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00:19:04 <Gustavo6046> oops 00:19:16 <Gustavo6046> I accidentally raised a massive chunk of land off the seabed \o/ 00:19:18 <Gustavo6046> nielsm: ooh, cool 00:19:25 <Gustavo6046> :D 00:21:13 *** nielsm has quit IRC 00:31:13 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 00:56:26 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 00:56:43 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 01:07:23 *** bryjen has joined #openttd 01:07:27 <Gustavo6046> and I did a thing. It looks cool to me, idk about you :P. It's a long(-ish?) maglev rail that crosses several seas(?) to deliver goods. https://youtu.be/B9S9qYSIIMw 01:07:36 <Gustavo6046> It's not too impressive 01:08:14 <Gustavo6046> Sorry for the bitrate 01:08:22 <Gustavo6046> my PC is a sad thing 01:08:27 <Gustavo6046> more like sedentary desk laptop but still 01:12:30 <_dp_> ugh, those turns 01:18:56 *** Laedek has quit IRC 01:21:09 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 01:48:30 *** bryjen has quit IRC 01:54:25 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 03:08:41 *** glx has quit IRC 03:10:32 *** Tirili has quit IRC 03:22:36 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 04:01:28 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 04:03:14 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 04:03:56 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 04:04:58 *** debdog has quit IRC 04:34:52 *** bryjen has joined #openttd 04:36:44 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 04:36:50 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 04:51:06 *** supermop_Home has quit IRC 05:17:56 *** Flygon has quit IRC 05:18:27 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 05:27:09 *** namad7 has joined #openttd 05:32:27 *** namad7 has quit IRC 06:03:05 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:27:54 *** bryjen has quit IRC 06:51:30 *** Flygon has quit IRC 06:54:18 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 06:55:44 *** longtomjr has joined #openttd 07:14:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:22:48 <andythenorth> OOOOF 07:22:52 <andythenorth> waking up time :| 08:51:42 *** Laedek has quit IRC 09:33:25 <TrueBrain> wake up slowly, I feel ripped off when they're not here, 'cause it's cold and lonely, silent when they're not here 09:36:52 <TrueBrain> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBeHiZRrt1w for context 09:39:09 <andythenorth> is this your childhood singing career TrueBrain? :o 09:39:27 <TrueBrain> hahaha, no 09:39:59 <TrueBrain> Google is really bad ..... in the search dashboard, it tells me this for an URL: URL is not on Google 09:40:07 <TrueBrain> when I google it, I find it as #1 result 09:40:10 <TrueBrain> how ............. 09:41:38 <andythenorth> ouch 09:41:46 <andythenorth> I was looking at exact same thing here 09:41:52 <andythenorth> I was about to write 'fuck google' 09:41:54 <TrueBrain> how can you be this broken? 09:42:05 <TrueBrain> I mean, that your own dashboard tells another truth about your own search engine 09:42:37 <TrueBrain> the worst part ... it tells me the URL is removed 10 days ago 09:44:19 <TrueBrain> Coverage report hasn't updated in a few days now .. 09:46:27 <andythenorth> I got crawled on 20 Nov 10:39:16 *** DorpsGek_iv has joined #openttd 10:39:22 <TrueBrain> heelo DorpsGek_iv :P 10:39:25 <TrueBrain> heeeeeelo 10:39:26 <TrueBrain> @whoami 10:39:27 <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: TrueBrain 10:39:27 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain 10:39:29 <TrueBrain> DOUBLE REPLY 10:39:30 <TrueBrain> :D 10:39:35 <TrueBrain> well, that works :) 10:39:45 <TrueBrain> now to deploy it on AWS, I say :) 10:39:46 <Timberwolf> REPLY SPREE. 10:39:52 *** DorpsGek_iv has quit IRC 10:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> how are we up to DorpsGek_IV now? :p 10:41:23 <LordAro> i'm not sure what happened to dorpsgek_ii, tbh 10:42:16 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe we don't talk about DorpsGek_II... maybe it's like Highlander 2, or Matrix 2 :p 10:42:53 <TrueBrain> yeah .. it is a good thing to not talk about DorpsGek_ii 10:44:20 <TrueBrain> it was first seen 2018-08-04 ... 10:45:22 <TrueBrain> and last seen 2019-08-31 10:45:29 <TrueBrain> his life was not that long ... we all miss him dearly ... 10:45:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i would have thought it was much longer ago 10:46:09 <TrueBrain> no, it ran on the kubernetes cluster 10:46:23 <TrueBrain> which survived for like 18 months or so :P 10:47:28 <TrueBrain> right, web interface to see the logs .. eeeuuuuhhhhhhhhh 10:47:59 <SpComb^> 10:48:06 *** SpComb^ is now known as SpComb 10:48:53 <TrueBrain> I like it when you say nothing at all :D 10:48:55 <LordAro> 10:49:03 <TrueBrain> owh yeah ... talk dirty ... 10:50:25 <TrueBrain> hmm, Limnoria also logs the host of users joining/leaving 10:50:28 <TrueBrain> the old one didn't do that 10:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> what if that was actually dirty talk, in whitespace? :p 10:52:21 *** DorpsGek_iv has joined #openttd 10:52:32 <TrueBrain> right, lurk here for a bit DorpsGek_iv , and report your findings, plzzzzz 10:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> is IRC Logs even allowed since GDPR? 10:53:31 <LordAro> @calc 1 << (1 << (1 << 10)) 10:53:31 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 10:53:46 <LordAro> @calc 1 ^ (1 ^ (1 ^ 10)) 10:53:46 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 10:53:58 <LordAro> @calc 1 ** (1 ** (1 ** 10)) 10:53:58 <DorpsGek> LordAro: 1 10:54:08 <LordAro> wait, i'm an idiot 10:54:11 <TrueBrain> yup 10:54:12 <TrueBrain> :P 10:54:13 <TrueBrain> <3 10:54:24 <LordAro> @calc 2 ** (2 ** (2 ** 10)) 10:54:24 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so. 10:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but how is that related? :p 10:54:45 <TrueBrain> I also like how you are talking to the old bot not all of a sudden :) 10:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause> we pray to the old bots and the new. 10:59:50 <TrueBrain> hmm ... to publish everyone's IP till the end of time in the logs, somehow .. I am not really fancy doing that :P 11:00:06 <TrueBrain> am = do, or fancy = fancying 11:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: i feel like the 10 in the last calculation is stilll wrong. but i'm too tired to think about maths right now 12:05:12 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 12:06:52 <longtomjr> @TrueBrain, can you not just mask the IPs? 12:06:58 <longtomjr> if you want to keep the logs 12:08:07 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 12:10:22 <andythenorth> TrueBrain we'd have to get all GDPR about that 12:10:23 <andythenorth> can we now? 12:10:26 <andythenorth> not * 12:11:20 <LordAro> a note in the topic to say that the channel is logged at <address> is probably sufficient 12:12:06 <orudge> IP addresses by themselves do not count as personally identifiable information 12:12:12 <orudge> It needs to be combined with something else, I believe 12:12:27 <orudge> and if you post your full name, address, etc, in the channel, well, that's your problem, I'd argue :D 12:13:51 <andythenorth> my political views :P 12:14:03 <longtomjr> when it comes to these things I just tend to err on the side of caution. if IP addresses can be seen by some laywers in the EU as personal identifiable info, lets just not have it. 12:15:08 <LordAro> not particularly difficult to scrub the connection hostnames from the logs, i'd argue 12:16:38 <orudge> There appear to be at least two public sites offering a live log of #openttd right this minute anyway 12:17:00 <longtomjr> That is not hosted by ottd? 12:17:07 <orudge> Yep 12:17:17 <orudge> One seems to include IPs/hostnames, one doesn't 12:17:20 <longtomjr> Well, then we use that and it is someone else's problem :P 12:17:21 <orudge> http://webster.openttdcoop.org/?channel=openttd&date=1606435200 12:17:21 <orudge> https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/openttd/2020/11/27 12:18:30 <longtomjr> https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/ "Report bugs or criticize source on GitHub" (with a link) that is priceless 12:32:58 <dwfreed> the irclogs.thegrebs.com is hosted by somebody I know 12:33:53 <dwfreed> they are US-based, and haven't been particularly active on IRC in a while, since before GDPR was a thing 12:36:39 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: not sure why GDPR got in this conversation; I just generally do not fancy publishing IPs of people :) 12:37:00 <TrueBrain> openttd.org hasn't tried to avoid these kinds of broadcast since .. well .. 2004 :P 12:37:18 <TrueBrain> it is simply not the right thing to do; GDPR enforces this ... common sense :) 12:37:19 <andythenorth> I will subscribe to your newsletter 12:37:55 <TrueBrain> too often I read that "because of GDPR" .. but more often people should think about: "what is the sane ethical way to do this" 12:38:47 <TrueBrain> but, I guess it is the reason we are in this hot privacy mess .. because too many people were like: there is no law against that 12:39:00 <TrueBrain> and too few were: what would I think about this if this was my information 12:39:25 <longtomjr> It helps that people think about it at least. A lot of folks would not even think about it being potentially unethical etc. before GDPR. Now people are at least thinking about the impact of these things, even if it is to save their own bacon 12:39:58 <TrueBrain> and that is exactly my point: they now only thinking within the lines draw by GDPR 12:40:17 <TrueBrain> so if they find a way to comply with GDPR, it is fine .. completely forgetting to think about what GDPR tries to say 12:40:17 <dwfreed> IP addresses aren't private, and the information is already available to anybody in the channel, since it's a public channel 12:40:25 <longtomjr> Yep, but I would argue that it is still better than not thinking about it at all. 12:40:37 <TrueBrain> there is a huge difference between information being available here and now dwfreed , and keeping it for ever and ever available on the web 12:40:44 <TrueBrain> longtomjr: nobody is disagreeing 12:40:53 <longtomjr> TrueBrain, I am realising that :P 12:40:55 <TrueBrain> my point is that it is stupid we need laws to get people to think about it at all :) 12:41:07 <andythenorth> I am hard agreeing, I just don't want to do a DPIA for irc logs 12:41:21 <TrueBrain> storing the IP is like that you walk in a bar to leave your address for Covid-19 12:41:26 <TrueBrain> and that they publish that on the web for ever and ever 12:41:26 <dwfreed> *shrug* many ISPs have short IP assignment lifetimes 12:41:33 <TrueBrain> like .. no sane person would say that is okay :P 12:41:44 <TrueBrain> even if that address was only the "city you came from" 12:42:06 <TrueBrain> dwfreed: STRONGLY depends on your country 12:42:10 <longtomjr> dwfreed, in the end it is a potential way to identify, or help identify a person. So the information attached to it should be treated as such 12:42:10 <TrueBrain> there is some heavy bias there :) 12:42:32 <TrueBrain> most Dutch providers for example, have near-static assignments 12:43:01 <TrueBrain> (only if you are offline for more than 24 hours, it changes on some) 12:43:15 <dwfreed> I doubt that anything is going to change 12:43:36 <TrueBrain> that is a pretty blank statement; what do you mean? :) 12:44:23 <dwfreed> at least as far as irclogs.thegrebs.com is concerned, I doubt he's going to change his log format or strip the IPs from the existing logs 12:44:39 <TrueBrain> but I am not him; I can only fix things in my control :) 12:44:51 <TrueBrain> so I have choices in how I am going to resolve it :) 12:45:20 <TrueBrain> just because someone else is doing I don't agree with, doesn't make it okay for me to copy that behaviour :P :D 12:45:26 <dwfreed> in part because I don't know if he's particularly reachable right now; I'd have to check with mutual friends that are more likely to be able to get ahold of him in meatspace 12:45:49 <TrueBrain> just for your context, I was talking about the logs we are going to make available on openttd.org 12:50:02 <TrueBrain> in the end, when it comes to ethical concerns, you can only fix the things you have control over :) 12:50:25 <TrueBrain> (and mind you, I am staying for away if it is allowed by GDPR or not .. that is not a discussion I want to have :D) 12:52:00 <longtomjr> Did you say you are giving me legal advice? Am I your client now? 12:52:06 <longtomjr> :P 12:52:15 <TrueBrain> :D 12:56:42 *** tokai has joined #openttd 12:56:42 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 13:03:21 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 13:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> <dwfreed> IP addresses aren't private, and the information is already available to anybody in the channel, since it's a public channel <-- that's not a good argument. GDPR is specifically about storing data that is "available anyway" 13:09:29 <TrueBrain> and someone missed the gist of the story ;) 13:54:02 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:01:26 *** DorpsGek_iv has quit IRC 14:05:22 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:06:37 *** DorpsGek_iv has joined #openttd 14:07:18 <TrueBrain> https://2d23be9e097c.eu.ngrok.io/weblogs/openttd/2020/11/27.html <- lot of dead-links, but .. it is a start :) 14:13:00 *** DorpsGek_iv has quit IRC 14:13:00 *** DorpsGek_iv has joined #openttd 14:16:32 *** DorpsGek_iv has quit IRC 14:16:34 *** DorpsGek_iv has joined #openttd 14:16:42 <TrueBrain> I should enable the "reload plugin" option .. :P 14:19:27 <TrueBrain> given frosch is the biggest user of this backlog, I guess I have to wait and ask him if this works for him :P 14:19:41 <TrueBrain> I was considering colouring the usernames; that might help a bit for readability 14:23:57 *** vejetaryenvampir has joined #openttd 14:26:46 *** nielsm has quit IRC 14:30:21 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttd 14:34:35 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:35:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 14:36:22 <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth it has to be tested some day ... 14:36:22 *** Xaroth was kicked by DorpsGek (it has to be tested some day ...) 14:36:28 *** Xaroth has joined #openttd 14:36:31 <Xaroth> ... 14:36:38 <TrueBrain> what? it works! 14:36:52 <Xaroth> @whoami 14:36:52 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: I don't recognize you. 14:36:54 <Xaroth> bah 14:40:33 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 15:41:56 <milek7> some IRC network just mask hostnames 15:42:40 <milek7> like that: nick@7717E5F4:47EF6383:F36E20:IP 15:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but doing that in logs is tricky because you don't have any information what's IP and what's not 15:45:18 *** Progman has joined #openttd 15:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i don't see any reason why we need IPs in the log, thus the general approach should be "don't store any data that you don't need" 16:03:53 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 16:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> too often I read that "because of GDPR" .. but more often people should think about: "what is the sane ethical way to do this" <-- well, concerning the "gist" of the conversation, we wouldn't need GDPR if more people were doing "the ethical" thing in the first place 16:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause> GDPR is basically "the absolute minimum" of ethical consideration 16:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> if someone is not following GDPR, the world (or, at least, the internet) would probably better off if they didn't do anything at all 17:00:48 <Eddi|zuHause> some people need a sheet of paper saying "this is the law" to do The Right Thing(tm), and some people only listen after paying X amount of money, and some people don't listen at all 17:04:08 *** otetede has joined #openttd 17:12:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:22:43 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:30:53 *** arikover has joined #openttd 17:32:17 <frosch123> DorpsGek_iv does not recognise me 17:32:24 <frosch123> but without being op, it probably can't kick 17:33:10 <frosch123> also, was info@ moved? or did just the ssl cert expire? 17:40:45 *** Maarten has quit IRC 18:04:00 *** Maarten has joined #openttd 18:04:00 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:13:17 <andythenorth> well 18:13:20 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 18:13:22 * andythenorth drawing trains 18:17:28 <andythenorth> I should stop 18:17:31 <andythenorth> there are enough 18:27:49 <andythenorth> it's always so fun though :) 18:28:08 <andythenorth> trains are easy to draw, and there are no real limits in the spec 18:28:08 *** supermop_Home has joined #openttd 18:28:14 <supermop_Home> yo 18:28:18 <andythenorth> yo 18:29:42 <supermop_Home> andythenorth are railcar trailers gone now? 18:29:50 <andythenorth> not intentionally 18:29:53 <supermop_Home> or did i mess us some settings 18:29:56 <andythenorth> you're playing a game? 18:29:59 <supermop_Home> yes 18:30:06 <supermop_Home> for first time in a while 18:30:22 <andythenorth> the intro dates can't be synchronised, is it that maybe? 18:30:58 <andythenorth> https://grf.farm/iron-horse/2.13.0/html/trains.html#passenger_railcar_trailer_car_pony_gen_4U 18:32:41 <supermop_Home> does it depend on the simplified gameplay param? 18:36:42 <andythenorth> they're probably removed 18:38:32 <andythenorth> supermop_Home yup removed in simplified 18:49:27 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:54:09 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:54:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:59:09 <supermop_Home> ok 19:03:21 *** longtomjr has quit IRC 19:22:59 <andythenorth> should 'replace vehicles' use the group colour scheme? :) 19:44:22 *** otetede has quit IRC 19:52:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 19:53:35 <TrueBrain> frosch123: DorpsGek_iv only knows me atm :) Is the backlog sufficient for you? 19:53:47 <TrueBrain> and properly the cert expired ... I want to migrate the mail; renewing it is just wasting money :P 19:53:57 <TrueBrain> but .. still waiting for planetmaker / fonsinchen / SmatZ / Rubidium to reply :) 19:54:33 <TrueBrain> I think Sunday or so I switch anyway, by making mailboxes for those 4 people to capture any mail .. and once we know what they want, figure it out then 19:55:40 <frosch123> well, there were two cases of people talking to senior dorpsgek, while pretending to test baby dorpsgek 19:56:02 <frosch123> anyway, logs are up-to-date, without that obiwan bug of the old one 19:56:11 <TrueBrain> I took good care of that, yes :) 19:56:35 <TrueBrain> and I loved that people did not get that they were talking to baby dorpsgek .. that was cute :) 19:56:45 <frosch123> i can only see todays logs, the rest is 404 19:56:57 <TrueBrain> yes, it is not finished like that 19:57:04 <TrueBrain> was mostly curious of today is what you would expect 19:57:09 <frosch123> no idea which other channels it may expose 19:57:11 <TrueBrain> after that, I can finish the rest easily :) 19:57:18 <TrueBrain> I am whitelisting it 19:57:23 <frosch123> what did you expect me to expect? 19:57:28 <TrueBrain> so not the secret channel :P 19:57:32 <TrueBrain> well, you read the backlog the most 19:57:35 <frosch123> it's more colorful than the old one :p 19:57:41 <TrueBrain> the old one had a button for it! :D 19:57:43 <frosch123> you can link to lines 19:57:47 <TrueBrain> but I was mostly curious if I missed anything or what-ever 19:57:55 <frosch123> don'T know what more 19:58:06 <TrueBrain> sometimes a question is just that simple :) 19:58:26 <frosch123> can you make https?://\S* linkable? 19:58:54 <frosch123> but not important either :) 19:58:59 <TrueBrain> I could .. do you want to? 19:59:02 <TrueBrain> it is a simple regex 19:59:24 <frosch123> could something explode? 