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00:08:10 *** OsteHovel has quit IRC 00:47:49 *** Progman has quit IRC 01:12:35 *** wodencafe has quit IRC 03:00:07 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 03:00:10 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 03:46:25 *** glx has quit IRC 04:35:41 *** reldred has left #openttd 04:37:41 *** reldred has joined #openttd 05:32:49 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 06:22:12 *** Heiki has quit IRC 07:37:59 *** Arveen has quit IRC 07:53:10 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 07:56:31 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 08:06:35 *** lugo has joined #openttd 08:36:37 *** lugo has quit IRC 09:43:17 *** Maarten has quit IRC 09:55:41 *** matt21347 has joined #openttd 11:05:21 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 11:15:08 *** daspork has joined #openttd 11:24:52 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Balsiefen opened issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpqX6 11:30:30 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] planetmaker commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpqXp 11:37:38 <peter1138> Hmm, is it worth trying OpenLocomotion... 11:49:32 *** Progman has joined #openttd 11:54:33 *** Progman has quit IRC 12:19:00 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Balsiefen commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpqDd 12:19:42 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] planetmaker commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpqDp 12:22:40 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Balsiefen commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpqyZ 12:23:25 <planetmaker> must ... not ... reply ... no more. I'd loose curtosy 12:24:39 <LordAro> :> 12:31:12 <LordAro> "closed won't fix <something about how bananas is old and broken and this is a known issue>. we can't teach you about commandline tools here, feel free to go to the forum to ask for help <link>" 12:31:16 <LordAro> probably 12:53:51 <peter1138> What can I do with an old Raspberry Pi? 12:53:58 <peter1138> I'm thinking... bin it. 13:00:53 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Balsiefen commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpq9A 14:06:10 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpqbD 14:17:43 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Balsiefen commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpqN5 14:39:42 <Sacro> peter1138: mine bitcoin 14:39:50 <Sacro> Perhaps PBMOTTD 14:39:56 <Sacro> Put a stamp on it and shove it in the post 14:42:41 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 15:53:05 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:26:19 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 16:26:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 16:33:37 *** tokai has quit IRC 16:39:31 *** greeter has quit IRC 16:55:16 *** lugo has joined #openttd 17:59:33 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:00:34 *** acklen has quit IRC 18:00:41 *** acklen has joined #openttd 18:02:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:02:48 <andythenorth> yo 18:03:18 <nielsm> hi 18:03:58 <andythenorth> hi 18:04:49 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth closed issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpqX6 18:04:51 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpmnE 18:05:08 <andythenorth> peter1138: we have a pi too 18:05:23 <andythenorth> sits on a shelf, looking for a reason to exist 18:07:30 <andythenorth> I only really understand computers if there's a keyboard attached 18:07:56 <andythenorth> spectrum, Amiga, BBC, Acorn, laptop 18:08:05 <andythenorth> everything else is just a weird rectangular box 18:10:18 <nielsm> but, like, the RPi kinda _is_ an acorn, it sure does use an Acorn Risc Machine CPU 18:11:40 <andythenorth> that's like saying my phone is too :P 18:11:54 <andythenorth> what's a pi for? 18:12:02 <andythenorth> I miss the point 18:12:28 <andythenorth> so I worry my kids won't understand computing fundamentals 18:12:29 <nielsm> hobbyists who want a system with GPIO 18:12:38 <andythenorth> ok :) 18:12:46 <nielsm> since that's difficult to get on regular computers these days 18:12:50 <andythenorth> so I see them used in Lego automation projects, for example 18:13:08 <andythenorth> they seem to be pitched as educational, but it doesn't look like the computers I learnt with 18:13:09 <andythenorth> so eh :) 18:13:17 <nielsm> (originally IBM compatibles had the parallel port which could be used for it, C64 had the user port, most others had something similar) 18:14:10 <andythenorth> BBC had parallel and serial iirc 18:14:34 <andythenorth> is there a USB implementation for general IO? o_O 18:15:59 <nielsm> probably is 18:16:14 <nielsm> but it might be difficult to get good timing on it 18:16:23 <nielsm> for more precision than perhaps 1/10 or 1/100 s 18:16:23 <frosch123> there is a usb spec for rs232 :p 18:16:34 <andythenorth> hmm https://www.mac-usb-serial.com/docs/tutorials/serial-port-programming-swift-mac-os-x.html 18:16:39 <andythenorth> maybe I am interested 18:16:55 <andythenorth> I'd probably need a motor driver though 18:17:09 <andythenorth> just trying to control a motor directly with the 5v is probably very unwise 18:17:51 <andythenorth> I have no idea what the project is yet, but it should involve motors :P 18:18:05 <nielsm> yeah you absolutely need a separate power supply for that 18:18:14 <nielsm> and control via a transistor or relay or whatever 18:18:19 <nielsm> (I'm not really into electronics) 18:18:28 <andythenorth> me neither :) 18:18:44 <andythenorth> this is already somewhat solved for lego with bluetooth interfaces 18:21:01 <andythenorth> BBL 18:21:02 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:24:30 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:24:44 <Wolf01> o/ 18:26:15 <Wolf01> Phone line owners called me and said there's a degraded cable and they should fix it in 2 days 18:27:01 <Wolf01> Probably they will put a patch and close the incident, and nothing will change for me 18:31:13 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2863 18:31:15 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:31:39 <Wolf01> And I keep writing while disconnected 18:35:05 *** Guest2863 has quit IRC 18:48:50 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:49:29 <andythenorth> so is it TrueBrain? 19:04:37 <Wolf01> o/ 19:09:26 <TrueBrain> oeh, andythenorth did things :D 19:09:36 <TrueBrain> master branch would have been fine too btw :) 19:09:43 <frosch123> did anyone ever use LocalSettingsGenerator.php ? 19:09:55 <TrueBrain> of mediawiki? 19:09:56 <TrueBrain> exactly once 19:10:26 <frosch123> i try to run it via "php Local...php", but nothing happens :s 19:10:36 <TrueBrain> it was years ago; not of much help :( 19:10:37 <Wolf01> ditto 19:10:38 <TrueBrain> it was horrible 19:10:40 <TrueBrain> all I remember 19:11:36 <Wolf01> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettingsGenerator.php really helpful 19:11:40 <Wolf01> (:D) 19:12:16 <frosch123> the file contains a single class 19:12:29 <TrueBrain> the openttd website will render a few nasty bad pages for the next few minutes .. just as a headsup 19:12:30 <frosch123> how do i load a php file and create an instance of an class? 19:12:47 <LordAro> sounds like you're not supposed to call it directly 19:13:40 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: so the website, it's not 'done', but first cut is done 19:13:51 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: nice :D Looks like a good start :D 19:14:01 <TrueBrain> I am going to see if I can fix the freaking BaNaNaS bla easily 19:14:05 <TrueBrain> it is most likely some stupid UTF-8 character 19:14:12 <TrueBrain> yup .. some \xd6 somewhere 19:14:17 <andythenorth> I have some questions for when (a) you're free to talk (b) I'm not eating dinner 19:14:34 <TrueBrain> a) I can predict, b) not so much 19:14:35 <TrueBrain> :D 19:14:45 <andythenorth> yair 19:15:01 <TrueBrain> some field someone on the BaNaNaS upload page has UTF-8 19:15:42 <LordAro> LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS 19:16:02 <TrueBrain> \xd6 is "o? 19:16:02 <LordAro> but probably not, unless you've somehow got utf16 19:17:00 <TrueBrain> "O indeed 19:17:04 <TrueBrain> was that a lucky guess, or what? :P 19:17:23 <LordAro> i googled "unicode d6" :p 19:17:23 <frosch123> ÖBB set? 19:17:35 <TrueBrain> that is written in lowercase 19:17:42 <LordAro> https://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl?start=1408&number=128&names=-&utf8=0x could have been one of these 19:17:42 <nielsm> anyone with tt-forums mod access? there's some spam again 19:17:48 <nielsm> (under general ottd) 19:18:38 <TrueBrain> it is just so shitty ... we fixed most of the utf-8 issues, but there is one .. that SOMETIMES popups up 19:18:42 <TrueBrain> MOSTLY disapears on its own 19:18:45 <TrueBrain> NO clue what causes it :P 19:18:51 <TrueBrain> (and given it is Django 1.2, .... :P) 19:19:14 <LordAro> heh 19:21:12 <TrueBrain> I assume it is a dependency 19:21:13 <TrueBrain> but .. hmm 19:22:42 <TrueBrain> HA! 19:22:44 <TrueBrain> fixed it :D 19:23:03 <TrueBrain> OOB set indeed 19:23:06 <TrueBrain> how the hell .. 19:23:18 <TrueBrain> I guess it was uploaded via musa or something odd 19:23:52 <TrueBrain> anyone know the author of the OBB set? 19:24:12 <andythenorth> so it fails to sanitise input? 19:24:18 <TrueBrain> no 19:24:20 <LordAro> the guy on github? (6967) 19:24:21 <andythenorth> or it's just unicode-not-aware? 19:24:27 <TrueBrain> it fails because MySQL was HORRIBLE in those days with utf-8 19:24:32 <TrueBrain> and Python2.6 was EVEN WORSE 19:24:34 <andythenorth> my python life used to be, another day, another unicode error 19:24:45 <andythenorth> we have py2.4 still in prod :P 19:24:47 <TrueBrain> those two together rarely were friends 19:24:52 <andythenorth> it's a horrible place 19:25:26 <LordAro> ouch 19:27:59 <TrueBrain> dainys007 19:28:01 <TrueBrain> rings any bells? 19:28:51 <frosch123> i would have expected oberhümer 19:29:05 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6967: BaNaNaS: Unhandled exception when uploading new https://git.io/fpmBi 19:29:19 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf https://git.io/fpmB1 19:29:37 <TrueBrain> lets see how long it takes before it breaks again :( 19:29:56 <TrueBrain> and I really should send a few devs to "how to reply politely in issues on public pages" 19:33:15 <andythenorth> at least we have a record of cause for next time :P 19:33:20 <andythenorth> I'll update forum thread 19:33:23 <TrueBrain> reason I write it down :) 19:36:10 <TrueBrain> tell the forum the BOFH finally did what he is not getting paid for 19:38:10 *** Compu has joined #openttd 19:38:20 <andythenorth> stuff and things https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1214640#p1214640 19:41:27 <TrueBrain> nice :) Descriptive, honest, complete 19:41:29 <TrueBrain> well done :) 19:42:33 <andythenorth> I try :P 19:42:46 <andythenorth> maybe I could get a job doing this one day, if I work extra hard 19:42:48 <frosch123> i found install.php 19:43:03 <TrueBrain> frosch123: arent you following a manual? 19:43:07 <TrueBrain> or what are you trying to do? 19:43:09 <andythenorth> if I found a file called that, I would probably delete it 19:43:16 <andythenorth> I found some php on our dropbox once 19:43:18 <frosch123> i try to make a mediawiki docker 19:43:19 <andythenorth> that worried me 19:43:31 <frosch123> the existing dockerfiles i do not understand 19:43:40 <frosch123> and i did not find a manual :p 19:43:40 <TrueBrain> it is maintained by upstream 19:43:44 <TrueBrain> so we need to understand it? :P 19:43:51 <andythenorth> is it just an appliance? 19:44:09 <frosch123> so, i just stated with a debian slim, and took the debian package 19:44:12 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: the docker is 19:44:16 <frosch123> it did setup apache to serve it 19:44:29 <frosch123> but i need to create a mysql tablespace manually 19:44:31 <andythenorth> I have been waiting for the whole 'appliance' thing to actually pay off 19:44:31 <frosch123> or something 19:45:01 <TrueBrain> I really installed mediawiki once .. and then I had to upgrade it once ... both took me over a day 19:45:06 <TrueBrain> especially with LDAP 19:45:07 <TrueBrain> ugh 19:45:11 <TrueBrain> so not of much help there :( 19:45:21 <TrueBrain> but there used to be an install manual of some sorts 19:45:25 <andythenorth> :P https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services 19:48:34 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you had questions? 19:48:50 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: yes, also I am nearly done with dinner 19:48:51 <andythenorth> BRB 19:49:01 <TrueBrain> why is he talking while having dinner?! 19:49:02 <TrueBrain> omg 19:49:19 <TrueBrain> who takes over 30 minutes for eating dinner? 19:49:21 <TrueBrain> omg 19:50:39 *** glx has joined #openttd 19:50:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 19:54:17 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: also making xmas present lists with kids 19:54:18 <andythenorth> etc etc 19:54:26 <TrueBrain> busy busy bee :D 20:05:50 <frosch123> i wonder whether i can disable the admin user 20:05:59 <frosch123> or whether to just set a random pw 20:07:12 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD has LDAP enabled and that allowed me to disable any other backend 20:07:17 <TrueBrain> which was nice 20:07:21 <TrueBrain> took a few hacks, I remember 20:07:22 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: ok yo 20:07:26 <andythenorth> stuff and things 20:07:36 <frosch123> ok, so i should jsut continue installing the oauth extension 20:08:03 <TrueBrain> most likely :) 20:08:25 <andythenorth> 1) I found a bunch of relative links with //foo/bar 20:08:44 <andythenorth> which is (a) weird and (b) fails when compiled static and tested locally, so I changed them 20:08:46 <andythenorth> probs fine>? 20:08:50 <TrueBrain> if they start with // they are not relative :) 20:09:03 <TrueBrain> / means what-ever-protocol-you-were-on 20:09:09 <TrueBrain> hmm: // means what-ever-protocol-you-were-on 20:09:18 <TrueBrain> (so mostly either http or https) 20:09:21 <andythenorth> oh we call those protocol-relative 20:09:30 <LordAro> those require a domain though, right? 20:09:35 <LordAro> //foo.com/bar 20:09:41 <TrueBrain> foo can be a domain :) 20:10:09 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: anyway, they were there to support openttd.org via both http and https 20:10:13 <andythenorth> anyway I've binned them, but they can be put back 20:10:20 <TrueBrain> but given we have no more media.openttd.org 20:10:21 <andythenorth> but then we can only QA in a live server 20:10:22 <TrueBrain> not relevant :P 20:10:53 <TrueBrain> so you are most likely fine :) 20:11:18 <andythenorth> 2) the footer in prod knows if I'm logged in or not, kind of hard to do in a static compile :P 20:11:30 <andythenorth> it swaps 'login' to 'logout (username)' 20:11:41 <TrueBrain> we are going to remove both 20:11:49 <andythenorth> also the footer is shared across services, so do you want to do it as an ESI or something? 20:11:51 <TrueBrain> wiki, eints, etc will have their own login 20:11:53 <TrueBrain> no more SSO 20:11:57 <andythenorth> right 20:12:07 <TrueBrain> mainly as it won't work 20:12:18 <TrueBrain> or we need to add JWT and a backend authorization server 20:12:23 <TrueBrain> but that sounds like a lot of work :P 20:12:27 <andythenorth> meh 20:12:30 <andythenorth> do simple things 20:12:46 <TrueBrain> and frosch123 is doing oauth, so that wont work at all anyway :) 20:12:56 <TrueBrain> simple is better, so that is a good thing :) 20:13:02 <andythenorth> 3) should privacy notice be on account.openttd like now, or on main openttd.org domain? 20:13:12 <TrueBrain> it isnt on the main?! :o 20:13:19 <TrueBrain> it is 20:13:20 <TrueBrain> pfew 20:13:24 <TrueBrain> owh, you mean the page itself 20:13:26 <TrueBrain> main please :) 20:13:29 <andythenorth> I found it here https://account.openttd.org/en/policy 20:13:36 <TrueBrain> yeah, sorry, misunderstood you 20:14:26 <andythenorth> 4) do we even like the screenshots page, before I reimplement it all in jekyll? o_O 20:14:41 <TrueBrain> I do, and I think it is important 20:14:46 <andythenorth> ok 20:14:48 <TrueBrain> it is one thing that annoys me most of anything 20:14:54 <andythenorth> keep the current format? 20:14:55 <frosch123> it could also be a wiki page, like "community" 20:14:56 <TrueBrain> of any website that shows a product 20:14:58 <frosch123> so other people can edit 20:14:59 <andythenorth> but make it less shit? 20:15:17 <TrueBrain> I really really really really dislike the wiki, but that is just me possibly :P 20:15:28 <andythenorth> I dislike all wikis :) 20:15:32 <andythenorth> except c2 20:15:34 <frosch123> yes, it is shit, but everyone can edit it :) 20:15:34 <TrueBrain> I think if we put the screenshots on git too, it allows people to contribute more easy? 20:15:37 <andythenorth> the original wiki is great 20:15:49 <andythenorth> oops /me must not visit c2 now 20:15:53 <andythenorth> we are busy here 20:16:06 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: current format is fine by me; lets port first, improve later :) 20:16:19 <andythenorth> should I learn SASS and port the css? 20:16:22 <TrueBrain> the sooner we have it on github, the sooner people can really take a crack at it :P 20:16:28 <TrueBrain> again, port first :P 20:16:37 <TrueBrain> after that, go nuts :P 20:16:42 <andythenorth> 5) was SASS :P. I already ported what I think we need, and deleted some things 20:16:44 <TrueBrain> I once made a version without the PNGs too 20:16:49 <andythenorth> I might just leave the css alone mostly 20:17:02 <TrueBrain> with CSS3 that is very easy 20:17:05 <TrueBrain> looks better too 20:17:10 <TrueBrain> but .. something for another day ;) 20:17:18 <andythenorth> 6) file endings, I had to add .html to paths, which is unusual these days 20:17:35 <andythenorth> that might need more explaining 20:17:38 <TrueBrain> to paths? 20:17:41 <frosch123> when i run a database in docker... 20:17:50 <frosch123> where do i put the data on disk? 20:17:56 <andythenorth> so jekyll does a 1:1 compile of certain file types 20:17:57 <frosch123> in some folder outside the docker? 20:18:11 <TrueBrain> frosch123: most databases mention this, that you have to use -v for that, to some location you want persistant storage 20:18:33 <TrueBrain> s/databases/docker/ 20:18:33 <andythenorth> my mac is confused by files without .html extensions (how we've advanced since old Macs that didn't need this) 20:18:52 <andythenorth> and Chrome is also confused by files without .html, no MIME type, so it treats it as plain text 20:18:55 <andythenorth> which makes testing hard 20:19:07 <andythenorth> and finally, my brain is confused by files without extensions, cos I don't what they are 20:19:11 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I still dont really understand .. 20:19:16 <TrueBrain> why would you make files without an extension? 20:19:24 <TrueBrain> jekyll even wants files to have extensions? 20:19:29 <andythenorth> jekyll doesn't care 20:19:38 <TrueBrain> .md is compiled different over .html? 20:19:39 <andythenorth> but jekyll compiles 1:1 filenames 20:19:49 <TrueBrain> either way, no extensions is stupid 20:19:52 <TrueBrain> always give files extensions 20:19:55 <TrueBrain> tell people what they are 20:20:00 <andythenorth> so we end up with openttd.org/about.html 20:20:02 <TrueBrain> dont be like: data :P 20:20:05 <LordAro> unless they're executables :p 20:20:06 <andythenorth> instead of openttd.org/about 20:20:11 <andythenorth> it's regressive 20:20:15 <TrueBrain> AH, you mean URLs :) 20:20:18 <andythenorth> urls don't need file extensions 20:20:21 <TrueBrain> holy crap :P That was a vague description :D 20:20:25 <TrueBrain> you said paths :D 20:20:27 <LordAro> andythenorth: that's traditionally handled by the web server, not the files 20:20:29 <TrueBrain> I was thinking filepaths :D 20:20:44 <TrueBrain> sorry, totally misunderstood you completely 20:20:44 <andythenorth> the problem is that the filepaths become the url trailing part 20:20:48 <andythenorth> because jekyll 20:20:54 <LordAro> is this where we need the distinction between URL & URI? :p 20:21:03 <andythenorth> do we handle that in web server then? 20:21:11 <TrueBrain> what-ever it is, not important for now :) 20:21:15 <andythenorth> it's 10 years since I dealt with anything like that 20:21:27 <TrueBrain> those minor gold-plating issues we can fix later 20:21:29 <andythenorth> I just use frameworks that serve on routes I define :P 20:21:39 <TrueBrain> for example, I would also much rather have the pages in .md, instead of .html :) 20:21:41 <TrueBrain> but that can be done later :P 20:21:45 <andythenorth> ok so conclusion, extensions are non-issue 20:22:00 <TrueBrain> extensions are no priority 20:22:10 <andythenorth> 7) server page will be done by TrueBrain, it contains only CABBAGE right now 20:22:27 <TrueBrain> remove server page, and call https://servers.openttd.org/ :) 20:22:39 <TrueBrain> I will fix that up when we get there :) 20:23:04 <andythenorth> 8) someone is going to magically make all blog content appear in a folder? 20:23:11 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 20:23:12 <andythenorth> I will make the template work 20:23:12 <TrueBrain> yup 20:23:19 <TrueBrain> make 1 post look good 20:23:21 <andythenorth> ok 20:23:21 <TrueBrain> I will handle the rest 20:23:26 <andythenorth> we are like 50% done then 20:23:29 <andythenorth> but the easy 50% 20:23:39 <TrueBrain> its a start :) 20:23:44 <TrueBrain> and please, just put it in the master branch :P 20:23:46 <andythenorth> don't suppose we have a jenkins that builds this, running total validator, and visual diff? :P 20:23:58 <TrueBrain> you supposed correctly 20:24:10 <andythenorth> so I have to find all the 404s and invalid html manually :P 20:24:15 <TrueBrain> btw, 'permalink' is your way to fix your .html issue 20:24:16 <andythenorth> and check every page when I touch css 20:24:31 <andythenorth> what is LordAro doing anyway? 20:24:31 <TrueBrain> yes 20:24:35 <TrueBrain> nobody knows :P 20:24:42 <TrueBrain> still reading my hackmd :( 20:25:07 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: https://jekyllrb.com/docs/permalinks/ 20:25:07 <andythenorth> golden rule: nobody QAs there own work 20:25:13 <andythenorth> LordAro already found one bug in the website 20:25:39 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: that looks useful, Jekyll seems pretty good to mne 20:25:41 <TrueBrain> I will slowly work towards moving any push in 'master' to the staging automatically 20:25:50 <andythenorth> I will switch to master 20:25:56 <TrueBrain> cool 20:26:02 <andythenorth> nobody wants to piss around rebasing all my commits to create fake history? 20:26:10 <TrueBrain> and I guess the CI will do shit like: spider through the website finding 404s 20:26:30 <TrueBrain> before we move to OpenTTD space, we will most likely flatten everything or something 20:26:32 <TrueBrain> not sure yet 20:26:36 <TrueBrain> depends on the mess we create 20:26:40 <andythenorth> I only do 2 kinds of commit: very atomic, 'I changed x', or 'I changed everything, don't ask' 20:26:43 <TrueBrain> but first, lets create a mess :) 20:27:15 <TrueBrain> this is agile; we first just shit around till we got something we like 20:27:21 <TrueBrain> than we do magic with it 20:27:24 <TrueBrain> and say: LOOK, SHINY 20:27:28 <TrueBrain> :D 20:27:43 <TrueBrain> just dont force-push to master, that is all I ask you :) 20:28:23 <andythenorth> oh 20:28:35 <TrueBrain> put the branch protection on it, so you cant :P 20:28:38 <andythenorth> so in one place I get yelled at for not force-pushing 20:28:41 <TrueBrain> (a force push is not liked by a CD :D) 20:28:46 <andythenorth> and in the other place I get yelled at by force-pushing 20:28:53 <andythenorth> oof 20:28:57 <TrueBrain> .... force pushing as policy? 