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00:11:44 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 00:19:27 *** Nathanxbox20 has joined #openttd 00:44:40 *** Pikka has joined #openttd 00:56:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 01:21:25 *** Nathanxbox20 has quit IRC 01:38:35 <LANJesus> what is the date epoch for ottd? 01:38:57 <LANJesus> 1/1/1 BC? 02:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's year 0 based 02:02:01 *** glx has quit IRC 02:04:22 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 02:30:16 *** muffindrake2 has joined #openttd 02:32:07 *** muffindrake1 has quit IRC 02:48:43 <LANJesus> there is no year 0 02:48:45 <LANJesus> hence 1BC 02:54:51 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 03:11:54 *** supermop has quit IRC 04:41:07 *** Cubey has quit IRC 04:51:47 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 04:52:04 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 05:28:20 *** Wacko1976_ has joined #openttd 05:33:45 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 05:40:26 *** Wacko1976_ has quit IRC 06:04:41 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 06:13:53 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:14:19 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 06:25:36 *** WWacko1976-work has quit IRC 06:25:54 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:26:49 <andythenorth> moin 06:34:49 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest2603 06:34:55 <peter1138> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6695/commits/334bcc87e7608246d168ea7507f84c3148c78835 06:34:56 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 06:35:08 <peter1138> You know a system is fucked when the API to get version inormation changes... 06:36:35 <andythenorth> it's Apple innit 06:37:22 <__ln__> peter1138: afaik it has changed in the win32 api also. 06:39:36 *** Guest2603 has quit IRC 06:42:05 <peter1138> __ln__, as I said... :) 06:43:44 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 06:44:20 *** WWacko1976-work has joined #openttd 06:45:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:08:01 <Pikka> o/ 07:11:13 <andythenorth> lo Pikka 07:11:16 <andythenorth> is it yet? 07:11:33 <Pikka> approx 07:11:58 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/LATEST/ 07:12:03 <andythenorth> it's very brake vans 07:13:23 <Pikka> mmm brake vans 07:17:39 <Pikka> oh dear 07:17:54 <Pikka> my AI immediately fell victim to BAD FEATURES 07:18:29 <Pikka> it thought the Shoebox would be the cheapest loco to run, but it isn't without wires. 07:19:09 <andythenorth> ha ha 07:19:20 <andythenorth> sorry 07:20:16 <andythenorth> not sure what to do about that :) 07:21:03 <Pikka> not much I guess... it'll cope :P 07:21:13 <andythenorth> does this actually do anything? https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#AI_construction.2Fpurchase_selection_.2818.29 07:21:25 <andythenorth> and why are newgrf authors able to troll the AI? o_O 07:21:41 <Pikka> oh yes, I meant to mention that 07:21:56 <Pikka> it doesn't do anything for vehicles any more, but for stations it still does 07:22:11 <andythenorth> shame the vehicles don't do anything 07:22:11 <Pikka> so you should add it to CHIPS :P 07:22:13 <andythenorth> it could lulz 07:22:26 <Pikka> well, it's up to the AI now to choose the vehicles 07:22:36 <andythenorth> probably for the best :P 07:22:48 <andythenorth> CHIPs is in a funny place 07:22:51 <andythenorth> I can add tiles to it 07:22:59 <andythenorth> but everything else is WTF :) 07:23:15 <andythenorth> yexo wrote it to learn about stations 07:23:21 <andythenorth> so it exercises the full GRM spec 07:23:28 *** synchris has joined #openttd 07:23:38 <Pikka> oh 07:23:42 <Pikka> newchips then? :P 07:23:49 <andythenorth> nml stations :P 07:24:30 <andythenorth> can your AI understand wagon speed limits? o_O 07:24:40 <Pikka> yes 07:24:57 <Pikka> but it doesn't care much about them, it's happy to build slow trains 07:25:12 * andythenorth should try it 07:25:22 * Pikka will send an update 07:25:30 <andythenorth> ok 07:25:31 <Pikka> I think I'm done tinkering with it now 07:25:37 <andythenorth> I should give it to child #1 to test 07:25:46 <andythenorth> he has been testing Convoy and so on 07:25:47 <Pikka> 1 sec 07:25:50 <andythenorth> with running commentary 07:26:02 <andythenorth> I should give him twitch 07:26:12 <andythenorth> he could be the next Stampy 07:27:28 <Pikka> there 07:27:57 <Pikka> run it with the default industries if you want to see trains, FIRS really confuses it :P 07:29:05 <andythenorth> ok :P 07:29:07 <andythenorth> such FIRS 07:29:08 <andythenorth> BAD 07:34:37 <andythenorth> ha I left busy bee in the game 07:34:44 <andythenorth> AI probably can't do goals? o_O 07:36:12 <Pikka> not deliberately, no. 07:36:32 <TrueBrain> LordAro: possibly talk it over if PSP should still be a target that should be supported? :) 07:36:47 <TrueBrain> it was fun to add, but useful? :D 07:40:41 <andythenorth> PSP 07:40:45 <andythenorth> so much promise 07:40:54 <andythenorth> I think I gave mine away in the end 07:40:58 <andythenorth> it was so nearly awesome 07:44:17 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 07:44:22 <andythenorth> well it's quite Civil eh 07:48:10 <andythenorth> seems it's doing goals by accident 07:53:18 <andythenorth> well Pikka 07:53:18 *** WWacko1976-work has quit IRC 07:53:31 <andythenorth> I wouldn't make those train choices, but it's making money :) 07:54:20 *** WWacko1976-work has joined #openttd 07:54:25 <Pikka> lol 07:54:33 <Pikka> it has a minimum standard 07:54:38 <Pikka> which is 40mph and 250hp 07:54:50 <Pikka> and then it just picks the loco with the lowest running cost 07:55:06 <Pikka> or which appears to have the lowest running cost ;) 07:55:19 <andythenorth> it's choosing the 'correct' wagons 07:55:35 <andythenorth> I think that's because the grf author made correct choices about default cargos :P 07:55:49 <Pikka> yes :P 07:56:07 <andythenorth> vehicle default cargo cascades in Horse 2 07:56:12 <andythenorth> depending on what's available 07:57:49 <andythenorth> this one's interesting http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8950/civil_cows.png 07:59:02 <Pikka> for "piece good" cargos it buys random wagons :) 07:59:52 <andythenorth> spiffy 07:59:58 <Pikka> for liquid and bulk, it buys the highest capacity native wagon, or if no native wagons the highest capacity refittable 08:00:00 <andythenorth> go on...teach it integer train lengths :D 08:00:11 <andythenorth> it's only maths 08:00:50 <peter1138> Good morning. 08:01:01 <Pikka> most train grfs don't have multiple wagon lengths so you can make integer train lengths, though :P 08:01:36 <andythenorth> 'prefer integer' :P 08:01:41 <peter1138> I should play a game at some point... 08:01:57 <andythenorth> it's over-rated 08:02:00 <andythenorth> let the AI do it 08:02:15 <peter1138> Ah, ok. 08:02:22 <andythenorth> we played an MP game once 08:02:23 <andythenorth> I remember 08:02:27 <andythenorth> I made a castle 08:02:42 <peter1138> I miss when UKRS was current :P 08:02:59 <Pikka> yuk 08:03:34 <andythenorth> I am just remaking it 08:03:38 <andythenorth> only with too many wagons 08:04:02 <andythenorth> then I'll remake NARS 08:04:25 <andythenorth> then I have to 2x zoom all things 08:12:51 <andythenorth> hmm 08:13:31 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i'm pretty sure the "freebsd c compiler..." bit isn't relevant these days anyway 08:16:06 <andythenorth> Pikka: so I was going to make Horse-NARS use bigger sprites 08:16:10 <andythenorth> because realisms 08:16:15 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8951/na_horse_revived.png 08:16:40 <andythenorth> but P1JK scale regrets? 08:17:16 <Pikka> drawing smaller was a silly idea, for sure. drawing bigger you start running into issues with tunnels and bridges and general over-chibiness? 08:17:50 <Pikka> I'd stick to the standard sprite size 08:18:12 <andythenorth> also more copy paste 08:18:23 <andythenorth> drawing 180 wagons...1px taller 08:18:27 <andythenorth> blah blah 08:18:43 <Pikka> yes 08:20:53 <peter1138> Load average: 22.76, 14.21, 7.44 08:21:01 <peter1138> Hmm :S 08:21:31 <andythenorth> I need an AI feature 08:21:39 <andythenorth> don't use trains with unfinished sprites 08:27:08 * Pikka dinner 08:27:12 <Pikka> then 47s 08:30:10 *** TrueBrain has quit IRC 08:40:21 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: there's AI uaage bits, but i don't know if the AIs will actually adhere to them 08:43:23 *** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd 08:48:11 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 08:52:28 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 09:23:00 <andythenorth> bbl 09:23:00 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 09:29:44 *** synchris has quit IRC 09:30:53 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 10:33:49 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 10:56:41 *** peter1138 has quit IRC 10:59:42 *** muffindrake2 has quit IRC 11:02:02 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 11:04:42 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 11:24:08 *** muffindrake has joined #openttd 12:11:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 12:12:02 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 12:13:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 12:17:27 *** samu has joined #openttd 12:17:31 <samu> hi 12:17:59 <samu> nice fixes for 1.8.0 12:18:03 <samu> ty 12:18:25 *** Samu_ has joined #openttd 12:18:35 *** samu has quit IRC 12:18:45 *** Samu has joined #openttd 12:18:56 *** Samu_ has quit IRC 12:31:40 <andythenorth> samu: we moved to github btw https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues 12:32:41 <__ln__> "For tracking our bugs we are using a bug tracker called Flyspray." says readme at https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD 12:33:23 <andythenorth> yes there is some work to do 12:33:45 <andythenorth> __ln__: add an issue :) 12:34:54 <__ln__> chicken and egg problem, can't add an issue to flyspray because it's read-only. 12:35:50 <andythenorth> such problems 12:35:57 * andythenorth can think of no solution 12:53:58 *** sla_ro|master2 has quit IRC 13:01:51 <Samu> wow 13:02:27 <Samu> i need a new account to report bugs? 13:02:29 <Samu> :( 13:05:28 <LordAro> yeah, but you can learn how to do git properly now ;) 13:05:44 <LordAro> incidentally, has there been an announcement anywhere? 13:24:09 <andythenorth> nope 13:24:29 <andythenorth> and some contributors are quitting also 13:24:40 <andythenorth> unfortunate 13:24:41 * andythenorth biab 13:24:43 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:33:11 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 13:33:25 <LordAro> just looked at the forum a bit 13:33:36 <LordAro> yeah, *really* needs some sort of announcement, with explanations and such like 13:51:28 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 13:51:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 13:51:34 <Alberth> o/ 13:59:05 *** Arveen3 has joined #openttd 14:05:48 *** Arveen2 has quit IRC 14:53:17 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 14:58:32 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 14:58:51 *** WWacko1976-work has quit IRC 15:09:36 <Alberth> o/ andy 15:10:28 *** TrueBrain has joined #openttd 15:11:05 <TrueBrain> w00p! I am baccckkkkk 15:11:12 <Alberth> \o/ 15:11:21 <TrueBrain> upgraded my IRC client .. not sure I like it ... it seems to have lost a few options :P 15:11:25 <TrueBrain> owh well 15:11:49 <TrueBrain> today I was reminded why forums in general are toxic; I understand the point they wanted to make, but this is not the way to do it :D (so much passive aggrasive statements in a single post ...) 15:11:57 <Alberth> advances in tech usually drops the more techy features :p 15:13:39 <TrueBrain> yippie, I can visit github.com again from this machine :D (certificate issues) 15:16:12 <Alberth> I assume it means something else than "with a browser" :) 15:16:38 <TrueBrain> no, my browser was of such age, it didnt support the TLS used for github.com 15:16:46 <Alberth> :O 15:17:01 <TrueBrain> (it was running wheezy ....) 15:17:25 <Alberth> very stable :p 15:18:34 <TrueBrain> if it aint broken 15:18:58 <TrueBrain> now to upgrade my switch 15:20:40 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: I didn't say too much in my replies 15:20:52 <andythenorth> I feel the pain of those who were told to do everything the wrong way with hg queues 15:21:03 <andythenorth> I tried that and failed, it's insane hard 15:21:34 <TrueBrain> what amazes me about those post ... who "forced" them in hg queues .. and why do they blame OpenTTD in general for that 15:21:36 <TrueBrain> feels a bit off 15:21:41 <andythenorth> nah it's just lacking perspective 15:21:49 <andythenorth> I nearly quit after NML was introduced 15:22:15 <andythenorth> I wrote all of FIRS in NFO (with help), then it was ported to NML without a lot of consultation with me 15:22:23 <andythenorth> and I couldn't get the tools working, so I nearly quit 15:22:31 <andythenorth> but eh 15:22:45 <andythenorth> I didn't :P 15:23:17 <Alberth> /me is happy you're still here 15:23:30 <TrueBrain> I second that Alberth :) 15:23:34 <andythenorth> lol 15:23:44 <andythenorth> stats show this is mostly a channel of me talking to me 15:23:47 <andythenorth> so what is 'here' :P 15:23:51 <Pikka> o/ 15:23:56 <andythenorth> oh Pikka bob 15:23:57 <Pikka> gnight :P 15:23:58 <TrueBrain> what surprised me most .. since when is IRC not the primary way of communication? When did that change? 