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00:03:56 <_glx_> peter1138: not related at all, it's ``` /// a (hopefully) large enough character buffer 00:03:56 <_glx_> std::array<char, 64> number_buffer{{}}; 00:04:08 <_glx_> inside json.hpp 00:04:15 <peter1138> Ah okay. 00:09:24 <_glx_> `auto buffer_ptr = number_buffer.begin();` then `*buffer_ptr = '-';` if needed, then `buffer_ptr += n_chars;` (with n_chars being the number of digits), then it's filled backward via some `*(--buffer_ptr) = ...` 00:10:11 <_glx_> could be a compiler bug 00:10:14 <peter1138> Yeah, I'm assuming json.hpp is fine and it's compiler being silly. 00:11:52 <peter1138> Trying to find an SD card reader so I can write a fresh 64 bit Pi OS to it, to then try out Linux Arm64 myself. 00:12:15 *** Xaroth92328 has quit IRC 00:15:38 *** Xaroth92328 has joined #openttd 00:16:07 <peter1138> Hmm, this is a RISC OS image. 00:16:10 <peter1138> Not sure I really need that 😄 00:23:24 *** Xaroth92328 has quit IRC 00:23:46 *** Xaroth92328 has joined #openttd 00:41:15 <peter1138> Oh, of course, there's no longer a default username and password to login remotely. 00:58:21 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 00:58:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 01:04:53 *** tokai has quit IRC 01:09:01 *** ufo-piloot has joined #openttd 01:17:16 *** ufo-piloot has quit IRC 01:18:14 *** patrick[m] has quit IRC 02:17:41 *** gnu_jj_ has joined #openttd 02:20:53 *** gnu_jj has quit IRC 02:33:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #12598: Codechange: use vector instead of manual memory management for decompressing text files https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12598#pullrequestreview-2039203372 02:41:49 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:44:12 <peter1138> silent_tempest: Yeah, ARM v7l. But only when you boot a 32-bit OS. When you boot the 64-bit version it says it's ARM 8 (but doesn't have the descriptive text.) 02:44:26 <peter1138> That's quite... weird 😄 02:56:50 <peter1138> Generating ... baseset metadata file needs to be optimised, hehe 02:58:07 *** debdog has joined #openttd 02:59:50 *** dihedral has quit IRC 03:01:29 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 03:04:07 *** dihedral has joined #openttd 03:17:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #12621: Cleanup: Remove TileMatrix that hasn't been used for 4+ years. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12621 03:27:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #12621: Cleanup: Remove TileMatrix that hasn't been used for 4+ years. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12621#pullrequestreview-2039216856 03:29:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #12619: Codechange: Use vectors instead of CallocT/free for cache checks. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12619#pullrequestreview-2039217153 03:31:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #12598: Codechange: use vector instead of manual memory management for decompressing text files https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12598 04:31:37 *** Smedles has quit IRC 04:31:40 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 04:41:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/60cf37e0d175a0fe45615f3bc4459afa7b17d41a 04:41:13 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 04:57:15 <merni> peter1138: does someone want to approve 12209 now? 😄 05:18:41 *** salut3585 has joined #openttd 05:18:41 <salut3585> can I use lowerCamelCase ? 05:22:57 <merni> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/CODINGSTYLE.md 05:31:09 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 05:33:18 <andythenorth> peter1138: chocks away 06:16:56 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 06:35:55 *** fiddeldibu[m] has quit IRC 06:37:45 *** freu[m] has quit IRC 06:40:16 *** Ox7C5 has joined #openttd 07:06:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 07:37:45 <salut3585> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1236220205923827783/image.png?ex=66373748&is=6635e5c8&hm=e23288b016de0dfc2fefedd159ced71afdb293a315cf4576cb4a529f1fa5da5b& 07:37:45 <salut3585> According to the style description, I can't use Enum this way. But I think it's better this way. Do you think it's possible to break the role's style description? 07:44:20 <salut3585> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1236221862095228942/image.png?ex=663738d3&is=6635e753&hm=dfb8a92491eb686e3380139737616850149e0a705645676d78652c8ea74b9373& 07:44:20 <salut3585> In this case, we may run the function with unexpected values. 07:44:21 <salut3585> if I follow the style description the code will become unclear 07:48:21 <_jgr_> Have you considered using an existing enum such as DiagDirDiff for this? 07:51:08 <_jgr_> It doesn't make sense to use radians when the only sensible rotations are assigned to the tile grid 08:06:34 <jfs> I think the question here is, what are you trying to achieve in the end? why do you need free rotation instead of only the predefined angles? 08:11:25 <salut3585> maybe DiagDirDiff would be good for this. Thank you 08:12:16 *** kstar892[m] has quit IRC 08:21:36 *** calbasi[m]1 has quit IRC 08:28:45 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 08:28:56 *** gretel[m] has quit IRC 08:34:50 <peter1138> Is it still compiling? 08:37:03 <peter1138> > ssh: connect to host 192.168.12.14 port 22: No route to host 08:37:05 <peter1138> I'm going with no. 08:38:36 <peter1138> Stopped at linkgraphjob.cpp. A way to go yet, then. 08:42:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #12621: Cleanup: Remove TileMatrix that hasn't been used for 4+ years. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12621 08:42:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #12619: Codechange: Use vectors instead of CallocT/free for cache checks. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12619 08:43:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #12620: Doc: Re-order release instructions to not tell the world prematurely https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12620#pullrequestreview-2039294007 08:45:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zacc commented on discussion #12384: Road transport - pathfinder doesn't see traffic on the roads, which intensifies existing traffic jams https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/discussions/12384 08:47:11 <tateisukannanirase> I've noticed that sometimes the vehicle `cur_speed` can be >0 when the vehicle is in gridlock of vehicles converging in multiple directions. This seems to be reflected in the UI too. Is there an alternative way to tell if a vehicle is moving or not? 09:04:18 <peter1138> Oh, it crashed again, 15+ minutes ago. Sigh. 09:14:34 <peter1138> Can I run swap over NFS? 😄 09:15:17 <peter1138> Actually, memory. Memory over NFS. 09:16:50 <peter1138> [ 38%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/openttd_lib.dir/src/network/network_command.cpp.o 09:16:50 <peter1138> virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory 09:16:54 <peter1138> Poof 09:25:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #12598: Codechange: use vector instead of manual memory management for decompressing text files https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12598#pullrequestreview-2039305784 09:36:09 <truebrain> peter1138: oof 09:38:18 <peter1138> 1GIB RAM not enough 😦 09:39:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #12620: Doc: Re-order release instructions to not tell the world prematurely https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12620 09:39:04 <truebrain> I noticed that before 09:39:13 <truebrain> also, clang and gcc differ in their requirements 😛 09:39:51 <peter1138> Okay, so Raspberry Pi 5 8GB? 09:40:01 <peter1138> £80 on Amazon 😮 09:40:15 <truebrain> I have a few Pis in my house, I can connect one or two a bit later today 09:40:24 <truebrain> (the 8GB variants) 09:40:33 <peter1138> Me too, they're all older 1GB or less though. 09:40:56 <truebrain> now mostly first waiting to see if talltyler received an email I send him 😄 09:41:16 <truebrain> and trying to remember how to manage accounts for various of sites .. 09:42:20 <_jgr_> Sounds like you'd be better off cross compiling than trying to do it actually on the device 09:42:45 <peter1138> Okay, with std::deque,. CreateNewNode() took 518µs. 09:42:54 <peter1138> For 1,000,000 calls. 09:43:04 <peter1138> I think this is fine. 09:44:29 <truebrain> owh, the AWS bill this month was 50 dollar less than last month. That is a nice change. 09:44:39 <truebrain> seems 14.0 does have its effect 😛 09:51:44 <andythenorth> \o/ 09:51:54 <andythenorth> I will send you the bill for my MBP later 09:53:30 <truebrain> ghehe, I do have 8GB Pis here, but I "repurposed" their disks, so I don't have a boot medium for them 😄 09:53:40 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #12409: Codechange: Replace Array/FixedSizeArray with std::deque. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12409#issuecomment-2094101430 09:53:40 <andythenorth> can you boot them from the cloud? 09:53:47 <truebrain> I do not have PXE setup in my network, no 09:54:04 <peter1138> What kind of nerd are you?! 09:54:11 <truebrain> I know right 😢 09:54:14 <andythenorth> does your TV have storage? 09:54:18 <peter1138> Wait, why don't I have a PXE setup? 09:54:44 <peter1138> (Do Pis support netbooting? Hmm) 09:54:49 <truebrain> I did find a random 8GB SD .. what will be on it? 09:54:55 <peter1138> RISC OS. 09:55:12 <truebrain> GCODE! 09:55:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #12409: Codechange: Replace Array/FixedSizeArray with std::deque. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12409 09:55:24 <truebrain> okay, so a very slow SD .. that is not going to do any good 😛 09:55:35 <peter1138> Deep in the heart of Yapf. RIP. 09:57:22 <peter1138> I hope Xarick is okay. We've not had a woe-the-game-is-ruined moment for a while 🙂 09:58:57 <andythenorth> I'm sure LC will deliver on that at some point 10:00:19 <truebrain> peter1138: you wanted 32bit of 64bit? 10:00:42 <peter1138> 64 bit, that's what the bug report is against. 10:03:06 <peter1138> So £80 for a Pi 5 8GB... and then add on the a power supply, and a case and... yeah, that's probably about the price of a mac M3 now? 10:03:56 <peter1138> Oh but they are kinda awkward to Linux on. 10:09:04 <truebrain> okay, I found an USB stick, and I am now booting my Pi 4B 8GB 😛 10:10:25 <truebrain> I only don't have an adapter for the HDMI, so I am always just hoping the wifi configuration "just works" 😛 10:11:37 <truebrain> yeah, it is alive! 10:11:58 <peter1138> Hehe 10:13:19 <truebrain> see your DM 😛 Go nuts on it 😛 10:13:38 <truebrain> well, stay on the device; I do not give you permission to scan my network 😄 10:14:11 <_jgr_> I'm still running my Pi Model B, with a half GB of RAM 10:14:14 <truebrain> (I can do too what ever you were trying; I just don't know what you were trying 😄 ) 10:14:52 <_jgr_> I haven't tried to build or run OpenTTD on it in recent times 😛 10:15:03 <truebrain> building will fail, we now know 😛 10:18:51 <peter1138> Hmm, this appears to be significantly faster than the Pi 3B. 10:19:29 <peter1138> Well, I'll go with noticably. Maybe not significantly. 10:19:37 <truebrain> 😄 10:19:52 <truebrain> 4 cores go brrooooeeemmmmm 10:20:04 <peter1138> cmake optimistically says it's 46% of the way through compiling... after finishing the languages 😄 10:20:18 <peter1138> I have 4 cores too, but with 1GB RAM that doesn't help. 10:25:01 *** reldred has quit IRC 10:28:21 <peter1138> > [ 65%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/openttd_lib.dir/src/network/network_command.cpp.o 10:28:25 <peter1138> It passed that. 10:29:14 <truebrain> up to 14.3% memory on one of the compile-steps already 10:29:20 <truebrain> nom nom nom, memory, nom nom 10:29:42 <peter1138> templates ehj? 10:30:30 <peter1138> Hmm, I guess with an NVMe adapter it won't fit in a standard case. 10:33:01 <truebrain> this Pi is passively cooled atm ... it is hot hot hot 10:33:07 <truebrain> so there is some thermal trottling going on at 😛 10:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's actively hotted? :p 10:33:28 <truebrain> (I used to have them actively cooled, but I was too lazy to connect that 😛 ) 10:56:07 <truebrain> right, added some active cooling 10:56:10 <truebrain> should help with performance 😄 10:56:25 <truebrain> also figured out why emails were not arriving; stupid spam filters 😛 😛 10:56:54 <peter1138> Well, it already finished, so it should be cool now 🙂 10:57:18 <peter1138> Now, why do we 1) not have a cli bootstrap or 2) not have a dummy baseset for dedicated builds... 10:57:45 <truebrain> 2) has been a question for 15 years already 😛 10:57:50 <truebrain> "because nobody did that"? 😄 10:57:59 <kuhnovic> TB put his pi in a bath of mineral oil. Active cooling ftw. 10:58:20 <peter1138> It used to matter when we had a vehicle position hash that relied on sprite sizes. 10:59:33 <truebrain> introducing a lot of cooling at once has an interesting effect on the board 10:59:46 <peter1138> Oh/ 11:00:10 <truebrain> as in, I can hear the PCB "changing size" (what is the right english word .. contract?) 11:00:37 <peter1138> Cool, this build does not crash. 11:00:49 <peter1138> Either we fixed it, or the debug report does not have enough information. 11:00:57 <truebrain> \o/ 11:02:40 <peter1138> OIkay, so mine is a debug build not relwithdebinfo. 11:02:54 <peter1138> (I figured debug would be useful for, you know... debugging) 11:03:02 <truebrain> how dare you! 😛 11:05:30 <peter1138> Is this Pi OS or proper Debian? 11:06:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zacc closed pull request #12558: Change: [RoadStop] For DriveThroughRoadStop, calculate the occupied level based on actual vehicles in the stop in that tick. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12558 11:06:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zacc commented on pull request #12558: Change: [RoadStop] For DriveThroughRoadStop, calculate the occupied level based on actual vehicles in the stop in that tick. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12558#issuecomment-2094122200 11:07:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #12609: [Crash]: Segmentation fault on dedicated server launch (Linux arm64) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12609 11:08:35 <peter1138> I have no clue but the fact it reports errors in json.hpp for them makes me think it's not doing C++20 right 🙂 11:12:55 <truebrain> It is the RaspOS default OS stuff 11:13:03 <truebrain> I can install an older version if that helps 11:31:35 <truebrain> even if that would allow you to reproduce, the solution would still be to upgrade the OS, I guess 😄 11:31:51 <truebrain> anyway, I assume you no longer need access peter1138 ? 11:32:38 <peter1138> I think you are right, if that's the problem it needs an upgrade. So I guess no longer. Thanks! 11:33:02 <truebrain> no worries 11:33:14 <peter1138> Although surprising that it compiles and fails, instead of failing to compile. 11:33:49 <truebrain> indeed 11:43:01 *** Flygon has quit IRC 11:44:56 <tateisukannanirase> Does anybody know how DestinationID in the order framework can be compared to a RoadStop instance? 11:45:04 <peter1138> It can't. 11:45:31 <peter1138> Vehicles are ordered to stations, not specific road stops. 11:45:54 <peter1138> So DestinationID will be the StationID. 11:45:55 <tateisukannanirase> Ah, that makes sense. 11:46:11 <peter1138> You can compare the station referenced on the tile instead of going via RoadStop. 11:48:58 <tateisukannanirase> Got it, thanks for the quick reply! 11:50:57 *** evoke0 has joined #openttd 11:56:35 <tateisukannanirase> Found `GetStationIndex(tile)` function 👍 12:03:47 <peter1138> `uint64_t flags; ///< stores which blocks on the airport are taken. was 16 bit earlier on, then 32` 12:03:51 <peter1138> Useful comment at the end... 12:07:42 <_glx_> So max size of an airport is 64 tiles 12:08:12 <peter1138> No, it's the number of blocks, which is a logical group, not each tile. 12:22:45 <peter1138> Hmm, no point touching queue.cpp, that'll be removed 🙂 13:14:37 <rau117> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1236304981724758116/image.png?ex=6637863d&is=663634bd&hm=bca6ba071805bf9f71443df2da31ef4aba9dd20c9d1db60dfeb3ea7efb41b706& 13:14:37 <rau117> tiny little bug-report aka «i'm lazy to go to github» 13:14:37 <rau117> Openttd survey page have no links to openttd.org, the logo button leads to survey.openttd.org 13:16:11 <rau117> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1236305376891375767/image.png?ex=6637869b&is=6636351b&hm=a140ce6f228a1c9773bdd6727581e5d900efcf3a18a7d345a948de4cf763d621& 13:16:11 <rau117> tiny little bug-report aka «i'm lazy to go to github» 13:16:11 <rau117> Openttd survey page have no links to openttd.org, the logo button leads to survey.openttd.org 13:16:45 <peter1138> Pull Requests live here: <https://github.com/OpenTTD/survey-web/pulls> 13:34:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] arb103 commented on issue #12609: [Crash]: Segmentation fault on dedicated server launch (Linux arm64) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12609 14:03:28 <peter1138> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1236317274915209347/image.png?ex=663791b0&is=66364030&hm=fe5085d3c684ef2f436afb8073714999b73da80ecd8c96666b9b2ec23107ce34& 14:03:28 <peter1138> Forgot to unbunch 15:04:40 *** Smedles has quit IRC 15:04:43 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 15:12:36 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:38:39 <peter1138> Ok so 15:43:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #12598: Codechange: use vector instead of manual memory management for decompressing text files https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12598 15:51:39 <peter1138> Hmm, servicing intervals are a bit wonky. 16:10:43 <talltyler> Just a bit 😄 16:12:41 <peter1138> Mine were 150 days 16:12:44 <peter1138> No 16:12:48 <peter1138> Mine were 150 minutes. 16:12:52 <peter1138> Which is a bit too long. 16:18:01 <locosage> or too short depends on how you deal with servicing ;) 16:18:21 <peter1138> Servicing is off, so this only affects autoreplace. 16:19:31 <locosage> ah, yeah, I guess it's kinda long then 16:20:13 <locosage> now when I see "minutes" in openttd my first thought is how long is that in real time 😜 16:21:22 <locosage> because I remember they're suposed to be real but aren't 16:25:53 <peter1138> If it says minutes it means minutes. 16:26:08 <locosage> only on 37tps 16:35:47 *** Smedles has quit IRC 16:35:48 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 16:41:37 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest3450 16:41:39 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 16:44:44 *** XYZ has joined #openttd 16:47:48 *** Guest3450 has quit IRC 16:52:53 <_glx_> 27 16:54:13 <locosage> right, 37ms 16:55:22 <_glx_> hmm 27ms -> 37tps, I was confusing the units 16:59:00 <locosage> lol, I though I was confusing them 16:59:03 <locosage> whatever, one of those xD 17:31:29 <peter1138> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1236369622098378803/ssstwitter.com_1714834761034.mp4?ex=6637c270&is=663670f0&hm=537dbf01cfa1e21c47a0750a629e04b94f55f7ca68bba804963865dcb56e14a0& 17:31:29 <peter1138> When you leave 90 degree turns on... 17:34:32 <wensimehrp> that is 180 17:36:50 <audigex> Technically it’s probably about 170 17:36:56 <audigex> If we’re being pedants 18:00:19 <peter1138> When we are ever not pedantic here? 18:05:03 <jfs> if you were to build that in TT, it would be a 90 deg turn 18:34:24 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:36:28 <truebrain> So glad the joke has to be explained 😛 19:49:17 *** wormnest[m] has quit IRC 20:36:28 <ahyangyi> I love how each wagon hits that buffer stop in the other track 21:03:50 *** jinks has quit IRC 21:04:16 *** jinks has joined #openttd 21:16:20 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 21:49:14 *** keikoz has quit IRC 21:50:15 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] khamper opened issue #558: [lt_LT] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/558 21:55:53 *** Ox7C5 has quit IRC 22:02:37 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:13:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:16:28 <Timberwo1f> Mew calendar saves reveal how long you've been playing a particular save. Not sure how I feel about knowing the number of hours. 22:57:17 <truebrain> Haha, that high of a number 😛 23:47:18 *** nielsm has quit IRC