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o_O 07:45:33 <nielsm> maybe? 07:46:14 <nielsm> which is more sensible to work with as a newgrf author? 07:48:49 * andythenorth rubbing head 07:49:25 <andythenorth> http://wiki.c2.com/?WouldntStartFromHere 07:50:42 <andythenorth> nielsm: (I haven't had breakfast yet) we're talking about the replacements for industry props 12 and 13, right? 07:50:43 <andythenorth> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Industries#Production_multipliers_.2812.2C_13.29 07:51:03 <nielsm> no the production callback 07:51:44 <andythenorth> ah I might need to reset my context :) 07:51:50 <andythenorth> the PR is long now :) 07:52:48 <andythenorth> so this is about prod cb format, version 2? 07:57:18 <nielsm> yes, I think you mentioned that the indirection of cargo types in production cb version 1 was useless complication over version 0 07:57:56 <nielsm> so I was wondering if it would make sense to add two new versions, both with "unlimited" cargo type lists, but one with and one without indirection 07:58:00 <andythenorth> I need to think about it a bit more 07:58:19 <andythenorth> there is an interesting case where the number of cargos is unknown in FIRS 07:58:27 <andythenorth> currently the prod cb is fine with that 08:08:13 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #6867: 16 cargo types in and out for industries https://git.io/fN03K 08:12:07 <andythenorth> nielsm: I need to re-educate myself on prod cb and the options in the PR 08:12:16 <nielsm> heh 08:12:23 <andythenorth> conventionally, prod cb is used with version 1, amounts in registers 08:12:33 <andythenorth> version 0 is ~useless 08:12:38 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #6867: 16 cargo types in and out for industries https://git.io/fx9FX 08:18:04 <nielsm> okay if version 0 is effectively useless then I'm not going to make a non-indirect version with unlimited cargo lists 08:23:02 <andythenorth> anyone sensible is going to stuff the values in registers 08:23:15 <andythenorth> not switch a million branches to different fixed results :) 08:23:31 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #6945: Fix e00908f: Visual C++ 2015 compile error https://git.io/fx9FA 08:26:22 *** blathijs has quit IRC 08:30:26 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #6945: Fix e00908f: Visual C++ 2015 compile error https://git.io/fx97B 08:33:05 <andythenorth> nielsm: so does the direction / indirection question even hold for prod cb? 08:33:10 <andythenorth> it's just a list of up to 16 registers? 08:33:57 <andythenorth> hmm, no it has to be 2 lists of exactly 16 registers, to be precise 08:35:29 <nielsm> it's two lists of fixed-but-specified length 08:36:00 <nielsm> Version 02 format: <Sprite-number> * <Length> 02 0A <set-id> <version> <num-inputs> [<input-cargo-1> <subtract-in-1> ...] <num-outputs> [<output-cargo-1> <add-out-1> ...] <again> 08:36:05 <andythenorth> ok 08:36:07 <andythenorth> that works fine 08:36:14 <nielsm> the num-inputs and num-outputs are direct values, not register numbers 08:36:20 <andythenorth> yes 08:36:26 <andythenorth> just do that :) 08:36:28 <andythenorth> simples 08:38:13 <nielsm> and the input-cargo-n and output-cargo-n parameters are cargo ids, also not dynamic 09:00:09 <andythenorth> ah ok 09:00:30 <andythenorth> so if I've understood correctly, they should be register numbers 09:04:10 <andythenorth> I might have misunderstood this when we talked a few months ago 09:04:23 <andythenorth> I recall talking about the format for the static action 0 multiplier prop 09:04:29 <andythenorth> which nobody should ever sensibly use anyway :P 09:04:57 <andythenorth> there was a lot of talk around the format for those props, and how to encode them in nml 09:06:41 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 09:06:52 <Wolf01> o/ 09:15:49 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 09:19:46 *** Progman has joined #openttd 09:26:23 *** worrelsik has joined #openttd 09:26:46 *** worrelsik has quit IRC 09:42:19 *** matt21347 has joined #openttd 10:00:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 10:01:45 <nielsm> hmm, andythenorth the FIRS v4 build I have makes a loading error when I try it 10:02:15 <andythenorth> what's the error? o_O 10:04:49 <nielsm> https://0x0.st/s6yu.png 10:05:00 <nielsm> Unknown Action 0 property 0x0 (sprite 3499) 10:05:07 <nielsm> that's with Extreme mode 10:05:27 <nielsm> it builds a lot of Port industries that produce acid, and nothing else 10:06:46 <nielsm> firs.grf size 464314 bytes, dated 2018-08-13 20:32 10:07:29 <andythenorth> yeah the test was a single industry 10:07:36 <nielsm> ah 10:07:37 <andythenorth> I wonder why it errors 10:09:42 <nielsm> my small oil cargoes test grf still works 10:10:44 <andythenorth> it's liable to be a FIRS bug 10:10:58 <andythenorth> FIRS needs refactored to work properly with 16 cargos 10:11:16 <andythenorth> but it's a moving target between the spec and also the nml patch :) 10:11:34 *** hph^ has quit IRC 10:20:10 <nielsm> right, I'll leave that alone for now and assume it's a problem with the grf and not my code :) 10:22:17 <nielsm> okay still happens with the newer + larger version you posted on sep 10th 10:22:56 <nielsm> so the nml code used to generate it might be wrong, as you note yourself 10:29:18 <andythenorth> most likely it's a broken action 0 10:29:34 <andythenorth> and once we have everything else stable it can be fixed later if needs be 10:30:33 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 10:33:45 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #6867: 16 cargo types in and out for industries https://git.io/fN03K 10:34:22 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #6867: 16 cargo types in and out for industries https://git.io/fx9pC 10:43:14 <andythenorth> bbl 10:43:16 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:46:09 *** gadago has joined #openttd 10:46:09 <gadago> Ꮤith o∪r IᏒC ɑd serᴠicе you cɑᥒ reɑch a glഠbal aᥙԁіeᥒсе of entreprеᥒеᥙrs аnd feᥒtanyⅼ adԁiϲts witһ ᥱxtraordiᥒɑry ᥱnɡaɡemеᥒt rates! https:∕/ᴡilliaⅿpіtcоck.сⲟm᜵ 10:46:09 *** gadago has quit IRC 10:51:16 *** vaizki23 has joined #openttd 10:51:21 <vaizki23> Witһ ⲟᥙr IᏒϹ ɑd sᥱr⋁iϲе уഠ∪ cɑn reɑϲһ а ɡlobаⅼ ɑudiеᥒce οf entreprenᥱurѕ ɑnԁ fеntɑᥒyl aԁdⅰϲts ᴡⅰth еxtraorⅾⅰᥒary ᥱngaɡemеnt ratеsǃ https://wiⅼlⅰɑmⲣіtcock．ϲom⁄ 10:51:21 *** vaizki23 has quit IRC 10:59:27 *** Alkel_U3 has joined #openttd 11:00:28 <Wolf01> Lol, they are evolving... unsuccesfully 11:04:23 <nielsm> not sure it's a good idea to corrupt the url 11:04:31 <nielsm> but whatever 11:06:37 <Wolf01> Exactly 11:08:46 <Wolf01> Mmmh, it looks like oracle is killing java 11:10:15 <LordAro> ? 11:40:12 *** Gja has joined #openttd 11:45:08 *** gnu_jj has joined #openttd 11:55:05 <Wolf01> https://www.java.com/en/download/release_notice.jsp <- LordAro 11:56:43 <LordAro> i'm not sure "ending support for java 8" is quite the same as "killing java" 12:04:20 <Wolf01> I think I'll stick to the LTS, I'm a bit hesitant to switch to new versions of anything in these days, beginning from browsers where they remove features every day, and ending with windows where every big update is a russian roulette 12:07:29 *** leerg319 has joined #openttd 12:13:59 *** Progman has quit IRC 12:21:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 12:26:21 *** Gja has quit IRC 12:52:37 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest1521 12:52:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 12:53:50 *** blathijs has joined #openttd 12:56:23 *** Guest1521 has quit IRC 13:01:13 *** Gja has joined #openttd 13:40:00 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 13:40:53 *** ToBeFree is now known as Guest1524 13:40:53 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 13:41:36 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 13:47:06 *** kyledrake has joined #openttd 13:57:04 *** Samu has joined #openttd 13:57:14 <Samu> hi 14:03:59 *** Gja has quit IRC 14:17:05 *** Mahjong has joined #openttd 14:17:39 *** Mahjong has quit IRC 14:17:57 *** Mahjong has joined #openttd 14:18:14 <andythenorth> o/ 14:19:21 <LordAro> is it? 14:20:19 <andythenorth> dunno yet 14:20:35 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 14:21:29 *** Mahjong1 has quit IRC 14:34:21 *** Gja has joined #openttd 14:56:29 *** rocky11384497 has joined #openttd 14:57:02 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:23:21 *** Gja has quit IRC 15:24:52 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:39:01 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest1535 15:39:03 