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Hmmm. 13:41:48 <peter1138> I should work on the promised patches before I get distracted :S 13:42:19 <LordAro> ha 13:45:03 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 13:54:34 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest4618 13:54:34 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 13:55:17 <andythenorth> ha ha, it is quite neat to watch :) https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1208032#p1208032 13:56:27 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 13:58:02 <m3henry> Yeah, I do like that a lot 13:58:27 <V453000> :0 Microsoft to rule them all 14:01:53 <peter1138> Whatever happened to running sounds... 14:02:02 *** Guest4618 has quit IRC 14:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> aw damn, the tiny-insects-that-crawl-into-monitors season has begun, and i can't have any open windows anymore 14:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: pikka decided they were a BAD FEATURE and removed them 14:02:24 <peter1138> :( 14:02:27 <peter1138> I miss them. 14:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't understand the reasoning either 14:02:50 <peter1138> Perhaps we should've had separate volume controls for different things, like other games... 14:04:08 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:04:18 *** supermop has quit IRC 14:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause> what? modern UI? 14:05:27 <andythenorth> volume per train? o_O 14:05:47 <peter1138> Don't be silly. 14:06:21 <peter1138> Master, UI, ambient, running? 14:06:23 <Eddi|zuHause> volume per levelcrossing 14:06:26 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 14:06:41 <peter1138> HONK! HONK! volume 14:06:56 <Eddi|zuHause> *dingdingding* 14:10:52 <andythenorth> new menu for choosing the sound effect, per vehicle 14:11:01 <andythenorth> or via ctrl-click :P 14:11:34 <andythenorth> oh dear 14:11:42 <andythenorth> and we only just switched to GitHub too :( 14:11:44 <m3henry> tracker style interface for configuring sounds 14:11:53 <andythenorth> now where will we move to? 14:12:29 <m3henry> As I understand it, you have the rsources for self-hosting 14:12:37 <m3henry> resources* 14:12:42 <andythenorth> nope 14:13:28 <Eddi|zuHause> err, the move to github was partly because of getting away from self-hosting 14:14:42 <m3henry> Well bitbucket is popular 14:14:48 <andythenorth> no free git 14:15:17 <andythenorth> or if there is, I couldn't find it :) 14:18:08 <LordAro> gitlab is nice 14:18:14 <LordAro> as i said from the start :p 14:18:57 <m3henry> At work we intended to host a GitLab server, but never got around to it. I personally hosted Gogs 14:20:06 <andythenorth> LordAro: can you find the gitlab 'Community' edition on their site? 14:20:16 <andythenorth> it's referenced as free for open source, but I can't find the plan 14:20:41 <andythenorth> peter1138: I'll try building this later https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6803#issuecomment-394342819 14:20:46 <andythenorth> ping me if I forget :P 14:21:44 <peter1138> github is nice. 14:22:04 <peter1138> Don't have any issue with the news myself. 14:22:29 <andythenorth> tbh, microsoft are currently tyhe 14:22:33 <andythenorth> the winning tech company 14:23:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's fine, while they are still in "embrace" mode 14:23:03 <andythenorth> Apple have stacked it into the cliff, Google is Evil, and Amazon is Amazon 14:23:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but it definitely won't stay this way 14:23:58 <Eddi|zuHause> if trump doesn't burn everything down, microsoft will in 5 years... 14:24:13 <LordAro> andythenorth: https://about.gitlab.com/installation/ ? 14:24:28 <andythenorth> nah, that's not SaaS 14:24:47 <LordAro> oh, you mean the site itself 14:25:10 <andythenorth> gitlab SaaS looks commercial 14:25:21 <andythenorth> the free version is relatively limited (fair enough) 14:25:43 <LordAro> wait, what do you mean? 14:25:49 <LordAro> https://gitlab.com/explore ? 14:26:15 <andythenorth> https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/#gitlab-com 14:26:48 <LordAro> yeah, see above 14:27:51 <m3henry> Would you intend to move the building in to the CI? 14:28:10 <peter1138> gitlab smells. 14:28:19 * andythenorth is confused 14:29:21 * LordAro is confused about andythenorth's confusion 14:30:23 <andythenorth> is there a way to have a free license for an organisation on gitlab> 14:30:25 <andythenorth> ? 14:30:50 <LordAro> isn't it just the same as github? you create one 14:30:59 <m3henry> What about GNU Savannah? 14:31:10 <peter1138> All the plans mention DevOps. Are they all hipsters? 14:31:15 <LordAro> yes 14:31:19 <LordAro> m3henry: booooo 14:31:34 <peter1138> github is fine, it's not going anywhere yet :p 14:31:47 <LordAro> also that 14:32:11 <andythenorth> I just think we'll have more 'github is evil' rage quits from potential contributors 14:32:16 <andythenorth> more than we already had 14:32:20 <peter1138> Fuck them. 14:32:26 <andythenorth> neatly put 14:32:36 <andythenorth> ok moving on 14:33:15 <Eddi|zuHause> tbh, i haven't seen any evidence that the other "cloud" storages are any less evil 14:33:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: we're supposed to host our own, in a bedrom, on ADSl 14:33:47 <andythenorth> because that's provably not evil 14:33:55 <andythenorth> right 14:34:28 <andythenorth> and we should build our own hardware too 14:34:46 <andythenorth> because government opens hardware shipments of servers and networking gear 14:34:50 <andythenorth> and inserts invisible malware 14:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that is definitely a thing that actually happened :p 14:35:05 <andythenorth> it is 14:35:06 <andythenorth> yes 14:35:59 <andythenorth> unrelated, there is a great write up of Stuxnet recently 14:36:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's not the primary reason why "closed" hardware is a bad idea 14:36:32 <andythenorth> oh here we go https://www.langner.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/to-kill-a-centrifuge.pdf 14:36:49 <andythenorth> it's very interesting 14:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm half sure i heard a talk about that 14:38:26 <andythenorth> BBL 14:38:28 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:00:34 *** synchris has joined #openttd 15:04:55 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:04:55 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:05:27 <m3henry> G'day 15:05:59 <Alberth> we switch to github, en promotly microsoft caquires github????!!! 15:06:05 <Alberth> *acquires 15:06:24 <Alberth> and *promptly 15:06:40 <m3henry> and *then ? 15:07:03 <peter1138> We were obviously the deciding factor, yes. 15:10:32 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 15:10:32 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 15:17:23 *** tokai has quit IRC 15:25:08 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:28:48 <FLHerne> Hm 15:29:08 <FLHerne> As pointed out by someone on Reddit, there are no Debian Stretch builds 15:29:15 <FLHerne> Probably should be 15:29:33 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 15:44:18 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 15:45:53 *** Mazur has quit IRC 15:54:38 *** Mazur has joined #openttd 15:55:25 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:03:16 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:03:20 <LordAro> FLHerne: there's no nightly at all at the moment 16:03:24 <LordAro> nightlies* 16:03:38 <LordAro> ubuntu builds are similarly broken due to the ICU issue 16:07:30 *** synchris has quit IRC 16:08:16 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 16:08:19 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:08:44 *** synchris has joined #openttd 16:13:33 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:14:00 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:22:42 *** m3henry has quit IRC 16:28:33 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 16:35:41 *** Alberth has left #openttd 16:39:47 *** Gja has quit IRC 16:46:35 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:49:26 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:54:12 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:56:19 <peter1138> Yeah, we don't have *any* builds at the moment :p 16:56:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:58:23 <andythenorth> maybe that's a thing :P 17:01:11 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: is the idea something like: sandbox sub-consists, don't let newgrf read vars outside them? 17:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that, yes 17:04:41 <andythenorth> no more liveries based on lead engine eh :) 17:04:52 <andythenorth> or would we just sandbox cb36 & friends? 17:05:17 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 17:05:36 <Eddi|zuHause> depends :p 17:06:59 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 17:07:04 <andythenorth> gets interesting if consist templates is ever a thing :P 17:07:16 <andythenorth> I am -1 on all the shunting stuff for my games, but it's pretty neat 17:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm just afraid it won't be nearly as flexible as the feature that exists in my head 17:08:28 <andythenorth> somehow, consists templates are the same thing as shunting :P 17:08:36 <andythenorth> there's just an implementation detail about splitting at stations :P 17:10:09 <andythenorth> peter1138: dunno what I did wrong, but 6803 seems to compile for me 17:10:52 <andythenorth> does this diff look right? https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ptg3woh3x/9urfv1/raw 17:15:45 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:19:24 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:19:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:20:52 <Wolf01> o/( 17:24:35 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 17:28:45 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:39:41 <andythenorth> hi Wolf01 17:39:46 <andythenorth> and others 17:41:18 <andythenorth> so my concerns here are (1) 64 types is untested (afaik), rest of NRT is pretty well tested (2) do we have to have a bunfight about 'is 64 a good idea' (can we not?) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6811#issuecomment-394187977 17:45:32 <Wolf01> The problem is: how 64 types will integrate with BGT? 17:49:38 <andythenorth> wonderfully 17:50:10 <andythenorth> also, with 64 types, can we have non-buildable types, to bridge the compatibility crap? o_O 17:50:44 <Wolf01> That's another story, I already asked that saturday 17:51:51 <Wolf01> https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/06/04/1314247/microsoft-acquires-github-for-75b so, it's true then 17:53:49 <andythenorth> it's not April 1 17:59:49 <LANJesus> how long until search is powered by bing? 18:16:17 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 18:17:04 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:44:28 <peter1138> andythenorth, well, it's a diff, but... contains other stuff. 18:45:05 <peter1138> andythenorth, if you did git diff master, then it would be reverting changes that are in master but not the branch. 18:45:44 <peter1138> BGT? 18:46:47 <Wolf01> ButGroundTypes 18:54:05 <peter1138> Why would it not? 18:54:57 <Wolf01> It shouldn't be a problem 18:55:06 <peter1138> I mean, you're probably right, it's all unlikely to get in 18:55:57 <glx> Wolf01: there's even 2 links to blog posts when you visit github 18:56:38 <Wolf01> Yeah, I noticed them after the usual RSS reading 18:58:23 *** Tony has joined #openttd 18:58:36 <Tony> Anyone online? 18:59:07 <nielsm> yes 19:04:08 <andythenorth> peter1138: well 6803 does compile for me :P I am on OS X 10.12, CF claims to be 10.9 19:04:11 <peter1138> Yes but everyone's too busy moaning about Github 19:04:14 <andythenorth> just wondering if I'm wrong 19:10:01 *** Tony has quit IRC 19:10:08 *** Tony has joined #openttd 19:33:51 <LANJesus> meh stfu about MSFT acquisition. there's nothing you can do except petition them to not be dicks about it 19:34:05 <LANJesus> though if they are dicks, everyone will just flee to gitlab or something 19:39:47 <peter1138> Quite 19:40:56 <nielsm> I think it'll be more interesting how many of the internal developers on github stay 19:41:25 <nielsm> if half the team behind it leaves or are moved elsewhere, that's more likely to cause trouble 19:48:59 *** Neon has joined #openttd 19:52:26 <Neon> Don't know if you can help me with this. We have installed FIRS 3, just started a new server with EXTREME economy and some train trailers appear to be for different cargos. E.g. the oil tanker transports bauxite and the wood truck clay. We only have zbase and FIRS 3 installed. No other mods. Is there a possibility to switch cargo or something? 19:53:18 <Wolf01> You need a trainset compatible with firs 19:53:21 <Wolf01> Blame andythenorth 19:53:28 <ST2> and RV's too 19:54:15 <ST2> shhh, dnt blame andythenorth... or he'll break FIRS again :D 19:54:43 <Neon> Do you happen to know a trainset working with FIRS? 19:54:58 <V453000> NUTS :P 19:54:59 <Wolf01> UKRS 19:55:12 <Neon> Will we have to start a new game? 19:55:17 <Wolf01> Yes 19:55:18 <ST2> standard: OpenGFX+trains - or Iron Horse 19:57:58 <Neon> Can you recommend me one? :P 19:58:22 <Neon> I see that NUTS adds some crazy stuff?! 19:59:14 <V453000> :d 19:59:23 <V453000> NUTS master race 19:59:53 <Wolf01> That is biased :> 20:00:02 <V453000> impossible 20:00:18 <V453000> 100% objective, was on TV verified info 20:00:44 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 20:00:51 <Neon> OpenGFX+ is more near to TTD defaults? 20:01:43 <Wolf01> Yes 20:02:04 <andythenorth> V453000 fake news 20:02:24 <V453000> propaganda 101 20:03:19 <Neon> Thank you for your quick help. I'm happy this channel is still active. 20:14:42 *** synchris has quit IRC 20:15:28 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 20:16:53 *** Tirili has quit IRC 20:19:40 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:35:52 <peter1138> Hmm 20:36:16 <peter1138> identifier "SAFEGUARD_DO_NOT_USE_THIS_METHOD" is undefined 20:36:27 <peter1138> I wonder what method that is, though. 20:43:26 <peter1138> calloc 20:44:58 <glx> don't use it :) 20:45:27 <peter1138> I'm not! 20:45:43 <peter1138> I'm trying to compile PR 6798 20:46:03 <peter1138> (Which also doesn't use it, but triggers the error) 20:47:07 <michi_cc> What strange compiler are you using? MSVC 2017 seems fine :) 20:48:29 <glx> 2015 is ok too 20:48:31 <peter1138> I'm using MSVC 2017. 20:49:04 <peter1138> Says it's compiling string.cpp 20:49:12 <peter1138> But doesn't give a line number. 20:49:18 <peter1138> Well, it does. 20:49:26 <peter1138> File xlocale, line 697. 20:49:41 <peter1138> c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio17\Community\VC\Tools\MSVC.12.25827\include\xlocale 20:49:44 <peter1138> o_O 20:50:51 <Wolf01> It loaded base libraries? 20:50:54 <Neon> How can we set what kind of cargo the train carriages can carry? 20:51:14 <peter1138> Click on the refit button. 20:51:44 <michi_cc> peter1138: That's not the current toolset, check if you're running version 15.7.3. 20:52:18 <Neon> peter1138: Where is it? :( 20:52:47 <glx> in the vehicle view Neon 20:52:53 <Neon> Got it. 20:53:40 <peter1138> michi_cc, well, okay, I'll update. But it compiles fine before these changes o_O 20:59:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 21:00:13 <Wolf01> 'night 21:00:16 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:00:18 <andythenorth> bye 21:00:19 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:00:26 <michi_cc> peter1138: Dos moving the include from string.cpp:599 to the top help? 21:00:41 <peter1138> Can't test, it's upgrading :p 21:15:53 <peter1138> c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio17\Community\VC\Tools\MSVC.14.26428\include\xlocale 21:16:08 <peter1138> Same error, in that version. 21:16:26 <peter1138> Running 15.7.3 now. 21:17:40 <peter1138> Yeah, if the include is before safeguards.h it'll compile. 21:17:44 <peter1138> Which seems right. 21:22:20 <michi_cc> I still have no idea how my Visual Studio compiles it just fine. 21:22:55 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:24:47 <peter1138> Also I get another error but that's DMUSIC related, not this PR. 21:25:09 <peter1138> And that might be something to do with the useful package. 21:25:22 <peter1138> Severity Code Description Project File Line Suppression State 21:25:22 <peter1138> Warning C4005 'FACILITY_DIRECTMUSIC': macro redefinition (compiling source file ..\src\music\dmusic.cpp) openttd c:\users\peter\source\openttd essentials\shared\include\dmerror.h 12 21:25:31 <peter1138> Ooops, that pasted badly :( 21:25:57 <michi_cc> peter1138: Yeah, it shoul work if you just remove all directmusic files that come from ottd-useful. The rewritten code needs SDK headers only. 21:26:23 <peter1138> It still compiles but yeah 21:26:27 *** Fuco has joined #openttd 21:26:38 <peter1138> I figured it was something like that. 21:27:33 <michi_cc> The dmerror.h we ship is some crazy old version. We had an #undef for that macro to remove the warning, but the current SDK dmerror.h does not define the macro, so the #undef causes it to fail. 21:28:38 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:28:50 <peter1138> I think TrueBrain was working on just not needing that thing 21:34:01 <ST2> daaaamn: peter1138 (#3862/a.b.c.d.7.6.5.5.0.6.5.4.6.7.d.9.1.f.e.8.d.d.5.6.0.b.8.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa <<-- that's a really weird ons :D 21:37:20 <peter1138> What's weird? 21:37:33 <ST2> nothing, nothing :D 21:38:20 <peter1138> I don't get to control what weird ass stuff my ISP does for rdns :p 21:38:22 <ST2> I just needed some chats with my friendly search engine :D 21:38:53 <ST2> imo, that's the perfect one - confuses the hell :D 21:42:38 *** Neon has quit IRC 21:43:07 <peter1138> Well it seems to has valid forward and reverse DNS, but I have no idea why they've done it like that o_O 21:43:15 <peter1138> s/has/have/ 21:57:48 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has quit IRC 21:58:18 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:59:12 *** Fuco has quit IRC 22:04:16 *** Fuco has joined #openttd 22:06:54 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:18:35 <peter1138> michi_cc, all seems to work. Wonder what TrueBrain makes of it :p 22:19:01 <peter1138> My exe is only 5.5MB now. 22:20:38 <Eddi|zuHause> what? modern games must be at least 60GB and ship a 1.5GB patch every month 22:20:48 <peter1138> ikr 22:21:02 <Eddi|zuHause> at least they don't need a spec 22:21:06 <peter1138> :D 22:30:32 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 22:41:39 *** Fuco has quit IRC 23:12:53 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:17:44 *** Lejving has joined #openttd 23:22:42 *** Lejving__ has quit IRC 23:27:24 *** Lejving_ has joined #openttd 23:28:27 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 23:28:48 *** APTX has joined #openttd 23:33:17 *** Lejving has quit IRC 23:34:46 *** Lejving has joined #openttd 23:40:17 *** Lejving_ has quit IRC 23:46:34 *** Lejving_ has joined #openttd 23:53:22 *** Lejving has quit IRC