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01:34:31 *** glx has quit IRC 02:27:08 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:30:00 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 02:35:23 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 02:38:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] buttercup5 commented on pull request #9639: Feature: Ctrl-click to remove fully autoreplaced vehicles from list https://git.io/JX6aF 03:12:58 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:16:21 *** debdog has quit IRC 03:20:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 04:56:34 *** _aD has quit IRC 05:12:55 <while> I'm also trying to figure out if there's a way to call/invoke a C routine/function from a Squirrel routine within my AI 05:15:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] odisseus commented on pull request #9002: Change cargo age to have more effect on cargo payment. https://git.io/JXik5 05:34:04 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 05:41:38 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 05:42:39 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 05:55:22 *** azubieta60 has quit IRC 05:56:33 *** azubieta60 has joined #openttd 05:59:26 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 05:59:35 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 06:26:25 <LordAro> while: there is no way to call native functions (beyond what is defined in the API, ofc) 06:36:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rau117 started discussion #9687: Suggestion: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» butto https://git.io/JXig1 06:42:30 <LordAro> ... 06:47:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] iTKerry commented on issue #9686: [Suggestion]: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» button https://git.io/JXKbC 06:51:59 <LordAro> there's no response i can make to that that's worth anyone's time, is there? 06:55:31 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:03:12 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:11:24 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:17:35 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:19:01 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:19:37 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 08:02:41 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 08:13:02 <Xaroth> Well your response is a bit.. crass 08:16:44 <Xaroth> I mean, somebody just put in what appears to be a good amount of time writing up a suggestion, in their non-native language, and you dismiss it with a 'nah' 08:17:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9686: [Suggestion]: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» button https://git.io/JXKbC 08:18:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:21:11 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:23:58 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:24:54 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:25:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rau117 commented on issue #9686: [Suggestion]: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» button https://git.io/JXKbC 08:26:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:27:23 *** lobster has joined #openttd 08:28:49 *** lobstarooo has joined #openttd 08:33:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:35:26 *** lobster has quit IRC 08:35:30 *** lobstarooo is now known as lobster 08:37:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9686: [Suggestion]: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» button https://git.io/JXKbC 08:42:21 <TrueBrain> Nice he admits he knew it was the wrong place .. I love it that I do not have to guess peoples intention :) 08:59:04 <LordAro> thanks TrueBrain :) 08:59:53 <LordAro> Xaroth: you're not wrong 09:00:45 <LordAro> Rau has previous form for trying to trample over people they disagree with, and I couldn't be bothered dealing with it further 09:01:01 <LordAro> (especially when they definitely had chance to voice opinions in the original signal gui PR) 09:02:40 <LordAro> also, I suspect they encourage brigading of issues where they're not getting their own way 09:02:51 <LordAro> (though have no proof of this) 09:27:27 *** tokai has joined #openttd 09:27:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 09:33:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on discussion #9687: Suggestion: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» btn https://git.io/JXig1 09:33:31 * LordAro grabs some popcorn for himself 09:34:27 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 09:57:29 <Xaroth> LordAro: you weren't wrong either, it's just that people who don't know the story behind it will only see one side of the coin :) 09:58:29 <LordAro> indeed 10:12:17 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 10:15:48 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 10:15:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 10:22:41 *** tokai has quit IRC 10:26:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge merged pull request #9684: Change: Explicitly specify SHA1 for legacy code signing on Windows https://git.io/JXol9 11:00:42 <while> LordAro: thank you 11:08:09 *** Etua has joined #openttd 11:20:20 *** Etua has quit IRC 11:34:52 *** Etua has joined #openttd 11:39:45 * andythenorth doesn't reply to those 11:40:04 <andythenorth> the world struggles with "largely we don't pay any attention to suggestions, why would we?" 11:40:39 * andythenorth made a video guide to it 15 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S90kfeD1P6I 11:45:26 <Timberwolf> The world struggles with, "people who've spend many years maintaining and extending a game have a good track record of spotting the difference between a widespread issue and a vocal minority" 11:46:55 <LordAro> andythenorth: that is... a thing 11:46:58 <LordAro> :D 11:50:46 <andythenorth> I mean I have literally spent 20 years now building products for democracy 11:51:05 <andythenorth> but undifferentiated feedback or 'suggestions' is really just not useful for getting anything done 11:51:12 <andythenorth> nor for democratic accountability :P 11:51:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 11:51:25 <andythenorth> fortunately we don't have to be democratically accountable here 11:53:47 *** Etua has quit IRC 12:00:00 <Timberwolf> Clearly we need lobbying. 12:00:33 <Timberwolf> Offer TrueBrain €150,000/year for 3 hours per month "consulting", then the signal dialog can be whatever you want it to be. 12:04:32 <LordAro> i misread "consulting" as "counselling" 12:05:18 <andythenorth> 'cash for questions' 12:20:34 *** tokai has joined #openttd 12:20:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 12:21:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on discussion #9687: Suggestion: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» btn https://git.io/JXig1 12:27:36 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 12:31:19 <dP> oh, #9474 was never merged, no wonder I didn't recall seeing it 12:57:25 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rau117 commented on discussion #9687: Suggestion: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» btn https://git.io/JXig1 12:57:46 * LordAro readies popcorn 12:57:50 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 13:08:04 <dP> no popcorn for actors :p 13:09:15 <LordAro> i can see the default signal type being removed being annoying 13:10:54 <LordAro> it resetting for each game session could be annoying 13:13:11 <dP> yeah, I think I even mentioned that in initial pr 13:16:00 <LordAro> i'd have no issues getting rid of it from the settings GUI though 13:16:22 <dP> also https://github.com/vituscze/OpenTTD/commit/ba7b0390bf62607cf59be918db12b2b17debafe3 13:16:32 <dP> idk why he never PRed it 14:22:25 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 14:22:25 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 14:29:20 *** tokai has quit IRC 14:40:38 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:40:51 *** k_ has joined #openttd 15:42:59 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 15:46:12 *** berndj has quit IRC 15:46:20 *** berndj has joined #openttd 16:04:33 *** lobstarooo has joined #openttd 16:09:07 *** lobster has quit IRC 16:09:13 *** lobstarooo is now known as lobster 16:16:46 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:35:47 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:41:28 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:30:08 *** urdh has quit IRC 17:41:35 <andythenorth> quak 17:41:51 <frosch123> moo 17:42:31 <frosch123> andythenorth: How is the tram-2-rail DLC l proposed going? Is it still just an idea, is it being programmed or is it already uploaded, ready to apply? 17:42:57 <andythenorth> it is nearly ready to apply 17:43:08 <andythenorth> just the final 100% to do 17:43:35 <andythenorth> but the main thing is that the idea exists, and ideas are the valuable part 17:43:42 * andythenorth may be telling some lies 17:44:14 <frosch123> on sunday i thought it was a regular 13yo 17:44:30 <frosch123> but with that 3-day follow up, i am not sure :p 17:57:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on discussion #9687: Suggestion: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» btn https://git.io/JXig1 18:52:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JXMSl 18:52:10 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 19:05:36 *** urdh has joined #openttd 19:05:49 <frosch123> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt21QjNdA98&t=1s <- the first 3:30 are a piece of art for ux design :) 19:06:32 <frosch123> at first i thought that was intentional, but the remaining 6 minutes are normal 19:07:15 <frosch123> (2:40 is my personal highlight) 19:07:40 <nielsm> "ASMR Gaming" -- blasts openmsx with a kinda bad soundfont 19:08:07 <frosch123> true, music is very loud, but you can mute it 19:08:13 <frosch123> nothing is said 19:08:38 <LordAro> default windows soundfont, i think 19:08:46 <nielsm> nope 19:08:54 <nielsm> quite sure it isn't 19:09:08 * LordAro defers to nielsm 19:09:19 <LordAro> you've definitely spent more time with soundfonts than i have :p 19:11:07 <nielsm> tbh I rarely listen to windows' built in synth nowadays, after getting some old hardware GM synths 19:17:59 <LordAro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuJy9oCdUns regardless, clearly this is the best version 19:22:19 <frosch123> is that from the mobile version? or unrelated? 19:22:31 <nielsm> unrelated I think 19:22:47 <nielsm> apart from the mobile version probably making broomhall revisit the compositions 19:23:32 <LordAro> featured in the mobile versions, but i'm pretty sure this predates it 19:24:44 <frosch123> hmm, video title says 2014, forum section says 2013, video description says "for the 2014 re-release" 19:24:52 <frosch123> people can't agree on years :) 19:27:38 *** Etua has joined #openttd 19:41:46 *** Etua has quit IRC 20:03:04 * andythenorth having adventures in low-code / no-code 20:03:10 <andythenorth> it involves writing code, in a GUI 20:04:01 <frosch123> it's a success if your customers use it. it's a disaster if you have to use it or give support 20:04:17 <nielsm> ah yes the "if you aren't using the keyboard to type textual code then it isn't code" school of thought? 20:04:58 <andythenorth> looks somewhat like https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1780327/141185401-53f46cb3-7ac0-4175-a7d1-081809170e54.png 20:05:26 <andythenorth> I was hoping it would be rather better than it is 20:05:27 <frosch123> nielsm: it's important if "those who make the buy decision" are not "those who use it" 20:05:34 <nielsm> store some data, aggregate some arrays, do some maths, then send an email. cool. 20:05:52 <andythenorth> it eliminates everything to do with hosting production code 20:05:54 <frosch123> managers/buyers are very happy if they *think* they understand something 20:05:54 <andythenorth> which is good 20:06:02 <andythenorth> it is *not* no-code 20:06:10 <andythenorth> it is not even low-code 20:06:16 <andythenorth> it's just low boilerplate 20:06:20 <andythenorth> and 'no deps hassles' 20:06:47 <andythenorth> it's both better and worse than I expected 20:10:18 <andythenorth> actually using this requires fairly substantial engineering skill 20:10:45 <andythenorth> just not the kind that spends all day dealing with 'oh the deps are broken again, wtf is it this time?' 20:11:11 <frosch123> the problem is: using it requires more skill than you think when just looking at it :) 20:11:28 <frosch123> that's why it's cool if you can sell it, but do not have to use it 20:12:15 <andythenorth> 'cool' is definitely not the word I have been using today :) 20:13:04 <frosch123> so the customer was older than 35 :p 20:13:49 <andythenorth> the customer is sitting very close to me 20:13:59 <andythenorth> and looks just like me 20:15:19 <frosch123> can your kids use it? 20:17:00 <andythenorth> hmm 20:17:03 <andythenorth> unknown :) 20:17:13 <andythenorth> it's probably quite similar to Scratch 20:17:33 <andythenorth> https://cdn-media-1.freecodecamp.org/images/0*oDbEFNhoM75KOnvF. 20:17:43 <andythenorth> meh bad link 20:18:21 <andythenorth> editable irc when? :P 20:20:16 <frosch123> irc is logged in realtime into underground storage, and replicated in a nuclear-safe way. everything you say on irc is useable in court in original, non-modified form 20:20:38 <andythenorth> original internet 20:20:44 <andythenorth> survives the death of civilisation 20:22:01 <frosch123> in one of the many "the timemachine" movies, the protagonist finds some remnants of "the internet" 20:22:31 <frosch123> and the bot recognized them as: aren't you the guy who inquired about the existence of time travel 2000 years ago? 20:22:38 <andythenorth> ha 20:23:18 <Timberwolf> We use one of those "no-code" platforms, that in reality is quite code-intensive, but it saves time because it's basically a big pile of the sort of things you'd spend ages boilerplating like "make an editable reflection of a database table in the browser" 20:23:46 * andythenorth has great hopes 20:24:01 <Timberwolf> I suspect some of the time it saves is just because there's no real engineering process like testing or code review. 20:24:22 * andythenorth hopes for a world where we don't have discussions like 'well we could write a python app and run it on a jenkins job' 20:24:25 <andythenorth> but then we don't 20:24:27 <Timberwolf> Also it ends up costing a bunch of time because the people who make it keep adding features and ignoring all the bits they've broken. 20:24:31 <andythenorth> because bigger fish to fry 20:24:58 <frosch123> do you generate python code from the drawn graph? 20:25:02 <andythenorth> ha 20:25:23 <Timberwolf> But, still addictively useful for "we just need an internal user to be able to configure this database table with some basic guard rails in place" things. 20:25:43 <andythenorth> I have been using a web CMS for years where you can just write raw python in a web GUI 20:26:11 <andythenorth> it has many problems, but it is incredibly powerful and I can write internal tools without needing engineers 20:26:33 <andythenorth> but it doesn't play well in the world of remote APIs and webhooks 20:28:24 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 20:39:07 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 20:46:07 * andythenorth considers building grf publishing pipeline in integromat :P 20:46:14 <andythenorth> can we have bananas support pls? :P 20:46:23 <andythenorth> https://www.integromat.com/en 20:50:03 *** Speeder has joined #openttd 20:51:07 <LordAro> msys 'cd ${CI_PROJECT_DIR_MSYS}/langkit/langkit/templates/python_api && cp module_py.mako module_py.makoclean && sed \"/LoadLibrary/i list(os.add_dll_directory(path) for path in os.environ[\\"PATH\\"].split(os.path.pathsep) if os.path.exists(path))\" module_py.makoclean > module_py.mako && git diff' 20:51:17 <LordAro> i think this might be the single worst line of code/script i've ever written 20:54:01 <frosch123> andythenorth: https://www.integromat.com/en/integration/2111-use-json-generator-to-create-a-json-data-structure-and-make-an-http-request-sendgrid-example 20:54:12 <frosch123> it has no swagger/openapi thingie, just plain json 20:56:07 <andythenorth> hmm such things :D 20:57:56 <Wolf01> I need a pipeline which programs for me 21:02:51 <andythenorth> I have been seeking that for 20 years 21:02:57 <andythenorth> I somewhat call it 'employees' 21:05:20 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:21:22 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:26:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 21:28:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 21:32:48 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:35:55 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 21:47:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 21:53:05 *** _aD has joined #openttd 22:06:54 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:41:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:50:20 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:55:16 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:43:51 *** lobster has quit IRC