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00:12:03 *** Samu has quit IRC 01:05:32 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest763 01:05:32 *** [1]sim-al2 has joined #openttd 01:05:33 *** [1]sim-al2 is now known as sim-al2 01:08:59 *** dvim has quit IRC 01:11:02 *** Guest763 has quit IRC 01:27:47 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 01:46:31 *** dvim has joined #openttd 02:50:30 *** glx has quit IRC 03:29:14 *** dvim has quit IRC 03:42:47 *** cHawk has quit IRC 03:53:27 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 04:06:09 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 04:54:58 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 04:59:40 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 05:12:05 *** Mutron9050 has joined #openttd 05:12:12 <Mutron9050> What is this 05:12:17 <Mutron9050> Hi 05:12:25 *** Mutron9050 has quit IRC 05:29:42 *** Wacko1976_ has joined #openttd 05:33:39 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 05:58:42 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 06:22:16 <LordAro> 20s 06:22:19 <LordAro> nice 06:23:39 *** glavinics has joined #openttd 06:45:25 *** WWacko1976-work has joined #openttd 06:52:03 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth opened issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxait 07:06:46 <LordAro> ideally this would go in a bananas repo... but that doesn't exist yet 07:23:54 *** Wacko1976_ has quit IRC 08:04:06 <peter1138> hi 08:10:35 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 08:15:49 *** matt21347 has joined #openttd 08:41:26 <Arveen> good morning d00ds 09:08:28 *** glavinics has quit IRC 09:24:04 *** glavinics has joined #openttd 11:23:07 *** Pikka has joined #openttd 12:30:49 *** glavinics has quit IRC 12:50:01 *** Pikka has quit IRC 13:00:33 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 13:02:49 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 13:07:42 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 13:10:27 <planetmaker> moin 13:12:12 *** Samu has joined #openttd 13:16:27 <Xaroth> sup planetmaker 13:28:35 *** Flygon has quit IRC 13:32:08 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 13:41:54 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:56:29 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 14:08:23 *** GroovyNoodle has joined #openttd 14:42:10 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 14:59:52 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:15:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:19:49 *** WWacko1976-work has quit IRC 15:45:45 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 15:46:50 <planetmaker> quak :) 15:46:56 <frosch123> moo 15:59:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:00:00 <andythenorth> such Truebrain? o_O 16:00:44 <frosch123> did you try musa? 16:01:11 <andythenorth> no I did not, but that is a good call 16:01:40 <andythenorth> something like this happened once before 16:01:48 <andythenorth> I had to use musa for uploads for a short period 16:04:24 <LordAro> frosch123: you should have access to the server with the logs on it, right? we could try to diagnose the issue... 16:04:36 <frosch123> nope 16:04:49 <frosch123> i am only devzone admin 16:05:17 <andythenorth> afaik it's rubidium and TB 16:05:20 <andythenorth> I don't know about others 16:12:19 *** acklen has quit IRC 16:12:24 *** acklen has joined #openttd 16:13:48 <frosch123> i can tell that the disk is not full 16:13:58 <frosch123> but the log files are from another group 16:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> whenever anyone says "musa" i must think of that running gag from bad boys (2?) with rubbing your ears and say "wusa" to calm down 16:18:59 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:19:33 * debdog thinks of Wurstsalat 16:19:54 <frosch123> ETA for "disk full" is 50 years. V has disappointed :) 16:22:27 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:42:38 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 17:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> clearly, any value >6 months means you wasted ressources prematurely :p 17:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you must use cloud/blockchain/agile/AI/cyber... 17:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure i missed a lot of misplaced buzzwords 17:14:43 <andythenorth> you did ok 17:14:52 <andythenorth> we don't just talk about blockchain though 17:15:04 <andythenorth> we also talk about distributed ledgers 17:15:05 <andythenorth> and coins 17:15:14 <andythenorth> big data 17:15:15 <andythenorth> ML 17:15:32 <andythenorth> containerised 17:15:34 <andythenorth> containerless 17:25:58 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 17:31:02 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:00:10 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 18:00:50 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 18:00:55 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 18:01:09 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:01:12 <Wolf01> o/ 18:04:30 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:04:40 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxait 18:04:41 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxV7l 18:12:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:13:00 <Wolf01> Meow 18:13:20 <andythenorth> funny noise for a wolf 18:14:00 <Wolf01> I have a new cat 18:14:18 <Wolf01> I can blame it 18:19:05 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest817 18:19:07 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:20:42 <andythenorth> so what I wondered 18:20:49 <andythenorth> actual dev is in pretty good shape 18:20:55 <andythenorth> 127 merged PRs since April 18:21:03 <andythenorth> but the infra seems to have huge bus factor 18:21:18 <andythenorth> so I wanted to write a forum post / openttd front page post 18:21:30 <andythenorth> to see if we could recruit people to work on infra 18:21:53 <andythenorth> I think it's quite a good pitch for people at student age 18:21:54 <frosch123> last time that gave zero replies 18:22:17 <andythenorth> well it might be like the devops engineer hires everyone is trying to do 18:22:19 <andythenorth> no replies 18:22:27 <andythenorth> but actually what TB is working on is pretty attractive 18:22:43 <andythenorth> docker, kubernetes, github, CI, jenkins etc 18:22:48 <andythenorth> are all the good buzzwords 18:23:09 *** Guest817 has quit IRC 18:23:20 <andythenorth> but I don't know if TB is actually prepared to fgive give anyone keys to kingdom 18:24:02 <frosch123> random people will definitely not get to current stuff :) 18:24:18 <frosch123> but everyone can fork the compile farm on gh and complete it 18:24:25 <andythenorth> you know I might still have devzone SSH? :P 18:24:29 <andythenorth> I hope not but eh 18:25:29 <frosch123> well, if you can find people to add github authentication to eints :) 18:25:48 <frosch123> ideally in a way so that i can reuse it for bananas 18:26:02 <andythenorth> :) 18:27:02 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6940#event-1912959799 18:28:18 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fxVFv 18:29:23 <TrueBrain> I take your fanks and raise you a tail 18:29:28 * andythenorth wonders if we have more infra plan than in the trello 18:29:42 <andythenorth> let's see 18:30:26 <andythenorth> so this is like a totally vanilla thing that people do? https://trello.com/c/b48ER0VU/25-migrate-to-letsencrypt 18:30:41 * andythenorth trying to see if there are any equivalents to 'good first issue' for infra 18:31:13 <TrueBrain> good first issues: make a (new?) website which works from a docker :P 18:31:34 <andythenorth> the bananas is all here? https://github.com/frosch123/bananas2/blob/master/docs/overview.md 18:31:52 <andythenorth> didn't we argue out what the website should be like twice before? 18:32:19 <andythenorth> ha ha TB trolled himself https://trello.com/c/iizhksNO/30-make-openttd-mmo-capable 18:32:29 <TrueBrain> what also works: a docker which runs the MSU and has a nice website to show the current state of servers 18:32:37 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: troll? You know me so little :( 18:33:05 <andythenorth> I ma really hazy on the infra and how it connects 18:34:09 <andythenorth> maybe I should try and draw it then you can laugh at my drawing 18:34:33 <TrueBrain> why? just pick any item, make a container around it, and show it :P 18:34:44 <frosch123> andythenorth: i am currently not asking for contributors to bananas. i have way too many projects (at work), where i need to tutor people. i need something to mess with on my own for once 18:35:18 <andythenorth> that's exactly how I feel about newgrf 18:35:25 <frosch123> but eints, nml-compile farm, ... all free to take 18:35:27 <andythenorth> it's my mess, I don't have to collaborate 18:35:35 <TrueBrain> openttd-compile farm! 18:35:55 <andythenorth> come on then TrueBrain, how do we make it fun 18:36:06 <andythenorth> the current trello just looks exactly like my day job too 18:36:13 <andythenorth> except I at least have paid employees there 18:36:22 <andythenorth> 50% fewer than are needed 18:36:25 <andythenorth> but eh 18:36:31 <TrueBrain> infra is like a real day job, sadly :P 18:36:39 <andythenorth> hey we could ISO 27001 OpenTTD? 18:36:41 <andythenorth> o_O 18:36:44 <andythenorth> that I could do for fun 18:36:48 <andythenorth> shall I pay for it? 18:36:58 <TrueBrain> you can do the open-source-bus-factor thing if you like 18:37:09 <andythenorth> most things are bus factor 1 18:37:14 <andythenorth> in my experience 18:37:24 <TrueBrain> not many stuff is, honestly 18:37:37 <TrueBrain> everything I know of is at least 2+ 18:37:40 <TrueBrain> still not great 18:37:42 <TrueBrain> but meh 18:38:25 <andythenorth> I think I have a joke about if the bus hits one, the other then has to do all the paperwork 18:38:30 <andythenorth> but it doesn't quite flow 18:38:45 * andythenorth has ISO audit soon, it's a paperwork world 18:38:49 <TrueBrain> just hope nobody bombs the Netherlands :P 18:38:58 <andythenorth> I often hope that 18:39:05 <andythenorth> in my prayers every day 18:39:10 <frosch123> invest into dikes 18:39:21 <andythenorth> that's what started capitalism apparently 18:39:22 <andythenorth> dikes 18:39:26 <andythenorth> community shares in them 18:39:36 <andythenorth> open dike tycoon 18:39:44 <andythenorth> dike railtype grf 18:39:53 <frosch123> money unit should be tulips then 18:39:56 <andythenorth> bulbs 18:40:02 <andythenorth> bulb futures 18:40:38 <frosch123> oh, TB means tulib bulbs? 18:41:10 <andythenorth> maybe 18:41:18 *** andythenorth is now known as TrueBulb 18:42:25 <TrueBulb> ok enough dicking around 18:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> really should be FalseBulb? 18:42:43 <TrueBrain> @kick TrueBulb stop dicking around 18:42:43 *** TrueBulb was kicked by DorpsGek (stop dicking around) 18:42:54 *** TrueBulb has joined #openttd 18:42:59 *** TrueBulb is now known as andythesouth 18:43:02 <TrueBrain> *giggles like a child* 18:43:07 <andythesouth> always funny 18:43:17 <TrueBrain> I agree 18:43:23 <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth so does he 18:43:23 *** Xaroth was kicked by DorpsGek (so does he) 18:43:25 <andythesouth> TrueBrain: so I might write in forums in the 'we moved to github' post 18:43:33 <andythesouth> TL;DR 127 PRs merged, all is awesome 18:43:37 <andythesouth> please send infra codez 18:43:41 <andythesouth> etc 18:43:55 <andythesouth> like, that trello, is overwhelming amount of things 18:43:56 <TrueBrain> that, or get me some time off :P 18:44:03 <andythesouth> I offered you employment 18:44:06 <andythesouth> 4 days / week 18:44:08 <andythesouth> Fridays off 18:44:23 <TrueBrain> 10k a month? :P 18:44:32 <andythesouth> 10k Tulip Bulbs yes 18:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> are all the good buzzwords <-- the issue is generally not the buzzwords, but to use the right ones at the right task 18:45:01 <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: I think that's agile information delivery 18:45:08 * LordAro waves 18:45:11 <andythesouth> in a context appropriate methodology 18:45:19 <frosch123> @calc 10*12.50/50 18:45:19 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 2.5 18:45:19 <andythesouth> with temporal awareness 18:45:28 * TrueBrain gets his axe, cuts off LordAro's arms .. NOW TRY WAVING AGAIN 18:45:48 * LordAro stubs 18:45:57 <TrueBrain> I can still kill you, COME BACK HERE 18:46:00 <TrueBrain> such a fun movie :) 18:46:27 <andythesouth> did planetmaker find us a macOS maintainer? 18:46:36 <TrueBrain> I read Bjarni was coming back 18:46:41 <frosch123> it's required to understand python's gh bots 18:46:47 <LordAro> @seen bjarni 18:46:47 <DorpsGek> LordAro: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 7 years, 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh 18:47:44 <frosch123> @seen petert 18:47:45 <DorpsGek> frosch123: petert was last seen in #openttd 3 years, 30 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <PeterT> See you in 5 years! I'll be done with the my Dental school by then 18:48:02 <andythesouth> 2 years to go 18:48:03 <frosch123> oh, 1.5 years left 18:48:07 <andythesouth> I don't get all this 18:48:11 <andythesouth> when I went to university 18:48:21 <andythesouth> I didn't work much on my degree work 18:48:53 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 18:49:19 <andythesouth> I learnt photoshop, dreamweaver, director, bryce 3D, after effects and video editing 18:49:28 <andythesouth> also photography 18:49:31 <andythesouth> and I read a lot of books 18:49:45 <andythesouth> also Unreal Tournament 18:55:29 *** wodencafe has quit IRC 19:07:23 *** Xaroth has joined #openttd 19:07:31 * Xaroth throws a Fedo at TrueBrain 19:07:39 * TrueBrain throws a sudo back 19:08:12 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: where is the ardite chicken? 19:08:18 <andythesouth> hm 19:08:28 <andythesouth> so 127 PRs merged since April 19:08:37 <andythesouth> wonder what happened for previous 2 years 19:08:43 <andythesouth> frosch123 kept the lights on 19:08:54 <andythesouth> peter1138 went on one or two patch sprees 19:08:59 <andythesouth> and the rest was translation commits 19:09:00 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: didn't you eat those? 19:09:08 * andythesouth wonders if there's a number to compare 19:09:36 <andythesouth> probably if I could filter git log :P 19:09:37 <TrueBrain> commits? 19:09:39 <andythesouth> yes 19:09:45 <frosch123> we can have a second 25k party at some point 19:09:52 <andythesouth> I can probably just paste git log into excel and count with my fingers 19:10:09 <TrueBrain> ..... whhhyyy ..... omggggg 19:10:17 <TrueBrain> ITS RIGHT THERE THEN! Omg 19:10:19 <andythesouth> like, even without CF, moving to git = massive success 19:10:38 <andythesouth> github * 19:10:38 <TrueBrain> now people just need to keep up with the reviews :P 19:10:42 <TrueBrain> 20+ open PRs .. :D 19:10:45 <andythesouth> ah 19:10:47 <TrueBrain> we need a better workflow :P 19:10:50 <andythesouth> but filter by 'awaiting author' :) 19:10:53 <andythesouth> it looks better 19:10:54 <TrueBrain> I wonder what GitHub Actions are going to be :) 19:11:08 <andythesouth> oh https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+-label%3A%22waiting-on-author%22+ 19:11:16 <andythesouth> oh yes samu added a shitload of PRs 19:11:18 <andythesouth> I remember 19:11:36 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i saw that, looks quite interesting 19:11:37 <andythesouth> it was about 6 that weren't blocked on author 19:11:44 <andythesouth> then there was a flood 19:11:45 <LordAro> possibly a gitlab-ci competitor 19:12:04 <TrueBrain> yeah ... I tried to implement our own, but it is not easy 19:12:06 <TrueBrain> many variables 19:12:14 <TrueBrain> so if they supply it .... that would highly improve efficiency 19:12:14 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 19:13:55 <andythesouth> oof now I am actually trying to count git commits 19:14:16 <andythesouth> let's google 19:14:26 <TrueBrain> git log | wc -l 19:14:34 <TrueBrain> git log -1 | wc -l 19:14:40 <andythesouth> SO says git rev-list HEAD --count 19:14:49 <andythesouth> but ok 19:14:56 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:14:58 <TrueBrain> why is your Security Officer telling you things? 19:15:16 <TrueBrain> why is your Significant Other telling you things? 19:15:33 <andythesouth> I always paste whatever my Security Officer tells me 19:15:35 <andythesouth> into my shell 19:15:37 <andythesouth> with sudo 19:15:48 <TrueBrain> curl ... | sudo bash - 19:15:55 <Wolf01> Lol 19:17:48 <andythesouth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/potfqlpua/41fio8/raw 19:30:15 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:37:18 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest827 19:37:20 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 19:40:45 *** gelignite has quit IRC 19:42:07 *** Guest827 has quit IRC 19:45:42 <andythesouth> 244 since April 2018, 135 in the year before that 19:47:19 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 19:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> so we prolonged "openttd is dying" for a while? 19:49:53 <TrueBrain> how do you like your glass half empty? 19:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> now if only we had nightly builds, so people could actually test stuff :p 19:50:28 <TrueBrain> now if only we had active users, not the judging doing nothing ones :P 19:50:58 <andythesouth> we do 19:51:02 <andythesouth> just only a few 19:51:12 <andythesouth> TrueBrain: you might have missed it, but Eddi|zuHause actually made a commit 19:51:17 <TrueBrain> I saw 19:51:21 <TrueBrain> I had to double check 19:51:24 * Xaroth gasps 19:51:25 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause with a GitHub account 19:51:27 <Xaroth> A whole commit? 19:51:34 <TrueBrain> the world stopped spinning for a moment :) 19:51:36 <TrueBrain> <3 Eddi|zuHause :) 19:51:37 <andythesouth> while I do genuinely appreciate eddi's armchair advice 19:51:43 <andythesouth> I like the commit more 19:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause> you act like i changed more than 5LOC 19:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i changed like 10, and then changed 5 back because i was trying to do too many things at once 19:57:00 <andythesouth> TrueBrain: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=83056&p=1213870#p1213870 19:57:03 <andythesouth> lacks gifs 19:57:28 <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: it was a clean fix to an actually annoying bug :P 19:57:30 <andythesouth> what more could we want? 19:58:00 <andythesouth> I bold some stuff in that post, for effect 19:59:06 *** matt21347 has quit IRC 19:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> use "[list]" and "[list=1]" bbtags? 20:00:51 <TrueBrain> andythesouth: realise your "bananas" issue could be very local 20:00:55 <andythesouth> there I went font crazy 20:01:05 <TrueBrain> over the years, we more often had one or two person where it didnt work, while for others it did just fine 20:01:18 <andythesouth> it was reproed by neko in forums 20:01:36 <andythesouth> obvs that doesn't mean broken for all 20:01:40 <TrueBrain> ;) 20:01:44 <TrueBrain> but as long as musa works 20:01:46 <TrueBrain> I am not fuzzed 20:01:52 <TrueBrain> and you forgot to use the buzzwords! 20:01:55 <andythesouth> I haven't tried musa yet, too busy doing words type things 20:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> andythesouth: honestly? the other post was easier readable... 20:01:57 <TrueBrain> kubenertes, cloud, .... ;) 20:02:02 <andythesouth> Eddi|zuHause: too much fonts>? 20:02:11 <andythesouth> I think too much 20:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause> like these youtube videos that spell out the words they talk, but each word is in a different size and direction 20:02:29 <TrueBrain> nothing alcohol cant fix 20:02:53 <andythesouth> my inner font nerd is crying 20:03:10 <Xaroth> Look, I contributed 20:03:14 <Xaroth> now TrueBrain will be really afraid. 20:03:16 <andythesouth> why do I hate bbtag format so much? :P 20:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> because you are too biased towards md? 20:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i think worse than the fonts is the empty lines 20:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> like those news sites that start a new paragraph every 2 sentences 20:04:25 <andythesouth> you will make me put in the bbtags :( 20:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't read those... 20:06:19 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest830 20:06:21 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 20:07:01 <andythesouth> ok I did reformat it 20:07:19 *** Guest830 has quit IRC 20:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> https://naoris.com/ my buzzword meter just exploded... 20:10:32 <andythesouth> sounds like an awesome malware solution 20:10:40 <andythesouth> "The need for any kind of trust in centralized tools and decision makers disappears, relying instead on a decentralized consensus mechanism which registers and acts on information in real time reacting to threats and unexpected changes to secure states." 20:10:52 <andythesouth> so if I can afford 51% of computing power 20:10:55 <andythesouth> I win your devices 20:11:06 <andythesouth> then I use those to win more devices 20:11:09 <andythesouth> then I win world 20:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that what happened to bitcoin? 20:14:51 <andythesouth> oof now what? 20:14:55 <andythesouth> time to put recycling out? 20:18:24 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 20:18:25 <peter1138> sup 20:18:30 <peter1138> Are we dead? 20:18:43 <andythesouth> only nearly 20:21:03 <peter1138> Ok 20:21:18 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 20:23:45 * peter1138 ponders updating GPU drivers. 20:23:57 <LordAro> an peter1138 20:24:41 <andythesouth> at least it's only one 20:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i fried hacked peter earlier today 20:28:13 <peter1138> Pardon? 20:35:42 *** GroovyNoodle has quit IRC 21:12:23 *** andythesouth has left #openttd 21:15:44 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:31:48 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:32:34 *** Guest833 has joined #openttd 21:52:04 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 22:05:38 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 22:32:33 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 22:48:09 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 22:53:51 *** NekoMaster has joined #openttd 22:59:19 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 23:23:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:59:41 *** Samu has quit IRC