19:59:41 <TrueBrain> it could be wrong, but that is about it :P 20:00:06 *** DorpsGek_iv has quit IRC 20:00:08 *** DorpsGek_iv has joined #openttd 20:00:12 <TrueBrain> there, now it knows you frosch123 20:00:16 <TrueBrain> at least .. I think 20:00:18 <TrueBrain> %whois frosch123 20:00:18 <frosch123> @whoami 20:00:19 <DorpsGek> frosch123: frosch 20:00:25 <frosch123> %whoami 20:00:25 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: frosch 20:00:29 <TrueBrain> TADA! 20:00:31 <frosch123> oh, new char :) 20:00:35 <TrueBrain> for now, yes 20:00:40 <TrueBrain> I wanted to avoid a battle between those two :P 20:01:03 <TrueBrain> %topic get 0 20:01:03 <frosch123> %kick Xaroth 20:01:03 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to kick someone. 20:01:04 <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: Error: '0' is not a valid topic number. 20:01:18 <TrueBrain> he will become op once I rename it to DorpsGek 20:01:21 <frosch123> what's a halfop? 20:01:29 <frosch123> sounds like a hobbit 20:01:37 <TrueBrain> no clue .. some weird IRC thingy 20:01:45 <TrueBrain> not even sure this IRC network supports that :P 20:02:05 <TrueBrain> but for DorpsGek_iv to become +o it needs to identify with ChanServ, which means DorpsGek would be kicked :P 20:02:07 <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3, DG3 20:02:08 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: I can't change the topic, I'm not (half)opped and #openttd is +t. 20:02:24 <TrueBrain> poor bot :) 20:02:25 <frosch123> @op DorpsGek_iv 20:02:25 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o DorpsGek_iv 20:02:29 <TrueBrain> ha :D 20:02:30 <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3, DG3 20:02:30 *** DorpsGek_iv changes topic to "1.10.3, DG3 | Website: *.openttd.org (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only" 20:02:31 <TrueBrain> you smart :P 20:02:33 <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3 20:02:33 *** DorpsGek_iv changes topic to "1.10.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only" 20:02:37 <frosch123> all fine :) 20:02:56 <frosch123> %deop DorpsGek 20:02:56 *** DorpsGek_iv sets mode: -o DorpsGek 20:03:01 <frosch123> %op DorpsGek 20:03:01 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: The command "op" is available in the BetterChannel and Services plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "op". 20:03:09 <frosch123> lol 20:03:13 <TrueBrain> ah, that is a nice bug :) 20:03:18 <TrueBrain> %BetterChannl op DorpsGek 20:03:25 <TrueBrain> %BetterChannel op DorpsGek 20:03:25 *** DorpsGek_iv sets mode: +o DorpsGek 20:03:27 <TrueBrain> typing is hard 20:03:53 <frosch123> almost hostile takeover :) 20:04:55 <frosch123> %say moo 20:04:59 <frosch123> aw 20:05:00 <TrueBrain> sorry :) 20:05:13 <TrueBrain> you can make a PR to add that functionality yourself when I am done :P 20:06:45 <TrueBrain> so all there is left to do, is publish files to S3 every night, and make AWS accept this codebase :D 20:06:57 <TrueBrain> owh, and import old log-files ... 300MiB of log-files :P 20:07:41 <DorpsGek> moo 20:08:15 <LordAro> %seen DorpsGek 20:08:15 <DorpsGek_iv> LordAro: DorpsGek was last seen in #openttd 34 seconds ago: <DorpsGek> moo 20:08:29 <LordAro> %seen Bjarni 20:08:29 <DorpsGek_iv> LordAro: I have not seen Bjarni. 20:09:06 <glx> oh no history is lost 20:09:10 <frosch123> %password 20:09:10 <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: You don't have permissions to perform this action. 20:09:37 <frosch123> did not expect that 20:09:42 <LordAro> %hack_TrueBrain 20:09:43 <frosch123> only wanted to test glx' script 20:09:54 <glx> it's with a ! and it's my client talking to DorpsGek 20:10:15 *** DorpsGek_iv has quit IRC 20:10:17 *** DorpsGek_iv has joined #openttd 20:10:21 <TrueBrain> @op DorpsGek_iv 20:10:21 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o DorpsGek_iv 20:10:24 <TrueBrain> %op TrueBrain 20:10:24 <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: Error: The command "op" is available in the BetterChannel and Services plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "op". 20:10:28 <TrueBrain> bah ... 20:11:01 <TrueBrain> I made Services non-public, but that doesn't seem to help :P 20:13:31 <TrueBrain> not sure what I am doing wrong there :P 20:15:26 <TrueBrain> it is the same in the current bot, yet it acts different .. something to figure out tomorrow :) 20:15:33 <TrueBrain> same with password, that should not respond at all 20:15:54 <TrueBrain> guess there is a BetterServices incoming :) 20:16:04 <TrueBrain> all those plugins really have WAY too many commands available :P 20:20:43 *** DorpsGek_iv has quit IRC 20:29:41 <TrueBrain> frosch123: anyway, mail, I am still not sure what is the best approach here .. it is difficult to reach people who have been afk for months 20:30:45 <TrueBrain> I guess if we migrate (which in results means they won't be able to access their email) and not reach out in, say, 3 months, we can safely assume we can remove the mailbox? 20:30:53 <TrueBrain> +they 20:31:31 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i don't think you need to wait for people who are not even members of github org 20:31:59 <frosch123> if you have not been active for 2.5 years (or 1.5? not sure), then you also do not read your email 20:32:08 <frosch123> so, that leaves planetmaker only? 20:32:20 <TrueBrain> I guess 20:32:24 <TrueBrain> yeah, indeed 20:33:50 <TrueBrain> he hasn't checked his mailbox in at least 30 days; but I guess if I just make a new mailbox for him, the email will at least arrive 20:33:56 <TrueBrain> he just won't have access :P 20:34:29 <TrueBrain> when he drops by again, I can setup the forward, and give access to the mailbox if needed 20:35:04 <andythenorth> hmm is my OpenTTD game done? 114 years so far 20:35:29 <TrueBrain> okay, I will just do that this weekend .. as an invalid cert also has some issues with some other systems :D 20:35:39 <TrueBrain> (nothing unresolvable .. but annoying :P) 20:42:03 <frosch123> 2.5 years, i looked it up :) it's so hard to keep track of years 20:43:48 <TrueBrain> especially 2020 ..... 20:43:52 <TrueBrain> what a weird year :P 20:44:02 <TrueBrain> I really cannot differentiate between March and tomorrow :P 20:44:49 <frosch123> i have no problem with weekdays and with time of year 20:44:56 <frosch123> but weeks and years are hard :) 20:45:06 <frosch123> they are just repetitions of patterns 20:45:23 <frosch123> i knew we moved to github around easter, but not whether 2018 or 2019 20:47:42 <TrueBrain> https://media.nu.nl/m/l7kxilwalt85_wd640.jpg <- rough translation: "extremely busy in city center; GO HOME!". Dutch people who put ! at the end of sentences is an indication they REALLY mean it .. it is very uncommon to see that on these signs :P 20:47:52 <TrueBrain> people are fucking stupid ... they all went shopping for Black Friday 20:48:19 <TrueBrain> (which ran all week, to add to injury) 20:49:33 <TrueBrain> frosch123: remember that 3 years ago we used FlySpray to review patches ..... can you still imagine that? The horror? :P 20:50:23 <frosch123> oh, i think i stopped reviewing earlier. either people got it right on the first try, i could fix minor issues myself, or there was no point argueing 20:50:43 <TrueBrain> well, that hasn't changed :P 20:50:45 <TrueBrain> :D 20:51:02 <TrueBrain> I sometimes like reminding myself where we came from, at work, at a project .. 20:51:07 <TrueBrain> so much fun how easily you forget progression 20:51:32 <frosch123> i think there was a time when 3 devs tried to explain people on the forums how to indent with tabs and spaces 20:51:57 <frosch123> but honestly, i never met a good coder who could not indent 20:52:12 <frosch123> so, no indenting skills is an easy early filter 20:52:23 <frosch123> probably also the reason why python is so nice :p 20:52:28 <TrueBrain> :D 20:53:50 <andythenorth> the general horror of FS :) 20:53:55 <andythenorth> 968 issues 20:53:58 <andythenorth> or something 20:54:31 <frosch123> you are counting feature requests 20:54:39 <frosch123> we did not have so many bugs :) 20:54:53 <TrueBrain> closing all feature requests did help with that number, yes :D 20:56:37 <andythenorth> I have given up on gardening Github though :D 20:56:50 <TrueBrain> more people have given up on more things :P 20:56:51 <andythenorth> it's just more 10x more fun to make newgrf 20:56:55 <TrueBrain> but that is not the topic of today :) 20:57:11 *** arikover has quit IRC 20:57:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: where is css on that scale? 