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For me. 10:18:55 <peter1138> Hmm, silly spec, refer to a 4-byte header, to encode the message length. 10:19:17 <peter1138> But actually the length is 'encoded' as a text string, so "0020" would be a 20 character message. 10:19:39 <peter1138> It is technically 4 bytes, but... 10:20:18 <peter1138> Anyone actually use mouse-wheel map scrolling? 10:23:26 <nielsm> maybe someone who's actually using a trackpad would 10:23:44 <nielsm> I can imagine two-finder scrolling on a trackpad making sense for it 10:23:48 <nielsm> two-finger* 10:24:28 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 10:24:35 <peter1138> andythenorth would know 10:25:04 <andythenorth> I turned on trackpad scroll yesterday 10:25:06 <andythenorth> it's great 10:25:09 <peter1138> Hmm, shame my Mac died, mind you it wouldn't be running the current version anyway. 10:25:13 <andythenorth> I couldn't use it before beacuse broken 10:25:59 <peter1138> How does it work? Two fingers? 10:26:01 <andythenorth> yes 10:26:04 <andythenorth> left and right 10:26:28 <peter1138> Err 10:26:47 <andythenorth> (it scrolls left and right) 10:26:53 <andythenorth> and up and down 10:27:00 * andythenorth should type better 10:27:10 <andythenorth> or not irc and RL talk 10:31:46 <peter1138> Oh right. 10:31:51 <peter1138> Hmm 10:31:52 <peter1138> Well 10:32:30 <peter1138> Does it work with scrollbars too? 10:32:39 <andythenorth> in-game, yes 10:32:49 <andythenorth> it works with anything that would respond to mousewheel scroll 10:32:55 <peter1138> Hmm, do we have horizontal scrollbars? 10:33:05 <peter1138> Think so :p 10:33:09 <andythenorth> and on OS X you can shift-mousewheel for horizontal scroll, which it simulates 10:33:23 <peter1138> Hmm 10:33:35 <peter1138> See, the issue is this feature is only supported for OS X. 10:33:40 <peter1138> Which seems nuts. 10:33:55 <peter1138> So I've got it sort of working on Windows, but I can't really compare how it works. 10:34:20 <peter1138> Plus I've only got a mouse, with the awkward push the scrollwheel left/right action, which is shitty. 10:37:27 <andythenorth> I can see the problem 10:37:40 <andythenorth> can't think of any suggestions though :P 10:37:53 <peter1138> Actually, I'm dumb. I have a laptop. 10:37:56 <peter1138> Oh, but it runs Linux. 10:38:26 <peter1138> Also kinda old, so may not understand 2 fingers anyway. 10:39:01 <andythenorth> had a Sony years ago with some magic bit of trackpad that was the scroll track 10:39:07 <andythenorth> nice theory 10:39:36 <peter1138> Yeah, annoying. 10:40:01 <peter1138> I had one machine where it behaved differently depending on the driver, which sort of makes sense. 10:40:22 <peter1138> Hmm, Logitech stopped selling their standalone trackpad. 10:41:05 <peter1138> T650. 10:51:20 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 10:57:18 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 11:22:16 <peter1138> Hmm, seems it was non-standard anyway, so anything that may work wouldn't mean much :p 11:29:54 <peter1138> Hmm, could do it with SDL as well. Scroll-left and -right are mapped to buttons there. 11:33:08 <andythenorth> o_O 11:33:44 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 11:34:37 <peter1138> Not quite the same thing, I'm sure :p 11:39:29 <nielsm> someone will complain that scrolling will be in steps and not smooth, or similar 11:43:07 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 11:44:29 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 11:54:48 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 11:58:34 <Wolf01> https://i2.wp.com/farm1.staticflickr.com/902/40733658865_da9294cff7_z.jpg?resize=625%2C414&ssl=1 andythenorth: ship 12:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> what would you use that for, in terms of gameplay? 12:13:03 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 12:15:44 <V453000> FOR SHIPPING 12:17:09 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 12:28:29 <andythenorth> Wolf01: supplies ship 12:28:35 <andythenorth> not in Sam yet :P 12:59:52 *** HeyCitizen has joined #openttd 13:16:18 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 13:48:30 *** TinoDidriksen has quit IRC 13:48:42 *** TinoDidriksen has joined #openttd 13:51:11 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 13:55:49 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 13:55:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 13:58:44 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:01:50 *** jinks has quit IRC 14:01:53 *** jinks has joined #openttd 14:05:04 *** Jon_ has joined #openttd 14:06:09 *** Jon_ has left #openttd 14:44:56 *** gelignite has quit IRC 14:57:15 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:18:06 *** Ttech has quit IRC 15:19:54 *** Ttech has joined #openttd 15:23:11 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 15:23:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 15:30:06 *** Vadtec has quit IRC 15:30:07 *** tokai has quit IRC 15:30:31 *** Vadtec has joined #openttd 15:32:29 *** tokai has joined #openttd 15:32:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 15:32:58 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 15:33:14 *** som89 has joined #openttd 15:34:39 *** som89__ has quit IRC 15:37:37 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 15:44:32 *** Pikka has joined #openttd 15:48:02 <Pikka> andythenorth, otoh: https://i.imgur.com/z9E2PjI.png 15:48:57 <andythenorth> Pikka: also cute 15:49:11 <andythenorth> also brake vans on pax trains? o_O 15:50:34 <Pikka> only under exceptional circumstances :) 15:51:20 <Pikka> did you see one? 15:52:36 <andythenorth> pink train 2 http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9029/such%20civil.png 15:52:45 <andythenorth> also I really like the trains they're building 15:54:32 <Pikka> :D 15:54:47 <andythenorth> they make correct choices so far 15:58:07 <Pikka> and a lot of passenger trains for an AI that doesn't build passenger trains yet :) 16:01:56 <andythenorth> ha 16:02:13 <andythenorth> it's got full-load and no-load orders :P 16:02:26 <andythenorth> makes money though 16:04:36 *** quiznilo has joined #openttd 16:06:42 <Pikka> normally, it only transports cargos to industries which produce food, goods or nothing. But when it's building a second line into a terminus, it considers all cargos that the station accepts, instead of just what the "target" industry accepts. So you get emergent behaviour, like collecting passengers from FIRS hotels. :) 16:07:06 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:07:16 <andythenorth> tidy 16:09:06 <Pikka> as for the brake vans, its definition is a wagon which carries nothing, and can go as fast as the wagons. So if the brakevan has a lower maximum speed than the passenger cars, it shouldn't build it. 16:10:48 <Alberth> a non-braking brakevan :) 16:19:40 <andythenorth> brakevan has no speed limit 16:19:42 <andythenorth> because reasons 16:20:02 <Pikka> yarr 16:20:17 <Pikka> of course, when it builds "real" passenger trains, no brakevans :) but that can wait 16:20:20 <andythenorth> well emergent behaviour is fun 16:20:32 <andythenorth> glad I didn't start an AI :P 16:20:38 <andythenorth> I'd be completely lost to the world 16:28:57 <Pikka> it's quite a rabbit hole 16:33:25 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 16:39:04 *** Alberth has left #openttd 16:42:27 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:42:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:47:04 *** Mavy_ has quit IRC 16:47:04 *** Mavy has joined #openttd 16:53:32 <frosch123> https://github.com/frosch123/bananas2/blob/master/docs/data.md <- done with barfing, now finally some coding 16:54:18 <frosch123> TrueBrain: feel free to throw GDPR at it :) 16:59:46 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 17:07:15 <nielsm> time to put the CI to work again 17:10:32 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 17:10:33 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 17:13:44 *** dihedral has quit IRC 17:13:58 *** dihedral has joined #openttd 17:14:59 <nielsm> just replaced the HEPA filter in my air cleaner, the old filter felt much heavier than the new so I weighed them 17:15:22 <nielsm> appears the old filter had collected about 100 grams of tine particles over the past year 17:16:08 <nielsm> I'm glad I have that running, after getting that number 17:22:32 *** Yexo has quit IRC 17:22:48 *** tneo has quit IRC 17:22:57 *** tneo has joined #openttd 17:22:57 *** Yexo has joined #openttd 17:23:04 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 17:23:27 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttd 17:35:30 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 17:36:32 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:37:31 *** Webster has joined #openttd 17:38:00 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 17:38:33 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttd 17:40:17 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 18:06:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:07:11 <andythenorth> well 18:09:25 <Wolf01> yes 18:10:00 *** angguss[m] has quit IRC 18:10:09 *** angguss[m] has joined #openttd 18:39:42 <michi_cc> nielsm: Got an access violation at win32_m.cpp:89 (midiOutLongMsg) on the first TransmitSysexConst in Start 18:40:10 <nielsm> huh 18:40:37 <nielsm> what os and midi driver? 18:41:03 <nielsm> also debug or release build? 18:41:33 <TrueBrain> lol @ frosch123 .. you had some fun writing that, didn't you? 18:42:53 <frosch123> i used it to add details to the table layout :) 18:42:57 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I can already tell you Person.name has to be changed in the Delete category: no, anominized only 18:43:46 <michi_cc> nielsm: Debug, VS2017, Win10, 64-bit 18:43:48 <TrueBrain> which can exist next to "invisible" btw 18:44:29 <nielsm> I have no idea how it should be able to fail, that part 18:45:37 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I would rename 'pending' into 'draft', as pending sounds like some system is stillw orking on it 18:46:03 <nielsm> actually, let me see if I can make a 64 bit build myself 18:46:15 <frosch123> TrueBrain: is the username so special? we have to keep account names to make banning effective, so how much more value is there in usernames? 18:46:16 <nielsm> last I tried that the compiler crashed with an internal error 18:46:19 <michi_cc> nielsm: I would suggest re-reading the docs for midiOutPrepareHeader, especially the part about what to set before calling it (and not after). 18:46:19 <TrueBrain> frosch123: and will read it in more detail in the weekend; but your promise made me giggle :D 18:46:19 <nielsm> (VS2015) 18:46:34 <frosch123> TrueBrain: :p 18:46:36 <TrueBrain> frosch123: Person.name != Person.username :) 18:46:50 <TrueBrain> we also track peoples real name, in general 18:46:50 <frosch123> well, it's not supposed to be a real name 18:47:02 <TrueBrain> our other systems do, hence the jump there 18:47:27 <TrueBrain> there is also an idoligy behind that: if you are asked for your real name and username, you are much less likely to use your real name in your username, by accident etc 18:48:06 <TrueBrain> possibly nice to make 'show my real name' / 'show my nickname' 18:48:19 <TrueBrain> but okay, if you meant username/nickname, sure 18:48:48 *** chomwitt has joined #openttd 18:48:55 <nielsm> michi_cc oh I see 18:49:05 <michi_cc> nielsm: I.e. if I modify TransmitSysex accordingly, it doesn't crash :) 18:49:47 <nielsm> I guess it's a difference in 32 bit and 64 bit mmsystem 18:50:00 <nielsm> with 32 bit being more lax 18:52:43 <TrueBrain> frosch123: come to think of it, even for nicknames I think it would be nice .. storing that for ever seems silly 18:52:53 <TrueBrain> and how would it make banning any more or less effective 18:52:54 <TrueBrain> ? 18:53:13 <TrueBrain> I think banning should be done on the link to that Person. Which we store, for, say, 3 months 18:53:30 <TrueBrain> (we cannot ban someone for life btw; but that is just the fine-print) 18:53:41 <frosch123> if a person registers with their github account 18:53:49 <frosch123> i want to ban that github account 18:53:57 <frosch123> so i need to store the github login name 18:54:02 <nielsm> let me just try to make a 64 bit build again... 18:54:04 <TrueBrain> so we ban that github account; we can still change Person.name into 'banned' :) 18:54:15 <TrueBrain> but we can blacklist the link data 18:55:43 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 18:56:12 <TrueBrain> either way, have to read it with more attention to really comment :) Too sleepy tonight for that :) 18:56:30 <frosch123> thanks anyway :) 18:57:20 <michi_cc> frosch123: Any comment on the open review thing (if formatting) at https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6767 ? 18:58:12 * andythenorth opts out of processing 18:58:54 <frosch123> michi_cc: i would write it on the same line, but i also deliberately ignored that on some other PR, just to not annoy with details :) 18:58:59 *** Zexaron has joined #openttd 18:59:56 <frosch123> just "\n" without "{" is forbidden 19:00:36 <nielsm> michi_cc I can't reprouce the crash, but I see it's wrong per MSDN so preparing fix :) 19:05:22 <nielsm> anything else? 19:23:42 <michi_cc> nielsm: I can hear music :p 19:24:11 <Pikka> uhoh 19:24:14 <frosch123> call the cops 19:25:03 <nielsm> sounds good? 19:25:04 <nielsm> :) 19:27:03 *** synchris has quit IRC 19:30:34 <michi_cc> nielsm: It sounds like always (which is good here) on the bog standard windows synth. 19:31:42 <andythenorth> Pikka: these AIs are very civil 19:32:03 <Pikka> is that a good thing? 