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I got a bit confused :D 11:00:31 <TrueBrain> it feels weird, but the fix I had in mind was a lot more work :P 11:01:17 <nielsm> another test might be if the new file is zero bytes 11:01:33 <TrueBrain> I would expect that it is a pre-filter or something 11:02:14 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015 https://git.io/fpc4n 11:02:36 <TrueBrain> https://openttd.slack.com :P 11:02:39 <TrueBrain> is that bad? :D 11:03:49 <TrueBrain> owh, you need invite links .. which are weirdly complex 11:03:50 <TrueBrain> lol 11:04:16 <LordAro> slack is the worst 11:04:33 <TrueBrain> I love those overdramatic statements :) 11:06:51 <TrueBrain> hmm, not sure why andy reimplemented a blog .. that is not really ideal .. now we miss a few useful functions :) 11:09:30 <TrueBrain> Slack no longer supports IRC gateways 11:09:31 <TrueBrain> lol 11:10:47 <zuzak> that's where matrix.org comes in 11:14:01 <LordAro> matrix is acceptable 11:14:06 <LordAro> though it's often unstable 11:15:01 <TrueBrain> and I still cannot copy/paste on this machine .. which is hilarious :D 11:15:27 <TrueBrain> when I disconnect VNC, Konversation's clipboard no longer works :P 11:15:39 <TrueBrain> amazing, how good technoligy works :P 11:18:00 <TrueBrain> you need a paid plan on Slack to allow guests .. wuth? 11:18:15 <nielsm> sounds like a bad choice then 11:18:28 <TrueBrain> well, this channel is not much different atm 11:18:30 <nielsm> walled gardens 11:18:34 <TrueBrain> you also need to register before you can enter 11:18:55 <TrueBrain> so "bad choice" is overstating atm :D 11:20:18 <TrueBrain> but I really really do not like this channel being +R 11:20:19 <planetmaker> maybe we should rather use discord 11:20:36 <TrueBrain> Discord is not really nice for development, we noticed in other projects 11:20:47 <planetmaker> but +R here... meh... spammers... also meh 11:21:04 <planetmaker> just curious: what's bad about discorse for dev? 11:21:19 <TrueBrain> tracking any conversation is difficult 11:21:37 <planetmaker> nothing beats ascii simplicity of irc ;) 11:21:58 <TrueBrain> honestly, we can't really put our finger on it. It seems it has mostly to do with UX 11:22:19 <planetmaker> discord seems like a gamer chat platform. And that it is 11:22:27 <TrueBrain> for games it is awesome 11:22:30 <TrueBrain> (playing games) 11:22:34 <planetmaker> not tailored towards ... discussion and finding stuff again 11:22:43 <planetmaker> yeah 11:23:19 <TrueBrain> I wonder if Open Source is considered 'nonprofits' in terms of Slack :P 11:23:30 <TrueBrain> gives you a free upgrade up to 250 people 11:23:45 <planetmaker> should be, shouldn't it? 11:24:01 <TrueBrain> "valid charitable status" 11:24:29 <planetmaker> non-profit != charitable status. They should get their terms right :) 11:25:04 <TrueBrain> and this is why people are still on IRC :P 11:25:39 <planetmaker> Also... I can issue "valid charitable status" certificates when people start donating 50€/month to me. Wonder chich country's administration would acknowledge it, though ;) 11:26:13 <TrueBrain> funny to google for "slack open source" .. that is not what I wanted to ask :P 11:27:06 <planetmaker> hehe :D 11:29:27 <TrueBrain> Slacking: like freenode, but on Slack 11:29:28 <TrueBrain> lol 11:30:42 <planetmaker> https://spectrum.chat/ ? 11:31:30 <TrueBrain> okay, there are ways to make it easier to get into Slack, but it always requires an email address .. guess that is the price you pay to avoid spammers 11:31:58 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: there are tons of other chat platforms; my issue is a bit, they are all not really known, so who knows how long they survive 11:31:59 <planetmaker> which means we're back to the +R equivalent 11:32:25 <TrueBrain> and I would really like to avoid running the infrastructure ourself :P 11:32:38 <planetmaker> yeah, I know. And totally understand 11:33:56 <TrueBrain> its a bit sad, that spam has overrun us in such ways, we have to filter at the door :( 11:35:33 <TrueBrain> honestly, we can work around it by giving everyone a member.openttd.org email address :P 11:36:24 <planetmaker> not exactly. +R is ok also here for the regular users. But +R is a PITA and hindrance for the occasional drop-by but valid user 11:36:44 <TrueBrain> so for something like Slack you could make a page where they just enter their username 11:36:50 <TrueBrain> we create an email address, confirm it, and let them in :P 11:38:20 <TrueBrain> gitter too, wants to link to your GitHub account 11:38:30 <TrueBrain> "free" is not so free anymore :) 11:39:36 <michi_cc> ChanServ is missing an autovoice after 10 seconds option. 11:40:13 <TrueBrain> ghehe; that would only fix the issue for a short window of time 11:40:56 <TrueBrain> either way, I do think we have to do something; being harder and harder to reach for the main part of your public is not helping a project :) 11:41:10 <TrueBrain> (and yes, I am sorry, but IRC is not that common anymore for the current generations :)) 11:41:39 <TrueBrain> that is where Slack really helps; a lot of people know and understand that platform these days :) 11:43:13 <LordAro> is there an autovoice-when-registered thing on OFTC? 11:43:34 <LordAro> it wouldn't solve everything, but it wouldn't stop people actually joining 11:44:13 <TrueBrain> after which they cannot talk? 11:44:32 <TrueBrain> IRC for guests is already alienating, so not sure that helps :) 11:44:50 <LordAro> yeah, but it stops them from being shut out entirely 11:45:04 <TrueBrain> not being able to speak is similar to them; they wont understand, and leave 11:45:13 <TrueBrain> remember they most likely have a single question they really want to ask 11:46:01 <LordAro> alternatively you could just cope with the occasional broken spam messages :p 11:47:26 <TrueBrain> that is true, but that still leaves that IRC is not the common chat platform anymore 11:47:36 <TrueBrain> and it is really not that userfriendly for people with a question 11:53:46 <zuzak> talking of questions, does anything different happen if an industry is only slightly in a station's coverage area 11:54:01 <TrueBrain> it either is or isn't :) 11:54:40 <zuzak> okay then :) 12:00:49 <LordAro> there are some industries that only produce from certain tiles, aren't there? 12:08:21 <nielsm> nah all industry tiles are equally good for production 12:08:25 <nielsm> it's acceptance that's per tile 12:10:51 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 12:11:04 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: mostly I didn't like the format of blog post filenames 12:11:15 <andythenorth> nor the output format, although that's changeable 12:11:19 <LordAro> ^ 12:11:57 *** gelignite has quit IRC 12:12:34 <andythenorth> it's probably 5 mins work to use the built in Jekyll blog, but I suspect it's just implemented as a collection anyway, with reserved names 12:13:44 <nielsm> remember to try keeping old urls valid on a new site, have them return "moved permanently" status and redirect 12:14:16 <andythenorth> that's a Truebrain job :) 12:14:37 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 12:18:42 <nielsm> https://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI 20 years old :D 12:18:55 <nielsm> "You may not be using HTML for that page in 20 years time, but you might want today's links to it to still be valid." <- turns out we still are, but it's a different html 12:31:19 <andythenorth> did we win yet? 12:33:46 <andythenorth> if we don't use .html on the output files, my browser can't open them from the filesystem for testing :P 12:33:59 <andythenorth> because mime type is missing 12:40:27 <LordAro> don't try to change that 12:40:34 <LordAro> that's up to whatever webserver gets used 12:43:47 <andythenorth> I know :) 12:44:03 <andythenorth> so do I have to talk to TrueBrain on slack now? :P 12:52:37 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: still, you are reinventing the wheel now. And for people wanting to make modifications to the website, staying close to what Jekyll describes helps a lot 12:53:01 <TrueBrain> but mostly, I really like what they did with the filenaming, the sitemap, the RSS feed, and the individual posts you can view 12:53:08 <TrueBrain> not sure it is best to reinvent that again :) 12:54:17 <TrueBrain> (news/223.md is not really verbose :P) 12:54:18 <andythenorth> you'll do all the URL remapping? 12:54:24 <TrueBrain> that is a problem for future-me 12:54:28 <TrueBrain> dont worry about it :) 12:54:37 <andythenorth> and you'll generate all the timestamps and title slugs in the posts? 12:54:48 <TrueBrain> yup 12:54:56 <andythenorth> ok I'l flip it 12:54:59 <andythenorth> it's trivial 12:55:00 <TrueBrain> automation is easy :P 12:55:03 <TrueBrain> nice :) 12:55:16 <andythenorth> so are we all moving to slack? 12:55:28 <andythenorth> I might move work stuff to slack on Monday, we want to run authed bots 12:55:39 <andythenorth> and irc isn't ideal for that 12:56:11 <frosch123> you move stuff on a monday? 12:56:17 <andythenorth> yup 12:56:21 <andythenorth> but not a friday 12:57:29 <andythenorth> I just fundamentally dislike slack :( 12:57:36 <andythenorth> but it might be a necessary evil 12:58:45 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I think we need to do something; not sure if Slack is it, but it is the more popular atm 12:59:04 <TrueBrain> joining the rest of the crowd sometimes is a good thing (like moving to github) 12:59:21 <TrueBrain> I am, however, a bit annoyed they closed their IRC gateway; that makes it just a bit more difficult 12:59:26 <LordAro> having been through 2 "moves" to slack from irc, it only ever really serves to split the community 12:59:26 <andythenorth> so when I buy gmail for business, it's google, doing email 12:59:35 <andythenorth> when I buy plan.io, I'm buying redmine, hosted 12:59:41 <andythenorth> when I buy bitbucket, it's git, hosted 12:59:47 <andythenorth> but slack is proprietary :P 12:59:52 <andythenorth> which I dislike 13:00:00 <TrueBrain> LordAro: last time OpenTTD moved chat-channels, we moved. As in, we locked down what we left behind. People were moved within a day ;) 13:00:05 * andythenorth is the MD of a proprietary software company :P 13:00:14 <TrueBrain> Medical Director? :P 13:03:36 <TrueBrain> I find the world of chat-software a bit weird .. we go from this fully free platform (IRC, XMPP, what-ever), to all these small proprietary solutions 13:03:40 <TrueBrain> world inside-out :P 13:04:09 <andythenorth> because open platforms are open to all people :( 13:04:22 <andythenorth> and "all people" is not who you want when you want to get stuff done 13:04:41 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: current news articles have a publish time, can we drop that? 13:04:47 <andythenorth> is it even TZ aware? :P 13:04:54 <TrueBrain> CE(S)T :) 13:05:21 <TrueBrain> the "time" of the "date/time" is irrelevant, I guess :) 13:05:27 <andythenorth> because posts take the date from the filename 13:05:38 <andythenorth> I don't want two sources of truth by also adding a var for it 13:05:44 <andythenorth> that will just go wrong 13:05:48 <TrueBrain> yeah, so drop it :) 13:05:57 <andythenorth> ta 13:06:14 <TrueBrain> time is only useful for the first 7 days or so 13:06:17 <TrueBrain> after that, nobody gives a ... 13:10:43 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: pushed 13:10:46 <andythenorth> 4 mins work :P 13:10:52 <TrueBrain> nice :D 13:10:54 <andythenorth> I could refactor some var names though 13:11:00 <andythenorth> Jekyll is *really* good software 13:12:12 <nielsm> there were lots of attempts to make an open "irc killer" over time, afaik, but nothing really caught on since irc already had lots of clients and lots of users 13:12:58 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: nice :D 13:12:59 <nielsm> and then some closed products rush in and catch the facebook generation with sleeker UI and integrated features 13:13:14 <andythenorth> I only joined irc under protest 13:13:22 <andythenorth> because Jabber, AIM weren't good enough 13:13:24 <andythenorth> nor the Apple thing 13:13:53 <nielsm> I think I still have my irc log archive back to 2002 or 2003 13:15:33 <andythenorth> hmm 13:15:42 <andythenorth> I've reintroduced the news item title bug 13:15:43 <andythenorth> oops 13:21:01 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: I've pushed, there's a bug I can't fix right now and I have visitors arriving :P 13:21:26 <andythenorth> posts no longer have a predictable path, so I can't prevent their titles from gaining a link 13:21:47 <TrueBrain> no rush :) 13:33:47 <frosch123> what, we can no longer fake the times? 13:34:03 <planetmaker> touch $FILENAME ;) 13:34:09 <frosch123> that will result in a lot of 2nd april releases :p 13:35:01 <TrueBrain> frosch123: the time is in the filename .. I am sure you can come up with a way to fake that :P 13:35:06 <TrueBrain> remember, we were talking about TIMES, not DATES :) 13:35:17 <nielsm> hi frosch123 any chance of looking at this soon? :) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-git-hooks/pull/7 13:37:00 <frosch123> can please you add something to the test cases? 13:37:46 <nielsm> ah 13:47:09 <planetmaker> frosch123, is there a quick tour how the github webhooks work / how they are installed somewhere you know of? 13:47:29 <frosch123> webhooks is tb 13:47:34 <frosch123> commithooks is me 13:47:43 <planetmaker> ah, thought you installed them 13:50:31 <planetmaker> commithooks... on the server side? 13:53:33 <zuzak> do farm yields go down if you murder all their fields 13:53:58 <planetmaker> nope. Farm fields are just eye candy 13:57:41 <frosch123> planetmaker: the hooks would also work on a server, but gh does not offer that. instead we run them on the compile farm for PRs 13:58:08 <frosch123> it's the "commit-checker" target 13:58:25 <frosch123> it checks all commits in the PR 14:02:17 <nielsm> hmm turns out the actual problem isn't deleting files 14:02:40 <nielsm> it's that some of the files deleted were missing newlines at the end all the time 14:03:07 <TrueBrain> so it was detecting a missing newline in a removed file :D Interesting .... ;) 14:03:31 <TrueBrain> first make a commit to add the newlines, then remove the file? :P 14:03:38 <nielsm> settingsgen_vs100.vcxproj version_vs100.vcxproj 14:03:40 <nielsm> those two files 14:03:48 <nielsm> yeah I'm doing it the dumb way around :P 14:03:50 <TrueBrain> git blame, and slap those people! :P 14:08:00 * nielsm slaps glx around with a cow 14:08:26 <nielsm> 2011 14:09:26 <TrueBrain> so expected it to be me tbh :D 14:09:41 <nielsm> :D 14:09:45 <frosch123> i expected truelight 14:10:04 <nielsm> glx is the only with history on the settingsgen project at least 14:12:21 <TrueBrain> I have no problems blaiming him :P 14:15:33 <LordAro> nielsm: sounds like you should finish #5 :p 14:22:11 <nielsm> $ git commit -m "Update: Add missing newline at end of some project files" 14:22:11 <nielsm> *** b/projects/generate_vs140.vcxproj: No newline at end of file 14:22:18 <nielsm> arghdsrbno8340w 14:22:26 <LordAro> lol 14:22:35 <LordAro> --amemd 14:22:53 <TrueBrain> guess it is time for a password change? :P 14:22:55 <nielsm> I'm making a new commit on top of master here, not amending anything 14:30:56 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015 https://git.io/fxANX 14:30:57 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh dismissed a review for pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015 https://git.io/fxAAn 14:32:10 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015 https://git.io/fpczm 14:36:05 <nielsm> I'm not sure how you'd best detect that a missing-newline-at-end is being fixed and not introduced 14:37:58 <frosch123> previous line containing "-"? 14:38:08 <frosch123> but yeah, it's weird 14:39:57 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pknuegqgd <- that's what it looks like when fixing 14:40:33 <nielsm> yeah 14:40:45 <nielsm> so uh... 14:41:20 <nielsm> ^\+.*$^\ No newline at end of file 14:41:24 <nielsm> does that work? 14:41:33 <nielsm> my regex-fu is weak 14:42:00 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pzfc9fhgx <- that's when breaking it 14:42:49 <frosch123> nielsm: no, the loop already splits the liens 14:42:56 <nielsm> ah 14:43:37 <frosch123> so, you need some state var betwen loop iterations 14:43:39 <andythenorth> hmm 14:43:41 <nielsm> so, keep track of whether previous line was add, remove, context, or hunk-position? 14:43:45 <andythenorth> I'm sure I'm doing jekyll wrong 14:43:57 <andythenorth> figuring out urls shouldn't be this hard 14:44:07 <TrueBrain> I agree :P 14:46:30 <andythenorth> I've done hax 14:46:33 <andythenorth> pushed 14:46:47 <andythenorth> maybe the idea of testing locally is just silly 14:46:55 <andythenorth> but anyway 14:47:11 <TrueBrain> there is: jekyll serve 14:47:15 <TrueBrain> which makes a small http server out of it 14:47:19 <andythenorth> I know :P 14:47:26 <andythenorth> I used it to run a link checker 14:47:26 <frosch123> TrueBrain: btw. how does deploying private keys work? 14:47:47 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I am lacking a bit of context to answer that question :) 14:47:57 <frosch123> some of the dockers require cookie private keys and database password 14:48:19 <andythenorth> so what's left to do on website? 14:48:27 <TrueBrain> ah, dockers :) 14:48:27 <andythenorth> I'd like to finish it ASAP, so we can all move on :) 14:48:32 <frosch123> so, if i publish the docker file or stack.yml, how do other people use them? 14:48:35 <andythenorth> I have newgrf, tank games etc to do 14:48:38 <TrueBrain> frosch123: the most common way I see, is by using env (-e) 14:48:56 <TrueBrain> stack.yml? 14:48:59 <TrueBrain> no clue what that is :) 14:50:40 <TrueBrain> but normally passwords and private keys are read by what-ever is in the Docker from the env 14:50:47 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ppyfz5ufk <- currently i use docker stack deploy to start the wiki 14:50:48 <TrueBrain> and the controller spinning up the dockers is telling what those values are 14:50:58 <TrueBrain> never worked with docker stack :P 14:51:04 <frosch123> so, i take it the controller is secret 14:51:11 <TrueBrain> didnt even know it existed 14:51:26 <TrueBrain> (with controller here I mean the human) 14:51:53 <TrueBrain> ah, docker stack is something like docker swarm 14:51:55 <TrueBrain> sure 14:52:02 <TrueBrain> you also see a lot of docker-compose for the small stuff btw 14:52:53 <TrueBrain> anyway, not really sure what best-practice is for this 14:53:15 <TrueBrain> sure google has a lot of opinions about it :) I only used this with kubernetes, and there you have "secrets", which work really well 14:53:33 <TrueBrain> there too the idea is that the pod reads the information from the env 14:54:24 <TrueBrain> I think the idea behind it all is a bit, that like your stack.yml, the only one who can reach the database (assuming normal firewalling), is the other container 14:54:30 <TrueBrain> so as long as they know the "pre-shared" key 14:54:31 <TrueBrain> it is fine 14:54:52 <TrueBrain> not sure 14:55:40 <frosch123> anyway, as fyi, i built a working mediawiki docker 14:55:46 <TrueBrain> \o/ :D 14:55:55 <frosch123> the official mediawiki thingie on dockerhub is completely broken 14:56:00 <frosch123> so i used debian as base 14:56:19 <TrueBrain> works-for-me 14:56:42 <TrueBrain> I hope next weekend or the one after to have some basic infrastructure running on k8s .. then we can launch that in the staging too 14:56:58 <frosch123> i am not here next weekend 14:57:16 <andythenorth> so website 14:57:34 <andythenorth> how is the front page screenshot supposed to work? 14:57:35 <andythenorth> https://www.openttd.org/en/ 14:57:39 <andythenorth> automated or manual? 14:57:48 <TrueBrain> the latest in the set! 14:58:15 <andythenorth> automated then 14:58:32 <andythenorth> so probably just an array slice 15:22:10 <andythenorth> screenshot done 15:22:28 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: so there's some rule for which posts go on front page, and which on archive? 15:22:35 <andythenorth> and then we need multiple archive pages? 15:22:42 <TrueBrain> 5 per page 15:22:44 <TrueBrain> done :) 15:22:50 <TrueBrain> (believe they support that out-of-the-box, not?) 15:22:55 <andythenorth> err maybe 15:23:05 <andythenorth> dunno there are lots of nice filters for things 15:23:09 <andythenorth> just need used 15:24:00 <andythenorth> neeed more posts to test with 15:24:12 <andythenorth> here's my idea: TrueBrain imports all posts, then I set the filters up :P 15:24:13 <andythenorth> winning 15:28:44 <andythenorth> ok website all finished 15:28:45 <andythenorth> profit 15:29:12 <TrueBrain> well, I hope to have it running on staging next weekend or the one after that 15:29:21 <TrueBrain> would be nice :D 15:29:24 <TrueBrain> tnx a lot andythenorth :) 15:29:26 <TrueBrain> pretty quick work :) 15:29:44 <andythenorth> you didn't see all the bugs yet :P 15:40:05 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 15:55:59 *** urdh has quit IRC 16:18:49 <TrueBrain> nielsm: hate to be a burden, but possibly it is easier if you make a PR to fix the newlines; that is trivial to force, even if the CI fails 16:19:01 <TrueBrain> hmm 16:19:03 <TrueBrain> now I come to think of it 16:19:07 <TrueBrain> MSVC is not connected to the CI anyway 16:19:09 <TrueBrain> so nevermind 16:19:17 <TrueBrain> if glx approves this, we can force it through, no problems :) 16:19:55 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015 https://git.io/fpcVR 16:26:26 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 16:26:43 *** tokai has joined #openttd 16:26:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 16:30:31 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #6970: Revert: Sprite sorting optimisation sorted incorrectly. https://git.io/fpGQn 16:33:29 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 16:33:49 <triolus> anyone know why openttd is not in debian testing anymore? 16:34:50 <frosch123> triolus: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6922 <- random guess 16:35:18 <nielsm> yeah my guess too, one of the dependencies removed a feature we depend on 16:35:57 <Heiki> also, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897233 – the bug has been fixed in unstable already 16:37:45 <Heiki> so it’ll probably be back in testing in a few days, and of course you can install 1.8.0-2 from unstable right now 16:40:47 <triolus> I'm prety sure I have the generic binaries somewhere. thanks for the info! 16:45:38 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 17:25:22 *** urdh has joined #openttd 17:47:03 <nielsm> frosch123: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-git-hooks/pull/8 18:09:10 <andythenorth> you'd think 18:09:13 <andythenorth> this would be easy to draw 18:09:14 <andythenorth> https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5761/23054569923_d417c81e60_b.jpg 18:09:19 <andythenorth> it's just a cuboid 18:11:46 <andythenorth> this is a much harder shape https://rorymacve.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/class_52_d1016_western_gladiator_hayes_and_harlington_summer_1972.jpg 18:11:50 <andythenorth> but much easier in pixels :P 18:21:26 *** urdh has quit IRC 18:26:07 *** urdh has joined #openttd 18:29:41 *** wodencafe has joined #openttd 18:38:35 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:38:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:41:25 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015 https://git.io/fpc6O 18:51:54 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #6960: Remove: Visual Studio project files for earlier than 2015 https://git.io/fxANX 18:52:50 <TrueBrain> tnx glx 18:53:05 <TrueBrain> there you go nielsm :) And tnx for finally removing that stuff :) Now lets migrate to vcpkg! :D 18:56:23 <glx> should be easy now as ICU is gone 18:56:35 <glx> well easier 19:12:38 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:25:34 <zuzak> is there a shortcut to remove signals in the signals menu? ctrl is taken 19:25:48 <frosch123> "r" 19:25:49 <nielsm> R to toggle removal 19:26:11 <zuzak> ooh 19:26:12 <zuzak> thanks 19:47:07 *** cHawk has quit IRC 19:55:56 *** triolus has quit IRC 19:59:15 *** quiznilo has quit IRC 20:10:37 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:20:39 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 20:36:49 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 20:36:53 <Wolf01> o/ 20:36:53 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:46:25 <nielsm> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=84086 <-- as far as I can tell there actually is enough room in the enum to support a "load some cargo (don't leave this stop empty)" order flag 20:47:03 <nielsm> 3 bits set off for the loading type flags, but only 4 choices defined 20:48:03 <nielsm> (for some reason with values 0, 2, 3, 4... and the unload type flags are 0, 1, 2, 4 as if it were a bitfield even though they are logically exclusive)) 20:48:59 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest3360 20:49:01 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 20:52:50 *** Guest3360 has quit IRC 20:53:22 <Wolf01> Aww, you left out Eddi again? 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