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00:24:23 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 01:11:28 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:12:07 *** glx has quit IRC 01:29:12 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 01:35:04 *** supermop_Home has joined #openttd 01:35:12 <supermop_Home> yo 01:37:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on pull request #9637: Invert the effect of Ctrl press when dragging signals https://git.io/J6AMb 01:43:25 <supermop_Home> going to be hard to erase those 12ish years of muscle memory but ok 01:56:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] gabrielrodriguesleite opened issue #261: [pt_BR] Translator access request 🇧🇷 https://git.io/J6AFI 02:15:13 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 02:27:39 <supermop_Home> hi snail_UES_ 02:27:49 <snail_UES_> hey supermop_Home 02:30:12 <supermop_Home> great weather today 02:45:05 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:45:19 <snail_UES_> yep, felt like late summere 02:45:21 <snail_UES_> *summer 02:45:32 <snail_UES_> I’m actually just back from carnegie hall 02:45:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9637: Invert the effect of Ctrl press when dragging signals https://git.io/J6x4i 02:46:08 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 02:48:00 <supermop_Home> nice 02:48:25 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:48:34 <supermop_Home> I wanted to go to a concert in Bushwick tonight but didn't manage to 02:49:54 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 03:25:21 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 03:36:31 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 03:58:58 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 03:58:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 04:05:51 *** tokai has quit IRC 04:05:51 *** _aD has quit IRC 05:20:35 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:15:48 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 06:20:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #9637: Invert the effect of Ctrl press when dragging signals https://git.io/J6jEI 06:23:26 *** Montana_ has joined #openttd 06:41:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:22:09 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:24:26 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:29:27 *** supermop_Home has quit IRC 07:58:57 <peter1138> x23:04 < TrueBrain> now if Cloudflare R2 drops .. we can move our CDN to there 08:00:11 <peter1138> Heh, I remember the days when we ran random mirrors... and the one I had accounted for most of my employer's traffic at one point. 08:01:08 <LordAro> haha 08:20:43 <andythenorth> yo 08:24:42 <NGC3982> i really admire you guys 08:25:03 <NGC3982> just wanted to un-idle so i could say that before returnign to idle 08:28:51 <LordAro> NGC3982: <3 08:35:39 *** gregdek has quit IRC 08:35:40 *** gregdek has joined #openttd 09:12:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rau117 commented on pull request #9637: Invert the effect of Ctrl press when dragging signals https://git.io/Jivxa 09:24:44 *** Samu has joined #openttd 09:33:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] FLHerne commented on pull request #9637: Invert the effect of Ctrl press when dragging signals https://git.io/Jifs0 09:35:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #9637: Invert the effect of Ctrl press when dragging signals https://git.io/JifZk 09:37:39 <FLHerne> I edited my comment to make it a bit clearer 09:40:01 <FLHerne> If area-drag is removed and not hidden behind ctrl, ctrl-drag will still work and no-one will complain 09:40:12 <FLHerne> except the people who use area-drag 09:40:15 <FLHerne> but that's no-one 09:44:16 <LordAro> FLHerne: careful on those absolute statements ;) 09:45:01 <FLHerne> I like absolute statements, they make everything much clearer :p 09:45:47 <LordAro> :D 10:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> who ordered this weather? 10:19:05 <dP> my thought to leave "covered area" just in case and judge by the feedback whether it can be removed later 10:19:15 <dP> it's not like there is a better use of ctrl atm 10:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i kinda lean towards FLHerne on that argument 10:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> better to just change the non-ctrl behaviour, and leave the ctrl-behaviour intact for people who already got used to it 10:28:00 <FLHerne> dP: The thing is that keeping it isn't a free "just in case" because switching it to ctrl breaks everyone's existing habit of using ctrl 10:28:57 <dP> yeah, I guess 10:28:58 <FLHerne> so it's a tradeoff between breaking something that 95% of players use all the time, vs. removing an obscure and rarely-used feature 10:29:20 <FLHerne> maybe not 95%, a surprising number of players seem to not get signals :p 10:29:26 <dP> safest option would be to make a setting and possibly remove it in the future depending on the feedback 10:29:55 <FLHerne> with which settings? 10:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: i'd say 5% is already an incredibly high number for a "hidden" ctrl-feature... more like 0.5% 10:30:12 <FLHerne> default full-drag-only, alternate as-before? 10:30:15 <Timberwolf> I'm one of those annoying people who does use the non-ctrl version of signal drag every once in a while. 10:30:29 <FLHerne> Timberwolf: what for? 10:31:20 <dP> FLHerne, as before, invert ctrl, autofill only 10:31:24 <dP> default can be either 10:31:26 <Timberwolf> Sections where I want a short bit of increased density, or where I'm doing things with multiple types of signal. 10:31:46 <Timberwolf> It's not common, more of an occasional thing. 10:32:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the question at this point should be: is there actually any pressure on modifying this code at all? 10:33:35 <FLHerne> I've seen a handful of new-ish players who didn't know about the ctrl behaviour 10:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that's to be expected, yes 10:34:16 <FLHerne> If there's a willingness to change the UI to make it more beginner-friendly, this seems like a reasonable example 10:34:41 <FLHerne> it can't upset more people than hiding block signals :p 10:38:41 <Eddi|zuHause> presumably there'd be a lot of overlap between the two people groups :p 10:41:58 <Timberwolf> I'd be fine with the default flipping, muscle memory aside. 10:46:02 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 11:24:11 *** lolek has joined #openttd 11:24:17 *** lolek has left #openttd 11:25:57 <andythenorth> also what is 'workflow' 11:26:08 <andythenorth> people always banging on about it in a mac forum I read 11:26:13 <andythenorth> 'this breaks workflow' 11:26:25 <andythenorth> 'if only Apple understood the workflow of true pros' etc 11:26:30 <andythenorth> I don't have a workflow 11:26:32 <andythenorth> should I? 11:37:19 *** tokai has joined #openttd 11:37:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 11:44:11 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 11:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> there's two separate questions in there: "should you have a workflow", and "should you be able to write your workflow down" 11:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> on the first question: anything you do more than 3 times probably automatically forms a workflow 11:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> on the second question: only if you need to coordinate other people 11:56:55 <Timberwolf> My in-game workflow seems to infuriate some very vocal people. 11:58:07 <FLHerne> Not enough magic hotkeys? 12:01:03 <Timberwolf> Mainly the subset of players who like everything to be Big Design Up Front, and to go straight in with stations and junctions that can handle some theoretical maximum throughput. 12:06:40 <Eddi|zuHause> when i came here, whatever the coop people were doing, i was doing the opposite :p 12:11:51 <Timberwolf> IMO some of the PSG games aren't what currently gets called "coop style" 12:12:40 <Timberwolf> The ones I've looked at have pretty simple sidelines, and the hubs are evolved over time according to where traffic is flowing. 12:17:10 *** Montana_ has quit IRC 12:21:07 *** Montana_ has joined #openttd 13:14:54 *** Strom has quit IRC 13:16:35 *** Strom has joined #openttd 13:44:36 *** Etua has joined #openttd 13:44:46 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 13:44:59 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:45:14 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 14:00:17 *** Etua has quit IRC 14:02:07 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 14:09:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kneekoo commented on issue #9595: [Bug]: Localized plural strings required in certain instances https://git.io/J2uxb 14:22:31 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 14:29:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J0anJosep commented on pull request #9612: Add: Draw rotor in cursor when dragging helicopters. https://git.io/JiU63 14:42:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J0anJosep updated pull request #9612: Add: Draw rotor in cursor when dragging helicopters. https://git.io/JKBHo 14:50:55 <andythenorth> oof 14:51:01 * andythenorth has been building lego for a few days solid 14:51:08 <andythenorth> well I slept 14:51:10 <andythenorth> but otherwise 14:51:16 <andythenorth> totally lost track of time each day 14:59:22 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 15:00:02 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 15:15:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:17:00 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:20:18 *** glx has joined #openttd 15:20:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 15:53:52 *** gelignite has quit IRC 15:55:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Kuhnovic updated pull request #9616: Feature: Railways can be created "through" bridges, tunnels, stations… https://git.io/JKo5u 16:10:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #261: [pt_BR] Translator access request 🇧🇷 https://git.io/J6AFI 16:12:46 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:19:38 *** Montana_ has quit IRC 16:28:41 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:30:05 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:35:40 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 16:44:37 *** roadt_ has quit IRC 16:50:48 *** roadt has joined #openttd 17:07:23 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:22:14 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 17:22:33 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 17:54:20 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 17:58:24 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 18:05:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #9639: Feature: Ctrl-click to remove fully autoreplaced vehicles from list https://git.io/JikLE 18:09:31 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Enyuma00 opened issue #9640: [Bug]: Turning the music volume slider to 0 then back results only playing MIDI sounds at default volume https://git.io/Jikqf 18:14:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Enyuma00 opened issue #9641: [Bug]: Hardware acceleration makes the game sutter and slower https://git.io/JikYz 18:16:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Enyuma00 commented on issue #9571: [Bug]: No music or sound on Linux Debian https://git.io/JzB9f 18:20:25 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Enyuma00 commented on issue #9640: [Bug]: Turning the music volume slider to 0 then back results only playing MIDI sounds at default volume https://git.io/Jikqf 18:21:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Enyuma00 commented on issue #9641: [Bug]: Hardware acceleration makes the game sutter and slower https://git.io/JikYz 18:23:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #9639: Feature: Ctrl-click to remove fully autoreplaced vehicles from list https://git.io/JikLE 18:41:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Kuhnovic updated pull request #9616: Feature: Railways can be created "through" bridges, tunnels, stations… https://git.io/JKo5u 18:44:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Kuhnovic updated pull request #9616: Feature: Railways can be created "through" bridges, tunnels, stations… https://git.io/JKo5u 18:46:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:47:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/Jikul 18:47:56 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 19:09:59 *** Gustavo6046_ has joined #openttd 19:10:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] grenoult commented on pull request #9638: Disable competitor accident news patch https://git.io/JikKe 19:10:26 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 19:10:26 *** Gustavo6046_ is now known as Gustavo6046 19:28:27 *** ioangogo_ has quit IRC 19:29:16 *** ioangogo has joined #openttd 20:16:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on pull request #9612: Add: Draw rotor in cursor when dragging helicopters. https://git.io/JikxO 20:16:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on pull request #9612: Add: Draw rotor in cursor when dragging helicopters. https://git.io/Jikxc 20:23:21 *** nielsm has quit IRC 20:43:56 *** _aD has joined #openttd 20:46:19 *** Gustavo6046_ has joined #openttd 20:48:16 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:49:02 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 20:49:02 *** Gustavo6046_ is now known as Gustavo6046 20:50:52 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:57:25 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 20:57:52 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 21:05:47 *** Gustavo6046_ has joined #openttd 21:05:53 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 21:06:09 *** Gustavo6046_ has quit IRC 21:06:59 *** Gustavo6046_ has joined #openttd 21:09:55 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 21:09:55 *** Gustavo6046_ is now known as Gustavo6046 21:27:51 *** Samu has quit IRC 21:42:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] J0anJosep updated pull request #9612: Add: Draw rotor in cursor when dragging helicopters. https://git.io/JKBHo 21:50:12 *** Gustavo6046_ has joined #openttd 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