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now known as Guest3808 09:39:18 <andythenorth> yo 09:56:08 <LordAro> o/ 11:28:13 *** tokai has joined #openttd 11:28:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 11:35:06 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 11:55:33 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 12:04:39 *** Lejving has joined #openttd 12:31:57 *** glx has joined #openttd 12:31:57 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 13:12:44 *** supermop_Home_ has joined #openttd 13:58:12 *** Progman has quit IRC 14:01:00 <andythenorth> hmm 14:04:05 <andythenorth> station ratings 14:05:09 <andythenorth> FIRS used to adjust those 14:05:14 <andythenorth> then I removed it as out-of-scope 14:05:19 <andythenorth> but they are mad 14:05:22 <andythenorth> 10% for statue 14:05:47 <longtomjr_> should be at least 25% /s 14:06:05 <andythenorth> :P 14:06:11 * andythenorth biab 14:06:12 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:08:48 <Timberwolf> Heh. The "if my pile of coal isn't picked up by a brand new train capable of 100mph I'm not going to be happy" was always the one that got me. 14:09:22 <longtomjr_> Ratings makes more sense from a pax perspective 14:10:15 <longtomjr_> JGR added some features to his pack where waiting times were more tolerant the bigger the station is (and the station capacity goes up) 14:10:28 <longtomjr_> Another one that makes bulk cargo happier to stand around 14:14:20 <Timberwolf> Shame you can't get at the station variables from a custom rating callback, would allow for making some eyecandy tiles like parcels offices and waiting rooms actually useful. 14:14:53 <Timberwolf> Didn't the Sid Meier games have some element of building things like station hotels? (I only played RRT2, and that was a long time ago) 14:15:07 <longtomjr_> Ah, like tile with benches vs a tile without will have better station rating results or something? 14:15:20 <longtomjr_> and dedicated waiting room tiles 14:15:39 <Timberwolf> That sort of thing, yeah - I guess you'd also need to mess about with maintenance costs to balance them. 14:18:30 <longtomjr_> Is it currently possible to change the maintenance cost for different station tiles? 14:18:43 <Timberwolf> Don't think so. although I've not looked in depth,. 14:34:39 *** rptr_ has joined #openttd 14:52:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:17:01 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:23:50 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 15:34:04 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:06:46 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 16:40:59 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 16:40:59 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 16:47:41 *** tokai has quit IRC 17:00:11 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:00:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:51:10 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/Template:Emoticon <- most important template 17:57:51 <LordAro> exceptionally 18:16:44 <TrueBrain> MONKEY! 18:16:47 <TrueBrain> I love monkey! 18:38:34 <frosch123> the M word! on our wiki... 18:40:20 <TrueBrain> r'(\d+)?.(\d+)?(e\d+)?|(\d+)e\d+' 18:41:29 *** longtomjr_ has quit IRC 18:42:41 <frosch123> looks like you are working on pyphp 18:42:57 <frosch123> is that the regex for empty() ? 18:43:12 <SpComb> Toyland! 18:43:55 <rptr_> pyphp? o_o 18:48:16 <TrueBrain> frosch123: haha :) 18:48:24 <TrueBrain> well, there is a bug in that regex: 18:48:24 <TrueBrain> r'[+-]?\d*[.]\d*(e[+-]\d+)?|\d+e[+-]?\d+' 18:48:25 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:48:29 <TrueBrain> and it just picks up floats :) 18:49:16 <frosch123> i would have added [Ee] for the case-sensitivity 18:50:18 <frosch123> ah, you are one of the [.] people 18:50:25 <TrueBrain> I am normally not 18:50:31 <TrueBrain> but I googled what a "float regex" is 18:50:37 <TrueBrain> and they suggested (strongly) to use [.] over . 18:50:49 <TrueBrain> so .. I was like .. yeah, that works too :P 18:50:53 <frosch123> yes :p but there is \. 18:51:11 <TrueBrain> I never knew [.] also worked :) 18:51:15 <TrueBrain> I mostly do [.] :P 18:51:26 <TrueBrain> hmm .. think my client ate a \ 18:51:27 <TrueBrain> what-ever :P 18:51:37 <TrueBrain> I have been trying to write \ . 18:51:40 <TrueBrain> as a FYI :) 18:51:43 <TrueBrain> (in both cases :P) 18:51:58 <TrueBrain> I was not confusing [.] for . (without slash :P) 18:52:03 <TrueBrain> there is a real difference there :D 18:57:19 <frosch123> i think i had to use [.] on solaris, since \. did not work 18:58:22 <TrueBrain> Warning: Interpreted as (ceil 1)/3, not ceil(1/3), as you might expect 18:58:28 <TrueBrain> I love if the specs already say: WHAT THE FUCK 18:58:34 <TrueBrain> "ceil" is an unary operator 18:59:05 <frosch123> haha :) 19:00:28 <frosch123> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_text <- some iec norm describes that language. it assignes the same operator priority to + - * / 19:01:09 <frosch123> most interpreters are not standard-compliant on that detail 19:03:35 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Template:Navtabs&action=edit <- TrueBrain: can you parse that? 19:03:41 <frosch123> i can't :p 19:04:27 <TrueBrain> I love the Navtabs vs Navtab 19:04:35 <TrueBrain> but it at least linted through my renderer, I remember 19:04:48 <TrueBrain> so there is nothing syntax-wise wrong with it, I think 19:04:50 <TrueBrain> why? 19:06:16 <frosch123> it's the only one with templates inside #functions 19:07:07 <TrueBrain> the renderer first resolves all templates, before it starts to do logic 19:07:16 <TrueBrain> which works surprisingly well :P 19:10:18 <TrueBrain> hmm .. docs say "1/2 round 0" should be 1 19:10:30 <TrueBrain> Python says round(0.5, 0) is 0 19:10:31 <TrueBrain> :( 19:10:50 <TrueBrain> 0.5<anything> is 1 19:11:09 <TrueBrain> in Python2 it was 1, 0.5 19:11:10 <TrueBrain> lol 19:11:40 <TrueBrain> Python 3's way (called "round half to even" or "banker's rounding") is considered the standard rounding method these days, though some language implementations aren't on the bus yet. 19:11:43 <TrueBrain> I love stack overflow 19:12:16 <TrueBrain> should I "fix" that or just accept it ... 19:12:24 <TrueBrain> unlikely anyone ever runs into this, I guess 19:12:49 <TrueBrain> it also has "-0" .. I also not going to do that :P 19:13:34 <frosch123> never heard of banker's rounding... but i guess it's fair 19:15:55 <TrueBrain> it was also new to me :) 19:15:59 *** rptr_ has quit IRC 19:15:59 <TrueBrain> TIL! 19:19:13 <TrueBrain> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##expr <- on the right, that table .. "binary operator e" .. any idea what they mean? 19:22:05 <frosch123> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Calculation 19:22:20 <frosch123> it's the same as in the float 19:23:13 <frosch123> but you can use it as operator :p 1e1e1 = 100 19:23:25 <frosch123> but you can use it as operator :p 1e(5-3) = 100 19:23:37 <andythenorth> hmm 19:23:52 * andythenorth considers splitting ferrous and non-ferrous scrap 19:24:04 <TrueBrain> ...... owh boy 19:24:09 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i am blacklisting several french templates, which i'll just trash. maybe you should apply similar rules to certain expresions :) 19:24:23 <TrueBrain> I was considering just not implementing 'e' as operator 19:24:27 <TrueBrain> would anyone hate me for that? 19:24:47 <TrueBrain> just not implement, see how long it takes for anyone to notice :D 19:24:58 <frosch123> pretty sure anyone who understands what "e" is, would not use it that way :p 19:27:37 <frosch123> andythenorth: non-ferrious scrap can be either "valuables" or "toxic trash" 19:27:46 <TrueBrain> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Calculation <- it is documented.. I just failed to find that page :P 19:27:53 <andythenorth> ha 19:27:59 <andythenorth> 'alleged recyclables' 19:28:01 <frosch123> TrueBrain: he, i linked that :p 19:28:07 <TrueBrain> sorry 19:28:18 <TrueBrain> totally missed that 19:28:20 <frosch123> did you think i knew that :p 19:28:57 <TrueBrain> yes ..... 19:29:07 <frosch123> i don't mind that you missed it. but it's hillarious that you think i would knew that :) 19:29:10 <TrueBrain> okay, I am not going to track the type (int vs float) 19:29:22 <TrueBrain> I just let Python convert it when-ever, and make "1.0" -> "1" in the result 19:29:47 <TrueBrain> well, I don't know everything (SHOCKER), and I always hope others complement me where I do not :P 19:30:17 <TrueBrain> hihi, I made spaces optional: "truncabs-2.2" is valid 19:30:21 <TrueBrain> it isn't in mediawiki 19:30:32 <TrueBrain> let me fix it so I don't do anything this silly :P 19:30:47 <andythenorth> oof I need some cargo to dump into a bulk terminal industry 19:30:51 <andythenorth> from a mine or something 19:31:03 <frosch123> marble 19:31:07 <andythenorth> it's just a production booster 19:31:07 <andythenorth> ooh 19:31:10 <andythenorth> marble is lolz 19:31:12 <andythenorth> or granite 19:31:28 <andythenorth> sodium sulfate is the logical choice, I already have the mine 19:31:31 <andythenorth> but it's boring 19:31:46 <andythenorth> I wanted to use non-ferrous scrap, but graphviz makes an ugly chart 19:32:02 <andythenorth> the design of FIRS is mostly dictated by graphviz dot algorithm 19:34:01 <andythenorth> feldspar? 19:34:03 <andythenorth> what even is? 19:35:35 <frosch123> it's the left-over material from mining 19:36:18 <frosch123> so, not exactly stuff you would export 19:38:03 <TrueBrain> argh, I want Python 3.9 .. I need dict | dict :P 19:38:10 <andythenorth> so modern 19:38:10 <frosch123> ok, people use it as filler material in all kinds of stuff 19:38:23 <andythenorth> frosch123 mostly exported from Italy IRL or something 19:38:50 <frosch123> andythenorth: but it's a german-derived term... 19:39:00 <andythenorth> I should include it 19:39:09 <andythenorth> then do a feldspar feldbahn 19:40:07 <TrueBrain> 200 lines of code to implement the calculator of mediawiki .. surprisingly more than I expected .. even more as most is just boilerplate shit bla 19:40:27 <TrueBrain> but yacc is nice :) 19:46:02 <andythenorth> hmm 19:46:36 <TrueBrain> -<span style="width:22.388059701493%;height:2px;background:#7fff00;float:left"> 19:46:37 <TrueBrain> +<span style="width:22.388059701492537%;height:2px;background:#7fff00;float:left"> 19:46:40 <TrueBrain> okay, that is funny :) 19:47:31 <LordAro> ha 19:49:30 <TrueBrain> one of the more difficult things to do, is when to insert a <br> 19:49:35 <TrueBrain> but I have been wondering if we should insert them at all 19:49:45 <TrueBrain> it is rarely an improvement for the layout 19:49:53 <glx> so much precision in the width calculation 19:49:54 <andythenorth> is it html5? 19:50:02 <TrueBrain> it is 19:50:04 <andythenorth> <br> has been given semantics in html5 19:50:09 <andythenorth> I can no longer abuse it :( 19:50:20 <andythenorth> I used to use it endlessly for vertical spacing 19:50:21 <TrueBrain> I ..... have no clue how to process this piece of information 19:50:44 <andythenorth> using lolz 19:51:20 <TrueBrain> the thing with "\n\n\n\n" adding <br>s in the end result, it only makes it look good for certain browser widths 19:51:30 <TrueBrain> hmm 19:51:36 <TrueBrain> my client eats <br > .. 19:52:01 <TrueBrain> owh, it doesn't, it just shows me like it does 19:52:02 <TrueBrain> what-ever :P 19:52:21 <TrueBrain> I only see the <br> stuff being used when people want that something starts below an image that is floating or what-ever 19:52:33 <TrueBrain> it is a bad habit ... so lets see what happens if we do not generate it :D 19:53:33 <TrueBrain> seemly my {{#expr: }} support seems to work ... not sure how to express how shocked I am :P 19:54:10 <TrueBrain> -<span style="color:red"> 19:54:11 <TrueBrain> +<span style="color:green"> 19:54:18 <TrueBrain> I guess not all calculations go as expected :) 20:07:31 <TrueBrain> okay, some form of lists in tables still fails; but that is not for today :D 20:08:51 *** rptr_ has joined #openttd 20:09:26 <TrueBrain> that moment you parse some crappy input better than mediawiki :D \o/ :D 20:11:31 <frosch123> apply at wikimedia: for only 10% of their yearly donations, you port their site to python 20:11:49 <TrueBrain> :D That would be a very good deal :P 20:11:57 <TrueBrain> and I would reduce their hardware requirement with ... a HUGE factor 20:14:03 <TrueBrain> about 2/3rd of the pages are now (near) identical .. with (near) I mean, minus the bugs and other odd things I simply do not agree with :) 20:14:21 <TrueBrain> and most part seems to be the same bug .. something with tables and lists :) 20:15:48 <TrueBrain> I cannot believe how easy it was to build my own "parser" for their math stuff :D 20:16:08 <TrueBrain> does mean the whole library is now 1200 LOC 20:18:19 <TrueBrain> <div style="float:{{{float}}}"> 20:18:25 <TrueBrain> guess the idea was to do {{{float}}} 20:21:00 <TrueBrain> btw frosch123 , I have been thinking about the editing part .. I am very tempted to make 2 containers: one that is used for viewing, stateless, and gets updated by a GitHub Actions like with BaNaNaS 20:21:12 <TrueBrain> the other container for editing, stateful, like bananas-api 20:21:29 <TrueBrain> after editing, like 5 minutes later, it pushes everything to GitHub 20:21:40 <TrueBrain> means when you are editing, you have live view of everything, but everything is a bit slower 20:21:51 <TrueBrain> and after ~5 minutes, your changes appear live for the rest of the world to see 20:22:08 <TrueBrain> means I can scale the "view" part easier 20:22:18 <TrueBrain> as the "edit" part cannot scale 20:22:32 <TrueBrain> also means the view will be like wiki.openttd.org, and the edit like ... preview.wiki.openttd.org ? :) 20:23:45 <frosch123> sounds like people would link to preview.wiki.openttd.org 20:23:53 <TrueBrain> we have done all this before, so it is mostly a copy/paste from bananas :) 20:24:08 <TrueBrain> hmm, fair point .. so it will be api.wiki.openttd.org 20:24:26 <TrueBrain> and the HTML pages can be on wiki.openttd.org, but it doesn't track anything static 20:24:30 <TrueBrain> static = stateful 20:24:40 <TrueBrain> so the POST are done to api.wiki.openttd.org, basically 20:25:11 <frosch123> anyway, preview is good. i liked the gollum way where you can switch tabs, and some js sends the edit content to the server for rendering 20:25:24 <TrueBrain> yeah, that for sure! 20:25:32 <TrueBrain> it will have a bit of Javascript :D 20:25:50 <TrueBrain> my only "issue" is that between Save and publishing there is a bit of time 20:25:57 <TrueBrain> will have to see how to deal with that in a proper way 20:26:10 <TrueBrain> but I like being able to scale the wiki in a proper way :D Would make a lot of things easier :D 20:26:49 <frosch123> i wonder whether we can store in a cookie which pages the user just edited, and fetch those from the edit server, and the rest from static 20:27:09 <TrueBrain> or if you are logged in, that it loads it from the edit server 20:27:28 <frosch123> something like that, yes 20:27:51 <TrueBrain> on the other hand, we can add to the edit server a big banner: THIS IS THE PREVIEW VERSION, CLICK HERE FOR THE LIVE VERSION 20:27:57 <TrueBrain> that might ... avoid people linking there 20:28:20 <TrueBrain> but I agree humans are likely to not act that way :D 20:28:23 <frosch123> i think js can write whatever it likes into the urlbar 20:28:40 <frosch123> so we can show the real url while editing 20:29:03 <TrueBrain> well, something to fiddle with at least :) 20:29:08 <TrueBrain> but first I am going to build the view part 20:29:11 <TrueBrain> after that, the edit part :) 20:30:40 <TrueBrain> still running, but: 20:30:40 <TrueBrain> OKAY: 1202 20:30:40 <TrueBrain> DIFF: 790 20:30:45 <TrueBrain> are the stats so far :) 20:31:23 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:34:38 <TrueBrain> can't believe how many edge-cases I found for wikitextparser library to improve :D I wonder what other users have been parsing .. 20:34:41 <TrueBrain> clearly not user-content :D 20:43:45 *** nielsm has quit IRC 20:48:10 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:57:01 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:02:21 <TrueBrain> we really do have too many wiki pages .. 21:02:26 <TrueBrain> 4k and counting ... 21:04:04 <frosch123> it's less than 800 english pages after migration, when excluding "archive" 21:04:31 <frosch123> and 230 of that are vehicle/industry/cargo pages of the baseset 21:05:05 <TrueBrain> nice :D 21:05:39 <frosch123> but yes, the wiki becomes a lot easier to grasp after the reductions 21:05:55 <frosch123> there are some similar pages, that could be merged, and were just "lost" before 21:05:55 <TrueBrain> I am now checking files outside of latin-1 :P 21:07:31 <TrueBrain> how do I stream a tablet to my PC (the screen) ? 21:09:21 <TrueBrain> turns out that without WiFi the "Connect" app doesn't work :P 21:09:30 <TrueBrain> and .. my PC doesn't have WiFi .. I mean ... why would it 21:13:39 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:15:11 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 21:15:22 <TrueBrain> okay, it now started to run Templates stand-alone .. that didn't really go well :P 21:20:07 <TrueBrain> well, more tomorrow! 21:26:12 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:49:08 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:54:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:27:26 *** tokai has joined #openttd 22:27:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 22:34:24 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 22:46:19 *** rptr_ has quit IRC 23:04:43 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:17:53 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 23:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i think forum caught a case of spambot