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00:03:09 *** tokai has quit IRC 00:04:17 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 00:21:32 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 00:25:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JUfR0 00:30:00 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 00:43:50 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 02:02:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 02:05:32 *** debdog has joined #openttd 02:08:52 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 02:37:38 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:38:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 02:43:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 02:45:30 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 03:00:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 03:03:12 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:06:37 *** debdog has quit IRC 03:08:26 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 03:26:04 *** glx has quit IRC 03:39:28 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 03:41:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 04:01:43 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8285: Rewrite `OverflowSafeInt` to avoid undefined behaviour https://git.io/JJgcH 06:11:33 *** shedidthedog[m] has joined #openttd 06:12:44 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:34:55 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:45:15 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 08:25:15 *** b_jonas has quit IRC 08:27:59 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 08:52:29 <andythenorth> yo 08:59:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] valisak opened issue #8298: Feature requests https://git.io/JUfDp 09:01:15 <LordAro> lo andy 09:04:05 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #8298: Feature requests https://git.io/JUfDp 09:06:12 <LordAro> should probably close that 09:08:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] valisak commented on issue #8298: Feature requests https://git.io/JUfDp 09:10:21 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 09:10:24 <LordAro> https://docs.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/configuring-issue-templates-for-your-repository issue templates have changed a bit too - might be worth taking the opportunity to improve them a bit 09:23:58 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #8298: Feature requests https://git.io/JUfDp 09:23:58 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #8298: Feature requests https://git.io/JUfDp 09:24:14 <LordAro> i meant to spend some time on OTTD this weekend 09:24:22 <LordAro> then i got distracted by rewatching Band of Brothers 09:25:23 <Wolf01> Hmmm, train lenght in purchase list... isn't it already there? 09:26:02 <Wolf01> Oh, ok, purchase != depot 09:27:06 <andythenorth> oh that number :) 09:27:08 <andythenorth> the one that lies 09:27:22 <Wolf01> :D 09:28:06 <andythenorth> I can't remember the rounding error, or how to trigger it 09:28:13 <andythenorth> but my 10 year old noticed it also 09:45:44 *** Samu has joined #openttd 10:12:28 *** CornsMcGowan[m] has quit IRC 10:12:28 *** ciet[m] has quit IRC 10:12:28 *** tonyfinn[m] has quit IRC 10:12:28 *** menelaos[m] has quit IRC 10:12:29 *** natmac[m] has quit IRC 10:12:29 *** yur3shmukcik[m] has quit IRC 10:12:29 *** Aileen[m] has quit IRC 10:12:29 *** 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we were considering using fractions: 1/16, 1/8, 3/16, 1/4 etc. but it would be complicated to display, and maybe take too much space 11:30:02 *** Samu has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** Samu has joined #openttd 12:25:35 <Timberwolf> Story books should save and load their pages by themselves, right? (i.e. if I create a page and some elements in a story book by GS, I don't need to do anything in my GS to have OpenTTD correctly save and load them) 12:36:50 *** glx has joined #openttd 12:36:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 12:55:05 <_dp_> Timberwolf, yes, otherwise it wouldn't work in mp 14:04:51 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 14:05:04 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 14:08:56 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:09:08 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Making your trains not be too long? 14:12:36 <andythenorth> but why the weird decimals? o_O 14:32:04 <supermop_Home> basically because know it is 5.1 instead of 5.0 is the salient information? 14:34:04 <andythenorth> yes it's so useful 14:34:11 <andythenorth> I have 3 vehicles here 14:34:20 <andythenorth> they are all 0.4 if on separate lines of the depot 14:34:27 <andythenorth> if I combine two of them, they're 0.4 14:34:33 <andythenorth> if I put all 3 together, they are 1.0 14:34:37 <andythenorth> I fucking love this stuff :) 14:34:40 <andythenorth> great UI 14:34:51 <andythenorth> did we make it for April 1st as a troll? 14:35:04 * andythenorth asked for an option to hide it recently :P 14:35:20 <andythenorth> hmm, my rant is as usual inaccurate due to haste 14:35:21 <_dp_> it's not just ui, they can really change length when combined :p 14:35:27 <andythenorth> if I combine two of them, they're 0.7 14:35:30 <andythenorth> so 0.4 = 0.4 14:35:35 <andythenorth> 0.4 + 0.4 = 0.7 14:35:41 <andythenorth> 0.4 + 0.4 + 0.4 = 1.0 14:36:58 <_dp_> hm... are they 5/8? 14:37:08 <andythenorth> how would I know? 14:37:09 <andythenorth> oh 14:37:11 <andythenorth> de-compile the grf? 14:37:30 <_dp_> or check with debug vehicles I guess 14:37:31 <andythenorth> I can't be arsed to de-compile the grf 14:38:07 <andythenorth> newgrf inspector doesn't include length 14:38:15 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 14:39:27 <_dp_> yeah, only 5/8 behaves like that 14:39:57 <andythenorth> I am curious how 5/8 + 5/8 + 5/8 comes out at 16/8 14:40:09 <_dp_> though I agree that ui makes no sense whatsoever 14:40:26 <andythenorth> because it's wrong, it's junk 14:40:28 <_dp_> would be better with simple fractions or just smth like 7:8 14:40:36 <andythenorth> or 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 14:40:37 <andythenorth> etc 14:40:41 <_dp_> andythenorth, it doesn't 15/16 ~= 1 14:40:53 <andythenorth> why do I want to build a 3.7 tile long train? 14:41:00 <andythenorth> is it some kind of signal spacing optimisation? 14:41:07 <andythenorth> does it confer hidden pathfinding benefits? 14:41:21 <andythenorth> are there station grfs with 5.8 long tiles? 14:41:33 <andythenorth> can I make FIRS prefer 8.3 long trains? 14:41:44 <andythenorth> :o :o :o :O :o :o :o :O 14:41:57 <andythenorth> I COULD USE THE LENGTH TO SET THE LIVERY 14:42:03 <andythenorth> lifetime achievement unlocked 14:42:05 <_dp_> it's probably kill gameplay save realism kind of situation :P 14:42:38 <andythenorth> _dp_ good point, it is very important to make accurate scale length trains when simulating British Rail timetable 14th May 1987 14:43:04 <andythenorth> how many feet is 4.6 tiles? 14:43:29 * andythenorth should do other things and stop talking nonsense on the internet 14:48:59 <supermop_Home> is a bucket hat just a sailor hat with the brim flipped down? 14:49:11 <supermop_Home> i feel like my mind is blown here 14:49:26 <andythenorth> questions I never knew 14:50:22 <Timberwolf> andythenorth: According to tiles a train travels per day, around 1,900 miles. 14:50:35 <andythenorth> that is quite big 14:50:47 <andythenorth> I have a class 37 at 8/16 of a tile 14:50:58 <andythenorth> I figured 8/16 was 60-70 feet 14:51:19 <andythenorth> 413 miles is a lot more than 60-70 feet 14:51:30 <andythenorth> oh wait my maths is wrong 14:51:52 <andythenorth> yeah so 8/16 is 206 miles, that's ok 14:52:34 <Timberwolf> About the length of a Class 37, give or take. 14:52:46 <andythenorth> just a rounding error I think 14:53:11 <andythenorth> I await Eddi|zuHause to point out we've got it wrong 14:53:13 <andythenorth> but I'm convinced 14:54:17 <Timberwolf> I'm trying to think if there's a more broken scale you can infer from some game property or other. 14:56:51 <supermop_Home> it seems by hat lineage its more that the sailor hat is a bucket hat with the brim turned up than vis versa 14:59:40 <supermop_Home> irish farmer hat becomes fishermans hat, then dressy version becomes part of us navy uniform 14:59:57 <Eddi|zuHause> not entirely sure which part of that you'd want to be wrong... 15:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, before we introduced the weird rounding decimals, it used to count halftiles, which was... silly 15:01:10 <supermop_Home> seems like most other navies just wear the Russian style instead 15:01:16 <andythenorth> Timberwolf is the track gauge 8ft in original base set? 15:01:16 <_dp_> https://i.imgur.com/XGndwQU.png 15:03:35 <Eddi|zuHause> _dp_: now you need to scale that by daylength factor 15:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> _dp_: also, there's a thing where the ratio between a / tile and a – tile isn't sqrt(2), but 2 15:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> (the sqrt(2) is rounded to 1.5 in some cases as well) 15:17:36 <_dp_> Eddi|zuHause, I don't play daylength :p 15:17:55 <_dp_> Eddi|zuHause, also, which part of my image looks like sqrt(2) to you? :p 15:32:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it uses the rounded sqrt(2) 15:34:32 <_dp_> @calc 24 * 128 * 16 * 4 / 3 / 2 / 74 15:34:32 <DorpsGek> _dp_: 442.810810811 15:34:36 <_dp_> that's what it uses :p 15:35:00 <_dp_> @calc 24 * 192 * 16 * 4 / 3 / 2 / 74 15:35:00 <DorpsGek> _dp_: 664.216216216 15:35:19 <_dp_> that's in kmhish so a bit off 15:37:09 <_dp_> though whoever come up with 128 and 192 could be thinking of sqrt(2) I guess 15:37:27 <_dp_> that or he might have just been on crack :/ 15:41:48 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:52:58 <Timberwolf> andythenorth: In the original graphics the road markings are 3 pixels wide (give or take antialiasing). UK road markings are typically 20cm width so a tile of railway track is either 2.1m (/ and |) or 4.3m (-). 