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01:02:11 *** Wormnest_ has joined #openttd 01:02:11 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:07:24 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 03:01:17 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:04:51 *** debdog has quit IRC 03:24:25 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 03:32:46 *** Tirili has quit IRC 04:51:38 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 05:54:36 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 08:40:41 *** nielsm has quit IRC 08:57:51 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 10:08:55 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137688749732544522/image.png 10:08:55 <truebrain> That is what we like to see 🙂 10:16:09 <alfagamma_0007> Great savings 10:36:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #445: [pt_BR] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/445 11:51:59 <peter1138> Andy's MacBook Pro would be cheaper 12:04:01 <andythenorth> peter1138: Would have to MAMP stack though 12:04:10 <andythenorth> For modern hosting 12:04:52 <peter1138> Is that Apache, MySQL and PHP? Be complete opposite of modern... 12:09:30 <truebrain> grrr, I am having a battle with cache-control, and I am losing 12:09:32 <truebrain> that is annoying 😛 12:09:56 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 12:10:18 <truebrain> I should never have used the same URL for logged in and not-logged in users 12:10:46 <andythenorth> peter1138: Yes, but it’s the recommended stack on HN comments 12:10:51 <truebrain> (I found out that the wiki HTML isn't actually cached .. which I was attempting to fix, as it would improve performance .. but yeah, tricky) 12:11:08 <peter1138> Oh, of course it is. 12:12:44 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 12:14:44 *** Mears has joined #openttd 12:21:15 <truebrain> okay, Cloudflare only offers a solution in a higher-paid plan ... so this is not going to work 😦 Boooeeeee .. I wanted to have better user experience by caching the non-logged in variants on the edge .. 12:21:20 <truebrain> guess that is not happening 🙂 12:25:21 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 12:32:34 <truebrain> oeh, but I can just make my own Cloudflare Worker with the logic I need, meaning I don't need a Business Plan 😛 13:20:35 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:13:00 <andythenorth> truebrain: Honestly, wait until my holiday is over, then we can just use my MBP 14:17:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #11141: Add: [Script] Game script control of industry production level. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11141 14:17:53 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #11141: Add: [Script] Game script control of industry production level. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11141#issuecomment-1666875624 14:18:27 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137751545686007828/image.png 14:18:58 <brickblock19280> train is pink every where but in the train info window 14:19:06 <alfagamma_0007> Strange 14:19:40 <brickblock19280> this might be solved by now tho idk 14:20:36 <andythenorth> michiccviaGitHub: Can’t test that until later this month, but thanks 🙂 14:20:43 <brickblock19280> I don't know if the grf is coded correctly either 14:29:48 <_glx_> articulated engine ? 14:29:51 <brickblock19280> yes 14:30:18 <_glx_> it's <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11162> 😉 14:30:18 <brickblock19280> it isn't being considered a diesel loco for some reason 14:30:34 <brickblock19280> it doesn't work in master 14:30:43 <brickblock19280> or nightlies 14:32:15 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137755021107281940/image.png 14:33:00 <brickblock19280> it isn't different this time so my grf code is probably wrong 14:33:04 <_glx_> hmm but it should be green on track too (based on the color scheme) 14:39:02 <brickblock19280> yeah 14:40:11 <_glx_> maybe incorrect engine class 14:43:53 <brickblock19280> that has already been ruled out it uses the diesel passenger wagon class 14:43:54 <_glx_> or issue in handling it 14:44:45 <_glx_> so yeah diesel is detected, but for some reason it thinks it's not an engine 14:46:49 <_glx_> maybe it's something with power, it must me 0 for articulated parts but that also determine wagons 14:47:30 <_glx_> just guessing, I didn't check the code 14:47:32 <brickblock19280> could be that the part correct part doesn't have it but I don't know which one that would be 14:54:02 <brickblock19280> yeah power is only on the front part which makes the rest wagons 14:54:35 <brickblock19280> I think that it should still use the loco one tho 14:54:47 <brickblock19280> the nml docs also have it like that 14:58:35 <_glx_> code seems to use front in this case 15:04:07 <brickblock19280> it doesn't seem to looking at what is happening 15:04:22 <brickblock19280> I just checked and the power is in the first part 15:06:37 <_glx_> <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/src/vehicle.cpp#L1879> <-- seems the last check can't work 15:10:22 <peter1138> Oh, fix one thing, break another? 15:12:03 <brickblock19280> I am not sure I think andythenorth had a similar problem with horse at some point 15:12:27 <peter1138> Hmm, no, it's not really related to that other issue. 15:13:22 <_glx_> I think livery determination never worked properly for articulated 15:13:38 <peter1138> The thing I changed made it consistent at least 🙂 15:14:13 <_glx_> articulated parts are always RAILVEH_WAGON 15:28:14 <_glx_> <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/2642> and <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/336fda62bec39eb9ad1ee966a23faa0886a75309> 15:33:57 <_glx_> oh the `!= RAILVEH_WAGON` was introduced in <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/07c34b2628b821e03fa3b996508897a763469107> 15:42:33 <_glx_> hard to tell when the issue really started 16:10:27 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:10:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] evepoi opened issue #303: Prevent train overturning `misc_flags` function https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/303 16:13:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] Brickblock1 commented on issue #303: Prevent train overturning `misc_flags` function https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/303 16:14:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] 2TallTyler commented on issue #303: Prevent train overturning `misc_flags` function https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/303 16:18:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] evepoi commented on issue #303: Prevent train overturning `misc_flags` function https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/303 16:24:29 <_glx_> oh it's about reversing maybe 16:57:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #11124: Fix #10334: Store separate newgrf-safe version of date_of_last_service https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11124#issuecomment-1666919906 16:57:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #11124: Fix #10334: Store separate newgrf-safe version of date_of_last_service https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11124 16:57:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed issue #10334: [Crash]: Unsafe NewGRF use of date_of_last_service crashes after using date cheat https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10334 16:57:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed pull request #10721: Fix #10334: Store separate newgrf-safe version of date_of_last_service. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10721 16:57:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] 2TallTyler commented on issue #303: Prevent train overturning `misc_flags` function https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/303 17:01:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] Brickblock1 commented on issue #303: Prevent train overturning `misc_flags` function https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/issues/303 17:05:41 *** esselfe has quit IRC 17:16:02 <FLHerne> I think there are some serious translation issues with that issue 17:23:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #11169: Fix #10478: Clarify airport noise control setting texts https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11169 17:41:45 <alfagamma_0007> https://groups.google.com/g/vim_announce/c/tWahca9zkt4?pli=1 18:05:06 <talltyler> Oof, the age-old UI struggle: "what colour do I make this text?" 18:05:30 <talltyler> In any other project it would be, "follow the standard" but this is OpenTTD 😛 18:09:19 <frosch123> talltyler: we even have a style guide https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Development/GUI%20Style%20Guide 18:09:59 <frosch123> not sure anyone follows it, but it was also like that at my at-work places 18:10:09 <frosch123> so pretty normal for a gui design guide 18:10:40 <talltyler> If only it covered text colour 😦 18:10:58 <talltyler> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137810059406102538/orange-black.png 18:10:58 <talltyler> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137810059758411936/white-black.png 18:10:58 <talltyler> Both of these are bad, even worse than black/black 18:11:39 <talltyler> Let's try black/orange 18:11:45 <frosch123> the left one looks al right to me 18:14:46 <talltyler> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137811016458195055/black-orange.png 18:14:46 <talltyler> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137811016806301747/black-white.png 18:14:46 <talltyler> A couple more variations 18:15:11 <talltyler> Not sure if I want to touch orange and white together, as that might draw too much attention 18:15:22 <talltyler> I'm currently thinking black/orange 18:15:53 <frosch123> definitely not white, 3 text colours is too much 18:16:04 <talltyler> That narrows it down nicely 🙂 18:16:15 <talltyler> Black/orange it is 18:20:33 <talltyler> How many towns is it possible to have? Is that based on some pool size? 18:20:51 <frosch123> usally the name generator limits it 18:21:24 <frosch123> typedef Pool<Town, TownID, 64, 64000> TownPool; <- 64000 is definitely max 18:21:27 <talltyler> Sure, but if I have a function that counts...what's a good return type? 18:21:58 <talltyler> So that would be a `uint16_t`? 18:22:18 <frosch123> you only need explicit ints in savegames 18:22:25 <frosch123> for a function result use uint or size_t 18:23:40 <talltyler> Ah, thanks 🙂 18:24:13 <talltyler> Did I read in a PR somewhere that someone (TB?) wanted to switch to `unsigned int` instead of `uint`? 18:24:57 <frosch123> sounds unlikely to me :p noone used "unsigned int" :p 18:25:21 <frosch123> there is proably some discussion to switch to std uint16_t instead our own uint16 18:25:25 <talltyler> I must be mis-remembering 🙂 18:25:32 <talltyler> Yes, I remember watching that discussion 18:26:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #11170: Feature: Count the number of towns and cities in town directory https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11170 18:29:13 <locosage> these stats don't really belong in the town list 18:30:46 <brickblock19280> where else? 18:30:52 <locosage> can probably use a dedicated window for all the stuff 18:31:15 <locosage> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137815166201897031/Screenshot_from_2023-08-06_22-31-00.png 18:31:15 <locosage> along with things like 18:31:50 <brickblock19280> but that is company specific 18:31:57 <locosage> no, that's total 18:32:03 <locosage> company specific is in company window 18:32:13 <brickblock19280> why have that global tho? 18:32:28 <locosage> to know when game lags to death xD 18:33:54 <frosch123> "Number of liveries" 18:34:28 <frosch123> used to unambiguously identify andy in the automated survey 18:38:06 <_jgr_> You could put all those totals in a console command, but it's still useful to have town totals in the town window 18:38:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/2bc97fae660dac800bdaefd3f9debc8fb907424f 18:38:28 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 18:51:26 <Rubidium> talltyler: I do not think you're misrembering there having been words about uint ant unsigned int; https://weblogs.openttd.org/openttd/2023/07/20.html#092113-105 18:52:18 <talltyler> Not crazy! 😄 18:55:51 <peter1138> Talking about isn't the same as wants to do 🙂 18:56:17 <locosage> _jgr_: town totals are so rarely useful it's not really worth wasting space there 18:57:47 <peter1138> frosch123: Enough that it was done. 18:58:28 <_jgr_> locosage: That is one of the reasons I put the town count on the same line as the population total 18:58:34 <frosch123> sounds like i need to pull, it's not the case in my local checkout :p 18:58:42 <_jgr_> (The other reason is laziness) 19:00:31 <frosch123> oof, 8th may, i did not know i did not pull since then 19:22:04 <locosage> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137827953280045076/Screenshot_from_2023-08-06_23-21-39.png 19:22:04 <locosage> _jgr_: I just put it in the title 19:22:10 <locosage> or maybe that wasn't me xD 19:22:19 <locosage> not particularly clear though 19:24:05 <locosage> I could add smth like (3 cities / 3 total) I guess 20:26:02 *** Flygon has quit IRC 20:26:34 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:46:32 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:25:19 <talltyler> We're not exactly starved for space though. Outside the CityMania niche, the town directory isn't used that often, I suspect 🙂 21:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> locosage: i would put the numbers (3 [displayed after filters] of 3 [total towns on the map]) 21:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and then add filters for cities, and stuff 21:29:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and similar stuff for all the other list 21:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> to make things consistent 21:32:41 <locosage> talltyler: it's the same on citymania as everywhere else, town directory is mostly used to find largest towns and to communicate location to other players 21:33:40 <locosage> if anything, it's less useful in cmclient as largest towns can be found on a minimap 21:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause> can we put location pings in chat? :) 21:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> new entry in the ?-menu or something? 21:34:16 <locosage> clickable sign notification can be useful 21:35:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or ctrl+click the "go to location" button or something? 21:36:08 <locosage> you need location for that 21:36:24 <locosage> currently the best way is just using signs 21:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i think that button is already taken in tracking moving objects 21:36:43 <locosage> problem is signs are silent and not that convenient to find 21:36:57 <Eddi|zuHause> locosage: i mean in windows which have a location, signs, factories, stations, etc. 21:37:03 <locosage> yes 21:37:21 <locosage> but you can't send just a random tile with that 21:37:34 *** keikoz has quit IRC 21:37:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but you can put a sign on any random tile and then send that 21:38:58 <locosage> oh, lol, sign edit window actually have location button 21:39:36 <locosage> anyway, it's way too hidden 21:39:57 <locosage> just a clickable notification every time someone puts a sign will solve both issues 21:40:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds way too spammy 21:40:22 <locosage> it's the same as chat 21:40:37 <locosage> well, I guess there could be "private" signs 21:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the player should have a choice whether to publicly announce a sign 21:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> also, pinging existing signs, instead of placing a new one 21:41:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #10700: Codechange: Split dates and timers into Economy and Calendar time https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10700 21:41:34 <locosage> pinging can be done by editing 21:42:26 <talltyler> Hmm, should probably try to build and fix the inevitable errors before pushing 🤔 😛 21:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes it helps fixing errors :p 21:48:11 <talltyler> Especially with such a huge PR, it’s bound to be a mess 22:08:23 <talltyler> Surprisingly just a few errors, although I suspect a few calendar->economy changes slipped through the cracks 22:38:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #10700: Codechange: Split dates and timers into Economy and Calendar time https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10700 22:40:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10700: Codechange: Split dates and timers into Economy and Calendar time https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10700#issuecomment-1666994169 23:52:39 *** tokai has joined #openttd 23:52:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai