth> "progress" 20:46:55 <Samu> Terron with AirTaxi A33 (220p, 20m, 100% reliability) versus WormAI with their Bakewell Luckett LB-11 (230p, 25m, 91% reliablity) 20:47:14 <Wolf01> andythenorth: L2347 too 20:47:14 <andythenorth> Message: Assertion failed at line 113 of NotRoadTypes/src/core/pool_type.hpp: index < this->first_unused 20:47:29 <Wolf01> Then it works :P 20:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the good news is that you're using a debug build 20:48:04 <andythenorth> so it does 20:48:05 <andythenorth> I'm glad supermop_work made that grf :P 20:48:07 <andythenorth> to test with 20:48:38 <supermop_work> which grf 20:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so... some game works in wine-staging 2.20, but not in wine 3.0 20:49:03 <Wolf01> Unspooled I think :D 20:49:07 <andythenorth> unspooled I think 20:49:08 <andythenorth> grfs are all alike to me :P 20:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> what feature is missing? 20:49:23 <andythenorth> 'compatibility' ? 20:49:33 <andythenorth> Wolf01: that's done then? :P 20:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> also, neither of those actually manage to run the game in DX11 mode 20:50:12 <Wolf01> andythenorth: could be, but you need to check if the road has the right owner 20:51:00 <andythenorth> yeah currently I can overbuild other people's roads 20:51:08 <andythenorth> testing by switch companies 20:55:19 <Samu> 185 vs 200 20:55:47 <Samu> Terron still leading, but WormAI is close 20:56:12 *** Breckett has joined #openttd 21:04:17 <Samu> hmm wormAI has some Dinger 1000 mixed with the LB-11 21:04:46 <Samu> terron still using AirTaxi A33 on all 200 21:04:57 <Samu> erm, not 200, 185 21:06:10 <Samu> an aircraft crash for Terron! 21:06:29 <Samu> that might be the opportunity for WormAI to get ahead 21:06:36 <Samu> do be doo :o 21:08:57 <Samu> yeah, wormai is current number 1 21:09:15 <Samu> taking a screenshot 21:09:43 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 21:10:59 <Samu> https://imgur.com/3q6Jfl2 Wormnest 21:11:14 <Samu> meanwhile, NoNoCAB isn't doing that well 21:11:54 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 21:12:18 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 21:13:32 <Wormnest> nice 21:14:08 <Samu> Clueless seemed strong, but i dunno what happened to it 21:14:24 <Samu> SimpleAI also 21:14:31 <Samu> the dark blue is simpleAI 21:17:11 <Samu> terron is ahead again :( 21:17:14 <Samu> lel 21:17:15 <Wormnest> It probably doesn´t do much when it reaches the aircraft limit 21:19:42 <Borg> really.. OpenTTD pathfinder takes me sometimes by suprise.. 21:20:33 <Samu> A sudden rise of AdmiralAI, beware...he seems to be going straight to number 1, let's see 21:20:34 <Borg> two paths.. basicaly the same... yet trains preffer to do crossing to switch.. da fuck 21:21:52 <Borg> the fun part is.. 21:22:16 <Borg> it worked well.. and suddenly.. trains started to prefer other track.. like other got damaged or sth.. 21:22:22 <Borg> no changes were made to tracks 21:24:13 <Borg> I really miss cost calculation debug tool.... 21:24:47 <Borg> pathfinder cost I mean 21:25:36 <Samu> :) 21:26:00 <Borg> anyone want to take a look? 21:26:05 <Borg> its on server... 21:28:19 <Borg> aaaaaah 21:28:25 <Borg> there is change!!! 21:28:39 <Borg> city made a road to the track 21:28:44 <Borg> so there is road crossing 21:29:23 <Borg> lets RTFS.. maybe yapf.rail_crossing_penalty will fix it 21:31:53 <Borg> lets se it to 0.... 21:32:27 <Samu> Syntrans is doing a "FULL UPGRADE"... Yate Haugan to Dinger 1000 21:32:33 <Samu> scary 21:32:52 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:32:53 <Samu> stops all aircraft one by one 21:33:02 <Samu> don't these guys ever heard of autoreplace? 21:33:07 <Samu> :( 21:33:28 <Borg> yeah.. this fixed the issue 21:33:31 <Borg> damn cities.... ;) 21:37:08 <Wolf01> 'night 21:37:08 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:37:13 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:37:39 <Samu> WormAI retakes number 1 21:37:53 <Samu> AdmiralAI is getting real close to being number 2 21:38:24 <Samu> seems that everybody is switching to Dinger 200 / 1000 21:40:39 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:42:18 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 21:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause> 100 is a better value 21:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you can forbid towns to build crossings 21:49:03 <Borg> Eddi|zuHause: nah. I dont care if trains will masacre busses ;D 21:49:41 <Borg> there is no reason why we should avoid crossings.. just breaks my pathfinder... :) 21:51:12 <Samu> Syntrans is still upgrading his entire fleet :( 21:51:14 <Samu> so slow 21:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Borg: still to treat it like a normal rail tile it should be 100 21:54:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 21:54:48 <Samu> should be 100 indeed 21:55:01 <Samu> to be neutral about it 21:55:45 <Borg> ahh ok 21:55:47 <Borg> thx 21:56:35 <Borg> lets check 21:56:51 <Samu> Terron is mass selling stuff... hmmm i wonder why 21:57:30 <Samu> meanwhile, AdmiralAI takes 2nd place, really close to number 1 21:57:38 <Samu> wormai, beware 21:58:22 <Borg> yeah. 100 does work too 21:59:44 <Borg> but in OneTileCost() I see cost=0 22:00:40 <Samu> there's many costs 22:00:46 <Samu> costs aka penalties 22:01:17 <Borg> yapf.rail_curve45_penalty = 100 22:01:28 <Borg> also. I think curve45 is more annoying that crossing 22:01:41 <Borg> so 0 seems better after all imo 22:02:07 <Samu> the penalty is added together with others 22:02:13 <Borg> I know 22:02:23 <Borg> so to ignore crossing at all. it should be 0 22:02:24 <Borg> not 100 22:02:59 <Samu> holy crap, AdmiralAI is number 1 22:03:05 *** Borg has quit IRC 22:05:03 <Samu> Wormnest: https://imgur.com/qTVfVKi 22:05:13 <Samu> much is happening soon 22:05:33 <Samu> weird SynTrans finally managed to put all Dinger 1000's running 22:05:48 <Samu> and i dunno wtf is happening to Terron 22:06:43 <Wormnest> Oh well still doing good anyway Admiral is a good one too 22:07:04 <Samu> omg, SynTrans is skyrocketing yet again, really close to 2nd place 22:08:26 <Samu> TracAI 3rd place was short-lived 22:08:49 <Samu> fell down to 5th 22:08:53 <Samu> Terron is 4th 22:10:47 <Samu> looking at Terron log, he appears to be changing from AirTaxi A33 to Dinger 200 22:12:17 <Samu> After years of decreases, Clueless has an increase 22:12:22 <Samu> hmm :) 22:12:26 <Samu> a good increase 22:13:59 <Samu> NoNoCAB vs Clueless 22:14:08 <Samu> battle intensifies 22:15:25 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:15:37 <Samu> forget it, Clueless went ahead 22:15:53 <Samu> Clueless is now closer to TracAI 22:16:04 <Samu> SimpleAI keeps falling 22:22:53 <Samu> WormAI back to number 1 22:23:47 <Samu> SynTrans didn't have what it takes to get number 2 :( still number 3, clueless is the new number 4 22:24:33 <Samu> and SynTrans just reached 200 aircraft 22:28:31 <Wormnest> You sound like a radio reporter for a sports game :p 22:28:51 <Samu> hah 22:30:08 <Samu> Trans method of building an airport is something like "try placing it in every tile around the town until it succeeds!" 22:32:10 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 22:34:55 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:35:11 <Samu> AdmiralAI reaches 200 aircraft 22:36:01 <Samu> Terron is down to 93 aircraft, i really don't get this AI 22:36:52 <Samu> he's great, but suddenly starts doing weird stuff and leaves me baffled :( 22:38:03 <ST2> [22:28:29] <Wormnest> You sound like a radio reporter for a sports game :p <<-- someday Samu will understand that each AI has code lines saying what todo - till now appears Samu looks at them like human players xD 22:38:34 <Samu> meh, terron code is 1 MB 22:38:37 <Samu> no thx 22:39:47 <ST2> 1 MB of code isn't that small - specially when you make it 22:40:03 <ST2> saw a suggestion above to you make an AI ^^ 22:40:46 <Wormnest> He should lol 22:41:51 <Samu> heh, if only i could 22:42:16 <Samu> I would slap code from others together and make them run as one 22:46:58 <Samu> awwww. TeshiNet crashed 22:52:53 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:54:45 <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=201180 22:55:23 <Samu> null expected null 22:55:40 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 23:05:14 <Wormnest> Needs an extra != null check before using it in a function 23:08:07 <Samu> uh... well, i can't code 23:10:09 <Samu> even if i could, i'm unable to upload the fixed code to bananas 23:10:18 <Samu> the online downloader stuff 23:12:34 <Samu> heliferry has begun! 23:12:45 <Samu> replacing teshinet 23:12:55 <Samu> a bit too late to the party though 23:13:37 <Wormnest> It´s gpl2 you can release it under a new name 23:14:28 <Samu> Chopper vs Helifery should be fun to watch 23:14:46 <Samu> oh, but that's what I don't want to do 23:15:01 <Samu> i wanted to upload under Teshinet, if I was able to fix it 23:15:25 <Samu> not creating another teshinet clone :( 23:15:37 <Wormnest> Contact the author on the forum if he wants to transfer ownership 23:15:56 <Samu> erm, im not even sure i can fix it :o 23:16:44 <Wormnest> Oh well too bad then 23:17:54 *** Breckett has quit IRC 23:18:40 <Samu> i'm not confident enough to do such a thing :| 23:18:51 <Samu> of my abilities 23:20:56 <Wormnest> Problem also being that then you would be responsible for keeping the ai up to date 23:21:09 <ST2> we, at BTPro, use ~12 plugins, and a couple of them are 5K+ code lines - only to give commands in servers and so on 23:21:29 <ST2> sadly no time to go into AI's - already too much to mantain :S 23:21:55 <ST2> and that's why I admire all work people put on AI's and GS's :) 23:22:06 <Wormnest> Even though in most cases ai crashes are fairly simple to fix 23:22:36 <Wormnest> But lots of little things together and it gets out of hand fast :p 23:22:48 <ST2> yeah xD 23:23:39 <ST2> I think Samu is testing all AI's to see what are the best with RV's, planes, trains and ships 23:23:46 <Wormnest> I have local fixes for a few ais but what´s the use posting it nobody will use it unless its on bananas 23:23:58 <ST2> later he'll build a major AI using the best parts of each one xD 23:24:11 <Samu> yeah 23:24:20 <Samu> that was the plan, lol 23:24:32 <Wormnest> And then he will notice that slapping things together doesn´t necessarily make it the best ai 23:24:55 <ST2> amen to that Wormnest :) 23:25:17 <Samu> behave like you're AdmiraAI now, for xx ticks 23:25:28 <Samu> now behave like you're... AIAI 23:25:31 <Samu> lel 23:26:05 <ST2> well, a couple IF's and ELSES would do the trick xD 23:26:55 <Wormnest> But you only want the good parts of an ai but usually the less good parts are not easy to cut out without changing the whole ai workings 23:27:43 <Samu> CluelessPlus is calling its aircraft of buses 23:28:31 <Wormnest> That sentence doesnt make sense to me 23:28:50 <Samu> CluelessPlus log 23:29:21 <Samu> seems that he slapped aircraft support on top of his bus code 23:29:45 <ST2> btw Samu: next time we organize a Tourny, can I invite you to join... only to report each player's actions with the same enthusiasm? 23:29:46 <ST2> xD 23:30:06 <Samu> erh... they don't have a log to read :( 23:30:26 <ST2> there's always the Watch Window - even better xD 23:32:10 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:38:47 *** alluke has quit IRC