3x ? 20:57:40 <andythenorth> 0.3x 20:57:55 <frosch123> oh, closing issues is more fun than css? 20:57:58 <andythenorth> css is about as appealing as writing raw nfo 20:58:12 <andythenorth> I hate hate hate hate css 20:58:58 <andythenorth> and I can't be arsed to try and explain about LESS or SASS to people who take pride in 'beautifully hand-crafted styles' 20:59:03 <andythenorth> css developers are perverse 20:59:31 * andythenorth drawing ingots 20:59:37 <andythenorth> https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/B-tops-codes/BEA-bogie-bolster-wagons/i-gqT88Fm/A 20:59:51 <andythenorth> pls implement 'shiny' pixels thanks 20:59:59 <andythenorth> I asked the other day and it STILL isn't done 21:00:03 <andythenorth> wtf? 21:00:11 <Wolf01> irc in vr is nice, you can zoom by moving your head toward the screen 21:00:33 <andythenorth> ha ha 21:00:43 <andythenorth> and have like butterflies and stuff flying around? 21:00:50 <andythenorth> is frosch123 actually a frog in irc? 21:00:53 <Wolf01> yeah 21:01:19 <frosch123> what do the zombies look like? 21:01:58 <TrueBrain> "you can zoom by moving your head toward the screen" ... did he really just say that? 21:02:06 <TrueBrain> you don't need VR for that silly :P 21:02:37 <andythenorth> this isn't vr? 21:02:49 <Wolf01> oh that's true :P 21:02:55 <frosch123> no, this is the real thing 21:03:03 <frosch123> everything else is vr 21:03:13 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: you made me laugh out loud, tnx for that :D 21:08:41 <andythenorth> hmm, how much cargo sprite randomisation? 21:10:57 <andythenorth> none 21:11:08 <andythenorth> random colours randomise, it's weird randomising cargo too 21:18:55 <frosch123> randomise the cargo income, to annoy players? 21:19:50 <frosch123> wait, better idea 21:20:05 <frosch123> make cargo payment depend on day of month, so people have to fine-tune timetables 21:21:03 *** guru3 has quit IRC 21:21:05 <andythenorth> quite realistic also 21:21:09 <andythenorth> for so many reasons 21:21:12 *** guru3 has joined #openttd 21:33:52 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 21:36:47 *** Tirili has quit IRC 21:37:31 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 21:38:08 <Wolf01> I should try OpenTTD in vr 21:39:10 <Wolf01> But not today, minecraft killed me :P 21:40:22 * andythenorth finally doing the Steeltown cargo sprites for vehicles 21:40:29 <andythenorth> was kind of the original point :P 21:42:51 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 21:45:02 <_dp_> I wonder what's worse: openttd in vr or on phone 21:47:13 *** glx has quit IRC 21:47:44 *** glx has joined #openttd 21:48:37 <Wolf01> The only thing I hope is it doesn't implement teleport movement :> 21:59:05 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:04:19 <milek7> there's that 3d patchset on forums 22:05:48 <milek7> so.. ottd map as VR railroad model thing? :P 22:06:39 <Wolf01> Could be amazing 22:26:50 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 22:30:35 <andythenorth> can Eddi|zuHause finish the town grid patch? :P 22:33:58 <glx> internet has some issues for me tonight, can't chat on twitch (but watching is ok), same for discord, but both work when using 4G 22:38:19 <TrueBrain> Owh, shit, I forgot to mute you on here too .. we all agreed on that last week.. oops ... twitch and discord are going to be mad at me now ... 22:39:07 <TrueBrain> <3 22:39:39 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 22:40:06 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 22:43:59 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:45:55 <glx> lol 23:02:07 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:21:09 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 23:23:22 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 23:26:58 *** supermop_Home has quit IRC 23:31:29 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:45:52 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 23:46:10 *** Flygon has quit IRC