19:33:18 <andythenorth> yes, but not as a spectator sport 19:33:30 <andythenorth> if they were more aggressive in gameplay it would be boring 19:33:33 <andythenorth> but I am just watching :P 19:33:53 <andythenorth> oh this is like the Godwin rule for UK grfs https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1206345#p1206345 19:34:12 <Pikka> :) I was going to say 19:34:14 <nielsm> michi_cc: I suppose the more interesting testing would be whether it also works as well on less powerful machines and on older versions of windows 19:34:28 <nielsm> but I don't really have any setup to test that myself 19:34:54 <nielsm> but I _think_ I've limited API calls to things present back to win95 19:36:25 <nielsm> there, pushed the midiOutPrepareHeader fix 19:36:57 <glx> hard to say as MSDN info about minimum version is not really accurate now 19:37:34 <nielsm> unfortunately yes :( 19:37:54 <michi_cc> Windows 2000 can most of the time be read as Win 9x, too. 19:38:00 *** cHawk has quit IRC 19:38:55 <andythenorth> actually it's a bit less civil about RVs :) 19:39:50 <nielsm> the thing I'm most unsure about re. compatibility might be timeSetEvent with callback function, and second place are the critical section things 19:39:51 <glx> but I think midiOut stuff was already in win9x, for low level access 19:40:07 <nielsm> yes that api dates back to windows 3.0 afaik 19:41:23 <nielsm> https://archive.org/details/msdncds <- this might be useful! 19:41:56 <glx> I had one in VB4 time 19:45:51 <nielsm> I'll download the october 2001 version and install it on my WinMe retro pc 19:46:33 <glx> I'm checking in mingw winapi to see if there are guards around the functions 19:47:20 *** m1cr0man has quit IRC 19:47:25 *** m1cr0man has joined #openttd 19:47:39 <michi_cc> Japanese MSDN says Win95: https://msdn.microsoft.com/ja-jp/library/cc428796.aspx 19:48:36 <nielsm> cool 19:49:18 <andythenorth> hey look http://pikka.users.tt-forums.net/wiki/index.php?title=EE_GT3 19:49:26 <andythenorth> somebody did it already :P 19:49:45 <glx> it's crazy how having boost slows the search in files 19:49:47 <Pikka> scuddles, what a surprise 19:50:21 <andythenorth> scuddles is a mystery to me 19:51:06 <Pikka> haven't spoken to him for a while... mostly because I'm never online on steam any more 19:53:57 <glx> nielsm: critical section seems ok too 19:55:34 <andythenorth> shall I tell SYL there's a GT 3 in UKRS 3 o_O 19:55:41 <andythenorth> would be rude not to include it 19:55:57 <Pikka> yuck 19:56:27 <andythenorth> it's not so bad, it's just 'why?' 19:56:56 *** axoi has quit IRC 19:57:07 *** axoi has joined #openttd 19:58:41 *** Gja has joined #openttd 20:03:11 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 20:05:44 *** ^Spike^ has quit IRC 20:05:57 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttd 20:08:24 *** donar has quit IRC 20:08:25 *** donar has joined #openttd 20:09:28 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:13:38 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 20:37:39 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 20:42:48 *** gooodger has quit IRC 20:43:10 *** goodger has joined #openttd 20:48:39 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:53:18 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:03:20 *** muffe has quit IRC 21:03:24 *** muffe has joined #openttd 21:03:25 <nielsm> in case anyone vetoes my PR for removing the dmusic driver, I have an alternate patch ready that adds reliable volume control to it instead ;) 21:04:59 <nielsm> and now, goodnight 21:05:06 <nielsm> vacation is over for me 21:13:07 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:15:04 *** tyteen4a03 has quit IRC 21:15:07 *** tyteen4a03 has joined #openttd 21:25:12 *** Mazur has quit IRC 21:25:26 *** Mazur has joined #openttd 21:43:00 <Wolf01> 'night 21:43:02 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:47:19 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:52:06 *** Pokka has joined #openttd 21:58:54 *** Pikka has quit IRC 22:23:27 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 22:29:48 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 22:45:24 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:12:12 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:21:28 *** OsteHovel has quit IRC 23:21:39 *** OsteHovel has joined #openttd 23:23:42 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 23:24:45 *** Zexaron has quit IRC 23:42:32 *** TrueBrain has quit IRC 23:42:45 *** TrueBrain has joined #openttd 23:44:24 <peter1138> argh 23:55:40 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:57:57 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC