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Log for #openttd on 10th July 2018:
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06:33:17  <andythenorth> o/
06:34:27  <peter1138> o7
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06:39:39  <andythenorth> <o
06:40:16  <SpComb> TrueBrain: drone.io?
06:40:52  <SpComb> in terms of "CI on top of Docker"
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07:16:47  <TrueBrain> SpComb: 20 dollar per user per month .. sounds a bit much :D
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07:34:34  <SpComb> TrueBrain: it's open-source...
07:37:28  <TrueBrain> SpComb: well, for shit and giggles go to https://drone.io :)
07:37:34  <TrueBrain> they did their best to not tell you :)
07:37:35  <SpComb> their website is pretty sales-oriented, but their docs are clear enough
07:38:19  <TrueBrain> and the chances you click docks after visiting their website are slim :D
07:38:21  <SpComb> yeah, the FAQ for the cloud options has it hidden at the end
07:38:32  <TrueBrain> either way, the CI part is not my worry .. the CD is what I am having issues with :(
07:40:28  <SpComb> CD to where?
07:40:35  <SpComb> openttd releases to the mirrors?
07:40:45  <TrueBrain> releases, website, bots, everything
07:41:06  <TrueBrain> but mainly, currently, I want the github-bot to autodeploy
07:41:22  <TrueBrain> which is near identical to a website
07:41:43  <TrueBrain> what I want is pretty simple: when you hit merge, it should autodeploy to staging. It should give me a button: deploy to production
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07:51:30  <dihedral> hey ho
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07:58:03  <peter1138> TrueBrain, yeah, that's all I saw when I was looking at drone a while ago.
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08:55:47  <planetmaker> moin moin
08:56:00  <andythenorth> lo planetmaker
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11:33:39  <peter1138> "iirc block signals and presignals refresh more often (because they're less computationally expensive) and are therefore more efficient in a network with lots of closely packed trains"
11:33:50  <peter1138> Where do people get this from?
11:35:19  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: path signals have a delay when a reservation fails, before trying to reserve again
11:35:40  <Eddi|zuHause> so a train might wait a few ticks longer at a red signal
11:37:01  <Eddi|zuHause> depending on what "closely packed" means, this may also require slightly higher distance between trains
11:37:16  <Eddi|zuHause> in order to not be stopped by a red signal
11:37:40  <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm sure this effect is way lower than the weird curve stretching effect
11:38:50  <peter1138> 15 or 41 ticks by default, minimum 2.
11:41:31  <Eddi|zuHause> we should implement braking distance, and slowing down if trains are too close together. just to annoy these "tight packing" play styles :p
11:41:53  <peter1138> :)
11:44:07  <Eddi|zuHause> and, of course, not make it optional. because more settings are evil :p
11:44:30  <peter1138> But guys! You're playing the game wrong!
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13:51:42  <FLHerne> I'm certain I've seen, in particularly laggy games, path signals failing to clear at all the first time
13:51:55  <FLHerne> So trains get stopped even when there's no conflicting reservation
13:52:28  <FLHerne> (and then the signal clears a few ticks later)
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13:53:59  <peter1138> Trains get stopped when they can't reverse a path. The signal state is irrelevant.
13:55:46  <peter1138> Which leads to the kinda annoying every signal is red "issue"
13:57:56  <FLHerne> I'm still sure I've seen that :P
13:58:50  <FLHerne> Is there any limit on the number of pathfinder checks/reservations per tick? Wouldn't really make sense
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14:00:51  <andythenorth> so...sulphur mine?
14:05:10  <andythenorth> so IRL there are a bunch of cargos that only move by pipeline
14:05:19  <andythenorth> but they're needed for 64 cargo FIRS
14:05:29  <andythenorth> like methane, naptha etc
14:05:38  <andythenorth> so eh, what should I do? :P
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14:07:46  <nielsm> (they have powerlines don't they? pipes are almost the same)
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14:10:10  <andythenorth> ok, "move FIRS to simutrans" can be option 1 of 4
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17:11:17  <Wolf01> o/
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17:27:52  <andythenorth> o/
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17:36:44  <TrueBrain> welcome back andythenorth :)
17:36:52  <TrueBrain> ugh, this CD stuff is killing me ... it is diffuclt!
17:37:18  <TrueBrain> difficullltttttt is even difficult
17:39:05  <andythenorth> tres difficile
17:41:04  <Eddi|zuHause> daffy duck?
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18:09:16  <asanpi> hello, can someone share with me latest version openttd with include copy&paste patch? because i can't include patch myself :(
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18:10:34  <TrueBrain> not completely sure anyone in this channel can help you with that (I hope someone can; but not sure). Did you ask on the forum thread for one? That mostly results in the quickest result
18:13:47  <asanpi> yes, i read topic about copy&paste, but it is only patch, and i don't know how to include it
18:14:28  <TrueBrain> I understand; and I think the best way for you to get a binary, is to ask in that topic for one. Include the OS you are looking for etc :)
18:14:55  <TrueBrain> (basically, ask the above question in the topic :D)
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