15:24:00 <andythenorth> bye bob 15:24:05 <Pikka> bbl 15:24:07 *** Pikka has quit IRC 15:24:19 <andythenorth> I used to think forums were main way until I discovered irc 15:24:32 <andythenorth> I was quite hostile to irc, I thought it was msn web-chat bollocks 15:24:40 <andythenorth> people doing sexy chat and role play stuff 15:24:41 <TrueBrain> I don't remember anything else .. tt-forums was just a side-branch of communication to me :) 15:24:52 <TrueBrain> both are true :D 15:24:56 <andythenorth> we got it at work, so I joined #openttd channel too 15:25:04 <andythenorth> light dawned 15:25:10 <Alberth> TB lives in irc :) 15:25:16 <andythenorth> TB is a bot right? 15:25:41 <TrueBrain> yup 15:25:45 <Alberth> it has a domain now, it must get money from somewhere 15:26:01 <TrueBrain> either way, I do thing a bit more communication can be good, but that is up to frosch123 15:26:14 <TrueBrain> I think he really wants to make a drastical change 15:26:18 <TrueBrain> which I can only applaud 15:26:50 <Alberth> it's drastic indeed, never seen it done in other projects 15:26:55 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 15:27:05 <TrueBrain> Python? :P 15:27:09 <TrueBrain> GCC? 15:27:36 <TrueBrain> Python took months of planning 15:27:38 <TrueBrain> monthssss 15:27:53 <Alberth> :O 15:28:06 <TrueBrain> Python migrated from their own hosted stuff to GitHub a bit ago 15:28:18 <TrueBrain> GCC simply said: make a fork that is more popular, and we call that GCC 15:28:32 <Alberth> oh, I mean allowing multiple openttds, each different 15:28:48 <TrueBrain> we just did what Python and GCC did at once :P 15:29:46 <TrueBrain> but yeah .. the infrastructure is now there for people to make popular forks 15:30:05 <TrueBrain> at least people can no longer hide behind: DEVS ARE MEAN AND DONT ACCEPT MY PATCH 15:30:28 <TrueBrain> means I can finally make my head-to-head to way I want it >:@ (goes all evil) 15:30:51 <TrueBrain> I had some technical drawings for an MMO OpenTTD somewhere .. 15:30:57 <Alberth> like we would stop you :p 15:31:20 <TrueBrain> of all the things, that never happened :D 15:31:44 <TrueBrain> I am a bit sad though about the OpenTTD community .. a lot of talk, very little doing 15:33:35 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I kinda want to rename svn.openttd.org to svn-archive.openttd.org 15:34:04 <TrueBrain> too invisible that it is read-only .. 15:34:21 <TrueBrain> owh, and Alberth, you happen to know if there is eintsgit (I have an eintssvn) 15:35:48 <Alberth> that's code written by frosch, I have never even seen those scripts 15:35:56 <TrueBrain> so I will bug him :D 15:36:46 <Alberth> but likely, it doesn't exist, as neither openttd nor devzone used git 15:37:00 <Alberth> unless he wrote it recently 15:37:00 <TrueBrain> I thought someone said 2 projects used git? 15:37:16 <TrueBrain> well, something for frosch123 to figure out :) 15:37:31 <TrueBrain> otherwise I can use the svn of GitHub :D 15:37:46 <Alberth> you can use git at devzone, don't know if anyone does, but 2 sounds feasible 15:38:12 <TrueBrain> documentation suggests commit also work over svn to GitHub 15:38:14 <Alberth> it likely doesn't actually do much in terms of the VCS 15:38:17 <TrueBrain> might be the easy solution :D 15:38:43 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:38:55 <Alberth> history is somewhat screwed there, in terms of svn 15:39:35 <Alberth> I read once what it does, and it didn't sound very useful from svn perspective :) 15:39:56 <TrueBrain> but if I can pick up new commits and send an update, it should be enough, not ?D: 15:40:39 <Alberth> yeah, it might be sufficient, you never want to look through history 15:40:59 <TrueBrain> it actually works 15:41:10 <TrueBrain> so those who really want to keep using Subversion .. can :P 15:41:16 <TrueBrain> and with that, anyone who wants to use Mercurial, can :P 15:41:18 <Alberth> problem solved ! 15:41:47 <Alberth> nah, I tried mercurial as frontend to git, it is very break-ish 15:41:56 <TrueBrain> no, as frontend to svn! :D 15:42:01 <TrueBrain> it still sucks balls 15:42:03 <TrueBrain> but ... :P 15:42:25 <TrueBrain> (is Mercurial still being developed?) 15:42:43 <Alberth> no idea, but likely it is 15:42:49 <TrueBrain> its funny to me .. I setup a mirror for hg and git back in those days, as I really couldnt tell who would win ... git had Linux .. hg had Windows .. 15:43:03 <TrueBrain> now years later there is a clear winner .. 15:43:15 <TrueBrain> BitBucket still supports both 15:43:16 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 15:43:16 <Alberth> guthub is a big factor 15:43:22 <TrueBrain> GitHub was a HUGE push 15:43:30 <TrueBrain> git taking Windows users seriously too 15:43:35 <Alberth> and git has a simple one way to use it 15:43:44 <TrueBrain> unless you hit reflog :D 15:43:50 <TrueBrain> but yeah :) 15:43:54 <Alberth> while hg allows more freedom 15:44:07 <TrueBrain> hg queues are awesome 15:44:09 <Alberth> but freedom is not what most users want 15:44:13 <TrueBrain> rebasing is still a bit more iffy 15:44:23 <TrueBrain> less verbose 15:44:41 <Alberth> much more strict, and complicated than queues 15:44:52 <Alberth> git threw out the option to change the diff 15:44:56 <TrueBrain> in a queue you can just manually edit shit :D 15:45:11 <TrueBrain> now I have to rebase against something, with -i, and change a patch 15:45:16 <TrueBrain> I so often fuck this up :D 15:45:28 <TrueBrain> what I do wrong most of the time, is that I 'git rebase -i' to a patch 15:45:32 <TrueBrain> fix something 15:45:35 <TrueBrain> continue 15:45:36 <TrueBrain> it break 15:45:38 <TrueBrain> I fix it 15:45:45 <Alberth> git is quite complicated beyond simple "add more commits" 15:45:46 <TrueBrain> and than .... 'git commit --amend' 15:45:48 <TrueBrain> :( 15:45:58 <TrueBrain> I still HATE that it allows me to amend while in a rebase 15:46:11 <TrueBrain> so often I squashed 2 commits together with this ... 15:46:21 <TrueBrain> but yeah .. for just: fix stuff, add it, commit it 15:46:25 <TrueBrain> it is awesome :) 15:46:35 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 15:46:37 <TrueBrain> I really like how people keep looking for better workflows on GitHub etc 15:46:40 <Alberth> but hardly you need git for that 15:46:54 <Alberth> anything vcs does that 15:46:58 <TrueBrain> what I like most, is that andythenorth is jealous he didnt say anything for so long, and his streak is coming to an end :P 15:47:03 <TrueBrain> yup 15:47:12 <TrueBrain> git is just available, more than anything :) 15:47:41 <TrueBrain> my <tab> key finally works through this vnc server :D No longe typing out names :D \o/ 15:47:52 <Alberth> now it needs to be less technically correct, and more user-friendly 15:47:57 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 15:48:01 <TrueBrain> talking about frosch123 15:48:01 <Alberth> hola 15:48:03 <TrueBrain> HELLO! :) 15:48:17 <Alberth> ^ he's back :) 15:48:46 <TrueBrain> frosch123: question for you .. I can link eints to the svn of GitHub .. that .. seems to work. Low effort, but risky. Or do you have a git variant for eintssvn for me? :) 15:49:53 *** Thedarkb1 has joined #openttd 15:55:52 <frosch123> i have a git variant for devzone 15:55:59 <frosch123> anyway, it should only need replacing a few lines 15:58:20 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:00:20 *** peter1138 has joined #openttd 16:02:00 <TrueBrain> if you could cook that up for me somewhere this week orso, that would be perfect :D 16:02:02 <TrueBrain> tnx :D 16:04:20 <frosch123> Alberth: and yes, devzone has full support for git 16:04:26 <frosch123> both in eints and in compile farm 16:05:05 <peter1138> evening 16:05:15 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:05:18 <Alberth> evenink 16:05:47 <Alberth> nice! 16:05:49 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 16:06:06 <supermop_work> yo 16:07:22 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: yeah, your count of uninterrupted consecutive lines is pretty impressive :) 16:07:22 <andythenorth> I kind of stop at 5 or 7 16:07:22 <andythenorth> when it's obvious it's me talking to me 16:07:34 <TrueBrain> I dont have that filter 16:07:47 <andythenorth> TrueBrain yeah, your count of uninterrupted consecutive lines is pretty impressive :) 16:07:47 <andythenorth> I kind of stop at 5 or 7 16:07:49 <TrueBrain> I am oblivious to the fact nobody wants to read me talk :D 16:08:12 <andythenorth> oh my client is repeating 16:08:12 <andythenorth> :D 16:08:36 <TrueBrain> or is it .... 16:08:59 <peter1138> My spacebar is sticking :( 16:09:28 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:09:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:11:44 <andythenorth> I found the relevant thread btw https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1190700#p1190700 16:11:53 <andythenorth> don't read first two pages, it's just forum BS 16:11:59 <andythenorth> but the gold is all in pages 3 and 4 16:16:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:17:01 <TrueBrain> funny how the same ideas have been around for months; any patchpack could have done it 16:17:04 <TrueBrain> yet nobody moves :) 16:17:38 <TrueBrain> sadly, this is a common thread not only in OpenTTD .. lot of talk, little action :) 16:17:49 <TrueBrain> that is why I like to just do shit :D 16:17:51 <TrueBrain> anyway, food 16:20:48 <andythenorth> also now it's getting done too 16:20:57 <andythenorth> winner winner, chicken dinner 16:28:49 <frosch123> hmm, i can't tell whether github does not display tabs properly or whether half of michi's patches are indented differently 16:29:33 <peter1138> :p 16:29:52 <peter1138> Hmm, it looked okay to me. 16:31:16 *** myr0 has joined #openttd 16:32:24 <peter1138> So after that power blip in the datacentre, my irssi tabs are all out of whack :p 16:32:38 <peter1138> At least this one is in the right place. 16:32:47 <peter1138> (esc-2) 16:34:24 <frosch123> i looked at the raw diff 16:34:27 <frosch123> 3 lines used spaces 16:34:39 <peter1138> Oh. Hmm. 16:36:07 <LordAro> the thing is, people *were* told to use hg queues as a way of splitting up large patches into smaller changes - for ease of reviewing was the justification. i doubt they were mentioned without git, but queues were certsinly marketed as the simpler option (not taking sides here!) 16:36:53 * andythenorth making https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6698 16:36:59 <andythenorth> yup 16:37:09 <andythenorth> and queues sucked :D 16:37:19 <peter1138> frosch123, yeah, the OS X ones are not right. 16:37:24 <frosch123> i still have some queues, only moved some to git 16:37:29 <andythenorth> it was plain to me that I wasn't going to try NRT with hg queues 16:37:48 <LordAro> fwiw, i think the hard "split into logical changes" thing should be dropped, it's "too hard" for most people to do sanely (although reordering and commit messages is fine and expected still, imo) 16:37:51 <Alberth> git and rebasing came later than queues 16:38:41 <peter1138> I tend to start doing logical changes, and then find I need to fix an unrelated bug to continue on some more changes. 16:38:47 <andythenorth> +1 16:38:53 <andythenorth> all day long 16:39:05 <LordAro> +1 16:39:09 <andythenorth> we have rules at work (I am responsible for some of them) 16:39:23 <andythenorth> branch per isolated feature 16:39:29 <peter1138> Often the way a bug is fixed differs between your branch and master. 16:39:37 <andythenorth> so I then have 10 branches, and all of them are merged into each other 16:39:39 <andythenorth> zero diff 16:39:46 <andythenorth> but the bureacracy is correct 16:39:56 <andythenorth> even if the engineering is bollocks :P 16:40:10 <peter1138> Once merged you don't need them any more. 16:40:37 <andythenorth> nah I mean concurrently 16:40:52 <andythenorth> commit, switch, merge, switch, merge, switch, merge 16:40:54 <andythenorth> etc 16:41:05 <andythenorth> because 1 branch per ticket 16:41:18 <andythenorth> so I do a task like 'upgrade the entire UI library' 16:41:26 <andythenorth> with 1 ticket page of an app 16:41:30 <Alberth> I would really like a stack of patches, like queues, in git 16:41:47 <andythenorth> cascading branches 16:41:53 <Alberth> yes 16:42:00 <LordAro> incidentally, github solves nothing about "devs are mean and don't accept my patch" - devs still need to review and merge the PRs 16:42:02 <frosch123> Alberth: stash doesn't do it? 16:42:33 <Alberth> stash is not all available together afaik 16:42:40 <Alberth> ie hg qpush -a 16:42:44 <andythenorth> LordAro: correct 16:42:46 <LordAro> stash + branches covers everything mq did, imo 16:43:12 <andythenorth> LordAro: 'devs are mean' is probably perennial, there are those who do, and those who complain, and those who can do politics and those who can't 16:43:25 <LordAro> hehe 16:43:29 <andythenorth> but at least our toolchain won't be hostile any more :) 16:43:44 <Alberth> ha! :D 16:43:45 <andythenorth> and I won't be scared our infra might die leaving us shafted 16:43:52 <LordAro> or limited build system 16:44:04 <andythenorth> I am still scared of devzone and bundles dying 16:44:04 <LordAro> (when does first c++11 feature happen? ^^) 16:44:05 <andythenorth> but eh 16:45:14 *** myr0 has quit IRC 16:45:21 <LordAro> no risk of that any time soon, imo 16:45:36 <LordAro> maybe someone should set up a GH devzone organisation ;) 16:46:55 <andythenorth> frosch123: I am unsure, does bundles actually have git support? 16:48:11 <frosch123> andythenorth: syke-rail is an example 16:48:22 <frosch123> there was a second one, but that was the first one 16:49:25 <peter1138> Well, a branch is basically a stack of patches. 16:50:32 <andythenorth> I think I would like to stop using hg if possible 16:50:49 <andythenorth> I don't hate hg, but I use two VCS daily, and I'd rather use one 16:50:56 <Alberth> until you decide to change stuff in the middle, where you then get caught in a rebase, and the needs to apply everything 16:51:27 <frosch123> wait a little, i currently can't tell whether devzone would be replaced by farm and eints working directly on github 16:52:15 <Alberth> which is a mess if the top-patches become obsolete to the point of not applying sanely, but you want to keep them for reference 16:52:30 <LordAro> andythenorth: i use svn at work, i'm constantly trying to do "git di" or "git st -q" 16:52:51 <Alberth> alias git svn 16:53:08 <frosch123> LordAro: same for me, but i have the opposite result 16:53:17 <andythenorth> frosch123: a few days ago, before you joined channel TB persuaded me I should learn docker 16:53:51 <frosch123> andythenorth: i also did, since then i am frustrated that it is not used at work :p 16:54:12 <Alberth> :p 16:54:12 <andythenorth> I need to learn it for work 16:54:20 <andythenorth> and if it's good we switch to it 16:54:46 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 16:55:49 <frosch123> so, how do i configure git to default-pull from OpenTTD/OpenTTD, but default push to frosch123/OpenTTD? 16:56:41 <andythenorth> I also want to see if pipenv is useful, and maybe package nml with it 16:56:42 <andythenorth> https://docs.pipenv.org/ 16:56:44 <frosch123> hmm, or do i configure github to default pull from ottd to me? 16:57:03 <andythenorth> dunno :) 16:57:18 <andythenorth> alias to update the remote? :P 16:58:20 <LordAro> frosch123: git remote --help 16:58:32 <LordAro> i have an orgin and a fork remotr, usually 16:58:47 <LordAro> pretty sure you can remove push for a particular remotr 16:59:01 <andythenorth> I have NRT set up with ottd as a remote 16:59:08 <andythenorth> there might be better ways 17:00:30 <andythenorth> if $anyone finds docs that need updating... https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6698 17:00:34 <frosch123> yes, i have multiple remotes 17:00:39 <andythenorth> or just fix them, and cut out project management :P 17:00:45 <frosch123> i am just too lazy to always type which 17:00:57 <andythenorth> alias git pull 17:01:56 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:02:16 <andythenorth> lo Wolf01 17:02:28 <Wolf01> o/ 17:03:23 <LordAro> and #6697 needs closing as workingasintended 17:03:31 <LordAro> no stagnation! 17:04:52 <andythenorth> do I have rights yet? 17:04:53 <andythenorth> o_O 17:05:03 <andythenorth> says TrueBrain is the only person on the project afaict 17:05:16 <frosch123> yes, tb is the only public member 17:05:17 <LordAro> only public person on the project 17:05:25 <frosch123> no idea whether he just forgot :) 17:05:34 <LordAro> no real reason why anyone should hide it 17:05:44 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/graphs/contributors 17:05:55 <LordAro> also that reason 17:05:57 <frosch123> LordAro: i have followers on github, they scare me :) 17:06:07 <frosch123> well, not as scary as my twitter followers 17:06:10 <LordAro> haha 17:06:11 <andythenorth> oh where did I fork NRT from :o https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/network/members 17:06:23 <andythenorth> maybe I *didn't get it from git.openttd 17:07:14 <andythenorth> can't tell, github confuses me :) 17:07:48 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:07:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:08:41 <Wolf01> "I'm thanking each day i'm playing with ratt you, Andythenorth, Eddi and Alberth for continuing this fantastic work. Really." <- I'm tempted to reply "and frosch? He did most of it"... people always forget about frogs :( 17:09:28 <frosch123> it's fine, at least they don't annoy then :) 17:09:59 <andythenorth> silent contributor 17:10:10 <andythenorth> I am just the front man 17:11:06 <Wolf01> You make the grfs, without you (and supermop) NRT wouldn't be here 17:11:18 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 17:11:21 <Wolf01> Also you insisted :P 17:16:10 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 17:18:26 <Wolf01> BTW, andythenorth, your opinion for bus-only roads? 17:20:26 <supermop_work> brt guideways 17:21:49 <andythenorth> 'meh' :) 17:21:56 *** Samu has quit IRC 17:22:18 <supermop_work> seems easy to do in nrt already, no? 17:23:19 <Wolf01> Maybe some little changes to pathfinding 17:23:37 <Wolf01> Shit s.Berliner III trolled me again 17:24:05 <supermop_work> just need the rv set to co-conspire with the road set 17:24:19 <Wolf01> I hate when fictional engines come up when you are making a seriouss research 17:24:49 <andythenorth> :P 17:28:00 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:36:01 <peter1138> LordAro, well... should it be reoffered? I don't think so. 17:36:48 <peter1138> Is NRT here? 17:38:02 <andythenorth> it's here 17:38:02 <andythenorth> https://github.com/andythenorth/NotRoadTypes/tree/road-and-tram-types 17:38:15 <andythenorth> it needs rebased, and the merge conflicts fixed 17:38:18 <andythenorth> it's probably done 17:39:25 <andythenorth> probably lacks AI and GS support, but eh 17:40:48 <Wolf01> Not so lacking... samu and others tried it and seem to work, almost 17:41:22 <peter1138> What is RATT? 17:41:27 <andythenorth> merge it to master, let it run for next 11 months 17:41:39 <andythenorth> RATT is NRT 17:41:42 <andythenorth> it's the branch name 17:41:49 <peter1138> Ah 17:42:17 <Wolf01> RATT is the public name, NRT is the project name :P 17:42:21 <peter1138> So I'm in branch "road-and-tram-types" and I see sync with RATT. Syncing with itself? 17:42:37 <Wolf01> Probably XD 17:42:46 * Wolf01 <- Dinner 17:43:39 <andythenorth> that's just an odd commit message I think 17:44:07 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I am more surprised the rest of you are hiding 17:44:14 <TrueBrain> why not make it public you are part of OpenTTD? :) 17:44:31 <peter1138> It defaults to private, and nobody else bothered to change it? 17:48:20 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you indeed didnt fork it via GitHub :D Silly goose 17:48:26 <andythenorth> oops 17:48:57 <andythenorth> ancient history now :P 17:49:11 <andythenorth> apply it as one big diff? :P 17:49:19 <andythenorth> commit: one big patch 17:49:27 <TrueBrain> ... lol 17:49:35 <TrueBrain> let me check what mess you made :) 17:49:44 <TrueBrain> I could figure out Wolf01's mess :P 17:49:47 <TrueBrain> <3 17:50:23 <TrueBrain> wow, lot of commits 17:50:31 <peter1138> Problem is the merges when changes get lost in them. 17:52:25 <peter1138> Last merged with r27974 - c46e470 17:52:31 <TrueBrain> 229 patches 17:52:33 <TrueBrain> oef 17:52:53 <TrueBrain> and doesnt apply clean on the head of your own master branch 17:53:32 <peter1138> o_O 17:54:31 <andythenorth> it has 2 merge conflicts 17:54:44 <andythenorth> one needs openttd grf sprites manually merged 17:54:52 <andythenorth> the other is savegame stuff I don't understand :P 17:54:58 <TrueBrain> ghehe 17:55:23 <peter1138> 11518 lines, 557608 characters for the full diff, heh 17:55:27 <TrueBrain> I guess it depends a bit how you want to go forward with this .. indeed as you say commit it as a single patch 17:55:31 <TrueBrain> or do you want to keep this history 17:55:52 <TrueBrain> main issue seems to be that it has merges from several branches 17:57:34 <TrueBrain> 241 non-merge commits 17:57:35 <TrueBrain> hot damn 17:57:48 <TrueBrain> owh, sometimes called sync 17:57:52 <TrueBrain> so that 229 patches is accurate 17:58:01 <TrueBrain> 100 merge commits 17:58:12 <LANJesus> got around to rebasing 17:58:20 <frosch123> i believe there are several experimental things which got reverted again 17:58:23 <LANJesus> peggin my CPU. 17:58:40 <peter1138> I don't think keeping the full history is useful 17:58:40 <TrueBrain> frosch123: that makes it even harder :D 17:58:59 <TrueBrain> I now remember why I rarely merge :D 17:59:13 <frosch123> problem was likely that only master is built on the farm :p 17:59:21 <frosch123> so everything must be in master 17:59:33 <frosch123> well, not "master", but that one branch 17:59:44 <peter1138> rebase apparently makes it harder to share 18:00:06 <andythenorth> we might also have different setups 18:00:10 <peter1138> which is sort of true if it's just random people working it 18:00:24 <TrueBrain> there is a point where there are 23 branches next to eachother 18:00:28 <TrueBrain> which are merged over 12 commits 18:00:59 <TrueBrain> running 'tig' on that branch is briljant 18:01:37 <andythenorth> does github have a tree view like bitbucket? 18:01:39 <andythenorth> I can't find it 18:01:47 <TrueBrain> no clue; locally I use 'tig' for it 18:02:12 <TrueBrain> in the end the branches are merged properly 18:02:18 <TrueBrain> but in between there are times that it is a bit iffy :D 18:02:31 <peter1138> Revert "Merge GUI" 18:02:35 <peter1138> Yeah 18:02:38 <TrueBrain> so rebasing will be very difficult 18:02:56 <TrueBrain> and manually fixing 229 patches is a bit much 18:02:59 <andythenorth> we had multiple branches in two forks 18:03:04 <peter1138> Cherry pick! 18:03:09 <andythenorth> I think this is how most devlolopers are going to do it :P 18:03:24 *** glx_ has joined #openttd 18:03:24 *** glx is now known as Guest2657 18:03:24 *** glx_ is now known as glx 18:03:44 <peter1138> Normally you don't change the base that everybody is working off 18:03:49 <TrueBrain> I honestly dont have a good suggestion for this 18:04:01 <peter1138> Rewrite! 18:04:08 <peter1138> Now you know what you're doing... 18:04:17 <TrueBrain> not relevant peter1138. If they want to continue on the new git, that is easy as pie 18:04:18 <peter1138> Split it up in to logical ... wait, that sounds familiar. 18:04:23 <TrueBrain> just takes some CPU time for git to figure it out 18:04:27 <TrueBrain> but that is simple 18:04:31 <TrueBrain> it is just a bloody mess 18:04:35 <TrueBrain> (their branch) 18:04:38 <TrueBrain> no matter how you slice it 18:05:05 <peter1138> master will get there eventually ;D 18:05:32 <peter1138> Let's go back to svn hah 18:07:32 <andythenorth> history is over-rated, everything has a hash 18:07:36 <andythenorth> don't worry about it :P 18:07:52 <TrueBrain> doesnt happen often that I am unsure how to resolve a git mess properly :D 18:08:03 <andythenorth> hmm tig is colourful 18:08:19 <andythenorth> what are the 'sync' commits? :) 18:08:35 <peter1138> That's what I asked. 18:08:40 <TrueBrain> they have 2 parents; so merges 18:08:42 <andythenorth> and why are there so many merge commits? o_O 18:08:44 <peter1138> so I did a big diff 18:08:51 <peter1138> checked out the same version, applied 18:08:52 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: 100 out of the 329 :) 18:09:06 <peter1138> only the pngs conflict, which is fair enough 18:09:16 <andythenorth> yair, someone added airport sprites :) 18:09:22 <andythenorth> just need to move the light-rail icon 18:09:39 * andythenorth lost in tig 18:09:46 *** Guest2657 has quit IRC 18:09:46 <TrueBrain> without some manual effort I am unsure you can make a clean PR out of this :( 18:10:07 <andythenorth> well gotta break some eggs to learn :) 18:10:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: it's not airport sprites, it's gui sprtes with firecycle 18:10:22 <TrueBrain> don't have 5 merge commits after each ohter? :D 18:10:44 <TrueBrain> with the same right parent .. also interesting 18:10:57 <andythenorth> isn't that just Wolf's editor doing something? 18:11:18 <TrueBrain> especially because they are clean merges 18:11:27 <TrueBrain> it merges a merge :D 18:11:32 <TrueBrain> that explains :) 18:11:48 <TrueBrain> the moment you find out that the left and right parent of the merge are both merges :D 18:12:04 <TrueBrain> haha, and the next level also has merges :D 18:12:18 <andythenorth> 2017-08-04 21:46 is interesting 18:12:19 <frosch123> that's why noone told andy that devzone also supports git :p 18:12:19 <TrueBrain> and one more level :D 18:12:21 <TrueBrain> this is fun :D 18:12:37 <TrueBrain> awh, there it stops 18:12:39 <andythenorth> hth did I merge 7 branches like that? 18:12:41 <TrueBrain> 4 deep merges :D 18:12:49 <TrueBrain> no, there is another name there 18:13:03 <andythenorth> 9 times I merged trunk in? 18:13:17 <TrueBrain> owh, searching for times is annoying :P 18:13:34 <andythenorth> my tig has run out of unique colours 18:13:52 <TrueBrain> yup 18:14:00 <TrueBrain> and no, you merged something that on the left side had a merge 18:14:22 <andythenorth> ok 18:14:44 <TrueBrain> but while you were merging, others merged too :D 18:14:57 <andythenorth> distributed fun :P 18:15:00 <TrueBrain> seems like for ~4 months you only merged into that branch 18:15:05 <andythenorth> yes 18:15:11 <andythenorth> just keeping up with trunk 18:15:22 <TrueBrain> which makes total sense btw 18:16:19 *** Darkvater has joined #openttd 18:16:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Darkvater 18:16:35 <peter1138> The savegame conflict is easy to fix. 18:16:49 <peter1138> I'm not sure what's needed for the sprites, though. 18:16:50 <frosch123> TrueBrain: so, would eints directly push OpenTTD/OpenTTD ? 18:17:21 <TrueBrain> frosch123: or you really would like to accept a PR every day? 18:18:01 *** DarkSSHClone has quit IRC 18:18:09 <frosch123> peter1138: 09f41da863c replaced a few sprites, so i guess use the master file and readd the new nrt sprites 18:18:32 <TrueBrain> most patches apply nicely btw 18:20:15 <andythenorth> peter1138: it's just the tram icon at sprite 178 18:21:23 <Wolf01> <TrueBrain> I could figure out Wolf01's mess :P <- :* 18:21:54 <TrueBrain> dont forget to read the line following ;) 18:22:01 <Wolf01> <3 18:23:25 <Wolf01> I would start fresh as a single patch, as master with remotes, branches only for working on features 18:24:55 <Wolf01> Let me check which unpublished branches I have too :D 18:25:42 <peter1138> http://git.fuzzle.org/openttd.git/log/?h=rgb 18:25:45 <peter1138> 8 years ago... 18:26:03 <peter1138> Er, 5 I mean. 18:26:06 <peter1138> I can Maths. 18:26:19 <andythenorth> it's probably nearly done then 18:26:26 <peter1138> TrueBrain, how I rebase that onto the new master etc? 18:26:36 <Wolf01> Ok, something I could afford to lose, we could move the NRT repo when you want 18:26:41 <peter1138> (leaving that repo read-only, obviously) 18:26:52 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 18:27:41 <TrueBrain> okay, andythenorth, it is not that bad 18:27:44 <TrueBrain> what I did is this: 18:28:03 <TrueBrain> git rebase --onto origin/master deprecated/master deprecated/road-and-tram-types 18:28:08 <TrueBrain> of the 229 patches it applies 18:28:10 <TrueBrain> only 20 conflict 18:28:19 <TrueBrain> the harest are the ones with grf/png changes (binaries) 18:28:22 <TrueBrain> ~8 of them 18:28:29 <TrueBrain> 2 were MSVC project changes 18:28:35 <TrueBrain> the rest were conflicts even I could resolve :P 18:28:37 <andythenorth> some of them just needed openttd.grf rebuilt iirc 18:28:51 <TrueBrain> so if someone goes through that slowly, it is done in a few 18:28:58 <TrueBrain> not the fanciest work, but .. it is also not terrible 18:29:17 <TrueBrain> owh, and a dutch.txt conflict and a greek.txt conflict 18:29:49 <TrueBrain> mainly it seems there was a savegame bump and something changes in master related to road vehicles 18:29:54 <TrueBrain> so that gives a bit of conflicting 18:29:56 <peter1138> Ah, that command "worked" 18:30:07 <TrueBrain> so it is not too bad andythenorth :) 18:30:37 <andythenorth> we will try harder next time 18:30:42 <andythenorth> to be bad :) 18:30:45 <andythenorth> give you challenges 18:30:58 <TrueBrain> what is weird, how-ever, that the first commit is now a revert :D 18:30:58 <andythenorth> I will revert some merges 18:31:03 <TrueBrain> something about gui branch 18:31:07 <andythenorth> reverting merges is always fun later 18:31:18 <peter1138> git reset HEAD~1 18:31:21 <peter1138> is how i revert :p 18:31:37 <andythenorth> git revert [merge] is how I do it 18:31:39 <Wolf01> :D 18:31:41 <andythenorth> followed by trip to docs 18:31:48 <andythenorth> to fix what I broke 18:31:49 <TrueBrain> so andythenorth, if you want to make your branch pull-request worthy, that would be my advise to do 18:32:16 <andythenorth> ok thanks :) 18:32:29 <andythenorth> I saved it to the 'finish NRT' ticket https://github.com/andythenorth/NotRoadTypes/issues/22#issuecomment-379849291 18:33:04 <andythenorth> today is not the day for me to try, for $reasons 18:33:09 <TrueBrain> :) 18:33:26 <TrueBrain> just enjoy the fact knowing it is not helpless 18:35:01 <andythenorth> it's never helpless :) 18:35:17 <andythenorth> we could always have commited the diff from 229 patches, one at a time :P 18:36:12 <TrueBrain> that is what rebasing does :) 18:36:29 <TrueBrain> just with the power of git, and his very good auto-conflict resolving 18:36:53 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 18:41:02 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:45:23 <TrueBrain> frosch123: are the indents in michi_cc's patch really wrong, or is it GitHub? I couldnt figure out .. 18:45:31 <TrueBrain> it seems GitHub doesnt really fancy tabs 18:45:47 <LordAro> github does do weird things with tags 18:45:50 <LordAro> tabs* 18:45:54 <peter1138> GitHub is not auto converting from tabs to spaces is it? 18:46:05 <LordAro> if you add .patch to the commit url, you get raw diff 18:47:04 <TrueBrain> ah 18:47:05 <peter1138> There's definitely spaces in that. 18:47:08 <TrueBrain> there indeed I see the indents are wrong 18:47:12 <TrueBrain> that is a bit annoying 18:47:36 <TrueBrain> frosch123: let me rephrase: why didn't the commit-checker pick up that spaces were used instead of tabs? :D 18:49:06 <glx> svn hook refused spaces IIRC 19:04:31 <Wolf01> Was PAX this weekend? 19:10:36 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 19:11:42 <frosch123> TrueBrain: we have lots of that in 3rdparty and in some ini files 19:12:02 <frosch123> i could add it, but may make it hard for some files 19:12:46 <LordAro> not difficult to exclude a folder 19:12:55 <LordAro> or certain filetypes 19:14:43 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pynd32ks6 <- those are the files which have some lines with two leading blanks 19:14:56 <frosch123> (one leading blank is common in all doxygen) 19:15:40 <frosch123> possibly we could make the check only for *h,*hpp,*cpp 19:15:59 <frosch123> and not 3rdparty 19:16:15 <frosch123> maybe someone makes a PR :) 19:17:51 <frosch123> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-git-hooks/blob/master/test/test.sh#L142 <- you just need to comment in that testcase 19:17:56 <frosch123> and then make it work again :p 19:24:54 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:31:21 <peter1138> Oh god the conflicts. 19:31:44 <frosch123> rgb patch? 19:31:50 <peter1138> Yes :D 19:31:58 <peter1138> I should drop it anyway, it's not useful. 19:32:07 <LordAro> :o 19:32:49 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:34:25 <andythenorth> so when do I get issue editing rights TrueBrain? :D 19:34:42 <Wolf01> Don't :D 19:35:19 <andythenorth> there are 382 open 19:35:25 <andythenorth> I reckon I can reduce that 19:35:35 <andythenorth> ~200 would be good 19:35:55 <andythenorth> invalidation is the least-effort way to solve an issue ;) 19:36:21 <Wolf01> 1-5 bugs, ~100 suggestions is about right 19:37:42 *** muffindrake1 has joined #openttd 19:38:08 *** muffindrake has quit IRC 19:38:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd 19:41:52 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: frosch123 is in charge .. ask him :) 19:42:51 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 19:44:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 19:44:33 <andythenorth> I don't know if frosch123 approves of my work on Flyspray 19:44:38 <andythenorth> I removed about 500 issues :P 19:44:53 *** ericnoan has quit IRC 19:45:00 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:45:14 <andythenorth> I think I have the answer :P 19:45:53 *** dxtr_ has joined #openttd 19:48:02 *** dxtr has quit IRC 19:48:56 *** ericnoan has joined #openttd 19:58:28 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:02:45 *** Gja has quit IRC 20:05:41 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 20:05:57 <frosch123> how rude, 20 minutes no internet 20:06:10 <frosch123> i considered reading a book 20:07:47 <frosch123> andythenorth: if someone knows how permissions work on github (i don't), i am fine with you and lord closing tasks :) 20:09:16 <TrueBrain> I think that they can also approve prs in that case .. do we care? 20:12:00 <frosch123> the "team" stuff only talks about cloning and pushing 20:12:08 <frosch123> no mention of issues and pr 20:12:18 <peter1138> Damn, doing a rebase and got one of the previous fixes wrong ;( 20:13:00 <peter1138> I guess... recompile between rebase --continue :p 20:25:37 <TrueBrain> permission table dhows write means also closing issues 20:26:11 <frosch123> the protect branches also allows assigning some teams 20:26:27 <frosch123> but i do not find unambiguous docs 20:26:55 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:27:15 <andythenorth> I don't want write :P 20:27:18 <TrueBrain> I am sure they will behave ..njust put them in another team :) 20:27:29 <andythenorth> can you ban me with a post-commit hook? 20:27:52 <TrueBrain> we know where they live :p 20:27:55 <peter1138> Heh 20:28:10 <andythenorth> I deliberately got locked out of our production servers at work 20:28:19 <TrueBrain> I prefer post commit punishments 20:28:21 <andythenorth> then I can't be expected to fix things 20:28:30 <andythenorth> which means I won't make Friday mistakes 20:29:03 <andythenorth> I've done dumb stuff even just with fat fingers 20:29:13 <TrueBrain> havent we all 20:29:30 <TrueBrain> part of being iTer 20:29:54 <peter1138> Hmm, weird, network connection dropped. On my LAN :S 20:29:54 <andythenorth> I sank a Landrover and two tractors in quicksand once 20:29:58 <andythenorth> that wasn't ops though :P 20:30:16 <frosch123> how to call the team? "friends"? "cats"? "slaves"? "tributaries"? 20:30:27 <TrueBrain> slaves 20:30:33 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 20:30:43 <TrueBrain> cats sounds fine too 20:30:55 <andythenorth> 'editors' 20:31:09 <frosch123> that would even make sense :p 20:31:13 <andythenorth> ha ha can I be a project manager? 20:31:14 <andythenorth> :D 20:31:21 <TrueBrain> ohoh 20:31:29 <andythenorth> the failure of OpenTTD is because it has no project manager, right? o-O 20:31:38 <andythenorth> I remember those threads 20:31:44 <peter1138> Nah, it's because I lost my patches. 20:31:45 <frosch123> there was only one 20:31:48 <peter1138> At least, the ones that finished it. 20:31:59 <frosch123> *one thread 20:32:43 <TrueBrain> lol 20:32:46 <frosch123> andythenorth: github seems to have a manager role, which is not allowed to do anything but view/edit billing information 20:32:49 <TrueBrain> so much drama 20:33:08 <andythenorth> ha 20:33:15 <andythenorth> managers just pay for stuff 20:33:33 <frosch123> https://help.github.com/articles/permission-levels-for-an-organization/ <- so weird 20:33:51 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 20:33:55 <TrueBrain> what part? 20:34:02 <frosch123> the billing manager column 20:34:03 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 20:34:59 <andythenorth> probably so you can let finance in without giving them access to src 20:35:09 <andythenorth> preserves role segregation for ISO 20:35:32 <andythenorth> probably genuinely useful :P 20:35:57 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:36:00 <TrueBrain> someone gave them enough momey for it 20:36:20 <frosch123> or they needed it themself 20:36:39 <frosch123> but yes, looks somewhat ad-hoc 20:37:27 <andythenorth> I seem to have a zombie process on a BSD-like OS 20:37:28 <andythenorth> wtf 20:37:46 <andythenorth> it's running in the UI, but doesn't show in top 20:39:14 <andythenorth> fuck it restart 20:39:26 <andythenorth> Apple is in a low point of quality again, like 20 years ago 20:39:46 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:55:30 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 20:58:42 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:59:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 21:03:14 <Wolf01> Got rid of the zombie? 21:07:49 <andythenorth> shutdown -h now 21:07:58 <andythenorth> nothing else would kill it 21:08:35 <andythenorth> my anti-virus still isn't working, but the zombie is gone 21:09:00 <Wolf01> Ha 21:09:19 <andythenorth> I have to run the AV scan manually :P 21:09:26 <andythenorth> it's scheduling tool won't start 21:17:05 <peter1138> You should run Windows. 21:17:10 <peter1138> Far more reliable. 21:17:36 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:17:59 <andythenorth> people who've switched say it is 21:18:08 <andythenorth> and a better UI 21:18:10 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:18:23 <peter1138> Hmm, I got jenkins to run my unit tests automatically finally. 21:18:26 <andythenorth> :) 21:18:47 <peter1138> And half fail because they need extra bits that aren't in the unit test project. Good job. 21:20:14 <peter1138> Hah, there's an MS SQL server connection string in there. That hasn't been used for 4 years. 21:20:37 <andythenorth> door_bbboxes should be door_bboxes 21:20:51 <andythenorth> but on a £2500 Mac laptop, working keys are not a feature 21:20:59 <andythenorth> it's a joke 21:22:49 * andythenorth is now just waiting for a credible alternative to macOS 21:22:57 <andythenorth> then I can switch 21:25:10 <andythenorth> Macs use to cost £1200, and have a working keyboard 21:25:16 * andythenorth should stop whining 21:31:03 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:49:00 <Wolf01> 'night 21:49:12 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:13:50 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 22:16:58 *** Wacko1976_ has joined #openttd 22:21:19 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 22:32:25 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 22:44:07 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 22:44:11 *** Pikka has joined #openttd 22:47:39 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 22:49:23 *** urdh has quit IRC 22:50:04 *** urdh has joined #openttd 23:05:29 *** muffe has quit IRC 23:05:37 *** muffe has joined #openttd 23:14:46 *** Thedarkb1 has quit IRC 23:36:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has quit IRC