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 15:44:44 *** Guest1535 has quit IRC 15:45:57 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 15:59:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:01:13 *** VanDyke has joined #openttd 16:01:57 *** VanDyke has quit IRC 16:05:43 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh opened pull request #6946: Doc: More notes for developers adding new PerformanceElements https://git.io/fxHY1 16:08:08 <nielsm> I don't know if these additions are any help, or if they even make sense :) 16:17:27 <andythenorth> :) 16:19:53 <LordAro> lgtm 16:20:24 <LordAro> easy way to find out about the doxygen codes is to generate it and see what it looks like :p 16:20:35 <nielsm> then I'd have to install doxygen 16:20:37 <LordAro> i suspect there's a few \c(?) that could be added 16:21:03 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 16:25:29 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 16:25:46 <nielsm> hmm okay that wasn't too hard 16:25:58 <nielsm> but that's a LOT of spam running it 16:30:44 <LordAro> lots of missing documentation :) 16:34:54 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 16:43:49 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:49:18 *** lapinot23 has joined #openttd 16:51:52 <nielsm> okay that's annoying actually, doxygen is intentionally ignoring everything inside the anonymous namespace :( 16:52:08 <LordAro> heh 16:52:28 <LordAro> could be a flag in the config file 16:52:30 <nielsm> but dutifully documenting the static widget layout definitions 16:53:06 *** johnny56_ has joined #openttd 16:54:57 *** OMGLag has joined #openttd 16:55:05 <OMGLag> Hi, where is the reddit channel 16:55:09 <OMGLag> ? 16:59:34 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 17:00:34 *** TopZoozle has joined #openttd 17:00:43 <TopZoozle> How is everyone? 17:01:18 *** ANIKHTOS has joined #openttd 17:01:37 <ANIKHTOS> hello to all 17:01:41 <TopZoozle> Hello 17:02:46 <LordAro> OMGLag: #/r/openttd i believe 17:04:01 *** TopZoozle has quit IRC 17:05:17 <ANIKHTOS> long time not see i wish all a nice autum winter season 17:06:41 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:08:38 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:12:00 <nielsm> ugh takes forever to run doxygen... 17:16:37 <LordAro> "EXTRACT_ANON_NSPACES = NO" 17:16:45 <LordAro> has appeared in my config file after running doxygen -u 17:16:53 <nielsm> yeah found that one too 17:16:57 <LordAro> almost looks like most of the time is spent outputting all the warnings :p 17:17:04 <nielsm> that too 17:19:59 <LordAro> nope, hardly any change when redirecting output to devnull 17:20:07 <LordAro> just lots of code :p 17:24:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:26:49 *** matt21347 has quit IRC 17:28:41 *** ANIKHTOS has quit IRC 17:28:50 <andythenorth> oof 17:29:30 <nielsm> rab? 17:33:58 <LordAro> nielsm: why did you use an anonymous namespace, ooi? 17:34:07 <LordAro> i've never really seen the point of them 17:35:45 <nielsm> habit... 17:37:26 <LordAro> that works too :p 17:47:30 <andythenorth> what next? o_O 17:55:23 <andythenorth> drawing stuff? 17:55:34 <TrueBrain> it was really asking for other responses, I promise you 17:58:08 <LordAro> an TB 17:59:09 <TrueBrain> no 17:59:14 <LordAro> aw 18:01:42 <TrueBrain> yeah, I know right 18:01:44 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 18:05:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i need to switch games... tried KSP for a while, but seriously getting annoyed at some game mechanics 18:07:57 <TrueBrain> hmmm .. you cannot extend USB till the end of times, it seems ... after 15 meters the hub doesn't want to talk to the pc... so sad 18:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, USB is spec-ed at max 5m 18:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there are special extension cables with repeaters 18:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i got a 15m one for work once 18:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> costs about 100€ 18:10:34 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 18:10:47 <dwfreed> oftentimes it's better to use the USB to Cat5 converters 18:11:02 <TrueBrain> THE LATENCY! 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