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00:58:25 *** b_jonas has quit IRC 01:43:45 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 02:28:46 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:32:07 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:47:23 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:56:35 *** glx has quit IRC 03:20:34 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 05:25:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:02:32 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:03:02 *** cHawk has quit IRC 06:49:11 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 07:08:27 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 07:13:03 <andythenorth> yo 07:14:00 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 07:18:29 *** nielsm has quit IRC 07:37:33 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 10:30:25 *** gelignite has quit IRC 11:00:54 *** Samu has joined #openttd 11:03:33 *** cHawk- has joined #openttd 11:05:56 *** cHawk- has quit IRC 11:09:38 *** cHawk has quit IRC 11:24:17 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 11:27:58 *** Samu has quit IRC 13:20:50 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:35:05 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 13:40:59 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:48:08 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 13:48:21 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 13:54:36 <andythenorth> is "Foamer Facts" a valid heading for Horse docs? 13:54:50 <andythenorth> I am totally unclear whether Foamer is an offensive term 14:10:09 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:13:43 <Timberwolf> It feels like it's in that sort of Kenneth Williams / Frankie Howerd sort of territory where it's not actually offensive, but they could damn well make you think it was. 14:29:16 <supermop_Home_> yo 14:55:05 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:01:18 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Adriankhl opened pull request #8289: Fix clang-cl build on Windows https://git.io/JJKON 15:11:52 *** glx has joined #openttd 15:11:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 15:17:48 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:50:22 *** Progman has joined #openttd 15:58:23 *** dih has joined #openttd 15:59:55 *** dihedral has quit IRC 16:21:36 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:29:53 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:36:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:54:54 <andythenorth> oh fashion dictates that I can use the <i> tag again 16:54:59 <andythenorth> they've retconned the semantics 16:55:25 <andythenorth> I love html fashionistas 16:55:42 <andythenorth> all this crap about "it's more semantic to use <em> for italics" 16:55:44 <andythenorth> morons :) 16:59:19 <glx> em is to emphisis, doesn't means italics at all 17:02:51 <Timberwolf> The acid test I was always taught is to ask, "what happens if someone is using a screen reader rather than a browser?" 17:02:57 <milek7> well, officially <i> doesn't mean italics specifically :P 17:03:14 <milek7> "The i element represents a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, or otherwise offset from the normal prose in a manner indicating a different quality of text, such as a taxonomic designation, a technical term, an idiomatic phrase from another language, transliteration, a thought, or a ship name in Western texts." 17:04:46 <andythenorth> glx yes, but that's not what was taught :) 17:05:08 <andythenorth> what gets taught by the fashionistas is "now you need to use <em> for italics, because it's more semantic" :) 17:05:15 <andythenorth> because they're thick as planks 17:05:40 <andythenorth> and the whole web-front end has been a 20 year car crash :) 17:06:21 <andythenorth> the html5 definition of <i> is pure retcon :) 17:06:35 <glx> ok stupid me finally managed to build openttd with llvm toolset (it was just a copy/paste error in my CMakeSettings.json) 17:06:45 <andythenorth> lots of html5 is retcon, because html4 was so wrong-headed :) 17:07:12 <glx> took me 3 months to notice a x86 when a x64 was needed 17:07:37 <andythenorth> oof :) 17:10:56 <glx> there was so many html4 versions 17:15:24 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:21:44 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #8289: Fix clang-cl build on Windows https://git.io/JJKWE 17:45:52 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JJK8s 17:45:52 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 17:48:40 *** Artea has joined #openttd 17:56:24 <_dp_> <i> is for icons :p 18:02:45 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 18:03:09 <debdog> and <y> for yukon 18:03:47 <andythenorth> _dp_ so troll ;) 18:03:53 <andythenorth> the font awesome outrage :) 18:13:12 *** b_jonas has joined #openttd 19:11:27 *** nielsm has quit IRC 19:13:17 <frosch123> hmm, i guess all 6 metro engines in one chain is not as unlikely as it appears on first guess 19:14:13 <frosch123> i thought the same car could appear multiple times 19:15:14 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 19:15:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 19:18:04 <frosch123> i guess i was mislead since some generations use the same sprite 19:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> so every time, a metro train of length >=6 shows, it will be all 6? 19:20:42 <frosch123> no idea how > 6 is handled 19:21:15 <frosch123> maybe the browser catches some exception 19:22:12 *** tokai has quit IRC 19:37:04 <andythenorth> you should read the docs 19:37:09 <andythenorth> they're really short though 19:37:11 <andythenorth> and no help 19:37:34 <frosch123> the source? 19:37:43 <andythenorth> len(docs) 19:37:44 <andythenorth> 0 19:37:47 <andythenorth> can TW use the OpenTTD wiki, or do I need to set my own wiki up? :P 19:37:59 <andythenorth> I don't want to write the docs, and wikis are magic yes/no? 19:38:07 <frosch123> can't be docs then. docs must contain lies, otherwise its no doc 19:38:39 <frosch123> andythenorth: maybe you want to port ottd wiki to one of the git-based wikis :) 19:38:48 <andythenorth> I think we'd find I don't 19:38:51 <andythenorth> I could try 19:39:10 <andythenorth> I did my penalty time on wiki last year :P 19:39:16 <andythenorth> 'fixed' the dev section 19:39:38 <andythenorth> I thought TrueBrain had done the wiki? 19:39:44 <andythenorth> wiki -> flat html -> S3 19:39:49 <andythenorth> nobody edits it anyway? 19:40:26 <frosch123> andythenorth: about ottd wiki, considering that someone translated https://wiki.openttd.org/NewTowns into polish recently, you will probably end up with a polish translation of whatever you put there 19:40:31 <andythenorth> super 19:40:53 <andythenorth> people's gonna people 19:41:27 <frosch123> andythenorth: the wiki is very actively edited by the monthly screenshot competition, and by the polish translators translating stuff i did not even knew existed 19:41:56 <andythenorth> wow 19:42:03 <frosch123> though, both are things i do not know why they happen 19:42:29 <andythenorth> I file most things under "I do not know why" :) 19:42:31 <frosch123> monthly screenshot thingie is a tt-forums thing, and tt-forums has their own wiki, so no idea why they use ottd wiki 19:42:43 <frosch123> and the polish translations are just ridiculous 19:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "NewTowns" sounds like a TTDP-era newgrf by MB 19:43:04 <andythenorth> well if they're having fun 19:43:12 <andythenorth> and improving their polish <-> english 19:43:14 <andythenorth> happy days 19:43:22 <andythenorth> hmm 19:43:57 <andythenorth> was it my idea to put a url-redirect in between vehicle-in-game and web-page-about-the-vehicle? 19:44:06 <andythenorth> and why did I think that was helpful? 19:44:12 <andythenorth> could just do the link directly :P 19:44:17 <andythenorth> oh porn spam and stuff? 19:44:39 <frosch123> andythenorth: the idea was to put the redirect on bananas, so you can serve docs for old versions 19:46:02 <andythenorth> seems reasonable 19:50:41 <frosch123> but also unlikely that anyone would maintain such version translation table :) 19:59:02 <andythenorth> I wondered 19:59:12 <andythenorth> doesn't seem believable 19:59:47 <andythenorth> I think I was more concerned about being able to kban malicious out links 20:00:50 <andythenorth> can we parse grf contents on upload? 20:01:10 <frosch123> we already do. but not everything is used yet 20:01:51 <frosch123> https://github.com/OpenTTD/bananas-api/blob/master/bananas_api/new_upload/readers/newgrf.py#L122 20:01:54 <andythenorth> I was thinking about reading urls, then giving them a global uid in a bananas redirecter 20:02:00 <frosch123> we wanted to use the info the prefill the bananas info 20:02:07 <frosch123> but that part is not implemented 20:02:10 <andythenorth> then writing those UIDs back into the grf 20:02:24 <frosch123> andythenorth: that changes the md5sum, so not possible 20:02:27 <andythenorth> ah ok 20:02:39 <andythenorth> json appendix in the tar :P 20:03:12 <andythenorth> oh, just grfid, action 14 version, vehicle id, send as GET params to the redirect 20:03:24 <andythenorth> 'just' 20:03:45 <andythenorth> include a json vehicle id: url mapping on upload :P 20:04:27 <frosch123> "share my trains consist on twitter" 20:04:40 <andythenorth> 'donate' :P 20:04:41 <andythenorth> oof 20:05:32 <andythenorth> also "download my coin miner for an improved version of this engine" 20:05:39 <andythenorth> "send 200 BTC for newgrf" 20:06:11 *** Vegetal has joined #openttd 20:07:54 *** Vegetal has left #openttd 20:11:49 <_dp_> would be nice if banana could add some tags or smth depending on what content grf provides 20:12:18 <_dp_> like, what defines trees, what houses, what ground tiles and so on 20:12:43 <frosch123> that is all already read in newgrf.py 20:12:53 <frosch123> you just need to make a PR for https://github.com/OpenTTD/bananas-api/issues/23 20:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause> 200BTC sounds like a nice yearly wage 20:15:25 <_dp_> just prefilling descriptions isn't quite what I mean and won't help with existing grfs 20:16:08 <frosch123> _dp_: see newgrf.py 153-160 20:16:36 <frosch123> similar info exists for heightmaps, baseset, scenarios, .... 20:17:32 <frosch123> also, should i close my paypal account? 20:17:48 <frosch123> i can't remember when i used it last. and they keep annoying with changing authentication stuff 20:40:54 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:15:23 *** gnu_jj has quit IRC 21:28:18 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:40:48 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:42:50 <andythenorth> ha ha 21:43:12 <andythenorth> I forgot that the original game had Pegasus, Chimera, Cyclops, Leviathan trains 21:43:28 <andythenorth> those are all names used at some point in Iron Horse 21:43:34 <andythenorth> oops 21:50:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 21:54:55 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 22:11:50 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:25:45 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 22:27:17 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 22:34:41 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 22:37:04 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 22:43:58 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:00:14 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC