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00:05:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on issue #11528: [Bug]: When building a path through an existing one, the path is also laid under bridges https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11528
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00:58:16  <_glx_> hmm should we add something about windows 11 in the manifest ?
00:59:02  <_glx_> ah no, 10 and 11 use the same
01:03:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #468: [lt_LT] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/468
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01:54:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] NicoBR333 commented on issue #11529: [Bug?](WIN): KERNEL32.dll Problem that makes OpenTTD stop working https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11529
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08:47:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #11532: Fix: Use per-window filter state for station list windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11532
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09:31:40  <peter1138> Hmm, maybe the shaded cargo item treatment could apply to other cargo filters.
09:37:23  <peter1138> And should the station list show cargo if it has a rating, or if it has cargo waiting?
09:38:03  <peter1138> It's currently the latter, which makes the cargo filter seem to behave a bit oddly.
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11:16:55  <Rubidium> peter1138: how stupid it would it be to use std::nullptr_t over void * in #11532? `void *` seems to imply: pass me anything, maybe `std::nullptr_t` rather implies: I want nothing?
11:20:31  <peter1138> Makes sense, I'll try it :)
11:26:06  <peter1138> Hmm, maybe with a bit of template magic I can remove the parameter if it's nullptr_t as well.
12:10:32  <andythenorth> cargo aging adjustment is weird
12:10:50  <andythenorth> it's logically the most correct way to get the result  (pay more money for using certain vehicles vs. others)
12:11:12  <andythenorth> but eh, maybe some other way would actually work in game?
12:27:05  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #11532: Fix: Use per-window filter state for station list windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11532
12:27:31  <peter1138> (Probably some better way of doing that conditionality stuff, but...)
12:41:07  <peter1138> Hmm
12:42:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #11532: Fix: Use per-window filter state for station list windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11532
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13:00:26  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1180856067643678740/image.png?ex=657ef0e9&is=656c7be9&hm=528ae48ea73f51c05bef46a70d886e8c68861c55a7d1d6b44c9a6ca5869521d1&
13:00:51  <peter1138[d]> or
13:00:53  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1180856181649051678/image.png?ex=657ef104&is=656c7c04&hm=686ba593349556e8870ee2ee40ac8eea81faa2c5cbf4839e1ec25a70bd915024&
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13:17:27  <michi_cc[d]> The second seems a lot more user friendly.
13:17:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #11518: Feature: (-tte) Add zoom level buttons to sprite aligner. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11518
13:26:44  <LordAro> oh hey, we missed yogscast jingle jam
13:29:41  <LordAro> https://www.youtube.com/live/ExcnUMWhMFY?si=oZtP5Tp5KNaxb4VC from about 9h15m
13:31:59  <peter1138> Strange, I don't see any source code windows.
13:32:24  <peter1138> Other people play this game strangely...
13:32:31  <LordAro> :D
13:36:35  <LordAro> immediately run into the issue where windows appear in the top left and they don't see it
13:39:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #11533: Change: Hide unused cargos from vehicle cargo filter. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11533
14:06:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] NicoBR333 commented on issue #11529: [Bug?](WIN): KERNEL32.dll Problem that makes OpenTTD stop working https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11529
14:44:20  <rau117> peter1138[d]: Maybe add a button (or better a switch) “expand” here? This will only take 2 lines, but it may be useful.
14:44:20  <rau117> And the same for the list of stations - by default, show only the types of cargo used, switch to all on this button.
15:09:44  <peter1138> But is that useful?
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15:51:12  <peter1138> Hmm, "Visit Website", "View readme", "Changelog" and "Licence".
15:51:27  <peter1138> Feels like there could be a bit more consistency in those labels
15:57:19  <andythenorth> Verb or not to verb?
15:58:40  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1180900922726031400/image.png?ex=657f1ab0&is=656ca5b0&hm=f1d339323f535e685fd11470a23623347752915010823b66e4fd677d953f9f34&
15:58:53  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1180900977029689434/image.png?ex=657f1abd&is=656ca5bd&hm=8f1410f04d09a9540bd8d1a6c00326a52ed0b540bccd1714652cc190b76f64c7&
16:01:06  <peter1138> And add tooltips becuase they are non-existant for some reason.
16:01:37  <andythenorth> Looks better
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16:05:22  <peter1138> Not sure if that layout will fit the other windows though.
16:06:51  <peter1138> Also, licence vs license?
16:07:06  <peter1138> GPL is license
16:09:22  <andythenorth> Potato Pot8o
16:10:02  <peter1138> It's not though :)
16:11:04  <peter1138> I suppose "license" in GPL is an Americanism.
16:11:47  <talltyler> Much better without the verbs. No comment on the spelling of license though, I live on the wrong side of the pond to have a useful opinion. 😛
16:11:48  <peter1138> > You need a licenCe to drive a Car.
16:20:43  <rau117> peter1138[d]: 2x2 looks more universal - if some other language has wide labels, the settings window has less chance of becoming… disgustingly wide.
16:20:43  <rau117> And since the height of the settings window has become smaller due to the tabs, nothing prevents from taking 2 extra lines for this.
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16:25:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #11534: Change: Add tooltips for text file buttons, and shorten Website / Readme buttons. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11534
16:27:38  <peter1138> Oops, it changed it, it doesn't have 'text' in the tooltip now.
16:28:30  <peter1138> *I
16:29:57  <talltyler> Does it need “text”? What other format would the license be in?
16:30:38  <peter1138> It does not have test any more. I removed it :)
16:30:46  <peter1138> So the screenshot is out of date.
16:30:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #11534: Change: Add tooltips for text file buttons, and shorten Website / Readme buttons. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11534#pullrequestreview-1761307145
16:30:58  <talltyler> Gotcha
16:31:04  <peter1138> *text
16:31:12  <peter1138> I cannot type any more :(
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16:38:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #11533: Change: Hide unused cargos from vehicle cargo filter. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11533#pullrequestreview-1761307587
16:39:53  <peter1138> Why did I change english.txt... full recompiles ahead ;(
16:40:23  <talltyler> RIP
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16:45:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #11533: Change: Hide unused cargos from vehicle cargo filter. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11533#issuecomment-1837535271
16:49:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #11533: Change: Hide unused cargos from vehicle cargo filter. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11533
16:51:14  <peter1138> talltyler, what about rau117's comment that the cargo filter should be expandable?
16:51:56  <peter1138> I worked on similar for the station cargo filter, but it's a bit clunky. Even there it is not that useful, but here I don't think it's needed.
16:52:32  <peter1138[d]> peter1138[d]: This screenshot 🙂
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16:53:19  <merni> Why would you want to filter for an option that has no results?
16:53:31  <merni> maybe position consistency?
16:53:56  <talltyler> Hmm, yeah it would be empty
16:54:34  <peter1138[d]> IIRC the difference with the station filter is that one is multiple choice, whereas the vehicle cargo filter is single choice.
16:54:38  <talltyler> I’m not opposed to it, though. Maybe “view all” or “see more” would be better than “expand” but that’s bikeshedding if we don’t know if we even need the functionality
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16:54:56  <peter1138[d]> And that was part of the rationale for having it on the station filter but not the vehicle filter.
16:55:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #11534: Change: Add tooltips for text file buttons, and shorten Website / Readme buttons. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11534
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16:57:01  <merni> Also, with this new filter, what happens when you select some option, close the window, delete all vehicles/stations of that cargo, and open the window again?
16:57:10  <merni> Does it remember an option that is now un-selectable?
16:58:13  <rau117> peter1138[d]: Hmm… Is it possible (more precisely, how difficult it is to program it) to add a choice of several cargo here?
16:58:40  <andythenorth> Was it newgrf docks yet?
16:58:51  <merni> if there are several cargo, should it be AND or OR?
16:59:10  <merni> ie. if I select passengers and mail in the filter, should it show the trains carrying both or carrying either
16:59:39  <peter1138> The station cargo filter is OR.
17:00:18  <peter1138> andythenorth, we're over quota for new features.
17:00:30  <peter1138> So we're just going to bike-shed over filters that nobody really uses ;)
17:03:58  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1180917354499158057/image.png?ex=657f29fd&is=656cb4fd&hm=ea02a3efa596925a74f2623bec5bfbbc888bf913aef8377d661d959de6902329&
17:03:58  <peter1138[d]> Latin is quite wide.
17:04:23  <merni> ...there's a Latin translation of openttd?
17:04:34  <merni> "LegeMe" lmao
17:05:47  <peter1138> I think at one point there was an auto-generated pig-latin as well.
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17:19:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #11512: Add: "Visit Website" buttons to AI/GS and Baseset settings windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11512
17:21:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #11512: Add: Website buttons to AI/GS and Baseset settings windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11512#issuecomment-1837544069
17:22:18  <peter1138> Almost consistent, I must find something else to make inconsistent :D
17:22:26  <peter1138> Flat docks? That'd be inconsistent.
17:25:44  <andythenorth> Yup
17:25:50  <andythenorth> Dock objects
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17:28:25  <peter1138> Duck objects
17:29:36  <andythenorth> Even better
17:30:30  <andythenorth> https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/12/11/1355240075471/A-giant-50-foot-rubber-du-012.jpg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&s=528879c7b775cec1ffa940be0f2d26e7
17:30:43  <andythenorth> Opening bridges next?
17:31:30  <_zephyris> NewGRF bridges
17:31:50  <peter1138> I had some decades ago.
17:31:59  <peter1138> But, uh, like normal... didn't finish it.
17:32:10  <peter1138> This was pre bridges-over-anything.
17:32:29  <_zephyris> With boat nearby callbacks for nearby ducks
17:32:34  <peter1138> There's another one somewhere I think but don't remember if it follows act3/2/1 nicely.
17:32:46  <peter1138> Duck nearby callback.
17:32:49  <peter1138> But
17:33:05  <peter1138> Does it support a probability of build a reversed duck?
17:33:08  <peter1138> kcud?
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17:36:03  <andythenorth> Pig latin duck?
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17:44:10  <andythenorth> Duck Duxk Grf
17:57:38  <peter1138> Yes
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18:06:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #11533: Change: Hide unused cargos from vehicle cargo filter. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11533#pullrequestreview-1761325339
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18:07:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #11483: Change: Rearrange (code) and reposition (one widget) of AI/GS debug window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11483
18:09:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #11483: Change: Rearrange (code) of AI/GS debug window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11483
18:10:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #11483: Change: Rearrange (code) of AI/GS debug window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11483#issuecomment-1837556124
18:11:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #11533: Change: Hide unused cargos from vehicle cargo filter. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11533
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18:35:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #11512: Add: Website buttons to AI/GS and Baseset settings windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11512#pullrequestreview-1761337387
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18:39:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #11483: Change: Rearrange (code) of AI/GS debug window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11483#pullrequestreview-1761338062
18:43:55  <andythenorth> Ruining the game still 🙂
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18:46:40  <peter1138> Sorry.
18:47:26  <peter1138> Okay, new room with a Megasphere and the only way forward doesn't (yet) let me backtrack...
18:47:32  <peter1138> This is going to end badly.
18:51:32  <peter1138> It did but later than anticipated.
18:52:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #11512: Add: Website buttons to AI/GS and Baseset settings windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11512#issuecomment-1837566835
18:52:36  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #11512: Add: Website buttons to AI/GS and Baseset settings windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11512
18:53:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #11483: Codechange: Rearrange (code) of AI/GS debug window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11483
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19:02:04  <peter1138> Okay, so...
19:02:15  <peter1138> World Gen window uses "Label: Value"
19:02:31  <peter1138> Play Heightmap uses "Label: Value"
19:02:59  <peter1138> Start new mulitplayer game uses
19:03:00  <peter1138> Label:
19:03:01  <peter1138> Value
19:03:25  <peter1138> So it's inconsistent, but it does fit fairly nicely. Hmm.
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19:58:09  <peter1138> Hmm, SetAspectRatio() perhaps.
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20:51:59  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1180974736931573791/image.png?ex=657f5f6e&is=656cea6e&hm=572e121ac61fff3873a57206b4e118b226fc8abf5e920a3c34cab7022b6209f5&
20:52:05  <peter1138> OOps :)
20:55:32  <pickpacket> Oops what?
21:17:52  <Eddi|zuHause> "darling, i shrunk the button"
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21:35:48  <peter1138> Well
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21:53:05  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #11535: Codechange: Use maxdim instead of setting width/height separately. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11535
21:54:01  <_glx_> ok did some test locally in a docker, and it seems the nightly fails because centos7 is missing stuff
21:57:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #11535: Codechange: Use maxdim instead of setting width/height separately. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11535#pullrequestreview-1761374187
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22:13:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #11536: Codechange: SetMinimalTextLines(1, 0) is implied for widgets with text. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11536
22:15:45  <peter1138> It's weird that we have vcpkg building libraries like libcap, libicong, libmount, libsystemd...
22:15:56  <peter1138> I'd've thought they'd be part of the OS image.
22:17:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #11536: Codechange: SetMinimalTextLines(1, 0) is implied for widgets with text. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11536#pullrequestreview-1761377406
22:17:45  <peter1138> 
22:17:47  <peter1138> Well, this package together with pkg-config are required to build python https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/3.11/configure.ac#L18. Please install them with your system package manager.
22:17:58  <peter1138> Er, that is not the link I copied :o
22:18:05  <peter1138> https://github.com/microsoft/vcpkg/issues/33080#issuecomment-1671755898
22:18:06  <peter1138> That is.
22:19:01  <peter1138> Hmm, but we include autoconf-archive.
22:19:47  <peter1138> Erm, possibly, I'm using a different build thingy :D
22:22:21  <_glx_> we need gettext-devel it seems for autopoint
22:22:59  <_glx_> I'm trying in the docker image so I can read error logs 🙂
22:23:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #11535: Codechange: Use maxdim instead of setting width/height separately. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11535
22:24:16  <_glx_> then I'll try in my fork
22:28:40  <peter1138> I read some scary stuff earlier...
22:28:55  <peter1138> People trying to put rust in the linux kernel.
22:29:27  <peter1138> My build got further with gettext-devel, but still not complete.
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22:36:27  <_glx_> I'm following the workflow step by step, I'll see
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22:42:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #11536: Codechange: SetMinimalTextLines(1, 0) is implied for widgets with text. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11536
22:45:06  <_glx_> ok another failure, let's check the logs
22:45:40  <peter1138> libsystemd for me.
22:45:46  <_glx_> same
22:45:59  <_glx_> I'm checking the written logs
22:46:42  <_glx_> ok it's missing gperf
22:47:38  <peter1138> My Debian Docker build is much simpler ;)
22:48:20  <_glx_> yeah but we use manylinux2014
22:50:06  <_glx_> and now it's missing a python module
23:02:38  <peter1138> Ah yes, I remember now, I wanted to implement non-GUI bootstrap.
23:03:45  <peter1138> (Because my docker build doesn't otherwise download OpenGFX :))
23:09:07  <_glx_> it's partly done for emscripten
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23:19:25  <_glx_> now libsystemd pass configure, but fails to build (NFPROTO_NETDEV undeclared)
23:19:39  <_glx_> too old kernel-headers it seems
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23:37:26  <_glx_> ok trying to fix it by adding deps doesn't work, I may have found another way
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23:53:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #11532: Fix: Use per-window filter state for station list windows. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11532#pullrequestreview-1761411691
23:55:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #11518: Feature: (-tte) Add zoom level buttons to sprite aligner. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11518#pullrequestreview-1761412076
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