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10:02:48 <Heiki> which version did you try to install? 10:05:13 <busmania> 1.9.3 of openttd 10:06:32 <Heiki> and what error do you get when installing from https://www.openttd.org/downloads/openttd-releases/latest.html ? 10:07:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 10:14:10 <busmania> the download opend automatic and i get a message that there is a lower version as flatpack. i click that message away and press install but is close only the pakketinstaller 10:15:19 <Heiki> try removing the flatpak version? 10:16:10 <Heiki> (and installing the deb version after that) 10:22:51 <busmania> i have unistalll all the version and pakkeges from openttd and even the download and it don not work now. 10:23:11 <busmania> i those the same thing as before 10:27:06 <Heiki> perhaps you might try downloading the file and then installing it from the command line (“sudo dpkg -i openttd-1.9.3-linux-ubuntu-bionic-amd64.deb”) 10:31:56 <busmania> i have openttd installed though downloading the install package from openttd.org to the downloads folder and than choose for install with software store. now i works. 10:32:03 <busmania> Thanks @heiki 10:33:02 <Heiki> nice, happy playing! 10:38:22 <busmania> @Heiki, i want also to install openttd on a lubuntu 19.10 64 bit machine but i get " Error: Cannot satisfy dependecies" error is this becase openttd in not get supported for ubunut 19.10. i use the 18.04 install file. 10:40:47 <Heiki> which dependencies is it complaining about? 10:43:58 <busmania> @Heiki, i say it by the status on the QAPT package installer 10:45:07 <Heiki> you might get more informative error messages when trying to install from the command line with dpkg -i 10:45:25 <busmania> i will check that 10:47:28 <busmania> a get a message that say that there is no access to the archief 10:48:04 <Heiki> did you try as root (i.e. with sudo)? 10:48:39 <busmania> if i cd to the downloads folder i get more info about the error 10:56:17 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 10:59:02 <Heiki> I just tried installing the Debian Stretch (= very old) version on Debian testing (= very new) and had no problems at all, so I suppose the 18.04 Ubuntu version should be good enough for 19.10 as well 11:03:47 <busmania> i get a error that libicu60 is not working and ass i want to install it with " sudo apt install libicu60 it will not work and i need to unistall openttd. installing after that it will not work and say it is not A candidate for this version 11:05:23 <busmania> and libicudata is make for 18.04 and i can't found a version for 19.10 11:07:59 <busmania> i think a have found a version that works with 19.10 but now sure. 11:13:58 <busmania> i have install libicu and it is succesfull but now i need libiculx60 but i can;t found a version for installing that for 19.10. does anyone know the command for that 11:58:06 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 12:12:12 *** tokai has joined #openttd 12:12:12 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 12:19:11 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 12:51:16 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 12:54:16 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 12:54:16 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 13:01:11 *** tokai has quit IRC 13:12:05 *** tokai has joined #openttd 13:12:05 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 13:17:49 *** arikover has joined #openttd 13:19:01 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 13:27:34 *** gelignite has quit IRC 14:05:47 *** busmania has quit IRC 14:11:27 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 14:11:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 14:18:27 *** tokai has quit IRC 14:24:08 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:42:28 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:42:47 *** spnda has joined #openttd 15:14:57 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 15:19:24 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 15:20:35 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:21:03 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:42:33 *** agentsmith101 has quit IRC 15:49:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 16:05:08 *** Etua has joined #openttd 16:06:22 <Wolf01> Working from home... heh 16:11:05 <andythenorth> yo 16:28:51 *** Etua has quit IRC 16:55:18 <TrueBrain> was quiet okay, working from home 16:55:23 <TrueBrain> too bad Teams dropped out a few times, but meh 17:05:18 <andythenorth> I have been working from home on and off for 20 years 17:05:25 <andythenorth> I forget how unusual it is for some 17:05:35 <andythenorth> sometimes it's crap, sometimes it's great 17:05:36 <TrueBrain> there is a HUGE difference between working home once in a while 17:05:39 <TrueBrain> and working from home, period 17:05:40 <TrueBrain> I noticed ;) 17:05:53 <andythenorth> I worked on my own for months at a time 17:05:57 <andythenorth> massive cabin fever 17:06:07 <TrueBrain> mostly, it is boring as fuck 17:06:13 <TrueBrain> nobody to constantly talk to :P 17:06:33 <andythenorth> I get very noisy in chat apps 17:06:38 <andythenorth> ever seen that? :P 17:07:48 <TrueBrain> no, do tell 17:07:53 <TrueBrain> today I had groups that did not reply at all 17:07:57 <TrueBrain> even at the bestests of jokes 17:07:59 <TrueBrain> I was SAD 17:08:14 <andythenorth> you can always demand a video call 17:08:20 <andythenorth> that usually gets the gags flowing 17:08:24 <TrueBrain> I had so many today :P 17:08:33 <TrueBrain> I had more video calls today than in whole 2019, I noticed :P 17:09:03 <TrueBrain> what I like most about all this, how people adjust, and find a way 17:09:13 <TrueBrain> many many companies are now starting to use Teams 17:09:22 <TrueBrain> (as it is free for the next 6 months for them, I guess that is a good motivator) 17:19:14 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:48:15 <Samu> first covid-19 victim in portugal... died some minutes ago, RIP 17:52:27 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:59:11 *** Progman_ has joined #openttd 18:01:56 *** Progman has quit IRC 18:01:58 <SpComb> Finland had its first covid-19 victim taken into intensive care today 18:02:07 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 18:10:15 *** NGC3982_ has joined #openttd 18:11:16 *** NGC3982_ has joined #openttd 18:14:43 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:14:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:15:36 *** NGC3982 has quit IRC 18:27:50 <TrueBrain> frosch123: changed the API as discussed; package/content-type only returns the "new-games" versions, and no more /package/search 18:28:41 <Samu> i made a train ai for fun, actually was testing stuff 18:28:54 <Samu> turns out ok, might keep it 18:29:40 <Samu> won't release as a new AI, i'll try to integrate it into LuDi AfterFix 18:30:32 <TrueBrain> < Content-Length: 1419656 <- for NewGRFs. That is 1.4 MiB 18:30:40 <TrueBrain> better, but .. still far from useable :P 18:32:00 <TrueBrain> oops, I made a boo-boo 18:32:04 <TrueBrain> < Content-Length: 520379 <- there we go 18:32:13 <TrueBrain> that is already a lot better :D 18:33:24 <Samu> was testing whether I could reconstruct a list of tiles that contain the entirety of a rail route 18:33:38 <Samu> by just giving the station 18:35:38 <andythenorth> interesting https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/that-time-world-of-warcraft-helped-epidemiologists-model-an-outbreak/ 18:40:09 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i made the templates so that only non-public pages show a user name / logout button 18:40:17 <frosch123> so the others can be cached by whatever 18:44:15 *** arikover has quit IRC 18:46:16 <andythenorth> what should new Bananas look like? o_O 18:47:13 <nielsm> yellow with shades of green, obv 18:47:49 <andythenorth> who's our designer these days? 18:52:31 <frosch123> firs&chips style bananas 18:59:05 <andythenorth> someone was doing the openttd website? 18:59:08 * andythenorth looks in github 19:00:13 <frosch123> yeah, when the templates are pushed, we can send a message to the team 19:00:15 <andythenorth> auge https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/135 19:00:19 <andythenorth> and LordAro 19:00:33 <frosch123> andythenorth: check "website people" team 19:01:41 <andythenorth> https://github.com/orgs/OpenTTD/teams/website-people 19:02:08 <andythenorth> is there a templating language and all that jazz? 19:02:26 <frosch123> jinja2 19:02:54 <frosch123> did you see my ugly screenshots? 19:03:09 <andythenorth> classic serif font html in my opinion 19:03:23 <andythenorth> how the internet is supposed to look :P 19:03:26 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/bananas8/ 19:03:59 <andythenorth> has anyone decided on the UI framework choice yet? I really can't be arsed to get involved in that 19:04:33 <andythenorth> it's bad behaviour, but I realised all the ottd website and blog stuff is not really for me 19:04:43 <andythenorth> it's like doing my day job, again, only with other people in charge 19:04:43 <frosch123> i am writing a flask frontend, since noone wants two write a js frontend 19:05:22 <frosch123> but the api is there, so that someone can write a js frontend 19:05:32 <frosch123> maybe we find a teenager who enjoys that 19:05:53 <frosch123> quite sure only teenagers may enjoy it 19:08:48 <andythenorth> I used to enjoy writing Flash frontends 19:08:52 <andythenorth> bring back Flash :P 19:09:04 <andythenorth> I did not enjoy writing async Flash frontends 19:09:22 <frosch123> i would expect there are flash interpreters written in webm 19:09:28 <andythenorth> nobody should ever write any async UI stuff over a network ever 19:09:43 <andythenorth> having done it, it's a stunningly ridiculous thing to do 19:09:43 <frosch123> *wasm 19:09:46 <andythenorth> and yet 19:09:52 <frosch123> silly 4 letter ids :p 19:09:56 <andythenorth> :P 19:10:17 <andythenorth> and yet every 5 years we have to relearn that async over networks is bad 19:10:35 <andythenorth> and a whole part of the industry thinks it's just a tooling problem 19:10:52 <frosch123> people want to write websites in c++ now 19:11:01 <andythenorth> "that's probably fine" 19:11:08 <andythenorth> where is the state kept? 19:11:09 <andythenorth> :P 19:11:10 <frosch123> i looked at their example, it was filled to the top with sql injections 19:11:27 <andythenorth> oh so you just let third parties determine the state? 19:11:29 <andythenorth> probably fine 19:12:09 <andythenorth> so given that Everyone Hates Bootstrap 19:12:18 <andythenorth> which web framework is de jour now? 19:12:34 <andythenorth> all anyone agrees on is that Bootstrap Must Be A Bad Thing 19:12:53 <nielsm> from scratch is my favourite 19:12:58 <frosch123> no idea, my last update on that topic is from when eints was written, and there you liked bootstrap :) 19:13:17 <andythenorth> like is a strong word 19:13:28 <andythenorth> accepting that it is functional and won 19:13:31 <andythenorth> might be better 19:13:44 <andythenorth> but it's much cooler to have opinions on why it's bad 19:14:18 <andythenorth> my favourite objection is 'all the divs damage the semantics' 19:16:22 *** Etua has joined #openttd 19:16:39 <frosch123> maybe we can describe the page as .dot graph, with edges between related paragraphs 19:16:50 <frosch123> then some framework can layout based on that 19:17:38 <andythenorth> that's actually quite a nice idea :P 19:17:49 <andythenorth> the troll of it appeals 19:18:58 <frosch123> the roadmap is to upgrade from paragraph relations to sentence/word/letter relations? 19:19:58 <andythenorth> then we could micro-control typography 19:21:24 <andythenorth> "Semantic markup is about limiting HTML to only those tags required to express the content of the page, as opposed to its layout. Therefore, things like "container divs" are frowned upon. 19:21:25 <andythenorth> Well, Bootstrap does indeed make liberal use of layout-only elements like this one:" 19:21:33 <andythenorth> hmm 19:21:48 <andythenorth> the semantic dream never dies eh 19:36:44 <dwfreed> the reality is to get the page to look the way you want, you've got to use divs all over the place 19:37:04 <andythenorth> the trick question is, 'what is the semantic value of a div'? 19:37:26 <TrueBrain> I would say: less talking, more building :) 19:37:34 <andythenorth> I am not in a building mood :P 19:37:40 <andythenorth> but I approve of the idea 19:40:07 <andythenorth> I think nielsm offered above to write us a web UI library? 19:42:19 <nielsm> lol 19:42:48 * andythenorth was just reading about css grid examples 19:42:59 <andythenorth> apparently no framework is needed 19:43:15 <andythenorth> the method seems to be just defining css for specific tags 19:43:24 <nielsm> just demand everyone uses a sufficiently modern browser 19:43:34 <frosch123> nfw - noframework: sounds like a ottd thing 19:43:52 <andythenorth> I live in a world where 97-99% browser support is a target 19:44:00 <andythenorth> so I never know about this modern stuff 19:44:13 <frosch123> we just dropped win xp support, didn't we? 19:44:34 <frosch123> "just" = "two years ago" or so 19:44:54 <andythenorth> not sure :D https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/README.md#13-supported-platforms 19:47:38 <frosch123> i fixed the obvious lies on the new bananas frontpage 19:47:48 <frosch123> i did not yet fix the lies in the tos 19:53:03 *** Etua has quit IRC 19:57:21 *** cHawk_ has joined #openttd 19:59:06 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:03:23 *** cHawk- has quit IRC 20:16:29 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:46:02 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:04:22 *** Progman has joined #openttd 21:10:20 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:24:20 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 21:28:39 *** arikover has joined #openttd 22:16:39 *** Samu has quit IRC 22:17:22 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 22:27:15 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:27:26 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:31:44 *** arikover has quit IRC 23:51:12 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC