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(from the ~50) 09:00:24 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 09:01:42 <TrueBrain> devs -> will be closed soon. translator -> eints -> hopefully that can be migrated soon. grfsearch -> requires me to write some javascript, accounts -> can be closed if eints is moved, media -> see "accounts", admin -> see "accounts", spam -> we need to find a new mail host, stats -> see "accounts", wiki -> still needs a resolution 09:01:45 <TrueBrain> so nearly there :D 09:02:19 <andythenorth> \o/ 09:02:25 * andythenorth encouragement as a web service 09:02:31 * andythenorth gratitude as a web service 09:02:49 <TrueBrain> the most things can be closed down if eints migrates, so that is good 09:02:56 <TrueBrain> like 50% of the things can be closed down :P 09:17:20 <TrueBrain> seems memory-wise eints and a wiki will not fit in the current cluster size .. but scaling up is easy :P 09:19:17 *** gretel[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:18 *** rudolfs[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:19 *** yoyo[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:20 *** shedidthedog[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:21 *** fjodor[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:22 *** cyberjunkie[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:23 *** natalie[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:24 *** leward[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:24 *** linda[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:25 *** olmvnec[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:26 *** blikjeham[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:27 *** ad5twoknebor[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:29 *** nolep[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:30 *** josef[m]1 has joined #openttd 09:19:30 *** christoph[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:31 *** karoline[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:33 *** hamstonkid[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:34 *** emeraldsnorlax[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:35 *** robert[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:36 *** elliot[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:37 *** udo[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:38 *** joey[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:39 *** natmac[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:40 *** jeremy[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:40 *** josef[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:41 *** julie[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:41 *** phil[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:42 *** dekeract[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:43 *** CornsMcGowan[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:44 *** ircer[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:45 *** yur3shmukcik[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:46 *** amal[m]1 has joined #openttd 09:19:47 *** grag[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:48 *** patricia[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:49 *** ciet[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:49 *** Heiki[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:50 *** philip[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:51 *** Aileen[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:52 *** pina[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:53 *** labs[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:54 *** menelaos[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:55 *** hylshols7qui[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:56 *** dave[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:57 *** twom[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:58 *** patrick[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:59 *** osvaldo[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:01 *** albert[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:01 *** freu[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:01 *** vanessa[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:03 *** dude[m]1 has joined #openttd 09:20:03 *** igor[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:05 *** pothyurf[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:05 *** einar[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:06 *** nartir[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:06 *** tonyfinn[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:07 *** magdalena[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:08 *** khavik[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:10 *** ookfof[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:11 *** glothit7ok[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:12 *** iarp[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:13 *** ist5shreawf[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:14 *** paulus[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:14 *** karl[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:15 *** yoltid[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:16 *** jact[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:17 *** BekJut[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:18 *** cawal[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:19 *** fiddeldibu[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:20 *** johanna[m] has joined #openttd 09:20:20 *** christoph[m]1 has joined #openttd 09:20:21 *** jeeg[m] has joined #openttd 09:22:18 *** DorpsGek_III has quit IRC 09:31:45 *** DorpsGek_III has joined #openttd 09:31:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JuanManzana opened issue #8310: when I logged in to 1M city mania the error window pops up... https://git.io/JU0EE 10:23:19 <TrueBrain> and I hit another AWS limit :D We have too many CloudFronts with Lambda@Edge attached 10:23:24 <TrueBrain> lets request a limit increase :) 12:10:33 *** Progman has quit IRC 12:24:07 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 13:01:47 <andythenorth> yes, let's hire security companies who post forum spam to advertise 13:01:54 <andythenorth> definitely not a malware scam 13:01:58 * andythenorth tt-forums 13:05:09 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:05:30 <supermop_Home_> andythenorth have you considered using forum spam to advertise your company? 13:05:39 <andythenorth> not recently 13:05:49 <andythenorth> I have been a forum spammer for flash games historically 13:05:57 <andythenorth> it doesn't work very well 13:20:05 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Do you get utterly ludicrous proposals from 'SEO' companies? 13:20:16 <andythenorth> probably 13:20:24 <andythenorth> I don't read my email much 13:20:35 <FLHerne> Every so often, we get a poorly-worded email from people who want to improve our online reputation 13:21:11 <FLHerne> They will do this by creating, with little input from us, many Wordpress websites containing links to each other and important SEO keywords, that say good things about our product 13:21:32 <FLHerne> Optionally they will spam online reviews 13:21:45 <FLHerne> Sometimes they even go to the effort of producing customized examples 13:21:53 <FLHerne> Which have to be seen to be believed 13:23:17 <FLHerne> "Applause was overwhelmingly loud :twisted:"? 13:23:51 <andythenorth> I was feeling froody 13:24:08 <FLHerne> I mean, it's a bugfix release with a couple of patches, you expect jubilation? 13:24:21 <FLHerne> That'll be when NML Stations comes out 13:25:22 <andythenorth> crickets for a newgrf release is fairly commong 13:25:24 <andythenorth> -g 13:25:44 <andythenorth> but NML only seems to attract griping 13:27:05 <FLHerne> Well, yeah 13:27:16 <FLHerne> No-one actually *wants* to write NML 13:27:22 <FLHerne> They want to make their grf work 13:27:46 <FLHerne> And NML is always in the way of that, because we don't have a working do_what_i_mean {} block 13:31:43 <andythenorth> I guess when I gripe about stuff, I expect to also be involved in fixing it :P 13:31:49 <andythenorth> maybe other people aren't me 13:39:41 *** Progman has joined #openttd 13:41:04 <Timberwolf> I think there's "gripe because I understand it and want it to be better", "gripe because I don't understand it and can't find the resources to help me", and "gripe because I want someone else to do it for me". 13:41:28 <Timberwolf> The first tends to be, "and I'm happy to get involved in fixing it" 13:43:32 <Timberwolf> People in the last category like pretending to be in the first :) 14:00:57 <andythenorth> I don't know why or how it happened 14:01:16 <andythenorth> but I got indoctrinated somewhere that 'complaining' is a synonym for 'volunteering' 14:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> more like "being volunteered" :p 14:15:45 <FLHerne> Timberwolf: The more of your pixels I see, the more stunned I am 14:16:49 <andythenorth> it is breakout 14:18:07 <FLHerne> It's like a whole new style of OTTD graphics, but unlike the other whole new styles it still fits reasonably with the various existing grfs 14:18:23 <FLHerne> Also, you've drawn all my favourite trains :D 14:18:57 <andythenorth> all newgrfs should only be UK trains 14:20:13 <FLHerne> But there are UK trams 14:31:11 <Timberwolf> Thanks :). I should find all the old screenshots of Road Vehicles and track how that style evolved (from the original too-tall RVs to the stations) 15:13:35 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:45:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:56:06 *** Progman has quit IRC 16:39:55 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:49:31 *** KJS has joined #openttd 16:49:48 <KJS> Not sure if anyone is here, or can help..... 16:51:57 <FLHerne> KJS: With? 16:52:06 <KJS> Somehow in OpenTTD 10.4 I have mixed up the cargo's and train vehicles. For example the livestock car only hauls building material, not livestock. I have uninstalled a few times, cleaned up the registry everything I can think of but the issue (and the installed GRF's) wont go away. How do I fix this? 16:54:39 <FLHerne> KJS: Have you edited the newgrfs during the game? 16:55:51 <FLHerne> Sometimes that sort of thing happens, which is why there's a bright red warning dialog 16:56:12 <FLHerne> (also, 10.4 isn't an OpenTTD version that exists yet) 16:56:18 <FLHerne> ` 16:56:31 <KJS> did not know I could. So guessing no. I have in the NEW GRF opening off the main menu ( where you install GRF's make senarios etc) added and deleted GRF's from the default. but I can not find where to delete GRF's from the computer/OpenTTD 16:56:55 <FLHerne> KJS: Can you upload the savegame somewhere? 16:57:19 <KJS> Sorry you are correct, it is version 1.10.3 16:57:57 <FLHerne> "NEW GRF opening off the main menu ( where you install GRF's make senarios etc) added and deleted GRF's from the default" <- that should be fine 16:58:02 <KJS> Yes, but the issue stays around even after deleting all of openttd and reinstalled and creating a new game 16:58:14 <FLHerne> Hm 16:58:29 <FLHerne> In that case, what set of grfs do you have enabled? 16:58:43 <FLHerne> It's possible they just don't work well together 16:59:17 <FLHerne> For example, more than one industry set (that aren't deliberately made to work together) can cause strange cargo effects 16:59:57 <FLHerne> "Building material" doesn't exist in the base game, so you definitely have at least one industry grf 17:00:29 <KJS> I think I dound a folder I did not delete... 17:00:58 <KJS> the openttd in documents. I was going after the openttd in appdata 17:01:04 <FLHerne> KJS: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/docs/directory_structure.md 17:01:31 <FLHerne> You should just be able to disable all newgrfs in the settings 17:01:40 <FLHerne> Deleting them shouldn't be necessary 17:01:55 <KJS> Did that but does not fix the problem..... 17:02:55 <FLHerne> KJS: So the list "Active NewGRF Files" is empty, and you clicked 'Apply' ? 17:03:20 <FLHerne> And when you start a *new* game, you still see Building Materials? 17:03:38 <FLHerne> That would be an unusual kind of bug 17:03:55 <Wormnest> KJS: Did you refit the vehicles to the correct cargo you wanted? 17:04:36 <KJS> refit as in the game when the train is in the depot. 17:05:02 <KJS> Tried but the option to livestock was not there for the livestock car 17:08:10 <KJS> trying a last reinstall 17:14:45 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:17:18 <KJS> Looks like deleting the files in the \users\uid\documents\openttd did the trick 17:17:35 <andythenorth> seems a bizarre bug 17:17:47 <andythenorth> doesn't fit the normal model of how the game works 17:21:04 <KJS> trust me to manage to find the odd bugs. Actually quite good at it :) 17:23:37 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:24:13 *** KJS has quit IRC 17:25:24 *** tokai has joined #openttd 17:25:25 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 17:32:33 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 17:49:16 <TrueBrain> frosch123: https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/454c07fe4cb36a67340b7cc6fc2f496d <- I think I converted it correctly :P Awaiting AWS limit extensions to try it out :D 17:49:25 <TrueBrain> (I hit a silly limit in our deployment :P) 17:55:57 <frosch123> looks plausible. no idea whether 301 is the right code, or whether it should be 303 17:58:19 <TrueBrain> hmm, 303 has some odities 17:58:22 <TrueBrain> a 307 would be possible too 17:58:42 <TrueBrain> in general, don't use 302 and 303 .. use 301 or 307 :P 18:01:05 <frosch123> 302 is deprecated. eints and bananas1.5 use 303 18:01:50 <TrueBrain> 303 for APIs is fine, if you mean: I handled your request, now look here :) 18:01:58 <TrueBrain> for a redirect is is a bit unusual :) 18:02:24 <TrueBrain> (also has to do what is being cached and how etc) 18:04:32 <TrueBrain> where does BaNaNaS1.5 use 303 btw? 18:04:36 <TrueBrain> I thought it only did 302s? 18:04:46 <TrueBrain> (because .. flask) 18:05:37 <frosch123> i think 302 is magic for "use 302 for http1.0 and 303 for http 1.1" 18:05:42 <frosch123> but maybe that was bottle only 18:05:57 <TrueBrain> 302 is a fucked up response code, and people should just use 307 :) 18:06:06 <TrueBrain> 302/307 is: still use the same method on this URL, including the body you used 18:06:11 <TrueBrain> 303 is: use GET on this URL 18:07:01 <TrueBrain> so you can only use 303 if you know what you are doing, basically :D 18:07:11 <frosch123> yes, and GET is the intention. "go login to github", not "post the grfeditrequest to github" 18:07:43 <frosch123> grfsearch.js also transforms the params, so 307 is weird 18:09:08 <TrueBrain> that is why it is a 301 :) 18:09:16 <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS login does a 302 btw 18:09:24 <TrueBrain> which arguably is wrong .. but 302 is very weird 18:09:28 <TrueBrain> most browsers "do the right thing" 18:09:39 <TrueBrain> it is one of the least explicit HTTP status codes out there :) 18:09:42 <TrueBrain> we should ban 302 :P 18:10:10 <TrueBrain> curl -v -X POST https://bananas.openttd.org/login -d 'github' return a 302 with the github URL in Location header 18:12:29 <TrueBrain> guess "more correct" would be if we change that in a 303 :) 18:15:49 <frosch123> i think there is a central redirect() method in helpers.py 18:15:54 <frosch123> so, easy to change for everytrhing 18:16:05 <TrueBrain> go for it :D Make sure to test it first ;) 18:16:09 <frosch123> or api.py? can'T remember 18:16:13 <TrueBrain> who knows what browsers do .... 18:18:47 <TrueBrain> it seems likely CloudFront is not caching 303s 18:19:14 <TrueBrain> so for the grfsearch it might be a bit unwanted 18:19:27 <TrueBrain> although, not caching .. it doesn't really matter with the amount of traffic :P 18:21:42 <TrueBrain> (not relevant for BaNaNaS, as it is not behind CloudFront :D) 18:28:08 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:38:45 <LordAro> https://http.cat/302 18:43:31 <TrueBrain> <3 18:44:09 <frosch123> who is the guy at 451? 18:45:05 <TrueBrain> at least they have https://http.cat/418 19:01:35 <LordAro> frosch123: presumably the guy that wrote Farenheit 451 19:02:57 <frosch123> yeah, looks similar 19:06:37 <frosch123> i was wondering whether it was a james bond villain. never would have guessed the author 19:25:24 *** y2kboy23 has quit IRC 19:26:41 *** y2kboy23 has joined #openttd 20:28:03 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 20:28:47 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 20:53:21 *** Progman has joined #openttd 21:00:30 <TrueBrain> awh, my grfsearch javascript seems to fail .. what did I do wrong ... 21:00:56 <TrueBrain> searchgrfid doesn't seem to work 21:08:11 *** Smedles has quit IRC 21:09:19 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 21:24:39 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:25:38 <TrueBrain> okay, there we go .. now lets validate the 1600+ unique requests done last 90 days, old vs new, see what it says :) 21:27:42 <TrueBrain> URL encoding differs .. interesting :P 21:57:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:16:10 *** GT has joined #openttd 22:17:41 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:51:21 *** nielsm has quit IRC 23:07:57 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:32:08 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 23:32:25 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 20