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00:08:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 has joined #openttd 00:12:46 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 00:37:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:39:25 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 00:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, so maybe don't try to drive home at 2AM in the fog on a bendy side road that you barely know 01:05:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 01:26:46 *** Samu_ has quit IRC 01:34:59 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:35:37 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 02:20:29 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:23:42 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:34:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 03:12:37 *** glx has quit IRC 03:59:47 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 04:39:56 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 04:40:17 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 04:50:24 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 05:35:19 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 06:04:52 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:06:09 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 06:06:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 06:12:13 <andythenorth> moin 06:13:25 *** tokai has quit IRC 06:19:23 <V453000> andythenorth: could you please show me how the magical syncing of release dates is coded? <3 06:19:44 <andythenorth> yes! 06:19:54 <andythenorth> V453000: have you read the OpenTTD pull request? 06:20:07 <V453000> ish 06:20:19 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7147 06:20:26 <V453000> I've seen it but I guess I haven't read it properly enough :) 06:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: it's really simple, same date=synchronized, different date (even by 1 day) = separate 06:20:55 <V453000> ah yes because it was long :D 06:21:01 <V453000> oh 06:21:05 <V453000> well that's super nice :D 06:21:11 <andythenorth> yes it's super easy 06:21:25 <V453000> I'm assuming I don't even need new NML for that? 06:21:29 <andythenorth> o 06:21:30 <andythenorth> no 06:21:34 <andythenorth> the only complicated part for me was making Horse code automate it 06:21:35 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: the game later rounds to the nearest month (after applying randomness) 06:21:39 <andythenorth> so I never have to think about 06:21:39 <andythenorth> it 06:21:40 <V453000> awesome :D 06:22:01 <andythenorth> you don't want to be setting dates manually if you can avoid it :P 06:22:15 <V453000> the only reason NUTS doesn't work with this is because I have made the mandatory wagons come 3 years earlier than their engines :D 06:22:32 <andythenorth> is that to ensure they're always available when engines arrive? 06:22:34 <V453000> well I only set years andy :) no days or months 06:22:37 <V453000> yes 06:22:51 <V453000> so I'll just make them the same :) 06:23:21 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't have two engines coming out in the same year 06:25:09 <V453000> Probably not 06:25:15 <V453000> must check though 06:31:31 <andythenorth> V453000: I was only setting years also 06:31:55 <andythenorth> but I don't always want 40 vehicles introduced at the same time :P 06:33:30 <andythenorth> also 06:33:38 <andythenorth> everything in Horse is in 'generations' 06:33:48 * andythenorth waiting for the game to have 'eras' or tech tree 06:33:57 <andythenorth> so that daylength requests finally die 06:34:15 <andythenorth> and so that GS can finally control vehciles 06:34:22 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 06:36:34 <V453000> :D 06:36:53 <V453000> yeah I actually planned to add a "introduction date multiplier" to a new train set 06:36:59 <V453000> could still add that to nuts 06:37:10 <V453000> basically daylength for vehicles 06:38:35 <andythenorth> I was going to do that in Horse 06:38:43 <andythenorth> but the strong opinion here was 'that is wrong' 06:39:01 <andythenorth> V453000: shall we agree a schema for eras? :P 06:40:11 <nielsm> morn 06:43:50 <V453000> why is it so wrong? 06:44:05 <V453000> if someone wants a short game they can still get all engines 06:44:21 <V453000> also on a bigger map years fly by faster 06:44:30 <V453000> and in multiplayer game is rarely paused so you get through stuff quicker 06:44:44 <V453000> esp with abstract vehicles it's irrelevant what year it is 06:44:52 <andythenorth> ok so what's NUTS first and last vehicle dates? 06:45:00 <andythenorth> and how many years between generations? 06:49:57 <V453000> well the total first is like 1600, but really 1900-2100 06:50:17 <V453000> a generation is 10 years at the start, and it gets longer later on, up to about 20 years per generation 06:50:58 <andythenorth> pretty fast :) 06:51:11 <andythenorth> Horse is 1860-2020 intro dates 06:51:19 <andythenorth> about 30 years between generations 06:52:16 <andythenorth> so parameter would be (1) multiplier 1/16...16 or (2) set length of generation in years? 06:52:18 <V453000> yeah it's quite quick, but it's about 2.5 hours of playing 06:52:21 <V453000> that's not so little 06:52:28 <V453000> yeah something like that 06:52:45 <V453000> I'm not sure how much calculation I can do, perhaps even min, max year 06:53:05 <andythenorth> send me a memo if you do it 06:53:09 <V453000> arr 06:53:15 <V453000> with flowers and shit 06:53:16 <andythenorth> I think it needs explored 06:53:33 <nielsm> starting year + game length? 06:54:11 <andythenorth> shall we make an OpenTTD fork and have OpenTTD do it? 06:54:15 <V453000> andythenorth: no 06:54:21 <V453000> (: 06:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause> this idea is probably the same category as driving trains backwards 06:54:57 <V453000> it's just that I do realize that for example competitive servers only play for 2 hours while other multiplayer people play for 2 months 06:55:04 <andythenorth> ideal for newgrf Eddi|zuHause ? :) 06:55:10 <andythenorth> backwards trains :P 06:55:14 * andythenorth hasn't even tried yet 06:56:29 <nielsm> make a "configuration" newgrf whose only purpose is to host a set of settings which other grfs can then read 06:56:51 <V453000> yay because newgrf dependencies are so much fun :P 07:04:13 <andythenorth> GarryG has gone big :) https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1221971#p1221971 07:12:51 <V453000> I should probably put more effort into setting up his stations 07:12:59 <V453000> I'm always massively repulsed by the amount of grfs 07:16:46 <andythenorth> I just like seeing the sprites 07:25:28 <andythenorth> so moar wagon types in Horse? 07:26:39 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 07:28:55 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:54:03 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:04:00 <peter1138> morning 08:04:51 <andythenorth> hi 08:07:13 <peter1138> Let's just argue about XYZ coordinates for a bit. 08:08:24 <andythenorth> I considered introducing how Flash does it 08:08:31 <andythenorth> just for lolz 08:08:43 <andythenorth> then I did something more interesting 08:09:26 <nielsm> it's a really dumb thing to argue about and anyone having actual beadth of experience would know major products cover all possible combinations of axis orders and directions 08:10:30 <andythenorth> you only have to look at the nick 08:10:36 <andythenorth> to know that it's a dumb argument :D 08:10:42 * andythenorth badly behave 08:10:46 <andythenorth> back to trains 08:11:43 <Arveen> 🍆 08:12:48 <peter1138> Aubergine? I love aubergine. 08:20:06 *** jeeg[m] has joined #openttd 08:30:42 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:43:20 <peter1138> °Ω° 08:50:43 *** Mahjong1 has joined #openttd 08:51:54 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:56:33 *** Mahjong has quit IRC 09:07:01 <V453000> that's a great smiley peter1138 09:26:16 * Artea on The Offspring - Staring At The Sun 09:26:31 <Artea> good morning 09:29:16 <Artea> fucking hell 09:29:24 <Artea> 3 days I lose in MultiRPG 09:29:29 <Artea> fucking hell 09:29:36 <Artea> GRRRR 09:29:42 <Artea> not even can kill a Mutant :S 09:30:05 <Artea> oh 09:30:18 <Artea> its because I'm in a Tournament :) 09:34:48 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 09:43:10 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 09:43:53 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 09:49:36 <peter1138> Unreal Tournament? 09:49:44 <peter1138> Hmm, why should we keep adding currencies? 09:50:43 <Artea> not UT, peter 09:50:47 <Artea> IRC Tournament 09:51:22 <Artea> [10:30:54] <%multirpg> Artea has won the Low-Level Quick Tournament! As a reward for his battling skills, 0 days, 21:02:56 is removed from his time and he gets 100 gold! Artea reaches level 50 in 1 day, 23:34:57. 09:51:40 <Artea> http://multirpg.net 10:01:35 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 10:41:04 <LordAro> peter1138: because people keep asking for them? 10:42:04 <LordAro> though i do think 3 uncommonly used currencies are a bit unnecessary 10:42:53 <andythenorth> newgrf currency? 10:43:04 * andythenorth back to work 10:58:26 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7596: Add:Three currencies: NTD, CNY, HKD https://git.io/fj8LL 11:21:28 *** gareppa has joined #openttd 11:29:00 *** gareppa has quit IRC 11:37:45 <FLHerne> Um 11:38:28 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 11:40:28 <FLHerne> Given that currencies are client-side only, why not just have a "custom currency" setting? 11:41:11 <FLHerne> Multiplier, prefix, suffix 11:41:51 <peter1138> Why not! 11:43:25 <peter1138> I do think we should perhaps allow real numbers for currency display. 11:46:20 *** Samu has joined #openttd 11:48:00 *** Arveen has quit IRC 11:50:50 <peter1138> Is it lunch time? 11:53:52 <Samu> hi 12:11:34 <Eddi|zuHause> lunch? i guess my rhythm is completely off from yesterday... 12:12:32 <Samu> patch of exile has patched 12:13:11 <peter1138> What happened yesterday? 12:13:35 <peter1138> Nothing at all, it seems. 12:13:41 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 12:45:19 <supermop_work> hi 13:02:42 <andythenorth> it was lunchtime 13:02:43 <andythenorth> already 13:03:53 <peter1138> It was, I already ate. 13:04:03 <peter1138> And then I ate a bit more. 13:05:29 <andythenorth> I will eat some more 13:05:31 <andythenorth> very wise 13:06:08 <peter1138> I will eat some more tonight. I will call it dinner. 13:06:12 <peter1138> I had a massive salad though. 13:11:13 <andythenorth> should I start a salad farm? 13:11:26 <andythenorth> https://lettusgrow.com/ 13:13:07 <peter1138> fruit & veg newgrf? 13:33:54 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] closed pull request #7490: Add: Press ctrl to build diagonal rivers in scenario editor. https://git.io/fjtrz 13:34:22 <peter1138> :-) 13:34:34 <peter1138> I can't remember what I was waiting on for that one. Probably an icon. 13:48:05 * andythenorth can icon 13:48:10 * andythenorth would rather make Horse 13:48:13 <andythenorth> oof 13:48:16 <andythenorth> teflon 13:48:35 <andythenorth> maybe a fruit & veg newgrf, but irl 13:48:43 <andythenorth> with electric trucks and stuff 14:04:14 *** nielsm has quit IRC 14:39:49 *** spnda has joined #openttd 14:50:02 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:01:05 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:05:11 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:10:32 *** Gumle2 has joined #openttd 15:33:56 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] closed issue #7006: Hardware mouse cursor https://git.io/fhqLt 15:34:38 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Hezkore commented on issue #7006: Hardware mouse cursor https://git.io/fj8Ou 15:35:29 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Nik-mmzd commented on issue #7006: Hardware mouse cursor https://git.io/fj8Oz 15:43:20 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas commented on pull request #7596: Add:Three currencies: NTD, CNY, HKD https://git.io/fj8OK 15:46:35 *** Gumle2 has quit IRC 15:48:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:49:07 <peter1138> Well.. 15:49:53 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 15:50:48 <andythenorth> I know, right? 16:13:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:13:53 *** Samu_ has joined #openttd 16:17:26 *** Samu has quit IRC 16:32:17 <andythenorth> well maybe a food hopper? 16:32:22 <andythenorth> 'grain hopper' is too specific 16:32:32 * andythenorth does unprompted questions 16:40:32 <peter1138> 64 cargo types, all from the fresh food section... 16:41:13 <peter1138> It's Friday, should I have a beer? 16:41:23 <nakki> go for it 16:41:27 <nakki> I had a couple 16:44:02 <andythenorth> you should 16:44:03 <andythenorth> I might 16:46:15 <Samu_> round 22 complete! 16:55:20 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:55:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:56:15 <Samu_> round 23 started 16:57:09 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 16:57:49 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 16:58:43 <Wolf01> o/ 16:59:28 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 17:03:58 <Wolf01> So, which 2 classes should I play for the new season in diablo 3? 17:04:42 <Wolf01> I also want to play destiny 2, and friends are pushing for men of war... not enough weekend 17:08:51 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:19:11 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:35:27 <peter1138> Oh god, I'd forgotten I have Destiny 2. All these games on weird platforms that aren't Steam... 17:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i wish they'd strike some cooperation that you can separate the shop from the library or something 17:54:32 <Eddi|zuHause> so you don't need 5 different launchers just because they have 5 competing game stores 17:56:36 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:58:38 <andythenorth> which cargos are food and pourable? 17:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause> candy 18:02:44 <andythenorth> chips? 18:03:06 <andythenorth> cheese? 18:07:12 <nakki> Wolf01, i'm surprised anyone is still playing men of war 18:07:26 <nakki> haven't really seen anyone speak of the series since the first assault squad game came out 18:07:45 <nakki> monk and crusader are always fun in d3 18:09:26 <andythenorth> there are other games? :o 18:09:34 <andythenorth> besides 2048 and World of Tanks Blitz? 18:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> 2048? that was like 5 years ago? 18:10:45 <andythenorth> is it over? 18:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 18:11:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't touched since i "won" it 18:24:20 <nakki> i got escape from tarkov recently, a lot of fun with a good coop partner 18:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody figured out how lutris works? i'm trying to install https://lutris.net/games/epic-games-store/ but no avail 18:42:44 <andythenorth> what do I call a 'grain hopper' that isn't too specific? 18:44:24 <Wolf01> nakki: indeed, I meant AS2 :P 18:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> so... the install script seems to run, and when i start it, i get to a login page that seems to miss some symbols 18:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and when i click skip login, it goes into an endless loop of "wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000034 at address 0x291d640 (thread 0172), starting debugger..." 18:45:04 <Wolf01> But I really liked the single player campaign of MoW 18:46:51 <nakki> i remember playing the original men of war's campaign in coop yeah, and then assault squad 18:46:58 <nakki> don't really know what happened to the series since that 18:47:38 <Wolf01> <Eddi|zuHause> so you don't need 5 different launchers just because they have 5 competing game stores <- please explain this to Randy Pitchford 18:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause> who? 18:48:00 <Wolf01> Gearbox CEO 18:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> who? 18:50:19 <Wolf01> https://www.pcgamer.com/gearbox-boss-bitch-and-moan-if-you-want-but-the-epic-store-is-best-for-borderlands-3/ 18:52:47 <V453000> it's sad but I guess I'll probably buy borderlands 3 when it comes out anyway, looking forward to it a bit too much 18:53:07 <Wolf01> I'll wait for steam 18:54:55 <Wolf01> I already have steam, uplay (some steam games forced me to use it), origin, gog galaxy, blizzard, desura (now unusable) 18:55:27 <nakki> didn't desura go under like years ago 18:55:34 <Wolf01> Yep 18:55:52 <Wolf01> I was able to move some of the games to steam by contacting the devs 18:56:24 <Wolf01> Other ones were just drm free, so I downloaded the installers 18:57:45 <Wolf01> And the same happens with netflix, disney, sky, prime video... 18:57:59 <nakki> yep 18:58:35 <Wolf01> I just want one library with the client I prefer 18:59:16 <nakki> heh 18:59:18 <nakki> not gonna happen 19:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: the same also happens with communication tools, etc. 19:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause> all this needlessly vertical slicing 19:12:21 <andythenorth> there's (of course) an xkcd about it 19:13:01 <Wolf01> And firefox disabled again my extensions 19:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe don't use a 2 years outdated version? 19:13:40 <andythenorth> people still use firefox? :o 19:14:15 <nakki> i use firefox for the nice cross-device syncing and vertical tree-style tabs 19:15:32 * andythenorth does actually use FF, and Chrome, and Safari 19:15:44 <Wolf01> Do you still use safari? 19:16:40 <glx> the only issue I have with epic is the introduction of store exclusivities 19:17:01 <glx> well was already the case with origin, but only for EA games 19:17:21 <Wolf01> The only issue I have with Epic is Tencent 19:17:23 <peter1138> I only use Epic for the freebies. 19:17:43 <andythenorth> Wolf01: I have one browser for browsing, one for authed work systems, and one for web dev 19:18:18 <glx> same here, but I bought the last walking dead on epic as it's no longer available on steam 19:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause> still can't get it to run 19:31:52 *** Taede_ has quit IRC 19:37:36 *** Progman has quit IRC 19:38:34 *** Taede has joined #openttd 19:57:10 * andythenorth makes pixels 20:10:26 <peter1138> This might be the wrong time of year, but... I am eating Christmas pudding. 20:14:47 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:14:48 <Wolf01> Mmmh, ginger ale 20:17:37 <nakki> i'm just drinking some berry tea for my throat 20:17:53 <nakki> i caught a flu a day or two after may day 20:17:56 <nakki> and then another this monday 20:19:20 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:23:50 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 20:35:57 *** arikover has joined #openttd 20:36:11 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 20:59:31 *** Progman has joined #openttd 21:22:08 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] iigmir updated pull request #7596: Add:Three currencies: NTD, CNY, HKD https://git.io/fjlp7 21:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it's time we implemented newgrf currencies? 21:23:43 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] iigmir commented on pull request #7596: Add:Three currencies: NTD, CNY, HKD https://git.io/fj8cc 21:24:54 <frosch123> or pure user defined currencies 21:25:04 <Eddi|zuHause> we have those 21:25:05 <frosch123> all via currencies.cfg 21:25:48 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: there is one "custom". but i mean "add/edit/remove currency" 21:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> (and i believe all users which have custom currency in their cfg will be invalidated if we add currencies) 21:26:03 <frosch123> no, that was fixed somewhen 21:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that must have been less than 5 years ago :p 21:26:44 <frosch123> i would think about 5 years ago :p 21:28:55 <frosch123> anyway, we once had a no-new-currencies-policy, but people were weak 21:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm thinking the currency newgrf spec is way older than that 21:31:14 <frosch123> was there ever a newgrf using it? 21:31:24 <Eddi|zuHause> dunno 21:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't think we ever actually supported it either 21:31:58 <frosch123> i thought someone adde dit 21:32:20 <frosch123> but it's quite limited 21:32:27 <frosch123> only 4 byte prefixes/postfixes 21:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it would need to be static newgrf, and nobody uses those 21:32:59 <frosch123> so, not even enough space for a unicode char with the þ prefix 21:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess it's one of those TTDP hacks that just got formalized 21:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "we don't have a clue how to insert proper strings in this piece of code, and 4 bytes ought to be enough for anyone" 21:36:20 <andythenorth> how may currencies don't we have? :P 21:36:41 <Heiki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_currencies quite a lot still missing 21:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause> "The United Nations currently recognizes 180 currencies that are used in 195 countries across the world." 21:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and we have like what, 30? 21:52:51 <andythenorth> 93% Horse 21:54:39 <frosch123> 7% cat 21:55:16 <andythenorth> yes 21:55:31 <andythenorth> funny how the last 10% never gets done 21:56:53 <peter1138> Hmm, Destiny 2 is pretty. 21:59:19 <andythenorth> bed or pixels? 22:03:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:06:03 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:06:07 <Supercheese> Bixels 22:07:44 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:07:49 <andythenorth> chemicals tankers? 22:07:51 <andythenorth> food hoppers? 22:08:00 * andythenorth very trains 22:08:32 <Supercheese> air trains 22:08:38 <Supercheese> zellepin trains 22:09:00 <Supercheese> ultimate intermodal 22:16:09 <andythenorth> ultimate 22:16:32 <andythenorth> also bed 22:16:35 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 22:19:41 *** arikover has quit IRC 22:34:11 <peter1138> Alright. 22:38:42 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> surely it's Bexels 22:56:42 <Supercheese> nah, sounds too much like a Dutch island 22:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> don't they have a million of those?