15:53:23 <andythenorth> I vote for 4.3m 15:53:38 <andythenorth> have you done the trigonometry to account for the viewing angle? 15:54:15 <Timberwolf> No, I hadn't. I spent most of my time trying to find something more out-of-scale than the road markings :) 15:59:05 <Timberwolf> I think 4.3m tiles are also commensurate with the distance a plane travels in real time (not game days) at default planespeed. 16:05:09 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> _dp_: it didn't mention crack in the "making of" section of the TTO manual. but i wouldn't rule it out :p 16:11:15 <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately i lost that manual 16:13:31 <andythenorth> I tend to assume crack 16:13:36 <andythenorth> for most explanations 16:13:41 <andythenorth> especially reading my own commits 16:20:52 <andythenorth> hurrah! 16:21:01 <andythenorth> Jake is now getting the FIRS feature requests :) 16:21:10 * andythenorth successful evasion of responsibility 16:21:29 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:21:33 <andythenorth> FIRS is now XIS 16:36:32 <frosch123> bug: grf names must be 4 letters 16:37:07 <D-HUND> heehee 16:57:59 <TrueBrain> hmm, seems Docker Hub wants to be made redundant, interesting .. 17:01:49 <TrueBrain> from first of November, you can only do 100 pulls per 6 hours (what a WEIRD way to note the amount of pulls allowed) 17:01:59 <TrueBrain> so that is .. 15 per hour? 17:02:12 <TrueBrain> so yeah, our CI reached that number pretty often :P 17:02:18 <TrueBrain> like ... 2 PRs per hour, and you are done 17:02:39 <TrueBrain> the rate limit is based on docker-id or IP .. well, good luck Azure DevOps, I hope you have many many many IPs in your pool :P 17:03:01 <TrueBrain> clearly, Docker, or who bought Docker, decided to finally make some money out of it .. 17:03:15 <TrueBrain> sadly, the only result will be people (finally?) moving to decent other registries :) 17:05:04 <TrueBrain> time to start using the GitHub Registry, I guess :) 17:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i've read a report from someone who uses google cloud stuff, and says google is retiring products so rapidly that he has no choice than to fall back to basic VMs 17:05:11 <frosch123> does the ci pull the complete image every time? or does it cache the old image and only compare the heads? 17:05:29 <TrueBrain> we get a new VM for every CI build 17:05:34 <TrueBrain> not sure if DevOps caches it internally 17:05:45 <TrueBrain> my best bet is: no, it does not 17:05:50 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:06:00 <SpComb> have they announced two such major changes now? 17:06:00 <TrueBrain> don't get me wrong, I can fully understand that the AWS bill for Docker Hub is insane, and that they want to reduce it 17:06:07 <TrueBrain> but this feels like they are just cashing in 17:06:19 <frosch123> and i was worried about cloning 1GB for the wiki data... :p 17:06:20 <TrueBrain> well, that is the other weird thing .. they first announced the retention, which is fine 17:06:26 <TrueBrain> and now a few weeks later, the pull limit 17:06:38 <SpComb> it's as if somebody finally took a look at the AWS spend for Docker hub and realized that it's actually costing them money 17:06:52 <frosch123> yeah, weird that they did not put it into one mail 17:06:52 <TrueBrain> I would reason more: they paid a lot of money for Docker, and now want to see a return 17:07:07 <TrueBrain> and of course many companies cannot migrate quickly, so they will be paying :) 17:07:19 <TrueBrain> but, honestly, it is only 5 euro a month 17:07:55 <TrueBrain> but now I am curious what their next announcement is going to be :P 17:08:14 <andythenorth> I do wonder about walled garden clouds 17:08:28 <andythenorth> and getting stuck :P 17:08:32 <TrueBrain> anyway, this pull limit -is- an issue for OpenTTD, and does need addressing :) 17:08:49 <TrueBrain> migrating to GitHub Actions (finally :P) would be wise, and using GitHub Registry would be the easy solution 17:08:54 * andythenorth choose a OS / phone ecosystem with 100% walled garden 17:08:59 <TrueBrain> GitHub Package Registry is free, but does require authentication 17:09:53 <SpComb> https://docs.docker.com/docker-hub/download-rate-limit/ this is linked to from the May release notes, taking full effect in november 17:10:48 <TrueBrain> they are now sending out the emails pointing out the policy change 17:11:10 <TrueBrain> this will also hurt many developers btw 17:12:08 <supermop_Home> why is jersey post a thing 17:12:17 <TrueBrain> who? 17:12:31 <supermop_Home> why don't they just use royal mail 17:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what? 17:13:13 <supermop_Home> just received a parcel sent via "Jersey Post" which i'd never heard of 17:13:39 <supermop_Home> this is really a question for anglosphere weirdos like andy i guess 17:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> is that regular jersey or new jersey? 17:13:48 <supermop_Home> old jersey 17:14:29 <supermop_Home> though no idea how this record managed to originate on some small island with no industry? 17:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i misunderstood it, but jersey isn't actually part of the "UK" but kind of separate "crown land"? 17:14:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it's kind of a tax haven 17:15:02 <andythenorth> supermop_Home is it Trystero? 17:15:02 <supermop_Home> but as a crown holding, wouldn't its mail still be royal? 17:15:35 <supermop_Home> andythenorth i have yet to open it but i expect it is the ladytron album i ordered 17:15:36 <Eddi|zuHause> might be a bit confusing if you have two separate royal mails :p 17:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, doesn't mean they only operate in jersey (that would likely be a very limited business model) 17:16:59 <supermop_Home> andythenorth it does have a trumpet / bugle symbol on the sticker 17:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> like, Deutsche Bahn doesn't only operate trains in germany 17:17:37 <supermop_Home> i didn't care for lot 49 much myself 17:19:00 <andythenorth> pynchon doesn't seem to like it 17:19:05 <andythenorth> I enjoyed most of it 17:19:31 <andythenorth> I really really liked Inherent Vice 17:19:37 <supermop_Home> somehow Pynchon never really grabbed me 17:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think this is still english words 17:19:52 <supermop_Home> i did watch I.V. on a plane once tho 17:20:40 <supermop_Home> never read the book, but the movie left me with an uneasy feeling - unsure if i liked it or hated it 17:20:46 <andythenorth> classic Pynchon 17:20:52 <andythenorth> I read Gravity's Rainbow in India, I had dysentry 17:20:58 <andythenorth> the combination was not ideal 17:21:13 <supermop_Home> and also with a deja vu of the feeling i had on finishing 49 17:37:56 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:46:14 *** b_jonas has joined #openttd 17:47:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:50:16 <supermop_Home> well Wikipedia on lot 49 -> The Phone Company -> The president's Analyst -> James Coburn 17:50:28 <supermop_Home> so this was a productive half hour 17:54:07 *** Samu has quit IRC 18:31:51 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 18:48:04 <andythenorth> is cat? 18:50:29 <Wolf01> Yes 18:51:50 <Wolf01> So, discovering lost railways, longboat adventures on english canals, high score on netflix? 18:53:46 <andythenorth> netflixwhack 19:53:03 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:23:08 *** nielsm has quit IRC 20:46:58 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:00:13 *** Smedles_ has quit IRC 21:00:29 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 21:09:42 <FLHerne> frosch123: Do you have a strong objection to me merging https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/150 21:09:45 <FLHerne> ? 21:10:22 <FLHerne> IMO it's clearly an improvement on the current behaviour, and the issue you pointed out isn't one that I can tell :p 21:11:17 <frosch123> go ahead 21:11:42 <FLHerne> In that case, can someone review it? ;-) 21:12:37 <FLHerne> (sorry for bringing it back up after weeks, I got sidetracked by other stuff) 21:27:29 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:28:42 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro approved pull request #150: Fix #147: rounding issues https://git.io/JUJ3p 21:39:08 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:00:23 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:08:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:26:52 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 23:56:13 *** tokai has joined #openttd 23:56:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai