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00:37:12 *** Progman has quit IRC 00:38:25 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 00:39:57 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 00:41:05 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 00:41:23 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 01:11:59 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:25:52 *** Deep3D has quit IRC 02:03:21 *** APTX_ has quit IRC 02:03:26 *** APTX has joined #openttd 02:49:47 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] Henry03 opened issue #65: [id_ID] Translator access request https://git.io/JToP6 03:36:29 *** glx has quit IRC 03:43:26 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 03:48:14 <dwfreed> LordAro: next time frosch123 is around, let them know I fixed it :) (and thanks for the hilight) 04:00:38 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 04:04:04 *** debdog has quit IRC 06:21:46 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 06:55:49 *** nielsm has quit IRC 07:02:27 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:03:16 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 07:09:49 *** tokai has joined #openttd 07:09:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 07:14:56 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 07:15:09 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 07:16:40 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 07:16:46 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 07:16:53 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 07:19:15 *** longtomjr_ has joined #openttd 07:40:04 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 08:45:23 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 08:55:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:10:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:15:16 *** Progman has joined #openttd 09:27:16 <TrueBrain> https://pypi.org/project/wikitexthtml/ <- it is official 09:33:35 <LordAro> \o/ 09:34:10 <LordAro> you've clearly had a productive weekend 09:34:45 <TrueBrain> weekend? This was 10 days :P 09:36:49 <TrueBrain> well, tbh, most of that time was understanding what the fuck a user had tried to do on the wiki :P 09:37:20 <TrueBrain> and, now also: 09:37:21 <TrueBrain> https://github.com/TrueBrain/TrueWiki#why-yet-another-wiki-server 09:37:23 <TrueBrain> :D 09:39:41 <TrueBrain> for those who want to try, I would strongly suggest using https://github.com/TrueBrain/wikitextparser for now, over the PyPi version 09:40:54 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:43:12 <TrueBrain> welcome andythenorth 09:43:15 <TrueBrain> you are late 09:43:22 <TrueBrain> just mentioning :) 09:45:17 <TrueBrain> I have to decouple TrueWiki from OpenTTD content etc, but that is all for "sometime later" .. first getting it to work :D 09:53:55 <TrueBrain> 2700 LoC is wikitexthtml now, lol .. that grew fast :P ply tends to do that for you :D 09:54:31 <TrueBrain> it is 1300 LoC :D 10:43:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] JustAdreamerFL opened issue #66: [sk_SK] Translator access request https://git.io/JTKCD 10:53:02 <andythenorth> yo 11:02:50 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 11:43:21 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 11:43:35 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 12:04:18 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 13:00:38 *** supermop_Home_ has joined #openttd 13:02:15 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 14:12:49 *** glx has joined #openttd 14:12:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 14:36:06 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:45:18 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:02:35 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 16:03:44 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:06:08 *** heffer has quit IRC 16:06:21 *** heffer has joined #openttd 16:19:49 *** frosch12 has joined #openttd 16:25:10 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 16:26:15 *** frosch12 has quit IRC 16:28:01 *** frosch12 has joined #openttd 16:29:07 *** frosch12 is now known as frosch123 16:30:37 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:30:47 <frosch123> dwfreed: thanks :) 16:40:55 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] lowdown2infinity opened issue #67: [de_DE] Translator access request https://git.io/JT6Ug 17:08:53 <TrueBrain> Our group of minions is growing!! 17:13:50 <longtomjr_> What do you use for the localization? 17:14:33 <longtomjr_> nvmd, found it 17:16:04 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #65: [id_ID] Translator access request https://git.io/JToP6 17:16:23 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #66: [sk_SK] Translator access request https://git.io/JTKCD 17:16:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #67: [de_DE] Translator access request https://git.io/JT6Ug 17:47:53 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 17:51:25 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:52:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JT6mS 17:52:07 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 18:12:14 <frosch123> TrueBrain: migrated <gallery> :) 18:12:31 <frosch123> also, nice essay on truewiki :) 18:12:34 <Wolf01> "this one sparks joy" 18:13:19 <frosch123> i do no longer develop software for high voltage stuff, i do no longer spark 18:14:08 <Wolf01> I spark hate, even if I'm not connected to a power source 18:14:38 <frosch123> too much php? too much ruby? both? 18:15:01 <Wolf01> Maybe is the lack of those 18:18:20 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 18:37:19 <TrueBrain> frosch123: nice :D 18:37:50 <TrueBrain> guess the next thing I should be doing is making the editing available 18:38:06 <TrueBrain> it sounds really easy to add, so I am curious what I am not seeing :P 18:40:20 <TrueBrain> well, something for tomorrow or so to try; now first lets see how galleries look :) 18:41:41 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 18:47:32 <TrueBrain> https://6892d2464c2b.eu.ngrok.io/en/Manual/Cargo 18:47:33 <TrueBrain> PICTURES 18:47:34 <TrueBrain> \o/ 18:47:49 <TrueBrain> it is missing CSS, but that is not the point :) 18:50:00 <andythenorth> css is never a primary concern 18:50:01 <frosch123> firs charts are prettier 18:50:29 <andythenorth> dunno, I think the colours are nicer here 18:50:38 <andythenorth> I like the gel shading effect as well 18:50:48 <frosch123> haha, that's the part i dislike :) 18:50:52 <longtomjr_> https://6892d2464c2b.eu.ngrok.io/File:en/Temperate%20-%20Flow.png 18:51:19 <andythenorth> oh wow a new term https://6892d2464c2b.eu.ngrok.io/en/Manual/Cargo%20agent 18:51:29 <andythenorth> everyday is a schoolday with OpenTTD 18:51:44 <longtomjr_> Also, nice the language switching works 18:51:52 <andythenorth> I should find out about these Agents 18:51:53 <longtomjr_> there is some clipping on the russian page 18:52:07 <frosch123> andythenorth: that page and 3 similar ones remained on the "where to put this"-list until the very end :p 18:53:23 <longtomjr_> " Server got itself in trouble " Love that 500 message 18:53:25 <LordAro> shouldn't it be en/File:foo, rather than File:en/foo ? 18:53:27 <longtomjr_> using that from now on 18:53:52 <frosch123> LordAro: no :) it's one wiki, not multiple wikis 18:54:07 <LordAro> if you say so 18:54:23 <frosch123> we had the same discussion with categories yesterday 18:54:34 <TrueBrain> LordAro: frosch123 says it is Category/Language/<subpage> 18:54:36 <TrueBrain> shrug 18:54:52 <TrueBrain> pretty sure it doesn't matter in the end :) 18:55:30 <TrueBrain> it will be File/en/foo btw, without the : 18:55:34 <TrueBrain> but .. File isn't done yet :D 18:55:40 <longtomjr_> assumed that 18:56:26 <TrueBrain> LordAro: this order makes most sense on disk btw; no category -> Page, and off you go :) 18:57:27 <frosch123> it's also how you link them in the wiki source: [[File:en/image.png]] 19:00:03 <frosch123> TrueBrain: the "view history" will just link to https://github.com/frosch123/gollum-test-data/commits/master/Page/en/Community/Corners.mediawiki right? 19:01:04 <TrueBrain> in v1, yes 19:01:10 <TrueBrain> just because it is quicker to implement 19:01:19 <TrueBrain> it is, however, not userfriendly :P 19:01:30 <longtomjr_> Will github be the backing data source? 19:01:46 <frosch123> yes, and also the massedit interface :) 19:01:58 <longtomjr_> That makes life a lot easier 19:02:29 <longtomjr_> Will there still be editing on the wiki? 19:02:42 <longtomjr_> and then a bot that commits it to gh? 19:02:52 <frosch123> longtomjr_: look at how bananas works 19:02:52 <TrueBrain> yes, but mainly as I was not allowed to only allow that via GitHub :P 19:03:15 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I think someone just invented the terminology and decided to write it down on the wiki :p 19:03:28 <FLHerne> Like the bloody junctions 19:03:52 <longtomjr_> frosch123, which part of bananas? 19:03:57 <frosch123> FLHerne: but the deadlock-free-ness of the junctions was proven with the petri-net-proving software of the page author 19:03:58 <FLHerne> About half the content is just random ideas that Joe Blogg had on a Sunday afternoon 19:04:14 <longtomjr_> ah librarian 19:04:54 <frosch123> he likes bananas 19:05:00 <longtomjr_> That looks pretty nice :) 19:05:15 <TrueBrain> it pretty much solved a huge bus-factor 19:05:16 <longtomjr_> because he is an orangutang 19:05:24 <longtomjr_> (or however you spell that) 19:05:39 <TrueBrain> we banned the language nazis long ago in this channel, no worries 19:06:16 <longtomjr_> Hehe 19:06:41 <longtomjr_> Btw, really cool what you got done with the wiki in such a small amount of time 19:07:43 <longtomjr_> also, does git add more history features than something like mediawiki, or less? 19:08:43 <frosch123> both :) 19:09:15 <frosch123> mediawiki has history per page. but no correlation between pages 19:10:02 <longtomjr_> To late in the evening for me to try and figure out what that ends up meaning in practice. 19:10:20 <frosch123> that also carries over to reverting and deleting things 19:11:11 <frosch123> so on mediawiki you can mess with the history of a single file, without the rest noticing 19:11:33 <frosch123> but similar, if you do mass-edits, like replace words on multiple pages, those changes are independent 19:12:04 <longtomjr_> I mean you can still do that with git if you just end up going through the truewiki editor, so it only shows the file spesific history? 19:14:35 <frosch123> yeah, but if you want to remove vandalism from a page by rewriting history, you affect the revision hashes of the whole repository, so of all pages 19:15:12 <longtomjr_> This is crazy, there is so much less code than what I expected. 19:16:37 <TrueBrain> now check the PHP version :P 19:16:54 <longtomjr_> frosch123, mmmm yep. A PR based workflow is probably too much for wiki editing 19:16:58 <TrueBrain> (referring to the mediawiki code :P) 19:17:03 <frosch123> right, did someone compare the loc of wikitextparser+wikihtml with the php rendered linked from that rust-rant? 19:17:32 <frosch123> longtomjr_: esp. without previews :p 19:18:14 <TrueBrain> wikitextparser: 3k, wikitexthtml: 3k (including ply), truewiki: 300 19:18:17 <TrueBrain> so < 10k 19:18:36 <TrueBrain> mediawiki is not far off there 19:18:47 <TrueBrain> so it is pretty comparible tbh, in LoC terms 19:18:47 <longtomjr_> TrueBrain, yep. When I saw it is 40% CSS, I thought "Why is there such a crap-ton of css". Turns out that there just is not a lot of code, this is amazing. Might end up being a way more maintainable sollution than mediawiki in the end. 19:19:10 <TrueBrain> for OpenTTD for sure it will be a whole lot more maintainable 19:19:19 <longtomjr_> Yep, I mean for ottd 19:19:35 <TrueBrain> yeah, I am 100% sure that the total package we have here is more maintainable 19:19:47 <TrueBrain> especially with the data on GitHub, that alone is a big win 19:19:50 <longtomjr_> I were quite sceptical when you said that it might just be easier to build it, than maintain it. 19:20:07 <longtomjr_> (easier to build an alternative vs maintaining mediawiki) 19:20:07 <TrueBrain> I was too till I found wikitextparser :P 19:20:20 <longtomjr_> Yep, free storage 19:20:39 <TrueBrain> storage is always (nearly) free :) 19:20:48 <TrueBrain> but everyone being able to manipulate it, it just epic win 19:21:00 <TrueBrain> mass edits on mediawiki .... well ... I think nobody wants to do that :P 19:21:17 <frosch123> longtomjr_: well, our wiki reaches 50% of the lfs quota of the free plan :) 19:21:42 <TrueBrain> but, tbh, the only reason I considered truewiki viable, is because we already done all the difficult shit with bananas-api and bananas-frontend-web 19:21:47 <TrueBrain> it really is mostly a copy/paste from there 19:22:13 <TrueBrain> we have the experience, we have the knowledge .. 19:22:20 <TrueBrain> and we know the concept works 19:22:37 <longtomjr_> This is really cool and exciting! Anyways, I need to go to bed now. Thanks a lot for the effort and really looking forward to see this progress! 19:23:01 <TrueBrain> sleep well, and tnx :) 19:23:54 <longtomjr_> might be able to help if the opportunity arises, but atm I am getting pretty end of year kinds of tired from my day job coding. I still want to have a look at that bananas grf upload UI and see how long it will take for me to break. 19:24:18 <longtomjr_> o/ 19:24:22 <TrueBrain> help is always welcome, but enjoying life is more important :) 19:28:25 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 19:32:54 *** longtomjr_ has quit IRC 20:21:06 <frosch123> joy, <gallery> also works with image names without leading File: or Image: :) 20:21:40 <TrueBrain> yeah, I kinda ignore that too I tihink 20:23:24 <frosch123> i just fix the one case in mediawiki, then i do not have to adjust my script :) 20:23:29 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 20:23:31 <TrueBrain> smart :) 20:23:40 <TrueBrain> I did that many times :P 20:23:41 <frosch123> learned that from you 20:24:17 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 20:36:29 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 20:38:32 <frosch123> damn, i hate it when my software does something right, that i did not intend and only notice when i break it 20:38:42 <TrueBrain> haha :D 20:45:07 *** dwfreed has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** Laedek has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** y2kboy23 has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** colde has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** cyberjunkie[m] has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** skrzyp has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** gretel[m] has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** reldred has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** robert[m] has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** patricia[m] has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** cawal[m] has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** grossing has quit IRC 20:45:07 *** Ttech has quit IRC 20:45:08 *** grossing has joined #openttd 20:45:17 *** colde has joined #openttd 20:45:17 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 20:45:18 *** reldred has joined #openttd 20:45:18 *** y2kboy23 has joined #openttd 20:46:37 *** skrzyp has joined #openttd 20:47:09 *** Ttech has joined #openttd 20:47:10 *** dwfreed has joined #openttd 20:48:23 *** cyberjunkie[m] has joined #openttd 20:50:27 *** cawal[m] has joined #openttd 20:53:20 *** gretel[m] has joined #openttd 20:55:23 *** robert[m] has joined #openttd 20:59:02 *** patricia[m] has joined #openttd 21:00:55 <frosch123> it's also amazing how bugs sometimes only affect a single page :) 21:02:32 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i pushed an update. fixing a ton of image links 21:17:21 <TrueBrain> Nice! Will check it out tomorrow 21:17:42 <TrueBrain> Considering launching this on staging, so we have a bit more stable testing ground 21:18:02 <TrueBrain> Need to add GitHub checkout for that .. bit of copy paste :D 21:22:41 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Template:Ambox&action=edit <- "CSS if the option will become available"... never heard about including css in a wiki page 21:23:57 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:25:35 <frosch123> hmm, i am tempted to change the ambox/check templates so that the conversion works 21:25:46 <frosch123> not sure what is less work... change before or after conversion 21:41:13 <TrueBrain> What ever floats your boat :) 21:48:55 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:51:01 <TrueBrain> We also need a way to archive the current wiki .. hmm 21:51:17 <TrueBrain> Export MySQL and dockerize it, I guess 21:53:01 <frosch123> do we? 21:53:53 <TrueBrain> I like to :) 21:54:20 <TrueBrain> The break-glass archive :p 22:00:17 *** arikover has joined #openttd 22:04:15 <andythenorth> lol 3 days so far to draw 1 ship :D 22:07:07 <TrueBrain> As long as it is going to be pretty! 22:10:14 <frosch123> is that a positive thing to say? draw for 3 days, so it will be pretty for 3 days, and then delete it? 22:14:22 <andythenorth> as long as it gets done 22:14:38 <andythenorth> ships are the most time consuming thing, more than industry 22:14:55 <andythenorth> they have all these extra crappy bits, like masking out the hull when they load 22:15:03 <andythenorth> and drawing a wake for when they're moving 22:16:08 <andythenorth> cargos and crap 22:23:47 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:25:00 <TrueBrain> Don't draw crap plz 22:25:27 <LordAro> 💩 22:29:01 <andythenorth> can automate crap 22:48:23 <TrueBrain> Normal people call going it to the toilet, but okay 22:48:44 <TrueBrain> That was a poorly constructed sentence, lol 23:00:09 <andythenorth> lol 23:00:15 * andythenorth must to sleep 23:00:19 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:28:05 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 23:50:45 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:58:11 *** nielsm has quit IRC