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Log for #openttd on 30th July 2018:
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06:40:53  <andythenorth> o/
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10:39:21  <planetmaker> \o
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12:43:56  <V453000> yo
12:44:22  <andythenorth> yo V453000
12:47:10  <V453000> how doing?
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12:50:57  <andythenorth> meh
12:51:04  <andythenorth> basically
12:52:58  <V453000> firs megarekt?
12:56:08  <andythenorth> mega
12:56:14  <andythenorth> waiting for 16 in / 16 out to be done
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13:04:43  <SpComb> 16 different types of engineering supplies?
13:05:05  <peter1138> Gears.
13:05:15  <SpComb> copper coils
13:14:21  <andythenorth> yeti
13:14:27  <andythenorth> what is plural of yeti?
13:14:38  <V453000> yetis I guess
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13:29:29  <Alberth> o/
13:37:29  <planetmaker> \o
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14:52:45  <nielsm> solved! https://0x0.st/sWm1.png
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14:58:18  <andythenorth> nielsm: \o/ :)
15:00:04  <andythenorth> I guess nml needs patched next :)
15:00:06  <nielsm> frosch123: I think I'll make a separate PR for extended house cargo acceptance, without the callback support
15:01:41  <nielsm> andythenorth: I think my own test grf has already exercised the "basic" new properties, so it's all the callbacks that are interesting to test :D
15:02:14  <andythenorth> yeah
15:02:23  <andythenorth> frosch123 how 'done' is nml -> github? o_O
15:06:08  <frosch123> there were no complains about the author mapping
15:06:20  <frosch123> so i guess the repo is fine, i need to look into issues
15:08:37  <andythenorth> I wondered if there are so few I could manually migrate them
15:08:45  <andythenorth> but I think not :P
15:09:17  <andythenorth> I looked for some that could easily be closed
15:09:19  <andythenorth> not many
15:09:22  <andythenorth> although....
15:09:32  <andythenorth> quite a lot are 'this is the roadmap' and just aren't that useful
15:10:02  <frosch123> if it works once it can be used for any devzone project
15:10:23  <andythenorth> yes
15:10:33  <andythenorth> I hadn't thought of that :P
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15:25:03  <nielsm> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6872   house extended accepts :P
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15:45:45  <nielsm> okay let's try this! https://0x0.st/sWmy.txt
15:47:50  <andythenorth> :)
15:50:26  <frosch123> https://github.com/frosch123/nml/issues/2
15:51:09  <frosch123> i think i need truebrain to whipser me the dorpsgek access token
15:51:58  <nielsm> rebase completed with just two conflicts to resolve!
15:53:36  <Kippers> Oh hey o/
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15:56:45  <andythenorth> :D
16:00:01  <frosch123> https://github.com/frosch123/nml/issues/4 <- added the redmine issue number to the title
16:00:32  <andythenorth> that will cause confusion at some point :D
16:00:39  <andythenorth> due to global vs local numberspace
16:01:34  <frosch123> it makes searching for old issues easier
16:01:42  <andythenorth> yes
16:01:44  <frosch123> should i add a "RM" or something?
16:01:52  <andythenorth> maybe :)
16:01:58  <andythenorth> coop
16:02:00  <andythenorth> devzone
16:02:01  <andythenorth> dunno
16:03:11  <frosch123> i wonder whether planetmaker gets mails, when i link those issues to him
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16:26:21  <FLHerne> Is there any documentation for the 'default' nml properties, i.e. the behaviour when no value is specified?
16:26:32  <FLHerne> (I can't find it)
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16:27:29  <FLHerne> If NML just doesn't create action<n>s then it depends on OTTD behaviour, but I can't find that either
16:31:06  <nielsm> most things are based on "copy existing item and change properties"
16:31:13  <nielsm> so the defaults for everything is littered all over
16:31:24  <FLHerne> Default intro date seems to be '0', which surprised me a bit
16:31:49  <FLHerne> (I assumed it would be 1920 or something similarly weird)
16:32:00  <frosch123> vehicles have no defaults, you need to set all properties
16:32:02  <FLHerne> Blegh
16:32:29  <FLHerne> frosch123: That's clearly not true
16:32:39  <FLHerne>  /* cargo_age_period is left at default */
16:32:56  <FLHerne> (unless the official demo files are completely wrong)
16:33:20  <frosch123> it's didactically true
16:33:22  <FLHerne> Oh, that one actually has a default listed on the list'o'props
16:34:17  <FLHerne> "Coefficient of the relative air drag, in arbitrary units. The default value is approximately (8 / max_speed), with max_speed in km/h, clamped to the range 0.004 .. 0.75."
16:34:32  <FLHerne> Now /that's/ the sort of arbitrarily absurd default I was expecting
16:35:27  <nielsm> I wonder why it's the burning towers and not the tanks on the oil refinery that accept oil...
16:36:02  <FLHerne> frosch123: Sadly, it's not useful for what I want to do with it
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16:37:08  <FLHerne> If someone starts editing a property that wasn't previously set, the initial value should obviously correspond to the behaviour with no value specified
16:37:17  <DanMacK> Hey all ltns
16:38:25  <FLHerne> So apparently I need to go and read the source to figure out what those actually are...
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16:40:20  <nielsm> frosch123: worth a try taking +R off the channel again?
16:40:30  <frosch123> @mode -R
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16:41:27  <DanMacK> Bot issues?
16:42:46  <FLHerne> DanMacK: The freenode-mod-spam ones seem to be spreading
16:42:59  <DanMacK> Ahhhh
16:44:47  <nielsm> frosch123: the old industry tile accepts callbacks, should they add or replace tile acceptance? what if the "accepts everything industry itself accepts" flag is set?
16:46:27  <nielsm> I think "replace", including also effectively disabling the out the "accepts all"
16:46:36  <nielsm> disabling the "accepts all" flag
16:47:04  <frosch123> i wouldn't bother with them
16:47:32  <frosch123> they can only address the first 32 items in the cargo translation table, so what does it matter
16:47:51  <nielsm> good point :D
16:50:19  <Alberth> FLHerne: just invent your own default settings
16:50:42  <FLHerne> Alberth: I should probably do that for now
16:51:09  * FLHerne has a tendency towards depth-first problem-solving... https://xkcd.com/761/
16:52:02  <nielsm> like the reset.css files that set every single property on every single tag
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17:01:47  <Alberth> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :)
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17:44:52  <Wolf01> o/
17:45:42  <Wolf01> Did something nice happen this weekend?
17:46:18  <Wolf01> an[tab][tab][tab]... where is the cat?
17:46:48  <frosch123> you need to wait for dm to leave, before cat can return
17:47:07  <Wolf01> Ahaha
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18:02:43  <Wolf01> Ok, now the cat should come in minutes
18:05:23  <Kippers> How do I make the git commit checker check my pull request once more?
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18:06:05  <nielsm> Kippers: the ruble one?
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18:06:56  <nielsm> the issue now (which I forgot before) is that every commit indivudually must follow the style requirements, even if the style issues are fixed by a later commit
18:07:24  <nielsm> so you have to squash your commits together and force-push the branch to overwrite the original commit
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18:24:51  <Wolf01> andythenorth
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18:25:01  <andythenorth> hi Wolf01
18:25:09  <andythenorth> ever broken the end off a big LA?
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18:25:51  <Wolf01> I tried to purchase the cardboard box only, but the seller didn't want to sell it without the Bugatti inside :D
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18:27:51  <andythenorth> :P
18:27:52  <andythenorth> oof
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18:33:06  <LordAro> amazing.
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18:34:15  <Alberth> it's not the first time :p
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18:35:51  <Kippers> nielsm Ok, so I have to do some git magic?
18:36:35  <Kippers> Gee, I sure don't hope future generations look to my repos as a shining example of how to do git
18:37:15  <andythenorth> oof
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19:08:03  <andythenorth> LordAro:
19:08:05  <andythenorth> oops
19:08:08  <andythenorth> keyboard fail
19:09:13  <LordAro> andythenorth:
19:10:30  <Wolf01> 
19:11:37  <Kippers> Huh, I actually made git do what I wanted it to
19:11:38  <Kippers> That's a first
19:14:49  <murr4y> git, not unlike a computer, does exactly what you tell it to do, regardless of what you want
19:22:59  <Kippers> It truly is both a blessing and a curse
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20:02:39  <andythenorth> just 81 more trains to draw for Horse
20:02:45  <andythenorth> and the ones I've forgotten to add
20:03:46  <Eddi|zuHause> as long as the overall trend is negative...
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20:04:50  <andythenorth> so far
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21:29:14  <tigerman> hi I am new to this
21:32:57  <tigerman> how do you get cars and plaines an
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21:37:41  <Eddi|zuHause> yes.
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21:48:17  <frosch123> the bots woke up again :)
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21:49:16  <LordAro> oh dear
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22:38:26  <Supercheese> not this again...
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22:46:38  <debdog> prolly some discord (or such) guys trying to drive people away from IRC
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23:08:03  <memoryno-> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
23:08:07  <memoryno-> I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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23:09:57  <ST2> well, maybe +R is needed again :(
23:10:19  <Kippers> Most definitely is
23:11:21  <ST2> is peter1138 or LordAro or anyone with rights for it ^^
23:12:20  <LordAro> not i
23:12:43  <ST2> oh, sorry the ping then :)
23:14:49  <ST2> I'm glad our servers use a small network that not attractive to spammers :D
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23:27:22  <glx> done
23:28:08  <ST2> thx glx :)
23:28:44  <ST2> it's a pain that unregistered nicks can't join, but all for the greater goo :)
23:28:55  <ST2> good*

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