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Given a tileindex and direction 02:50:24 *** glx has quit IRC 02:58:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like code that should exist, whether it's a separate function i don't know 04:33:31 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 05:18:59 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 05:59:56 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 06:42:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:42:29 <andythenorth> moin 06:48:44 * andythenorth in Azure 06:52:28 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:15:47 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 07:30:16 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:59:25 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:37:49 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:49:01 *** arikover has joined #openttd 09:24:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:26:10 *** arikover has quit IRC 09:30:32 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:42:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 10:15:55 <andythenorth> planetmaker: so Azure Pipelines has release & deploy tools 10:16:11 <andythenorth> I can sftp to a location, and there appears to be a way to store creds 10:16:19 <andythenorth> or I can ssh something (but sftp seems safer) 10:16:29 * andythenorth might make a diagram :P 12:23:47 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 12:37:12 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 12:40:49 *** Samu has joined #openttd 13:05:53 *** OsteHovel has quit IRC 13:07:36 *** OsteHovel has joined #openttd 13:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> should i give civ4 another try? maybe i should tick off this button for extreme barbarians, but that just means i'll get overrun by the first AI to declare war 13:09:34 <peter1138> Maybe I should play Civ 5 some day. 13:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> also what i always found wrong about civ4's longer game options is that it makes it hard to react by building more units, because they take longer to build in relation to how far the opponents can travel 13:10:02 <peter1138> I guess you need to preemptively build them? 13:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i'm traditionally poor at that part :p 13:13:37 <LordAro> i never played much civ4 13:13:43 <LordAro> 2,3 & 5 were my jam 13:13:58 <peter1138> From where I heard, 4 was pretty poor. 13:14:09 <peter1138> I played mostly the first one, and a bit of 2. 13:14:13 <peter1138> Not much of 3 or 5. 13:16:22 * andythenorth never played Civ 13:16:29 * andythenorth hoping for Warcraft 1 revival 13:36:42 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 13:36:46 <supermop_work> yo 13:38:04 *** tokai has joined #openttd 13:38:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 13:39:51 <supermop_work> andythenorth: nrt hog? 13:43:12 <andythenorth> I want to finish a Horse 2.0.0 beta 13:43:14 <andythenorth> then Hog 13:44:03 <andythenorth> I have 17 steam engines to draw, then I can ship 2.0.0 beta 13:44:17 <andythenorth> I have drawn 292 trains already, so 17 should be nothing :P 13:45:04 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 13:46:38 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:50:40 <planetmaker> ship ships? :P 13:51:13 <andythenorth> :P 14:10:32 <supermop_work> how many times are you planning on re-drawing each of those? 14:11:48 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:12:31 <andythenorth> the steam trains? 14:12:39 <andythenorth> probably draw them twice 14:12:45 <andythenorth> once for JFDI 14:12:53 <andythenorth> and then once again after I've learnt to draw trains 14:28:03 <peter1138> Should I buy some Lego games? (Humble Bundle) 14:33:13 *** Gumle2 has joined #openttd 14:34:27 <andythenorth> do you like Lego, and games? o_O 14:34:54 <peter1138> Not really. 14:34:57 <peter1138> (Kinda) 14:37:39 *** Gumle2 has quit IRC 14:53:30 <supermop_work> has anyone used mop RVs lately? 14:53:54 <supermop_work> what do they need? other than fewer RVs? 15:01:37 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:03:56 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 15:04:02 <Artea> andythenorth hoping for Warcraft 1 revival 15:04:04 <Artea> GoG 15:04:14 <Artea> is there 15:04:16 *** Thedarkb1 has joined #openttd 15:04:20 <Artea> Warcraft 1 & 2 15:04:28 *** Thedarkb1 has quit IRC 15:04:57 <Artea> also Diablo 1 15:12:44 *** jinks has quit IRC 15:18:55 <peter1138> They're not exactly revivals though. 15:23:28 <andythenorth> I wanted the original 'my liege' WC 1 15:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i had WC1, but never played it 15:49:36 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 15:54:20 <Samu> round 24 complete 16:15:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:19:17 <Samu> 23 rounds to go 16:19:19 <Samu> yay 16:19:37 <Samu> I'm just at half of the tournament 16:19:38 <Samu> t.t 16:29:27 *** Samu_ has joined #openttd 16:32:58 *** Samu has quit IRC 16:35:27 *** acklen has quit IRC 16:47:00 *** Samu has joined #openttd 16:48:56 *** Samu_ has quit IRC 17:02:18 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:02:49 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:02:56 <Wolf01> o/ 17:03:46 <Wolf01> Hmmm I'm not yet used to the fact that now irc connect superfast instead of 20 seconds of the provider's modem 17:35:17 <Arveen> maybe someone can set up an BBS for you with this channel 17:35:26 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:35:39 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:38:40 <andythenorth> so 17:38:43 <andythenorth> https://azure.microsoft.com/en-in/resources/samples/sftp-creation-template/ 17:39:13 <andythenorth> I could have a newgrf pipeline create an sftp instance on Azure, use that to move the artifacts to permanent Azure storage 17:39:39 <andythenorth> I wonder if AP can publish directly to Azure storage though? 17:41:09 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:41:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:41:36 <andythenorth> https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/pricing/details/storage/files/ 17:41:45 <andythenorth> has anyone besides Truebrain used Azure? 17:57:37 * andythenorth tries to understand Azure, but it's fairly overwhelming 18:04:14 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:18:18 <andythenorth> has anyone got an sftp server they'd be prepared to give me an account on? 18:18:24 <andythenorth> for testing Azure deploys 18:18:37 <andythenorth> I can apparently buy one on Azure but NFI which button I click to do that 18:26:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you could just run one on your local machine? 18:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (assuming proper port forwarding) 18:27:16 <andythenorth> I could run one on my wife's laptop :P 18:27:25 <Eddi|zuHause> just start sshd 18:27:30 <andythenorth> against policy 18:27:36 <andythenorth> but yes 18:40:45 <andythenorth> it's amusing that cloud has come so far 18:41:00 <andythenorth> that it's now easier to host newgrfs on my laptop, over my broadband connection 18:41:06 <andythenorth> 20 years, full circle 18:53:50 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:55:41 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 19:06:15 <glx> andythenorth: you don't have an sftp on openttdcoop ? 19:06:26 <andythenorth> I don't know 19:06:31 <andythenorth> I never asked for one 19:06:49 <andythenorth> I deliberately don't have ssh 19:22:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker: can I have sftp on openttdcoop? :) 19:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: isn't that exactly what he offered last time he said something? 19:26:37 *** acklen has joined #openttd 19:29:54 <andythenorth> ssh and sftp are still different, right? 19:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> not really 19:31:33 <andythenorth> oh 19:31:43 <andythenorth> so how is sftp secured? 19:32:05 <glx> via ssh 19:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically just an ssh connection, focused on file transfer instead of remote control 19:32:52 <LordAro> it just invokes a different "shell" on the other end, basically 19:32:56 <LordAro> otherwise identical 19:33:08 <LordAro> are you confusing ftps & sftp ? 19:33:13 <andythenorth> I'm curious how it works 19:33:18 <andythenorth> I read about it before asking 19:33:39 <LordAro> ftps is ftp + ssl, sftp is ssh + ftp 19:33:39 <andythenorth> I have had sftp to remote boxes without knowing I had shell access 19:33:51 <andythenorth> why have sftp at all? 19:33:52 <LordAro> it's quite likely you didn't, you can restrict it 19:33:57 <andythenorth> why not just scp? 19:34:05 <glx> scp is pure ssh 19:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it's the same login process, but can be subject to different server rights 19:34:50 <andythenorth> so if I give azure coop ssh creds, we have a new vuln? 19:35:19 <glx> usually you only use a key 19:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if you put anything in "the cloud", you have a giant vuln 19:35:41 <andythenorth> there are degrees of risk 19:35:49 <andythenorth> it's not practical to say all cloud = game over 19:35:55 <andythenorth> we save that for Intel CPUs 19:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: theoretically you'd create a new user on the server, that only has very limited rights 19:36:00 <glx> and you can restrict access to the user of this key 19:36:27 <andythenorth> right, so AIUI, I can sftp for upload / download 19:36:35 <andythenorth> but I wouldn't be able to get a shell on the machine? 19:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that user's key will be uploaded to "the cloud", and used for nothing else 19:36:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if set up properly 19:37:02 <andythenorth> so sftp doesn't give me a shell 19:37:53 <andythenorth> if coop is set up properly 19:37:56 <andythenorth> so do I want ssh or sftp? 19:38:29 <glx> you don't want ssh if you don't trust the user :) 19:38:35 <glx> but sftp should be ok 19:38:53 <andythenorth> we don't trust the users, neither me, nor azure 19:38:59 <andythenorth> nor people who might push PRs 19:40:06 <andythenorth> hmm I could sftp to S3 19:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you can sftp to a graphics card manufacturer from 20 years ago? 19:40:47 <glx> s3 is amazon 19:41:04 <glx> IIRC 19:41:08 <andythenorth> I'm worried about bill shock :P 19:41:48 <andythenorth> if I give Azure S3 creds on my account 19:42:44 <andythenorth> I pay the S3 bill if anyone manages to access the creds 19:42:48 <andythenorth> and abuse them 19:42:54 <andythenorth> 'cloud is awful' 19:42:55 <andythenorth> :P 20:03:54 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 20:16:38 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:17:12 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/fj4aO 20:19:27 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:27:57 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 20:30:32 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 20:31:51 <Samu> EmotionAI beats SimpleAI 20:33:42 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 20:34:00 <andythenorth> deployed from azure devops build of github FIRS https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/firs-test-1/_andythenorth.firs/docs/html/get_started.html 20:34:11 <andythenorth> it's really horrible, a lot of clicking buttons in bad UIs 20:34:51 <andythenorth> what's worse, running a server, or clicking endless buttons? 20:35:04 <andythenorth> the buttons are confusing, and everything has a security implication 20:37:09 *** quiznilo has quit IRC 20:40:51 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/fj4a6 20:40:55 *** techmagus has joined #openttd 20:46:25 <andythenorth> "You have provided public access to this bucket. We highly recommend that you never grant any kind of public access to your S3 bucket." 20:46:43 <andythenorth> is the result of following the instructions here https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/WebsiteAccessPermissionsReqd.html 20:46:48 <andythenorth> I love this shit :( 20:47:57 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7599: UI zoom appearance problems relative to 1.9.1 https://git.io/fj4ab 20:57:52 <andythenorth> ha ha web publishing :D 20:57:53 <andythenorth> https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/firs-test-1/docs/html/economies.html#steeltown 20:57:54 *** quiznilo has joined #openttd 20:58:06 <andythenorth> it was making me so sad not being able to do that 20:58:14 <andythenorth> "get a grip andythenorth" :P 20:58:29 *** quiznilo has left #openttd 21:01:14 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/fj4VL 21:07:22 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:15:23 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #6322: AI can allocate more memory than the system has, crashing the game https://git.io/fj4VB 21:20:52 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:22:09 <Hazzard> Is there a way to connect to an openttd server as a client but headless? 21:22:18 <Hazzard> for doing integration testing of soap/suds 21:24:32 <Hazzard> hmm looks possible 21:25:26 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:26:31 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 21:26:41 <andythenorth> "This policy contains invalid Json" 21:26:52 <andythenorth> yeah, I copied it from AWS docs 21:26:56 <andythenorth> AWS is made of lulz 21:35:01 <andythenorth> oops bedtime 21:35:04 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:40:51 *** Progman has joined #openttd 21:58:12 *** juzza1 has quit IRC 22:05:20 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:12:42 *** juzza1 has joined #openttd 22:20:02 *** juzza1 has quit IRC 22:20:27 *** juzza1 has joined #openttd 22:27:30 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 22:55:32 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 22:59:48 *** Smedles has quit IRC 23:01:02 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 23:01:45 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 23:23:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:57:28 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC