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Or github? 17:51:44 <supermop_work_> not yet 17:51:52 <supermop_work_> codes still too messy 17:52:12 <andythenorth> see original HEQS :P 17:52:24 <supermop_work_> have to hide from wife or she'll make fun of it 17:52:37 <andythenorth> it's marriage 17:52:39 <andythenorth> gonna happen 17:55:03 <supermop_work_> trams are all very melb influenced 17:55:21 <supermop_work_> might need american/english/HK rosters 17:57:16 <supermop_work_> with bow collectors or double armed pantos instead of trolley poles 18:00:45 * andythenorth might need a nap 18:05:15 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:05:15 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:05:16 <Alberth> a small nap, and some tea :) 18:07:42 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 18:09:11 <supermop_work_> double espresso redeye 18:09:45 <andythenorth> I need to fix NRT :( 18:10:46 <peter1138> hi 18:17:25 <andythenorth> hi 18:17:59 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:18:37 <peter1138> Anyone had to revert anything I did yet? :p 18:18:55 <Wolf01> o/ 18:19:36 *** stefino has joined #openttd 18:19:52 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:22:48 <andythenorth> ho you made commits 18:22:54 <andythenorth> I should merge to NRT 18:23:15 <stefino> Hi. Is possible to change height of Catenery bounding boxes in NML? https://s10.postimg.org/ybak2n9ix/IMG_07032018_154311_0.jpg Thanks 18:23:55 <frosch123> is there a method to delete the word "bounding box" from the world? 18:24:06 <andythenorth> do bounding boxes do anything? 18:24:13 <andythenorth> I have the impression they're meaningless 18:24:14 <frosch123> no 18:24:21 <frosch123> yes, they are very meaningless 18:25:03 <stefino> so I can't change foreground/background with boxes size 18:26:23 <stefino> frosch123: so how does it call? :D these boxes? 18:26:31 <frosch123> ignore them 18:26:34 <frosch123> they have no meaning 18:26:39 <andythenorth> in FIRS I found that setting all zextent, yextent etc to 16 resolved numerous sprite flickering bugs 18:26:57 <andythenorth> previously they were set to size of sprites, or arbitrary nonsense values 18:27:43 <stefino> mm mmm, okay 18:28:39 <stefino> in the picture you can see that pylons from catenary are covered by platforms roofs 18:29:18 <stefino> this is our problem and our coder said that it could be due small boxes...so it doesnť 18:32:36 <frosch123> sorting problems are caused by overlapping boxes 18:32:40 <frosch123> smaller boxes make it better 18:32:59 <frosch123> reduce the width of the bottom platform boxes 18:37:09 <stefino> okey, we will try it :) 18:37:25 <stefino> thx 18:37:43 <frosch123> essentially there are two methods to sort boxes 18:38:08 <frosch123> boxes of same size can be sorted by barycenter (which is done by modern games with "pixel sized" boxes) 18:38:23 <frosch123> boxes of different size can be sorted if they do not overlap and do not form a circle 18:38:51 <frosch123> boxes of different size which overlap are always broken 18:39:37 <stefino> okay okay, I'll send it to our coder and try to do it :) 18:47:13 <andythenorth> so did we decide I need to unify RoadVehUpdateCache and CargoChanged? 18:53:54 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 19:05:29 *** stefino has quit IRC 19:19:24 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 19:22:07 *** Progman has quit IRC 19:22:14 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:22:25 <supermop_work_> my buses have 'much other flaws' 19:24:36 <frosch123> can you squareroot the amount? 19:38:52 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 19:41:59 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 19:42:07 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 19:47:13 <Wolf01> Ok, lego parts arrived, time to finish the diorama 19:50:45 <andythenorth> supermop_work_: probably better I don't reply? 19:51:02 <supermop_work_> hah 19:52:04 <andythenorth> I don't get on with acs121 19:52:21 <andythenorth> I was putting it down to a language barrier, but I think this person is just an ass tbh 19:52:39 <andythenorth> I still don't understand why Unsinkable Sam is a problem 19:53:58 <supermop_work_> also i mean there are 8 generations of buses in game 19:54:37 <andythenorth> forums is as forums does 19:56:48 <andythenorth> should we require ships to follow sealanes? 19:56:52 <andythenorth> rather than just bouys? 19:57:05 <andythenorth> sealanes would have to be constructed by player 20:01:23 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 20:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say no 20:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but we need to cache ship paths in the buoys, so you don't have to rerun the pathfinder for ships 20:03:38 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause> essentially ships would do PBS-reservations 20:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause> which now means ship paths cannot cross 20:04:26 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 20:05:29 <andythenorth> Wally has made a quirky grf http://www.simuscape.net/simutalk/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=887 20:05:35 <andythenorth> interesting use of objects 20:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> buoys are probably better placed in tile corners 20:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of in the middle 20:08:44 <frosch123> how weird, i am used to andy posting images with 4x zoom, this seems to be zoomed out 20:09:41 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's not posted by andy? 20:10:18 <andythenorth> I actually do 2x zoom, but my screen is hidpi 20:10:23 <andythenorth> so that doubles the pixels 20:10:26 <andythenorth> :P 20:11:01 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: andy posted it here 20:11:27 * andythenorth is busy avoiding RoadVehUpdateCache 20:11:27 <andythenorth> :P 20:11:35 *** Gja has joined #openttd 20:16:40 <andythenorth> the reason I'm not sure about consolidating CargoChanged into RoadVehUpdateCache 20:16:49 <andythenorth> is that sometimes CargoChanged is called conditionally 20:16:54 <andythenorth> and sometimes not 20:17:04 <andythenorth> and that would appear to be significant, at first glance 20:23:07 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:25:39 <frosch123> it's not about never calling CargoChanged 20:25:53 <frosch123> it's about always calling CargoChanged when UpdateCache is called 20:26:02 <andythenorth> ok 20:27:22 <andythenorth> L328 if (_settings_game.vehicle.roadveh_acceleration_model != AM_ORIGINAL) v->CargoChanged(); 20:27:26 <andythenorth> is that optimising much? 20:27:34 <andythenorth> or can the conditional just be removed? 20:27:43 <andythenorth> it's called in CmdBuildRoadVehicle 20:28:15 <frosch123> i would rather expect it to crash or something when original acceleration is enabled 20:28:21 <andythenorth> right 20:28:48 <andythenorth> also it's not limited to the first vehicle there 20:29:00 <frosch123> but argueably it would then also crash when called via UpdateCache :p 20:29:11 <frosch123> anyway, i have no idea 20:29:29 <frosch123> the names are all glibberish, one would have to look at the details 20:34:20 <andythenorth> I am going to ship it with calls to both functions and wait for more bug reports 20:34:37 <andythenorth> I don't like refactoring things I don't have knowledge of 20:34:46 <andythenorth> there aren't tests, right? o_O 20:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of tests? 20:44:48 <andythenorth> regression tests 20:52:54 *** keoz has joined #openttd 20:55:30 <Wolf01> andythenorth: not sure what you are doing there, just call both CargoChanged and RVUpdateCache in the right order in the remaining places wasn't enough? 20:56:33 <andythenorth> it's probably enough yes 20:56:55 <andythenorth> frosch recommended code quality improvements 20:56:59 *** synchris has quit IRC 20:58:08 <Wolf01> Not at the same time as bufixes 20:58:34 <Wolf01> Refactoring and bugfix don't go well together 20:59:30 <andythenorth> I'm convinced 20:59:36 <andythenorth> I'll fix whitespace and push 21:01:37 <andythenorth> done 21:04:08 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:08:07 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:09:56 <andythenorth> @calc 14(3/5 21:09:56 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1) 21:10:07 <andythenorth> my os calculator parses 14(3/5 21:10:14 <andythenorth> and returns 8.4 21:10:57 <Wolf01> Your OS is broken 21:17:53 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 21:21:30 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:27:03 <andythenorth> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=14(3%2F5&oq=14(3%2F5&aqs=chrome..69i57j6.3530j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 21:27:25 <andythenorth> it's inferring what the operators should be I think 21:27:25 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:28:01 <Wolf01> Yeah, it does, but the missing ) :( 21:28:19 <andythenorth> :P 21:28:38 <andythenorth> I really disagree with treating order of operations as a convention 21:29:14 <Wolf01> @calc :3 + :-) 21:29:14 <DorpsGek> Wolf01: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 21:29:15 <andythenorth> I'm probably weird 21:29:23 <andythenorth> haha 21:29:33 <andythenorth> someone should do a calculator with emoji for april fools 21:29:36 <Wolf01> There is a number 21:29:39 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 21:29:58 <Wolf01> I didn't see a lot of numbers in the latest years of school 21:30:10 <Wolf01> Algebrae... 21:30:36 <andythenorth> a^2 = b^2 + c^2 / 2a 21:30:38 <andythenorth> and so on 21:30:45 <Wolf01> Also, diorama seem to be finished 21:30:54 <andythenorth> yay 21:31:04 <andythenorth> you can be responsible for lego profits going up 21:31:13 <Wolf01> Now I need to print the "you are seeing" guides 21:31:30 <Wolf01> I was responsible for lego profits going down for sure 21:31:42 <Wolf01> I almost stopped purchasing last year 21:38:49 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 21:49:32 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:02:20 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 22:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you're probably missing some () 22:07:13 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:09:28 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 22:10:29 <andythenorth> wow 22:10:45 <andythenorth> I was *never* taught order of operations in school or university 22:11:15 <andythenorth> I only learnt about it from one of those stupid facebook '99% of people get this sum wrong' memes 22:11:32 <andythenorth> I am reading more about it, it's bonkers 22:11:33 <andythenorth> http://www.madmath.com/2009/03/pemdas-terminate-with-extreme-prejudice.html 22:11:57 <andythenorth> they literally have these stupid rules with acronyms to remember them 22:12:02 <andythenorth> just to avoid parentheses 22:12:12 <andythenorth> and the rules are really confusing to parse 22:12:19 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:13:08 <andythenorth> http://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/2013/03/15/the-horror-of-pemdas/ 22:20:19 *** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd 22:23:38 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:23:54 *** supermop has joined #openttd 22:24:18 <supermop> Wolf01: would you do an italian translation for me? 22:24:31 <Wolf01> Try 22:24:41 <supermop> mostly so i can say i don't need one from forum guy? 22:24:56 <andythenorth> have you got eints hooked up yet? 22:25:07 <supermop> not much to translate in my grf 22:25:23 <supermop> andythenorth: no, i think i'd need better code for that? 22:25:46 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 22:25:54 <supermop> i just need the parameter descriptions translated i think - don't think brand names should be translated 22:26:17 <andythenorth> you have lang files? 22:26:53 <supermop> yep 22:26:58 <supermop> just english.lng 22:27:36 <andythenorth> if you get a devzone repo, it's possible to eints then 22:28:18 <andythenorth> eints just reads the default lng file, offers it for translation, and writes other lng files back to the repo once daily 22:28:28 *** sla_ro|master2 has quit IRC 22:29:48 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:30:08 <andythenorth> also bed 22:30:09 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:31:40 <Wolf01> Bed too 22:31:44 <Wolf01> 'night 22:31:47 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:34:42 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 22:35:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 22:35:46 <andythenorth> @calc 1+1+1+1+1+1+1*0 22:35:46 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 6 22:35:51 <andythenorth> that's so dumb 22:35:55 <andythenorth> it should be 0 22:36:00 * andythenorth back to bed 22:36:13 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 22:36:18 <LordAro> bro do you even bodmas 22:37:46 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 22:37:53 *** keoz has quit IRC 22:39:31 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 22:43:18 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 22:45:25 *** kais58 has quit IRC 22:45:40 *** extspotter has joined #openttd 22:49:31 *** nielsm has quit IRC 23:10:15 *** Gustavo6046 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