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I only work in outer space." 11:18:45 <Timberwolf> "In the ISS today, anyone for pub?" 11:23:29 <NGC3982> there might be a day when #space (single-#) will be reserved for people actually in space 11:25:39 <NGC3982> i wonder if irc will still be a thing then 12:42:13 *** tokai has joined #openttd 12:42:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 12:44:10 *** glx has joined #openttd 12:44:10 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 12:49:01 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 12:59:48 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 13:02:31 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:16:36 *** berndj has quit IRC 14:25:00 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 14:25:07 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 14:25:36 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 14:26:33 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 14:35:56 *** LordAro has quit IRC 14:36:27 *** LordAro has joined #openttd 14:42:17 *** LordAro has quit IRC 14:42:29 *** LordAro has joined #openttd 14:50:16 *** berndj has joined #openttd 15:12:07 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 15:23:53 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 15:24:30 *** Progman has joined #openttd 15:25:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #9458: [Bug]: desync after joining server https://git.io/J4Sll 15:43:47 <_dp_> There are some suspicions for mac build desyncing sometimes 15:43:54 <_dp_> game rly needs to send build info to the server 15:44:23 <_dp_> like, I have some desyncs that I can't repro even though I have exact game state and full command log 15:44:36 <_dp_> they may be mac or android or whatever, idk 15:45:10 <_dp_> but I can't repro them so can't do anything about it 15:45:10 <LordAro> that seems unlikely 15:45:23 <_dp_> well, I know of one android desync for sure 15:47:04 <_dp_> https://github.com/pelya/openttd-android/issues/12 15:47:19 <_dp_> unfortunately it doesn't seem like pelya can fix it :( 15:48:03 <_dp_> and I know nothing about android development to help either 15:51:53 *** roadt__ has quit IRC 15:52:16 *** roadt__ has joined #openttd 15:54:22 <_dp_> hm, and if android desyncs mb arm64 win build does as well 15:56:35 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 15:56:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 16:01:07 *** Strom has quit IRC 16:02:42 *** Strom has joined #openttd 16:03:44 *** tokai has quit IRC 16:04:31 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:22:53 *** Speedy` has quit IRC 16:32:35 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 16:54:06 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 17:30:24 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:39:43 <andythenorth> yo 17:47:29 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 17:48:28 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 18:21:04 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 18:21:34 *** Flygon has quit IRC 18:21:47 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 18:48:52 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:53:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JBwTN 18:53:24 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 18:55:09 <TrueBrain> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/273533192601075712/870735140379299850/unknown.png 18:55:14 <TrueBrain> It's a start 18:57:00 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 18:57:13 <andythenorth> :) 19:03:04 *** tokai has joined #openttd 19:03:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 19:10:03 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 19:11:59 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 19:18:39 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 20:11:19 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 20:12:00 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 20:19:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:22:27 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:39:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 20:53:45 *** Strom has quit IRC 20:55:24 *** Strom has joined #openttd 21:01:14 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:06:58 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 21:06:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 21:07:13 <andythenorth> python copytree seems slow 21:07:34 * andythenorth wonders if the implementation is just using the OS filesystem methods or not 21:13:56 *** tokai has quit IRC 21:17:19 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:19:59 *** Samu has quit IRC 21:20:02 <andythenorth> maybe I need to rethink docs publishing 21:20:36 <andythenorth> I have 540MB of docs, and every time I run make they copy from src to dist 21:21:17 <frosch123> how many files? 21:21:33 <frosch123> is the size the problem? or the amount of files? 21:22:11 <LordAro> do they all change every time? rsync or similar might be better than blindly copying all 540MB 21:22:44 <frosch123> yes, but only if the size is the problem. if the amount is the problem, rsync or cp -u won't help 21:25:31 <andythenorth> 44k items 21:25:54 <andythenorth> typically 1k items are changed 21:26:01 <andythenorth> @calc 1/44 21:26:01 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 0.022727272727272728 21:26:10 <andythenorth> so 2-3% 21:26:33 <andythenorth> they're tagged versions of docs 21:26:56 <LordAro> i'd recommend swapping out the python with an rsync 21:27:08 <andythenorth> the grf folders here are copied to 'dist' every time make runs https://github.com/andythenorth/grf.farm/tree/master/src 21:27:12 <andythenorth> seems very unwise 21:27:22 * andythenorth installs rysnc 21:28:51 <andythenorth> I don't even have make checking any deps 21:29:45 <andythenorth> dist is rm-ed every time :) https://github.com/andythenorth/grf.farm/blob/master/src/build_dist.py#L38 21:30:11 <LordAro> rsync with a --delete will manage that 21:30:52 <LordAro> rsync -a --delete src dist/ 21:31:05 <LordAro> possibly with a -v if you want lots of output 21:33:57 <andythenorth> funny that rsync is missing on modern macs 21:34:20 <LordAro> it's rare that it's installed by default anywhere 21:34:51 <glx> somehow your Makefile has not proper dep rules 21:35:40 <andythenorth> they're basically * 21:36:07 * andythenorth doesn't understand how to write deps rules 21:36:16 <andythenorth> other people usually give me a patch 21:36:23 <glx> if dist is deleted every time, a full copy always happen 21:36:50 <andythenorth> yes 21:40:22 <LordAro> deeply recursive makefiles are difficult 21:40:34 <andythenorth> rsync is very fast 21:40:40 <andythenorth> much faster than mac finder copy 21:41:21 <andythenorth> ok I need to shell out from python, or call this from makefile 21:41:45 <andythenorth> python will be subprocess or something 21:44:40 <LordAro> probably easier to subprocess it 21:45:08 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 21:46:31 <andythenorth> soooo much faster 21:46:51 <LordAro> how much? 21:47:17 <andythenorth> didn't benchmark, but a LOT 21:47:32 <andythenorth> 10s of seconds vs. maybe a couple of minutes 21:50:53 <andythenorth> https://github.com/andythenorth/grf.farm/blob/master/src/build_dist.py#L46 21:51:08 <_dp_> crazy idea of the day: make regions on the map with varying object scale 21:51:20 <_dp_> like, some parts have huge houses, trees, etc and some have tiny 21:51:37 <_dp_> wonder if it's possible to change vehicle scale on the way 21:51:52 <_dp_> I guess it is if newgrf knows scale function 21:52:18 <andythenorth> so rsync: full copy 20s, partial copy if just one grf changed docs, about 2s 21:53:33 <andythenorth> python copytree: not as slow as I thought, about 18s for a full copy, but it does a full copy *every* time 21:53:43 <andythenorth> that seems to have got faster, maybe because I un-nerfed my mac 21:55:01 <andythenorth> mac finder copy is about 1 minute 22:02:35 <frosch123> pff, compiling openttd in qemu-arm64 is like compiling firefox on gentoo 22:06:02 <_dp_> is there a simple way to define a bunch of objects of the same class in nml? 22:06:15 <_dp_> without having to define spritelayout{} and item{} for each 22:06:23 <_dp_> they're just rows of sprites in the image 22:06:39 <frosch123> spritelayout can have parameters 22:06:52 <frosch123> so you can reuse the same spritelayout for different objects 22:07:30 <frosch123> but you will need a item in nml for every item in openttd 22:09:59 <_dp_> oh well, guess it's time to move to python 22:10:24 * andythenorth wonders why FIRS makefile bothers with bundle_src target 22:11:00 <andythenorth> ok adventures in makefiles 22:11:11 <andythenorth> I want to create 'make release' target 22:11:26 <andythenorth> which runs bundle_tar target, then an extra python script 22:12:51 <_dp_> is there a way to make an optional parameter for an nml block btw? 22:16:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] perezdidac commented on pull request #9043: Feature: ability to build overlapping bridges on different axes https://git.io/JBwXP 22:47:16 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:06:58 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 23:07:57 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 23:23:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Jeems4727 opened issue #9459: [Crash]: Game crashed out of nowhere https://git.io/JBwFt 23:26:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #9459: [Crash]: Game crashed out of nowhere https://git.io/JBwFt 23:28:05 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 23:29:48 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 23:33:43 <frosch123> 154 minutes to compile a dedicated server on qemu-arm64 23:33:48 <frosch123> i won't bisect anything :p 23:49:57 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:59:12 *** Progman has quit IRC