20:29:02 <TrueBrain> sounds like .. a broken system by design :D 20:29:15 <andythenorth> yair, peter1138 keeps reminding me what a fool I am for not doing 20:29:25 <andythenorth> when I try to make a PR for trunk ottd 20:29:56 <TrueBrain> (PRs by design are horrible for the average user) 20:30:03 <TrueBrain> it is one of the things gerrit gets right :) 20:30:05 <andythenorth> force push always catches me out, it's banned at work :P 20:30:29 <TrueBrain> it should be banned, yes :) 20:30:35 <TrueBrain> but ... PRs dont give you many other options 20:30:44 <TrueBrain> just continue committing, and squash at the end 20:30:48 <TrueBrain> that is one nice way to do it 20:31:10 <TrueBrain> either way, any more questions? 20:31:18 <andythenorth> nah 20:31:23 <andythenorth> first 50% took like 90 minutes 20:31:32 <andythenorth> so next 50% will be done by Jan 1st 2019 20:31:33 <TrueBrain> cool; nice job so far :) Happy we at least got the bus moving :) 20:31:50 <TrueBrain> I got pretty far with the infrastructure too 20:31:57 <andythenorth> gr8 20:32:11 <TrueBrain> I have 1 more month of plenty of credits on DO to toy around 20:32:19 <TrueBrain> after that I hope we can switch to openttd.org account :P 20:32:29 <TrueBrain> babysteps :D 20:32:35 <TrueBrain> and I see frosch123 is enjoying docker :) 20:32:43 <TrueBrain> I hope he figured out how database dockers work :) 20:33:22 <TrueBrain> anyway, I am off for the night. good night! 20:34:09 <andythenorth> bye 20:35:46 <andythenorth> nielsm: how's the new pax generation? o_O 20:36:07 <nielsm> still haven't played much but I think I like it 20:36:17 <nielsm> just the flat (low) is good really 20:36:57 <nielsm> but should really try to set up something with larger cities 20:37:46 * andythenorth needs to test :) 20:38:00 <nielsm> hmm is this right? https://0x0.st/slYZ.png 20:38:12 <nielsm> the way they overlap during turns 20:47:26 <LordAro> nielsm: i believe that's covered in known bugs 20:47:29 <andythenorth> the y offset looks too low in | view 20:47:34 <andythenorth> but it's hard to make correct 20:48:23 <andythenorth> in some angles, the default sprite sizes aren't 'correct' for the projection 20:48:31 <andythenorth> but they make nice lengths and easy maths :P 20:50:13 <nielsm> yeah alignment looks a bit wrong here https://0x0.st/slYu.png 20:55:49 <andythenorth> 6/8 is obiwan 20:56:03 <andythenorth> apparently there's a formula I can use, Eddi tried to explain it 20:56:14 <andythenorth> but I can't figure out how to implement that 20:56:19 <andythenorth> so I have to do it by eye 20:56:19 <nielsm> also note that the roof on the loco has different colour in details window and world sprite 20:56:33 <andythenorth> yeah that sprite isn't finished :) 20:56:47 <nielsm> I keep picking the good ones! 20:57:04 <andythenorth> the docs tell which is finished, but it's not exactly an interesting read :) 21:09:16 <peter1138> Ok, mixed day today. 21:09:35 <peter1138> So I found out that Mint Daim bars exist, and got some, and they are good. 21:09:39 <peter1138> And then Stan Lee died. 21:09:52 <andythenorth> pretty mixed 21:10:07 <andythenorth> mint daim is mind-blowing idea, where were they found? 21:12:38 <peter1138> B&M 21:14:19 <LordAro> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-45877164 damn. 21:14:59 <peter1138> Maybe not that one. 21:15:31 <LordAro> (it's basically around the corner from me) 21:18:02 <andythenorth> oof I've wrecked my right thumb 21:18:05 <andythenorth> maybe from tank games :P 21:18:07 <andythenorth> maybe not 21:18:18 <andythenorth> this is impairing :P 21:19:22 <LordAro> maybe from drawing trains? 21:19:53 <LordAro> be hilarious if that were true, wouldn't it? :p 21:21:07 <andythenorth> hilarious 21:24:14 *** lugo has quit IRC 21:34:12 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 21:44:17 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:53:44 <andythenorth> also bed 21:53:44 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:58:55 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:22:36 *** matt21347 has quit IRC 22:38:28 <Wolf01> 'night 22:38:35 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:45:54 *** wodencafe has joined #openttd 23:18:48 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ZehMatt commented on pull request #6780: Change: Refactor window ticks into game ticks and realtime events. https://git.io/fpm1h