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Log for #openttd on 2nd April 2022:
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06:37:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #9842: Fix: No longer open a duplicate multiplayer window upon canceling password entry https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9842#pullrequestreview-929537290
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07:10:32  <andythenorth> yo
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08:37:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #9736: [Bug]: Multiplayer window doubles when exiting password entering is cancelled https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9736
08:37:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9842: Fix: No longer open a duplicate multiplayer window upon canceling password entry https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9842
08:40:17  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9828 backport or not? :)
08:41:24  <TrueBrain> I rolled a dice, it said: yes
08:41:59  <nielsm> it's kind of a gameplay balance change tho
08:42:15  <TrueBrain> balance being the correct word .. but yeah, that is why I was in doubt :)
08:42:21  <TrueBrain> it is not really a feature, so it kinda is okay?
08:43:01  <nielsm> but it's not quite a bugfix either
08:43:26  <TrueBrain> well, the rule is: no new features :P :D But again .. I am well aware this can roll both ways :P
08:43:35  <TrueBrain> so pick an opinion, and lets go with it
08:43:40  <TrueBrain> there is no right and wrong here :)
08:44:17  <nielsm> I'd rather save it for a major release
08:44:20  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9792 is marked as backport, but that is not a clean backport .. it depends on other work ..
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08:45:32  <TrueBrain> do I dare to guess I backported it correctly, hmmm
08:48:38  <LordAro> oh yeah, we didn't do a release yesterday
08:48:40  <LordAro> oops
08:50:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9843: Backport master into release/12 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9843
08:50:13  <TrueBrain> I think I got them all
08:51:24  <TrueBrain> now to remember how to make an actual release ... I kinda forgot :P
08:52:48  <TrueBrain> I am still shocked my script "just works", for backporting .. I like that I made it :)
08:53:30  <TrueBrain> and I did the "remember signal" patch right \o/
08:53:41  <LordAro> could probably skip the 2 'gon' commits :p
08:53:46  <LordAro> \o/
08:53:48  <TrueBrain> could, but was too lazy :P
08:53:50  <LordAro> :D
08:54:09  <TrueBrain> right, step one .. generate a changelog .. eeeuuuuhhhhh
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08:57:21  <TrueBrain> Fix #9735: Fix OrderBackup::Reset in non-GUI case
08:57:27  <TrueBrain> ugh, that commit message is not helping me at all :P
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08:59:02  <michi_cc> Announcement message idea: https://gist.github.com/michicc/bae02a6faaab911efbc0555f19b6c4c0
08:59:43  <nielsm> seems fine to me
09:00:22  <LordAro> excellent
09:00:49  <TrueBrain> maybe joke about the fact we didn't do it 1st of april too? :P
09:01:01  <LordAro> TrueBrain: "Possible desync when selling vehicle"
09:01:07  <TrueBrain> fair
09:01:25  <LordAro> " and rebuilding depot"
09:01:27  <TrueBrain> I am not that sharp this early in the weekend :P
09:01:56  <michi_cc> Feel free to comment on the gist.
09:03:13  <michi_cc> Updated announcement with a new revision incorporating April 1st.
09:06:47  <michi_cc> And supply chain issues are very real, at least if you try to get physical industrial parts. Its crazy how much things are currently completely falling apart behind the scenes.
09:06:49  <TrueBrain> https://collabedit.com/kfkd5 <- LordAro time for your magic I think :P
09:07:15  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: please don't drag my dayjob in this channel, k, tnx :P :P
09:07:21  <TrueBrain> it is insane ..
09:11:03  <TrueBrain> that website didn't get better since last time we used it .. constantly disconnecting me :P
09:12:43  <TrueBrain> glx marked #9536 as to-be-backported. It is in my last non-merged PR, so I can remove it
09:13:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9843: Backport master into release/12 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9843
09:13:42  <LordAro> having read the description, it's arguably a fix
09:13:49  <TrueBrain> too late now :P
09:13:54  <LordAro> :(
09:13:57  <TrueBrain> it is on similar as the earlier PR I linked
09:14:02  <TrueBrain> and that was ruled for "not for 12"
09:14:03  <TrueBrain> :)
09:14:29  <TrueBrain> it changes gameplay, I guess .. so after updating to 12.2, your game acts differently
09:14:37  <TrueBrain> I think we should try to avoid those cases
09:14:46  <LordAro> yeah
09:15:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9536: Change: Deliver cargo to the closest industry first https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9536#issuecomment-1086598375
09:20:40  <TrueBrain> sometimes so hard to not write what the fix is, but what it actually fixes, in these lines :P
09:22:06  <TrueBrain> right, "good enough for me"
09:23:00  <LordAro> oh that's fun, don't add emojis
09:23:02  <LordAro> it breaks
09:23:11  <TrueBrain> lol
09:23:40  <TrueBrain> now all I need is an approval on #9843 :)
09:24:01  <LordAro> did you do any review of non-backported PRs?
09:24:20  <TrueBrain> I walked the list, and marked a shitton as " to be backported "
09:24:21  <TrueBrain> before I made the PR
09:26:47  <LordAro> LGTM
09:27:20  <LordAro> ...did you try playing with the build? :p
09:27:35  <TrueBrain> I even did that!
09:27:39  <LordAro> :o
09:27:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc opened pull request #234: Add: 12.2 release announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/234
09:28:02  <TrueBrain> no promises, ofc
09:28:29  <michi_cc> Slap a preview on and check a second time?
09:28:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #9843: Backport master into release/12 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9843#pullrequestreview-929553054
09:29:07  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: if you like to, sure :)
09:29:25  <LordAro> looks like it's going to have to be force-merged because of the windows ci change anyway
09:29:37  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls?page=1&q=is%3Apr+is%3Amerged+-label%3A%22backport+requested%22+merged%3A%3E%3D2021-11-08+-label%3A%22backported%22
09:29:48  <TrueBrain> list of things not in 12 (that will be in 13), give or take
09:30:03  <TrueBrain> (all the PRs merged after 12.1 till now, is what that list is)
09:31:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain commented on pull request #234: Add: 12.2 release announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/234#issuecomment-1086601059
09:31:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain approved pull request #234: Add: 12.2 release announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/234#pullrequestreview-929553302
09:37:19  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: I sneakily changed the original PR description :)
09:37:45  <TrueBrain> perfect :)
09:42:58  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: preview ready, let me know if you find issues :)
09:46:02  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: Seems fine.
09:46:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9843: Backport master into release/12 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9843
09:47:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9844: Doc: Prepare for 12.2 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9844
09:47:19  <TrueBrain> still shocked that all we have to do for a release, is update the changelog .. lol
09:47:25  <TrueBrain> there used to be so much more involved
09:47:41  <LordAro> isn't automation wonderful?
09:47:59  <TrueBrain> now I need to explain that at work :P :P
09:48:18  <LordAro> we're working on it :)
09:48:39  <TrueBrain> work faster! Wait, what? :P
09:48:50  <LordAro> part of our release process currently involves a member of the QA team rerunning their set of tests on their own machine, rather than trusting what comes out of the build servers
09:49:21  <TrueBrain> ha :D Our involves manual copy/paste of some files on some fileshare for the release to use the right components .. what could POSSIBLY go wrong :P
09:49:38  <LordAro> oh, there's definitely a bit of that too
09:49:53  <LordAro> making all of that stuff go away when we move to git
09:49:57  <TrueBrain> I always love these companies .. like they missed the boat 10 years ago, and just kept doing what-ever-it-was they were doing :D
09:50:04  <LordAro> completely rewriting the development workflow is fun :D
09:50:16  <TrueBrain> especially as you see it speeds up development :)
09:50:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #9844: Doc: Prepare for 12.2 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9844#issuecomment-1086604322
09:50:32  <LordAro> that's the hope, certainly
09:50:47  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: I checked the last release commit?
09:50:55  <TrueBrain> I must be blind
09:50:56  <TrueBrain> holy crap
09:51:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9844: Doc: Prepare for 12.2 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9844
09:51:24  <TrueBrain> tnx for spotting that
09:51:27  <TrueBrain> I double checked twice ...
09:51:30  <TrueBrain> I ... wth :P
09:51:38  <TrueBrain> getting old :'(
09:51:48  <TrueBrain> ah, I checked 12.0-RC1 ... lol
09:52:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #9844: Doc: Prepare for 12.2 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9844#pullrequestreview-929554886
09:52:45  <TrueBrain> I guess I don't have to wait for the CI on this?
09:53:09  <LordAro> such admin power abuse
09:54:31  <TrueBrain> it doesn't actually matter for when the release rolls out, so meh :P
09:54:43  <michi_cc> I guess we can spin up the website staging too.
09:54:44  <TrueBrain> we are restricted by the amount of workers that can be active :)
09:54:58  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: yup
09:54:59  <michi_cc> Or will it slow down the relase CI? :)
09:55:41  <TrueBrain> nah, most of that work is done by Cloudflare :)
09:56:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc merged pull request #234: Add: 12.2 release announcement https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/234
10:01:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9844: Doc: Prepare for 12.2 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9844
10:01:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain created new tag: 12.2 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/releases/tag/12.2
10:02:38  <TrueBrain> and now, we wait
10:03:02  <TrueBrain> owh, and I have to remember things like GOG etc .. eeeuuuuuhhhhhh
10:04:33  <michi_cc> Will do the website and other socials when all links are in place.
10:04:46  <TrueBrain> cool, tnx :)
10:05:49  <TrueBrain> I will do GOG and Steam (also the news) in that case :)
10:08:11  <michi_cc> Hmm, "Linux (Distros) (ubuntu:20.10, groovy, g++)
10:08:11  <michi_cc>  Process completed with exit code 100."
10:09:51  <TrueBrain> oh-oh ...
10:10:06  <michi_cc> Failure in apt update
10:10:20  <TrueBrain> groovy no longer exists
10:10:25  <TrueBrain> on the ubuntu CDN
10:11:00  <TrueBrain> guess we are cancelling 12.2 :P
10:11:19  <michi_cc> See, supply chain issues :p
10:11:20  <TrueBrain> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ <- no longer mentions groovy
10:11:38  <michi_cc> So we cancel groovy, too? :)
10:11:47  <TrueBrain> LordAro: what do we do with this?
10:13:14  <TrueBrain> I think we should build LTS only for now
10:15:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9845: Fix: [Actions] Remove Ubuntu:groovy from release pipeline https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9845
10:16:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #9846: Fix: [Actions] Remove Ubuntu:groovy from release pipeline https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9846
10:19:02  <TrueBrain> that will keep the CI busy for a bit :P
10:30:06  <TrueBrain> any approvals pretty please? :P
10:33:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #9846: Fix: [Actions] Remove Ubuntu:groovy from release pipeline https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9846#pullrequestreview-929558191
10:34:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #9845: Fix: [Actions] Remove Ubuntu:groovy from release pipeline https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9845#pullrequestreview-929558207
10:34:27  <TrueBrain> ty!
10:36:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9845: Fix: [Actions] Remove Ubuntu:groovy from release pipeline https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9845
10:36:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9846: Fix: [Actions] Remove Ubuntu:groovy from release pipeline https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9846
10:37:02  <TrueBrain> shall we try this again? :P
10:37:36  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain created new tag: 12.2 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/releases/tag/12.2
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11:12:45  <frosch123> fake news, i got a mail about a release :)
11:18:36  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/website] michicc created new tag: 1.4.42 https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/releases/tag/1.4.42
11:22:22  <TrueBrain> Pushed to Steam too
11:22:26  <TrueBrain> now lets see about GOG ..
11:23:56  <TrueBrain> `[ERROR] Couldn't connect to GOG.com servers`
11:23:58  <TrueBrain> eeuuhhh :P
11:25:00  <TrueBrain> works a second attempt
11:25:02  <TrueBrain> weird
11:25:42  <TrueBrain>  7.32it/s] <- what is it/s? :D
11:26:11  <frosch123> non-binary bits
11:26:37  <frosch123> bits can be true, false and diverse
11:28:04  <TrueBrain> strange world
11:31:08  <TrueBrain> GOG also updated
11:32:34  <michi_cc> Socials done and dusted.
11:32:40  <TrueBrain> nice :D
11:33:01  <michi_cc> Oh, what's up with Windows Store (orudge?)
11:33:06  <frosch123> @topic set 1 12.2
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11:33:18  <TrueBrain> yeah, that is the one that isn't automated yet .. so yeah, orudge :)
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11:39:26  <Wolf01> \o/
11:43:04  <frosch123> translating ottd wiki is quite a chore. someone is currently translating pages into italian, but after translating a page, they have to fix 10+ pages linking to the old english page
11:59:33  <FLHerne> ope
11:59:54  <FLHerne> oops
12:19:15  <Wolf01> Translating games without a story and massive talking sequences is really useless :|
12:20:36  <frosch123> massive talking sequences without story? not sure whether the issue is with "translating" :)
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13:03:04  <Wolf01> I'm fine with technical details (item names, menus etc) in english, I found many times translations so bad which things in italian were not understandable at all (for example in terraria), but I think that were just automated translations, also I have troubles understanding guides/walkthroughts/wikis when translated
13:05:53  <Wolf01> I think the problem is because most of the translators do the translation literally instead of rewriting it in their own language... like when dubs in games and movies are "wrong" because the actor doesn't even know what is dubbing
13:10:43  <frosch123> at some point my old employer decided to switch the base language from german to english. someone wrote a script to switch the german source texts with the externally translated english texts.
13:11:08  <frosch123> for most developers that was the first time, they saw the english translations for the software
13:11:27  <frosch123> there were quite some surprises and huge piles of nonsense
13:11:44  <frosch123> especially considering the english translations were used as base for yet other translations :)
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14:38:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on issue #9813: [Bug]: After removing 'full load any cargo', trains sometimes keep waiting for a full load https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9813
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15:45:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on issue #9813: [Bug]: After removing 'full load any cargo', trains sometimes keep waiting for a full load https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9813
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17:57:39  <FLHerne> Congrats on the release
17:58:32  <FLHerne> fwiw, my absence recently is because I now live on a tiny boat, all subsystems of which were broken in some way when I bought it
17:59:38  <FLHerne> I don't know how many blue pixels a 31ft narrowboat is
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18:06:50  <andythenorth> does it have fibre broadband?
18:25:11  <nielsm> a narrow boat sounds like it won't support broad band
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18:40:17  <FLHerne> Does ADSL-over-wet-string count?
18:40:51  <FLHerne> (I know at least one UK ISP has demonstrated that working for the hell of it)
18:42:10  <FLHerne> but more seriously, I'm hoping with my dual-SIM phone I can get usable speeds enough of the time
18:42:31  <michi_cc> Starlink available whereever you are?
18:42:45  <FLHerne> plan B is the highest-gain antenna I can find on a 20ft pole
18:42:58  <FLHerne> Yeah, but I don
18:43:37  <FLHerne> 't have 70W available to run it continuously
18:44:18  <FLHerne> and they don't have proper support for roaming yet
18:44:38  <FLHerne> (and it's really expensive)
19:28:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Shituation commented on issue #9797: [Bug]: Unbearable city ambient sounds https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9797
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19:56:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] maaaaaaaaaad commented on issue #7897: Can't insert new order... Vehicle can't go to that station (Maglev Train) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7897
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20:06:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #9833: Feature: Allow disabling local authority control of company actions https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9833#issuecomment-1086713784
20:09:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7897: Can't insert new order... Vehicle can't go to that station (Maglev Train) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7897
20:24:13  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9833: Feature: Allow disabling local authority control of company actions https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9833#issuecomment-1086716515
20:24:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] maaaaaaaaaad commented on issue #7897: Can't insert new order... Vehicle can't go to that station (Maglev Train) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7897
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20:39:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] Rivarossi opened issue #307: [it_IT] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/307
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20:50:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9833: Feature: Allow disabling local authority control of company actions https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9833
20:52:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Shituation opened issue #9847: [Feature]: Disable terraforming until X years passed for a company. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9847
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20:56:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Shituation commented on issue #9839: [Bug]: Vsync kills the game smoothness, turning it off restores smoothness but gives tear screen lines https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9839
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21:08:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #307: [it_IT] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/307
21:11:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Leo512bit commented on pull request #9832: Change: Vanilla industry tiles have 8/8 acceptance https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9832#issuecomment-1086725186
21:33:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] goofyseeker311 commented on issue #9839: [Bug]: Vsync kills the game smoothness, turning it off restores smoothness but gives tear screen lines https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9839
21:41:22  <andythenorth> Can we have a setting to turn settings on or off?
21:41:43  <andythenorth> Settings: more settings | fewer settings | old style settings
21:41:47  <andythenorth> then we can have
21:41:58  <andythenorth> Setting settings: 3 setting settings
21:42:09  <andythenorth> and we remove old style settings
21:42:30  <andythenorth> so  can then have
21:42:45  <andythenorth> Setting settings: 2 setting settings
21:43:00  <andythenorth> Then we can have a setting for that of course, but it might be silly
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21:53:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #9839: [Bug]: Vsync kills the game smoothness, turning it off restores smoothness but gives tear screen lines https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9839
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22:04:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] goofyseeker311 commented on issue #9839: [Bug]: Vsync kills the game smoothness, turning it off restores smoothness but gives tear screen lines https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9839
22:04:58  <glx> let's just remove vsync option then :)
22:06:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] goofyseeker311 commented on issue #9839: [Bug]: Vsync kills the game smoothness, turning it off restores smoothness but gives tear screen lines https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/9839
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