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01:18:18  <BiG_MeEcH> Yo DOMMMMMM! WOO!
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03:49:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
03:49:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> so I see you left me some signs :D
03:50:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> That # is made from how long it remains in station, so even if it hits 0 with unload, it is 1 more turn before it fully leaves the station, for clarification
03:55:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi? xD
03:55:14  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
03:55:28  <Stablean> <Anson> didn't know how to count :-)
03:55:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no you did :D
03:55:48  <Stablean> <Anson> but anyhow, the same train has different load times after refitting
03:55:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yeah I know :S
03:56:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> wish it wouldnt do that
03:56:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> for you to do it properly you would need the max # for the proper amount of waiting station bays
03:56:42  <Stablean> <Anson> i find such differences interesting ... i only find it annoying when you have to buy trains and test it since it is not in the description
03:57:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> probably best to write everything down on a sheet since we will be playing this again
03:57:59  <Stablean> <Anson> V added such info ... why can't everybody else do it too ?
03:59:33  <Stablean> <Anson> you have quite a big network ...
03:59:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i still want to add a goods route
03:59:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> and then more stuff
04:01:48  <Stablean> <Anson> 2 forests and 6 coalmines ?
04:02:02  <Stablean> <Anson> i only have 4 forests :-)
04:02:52  <Stablean> <Anson> and the train count was 55 vs 75 ... now 88
04:03:16  <Stablean> <Anson> but my trains are only TL2 :-)
04:03:26  <Stablean> <Anson> and still getting the same profit
04:04:32  <Stablean> <Anson> i like refitting :-) ... 448 paper and 380 goods from only 4 forests
04:04:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
04:05:40  <Stablean> <Anson> if you look at my trains, they all do refitting wood>paper>goods ... but i had to add four more that only do paper
04:06:06  <Stablean> <Anson> that's another strange property of the refiotting trains in this set
04:06:53  <Stablean> <Anson> the same trains that deliver wood and take paper are at max capacity when the paper mill has 62% rating
04:07:19  <Stablean> <Anson> if the rating is better, you need extra trains for the paper since it needs more wagons
04:07:55  <Stablean> <Anson> with popcorn, i would accept this :-) but why can trtains transport less paper than the wood it is made from ß
04:13:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> V's had enough people tell him what he needs to improve on. Maybe the ukrs dudes need some holp or maybe they dont care
04:15:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you should check ou the speedlink van if you can, it has like 1 turn unload
04:20:07  <Stablean> <Anson> replacing the trains now ... only for the second time in this map :-) :-( ... there are not many "better" engines often
04:22:03  <Stablean> <Anson> i see only 3 wagons that transport wood, and only 2 of them do wood, paper and goods (which i need for refitting)
04:22:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> speedlink is sick though, try it out on a bullshit train
04:26:33  <Stablean> <Anson> really strange capacities .... to stay at TL2, i can have 4 bolster wagons or 3 bogie bolster
04:26:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> its pretty painful
04:26:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sometimes you have to sacrifce capacity for speed
04:27:57  <Stablean> <Anson> and their capacities for a whole train is 56/78 wood, 36/90 paper, 72/90 goods
04:28:55  <Stablean> <Anson> to me it looks as if the bolster paper wagon has a bug and should be 72 instead of 36 ... the other has paper and goods both at 90
04:29:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> well remember those are huge rolls, not piles of sheets its carrying
04:29:25  <Stablean> <Anson> and with the woods capacities, 72 would look more reasonable too
04:30:03  <Stablean> <Anson> the wood (tree trunks) are also "big rolls" :-)
04:30:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no waY:P
04:31:52  <Stablean> <Anson> look at the numbers above : the bogie bolster does 78/90/90 wood/paper/goods ... and for the bolster wagon, 56/72/72 would match that, instead of being 56/36/72
04:32:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
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04:36:15  <Stablean> <Anson> WB
04:36:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lame :D
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04:37:33  <Stablean> <Anson> look at the jump in my income graph :-)
04:37:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> NO :P
04:37:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
04:37:52  <Stablean> <Anson> new engines with much more speed, and better wagons
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04:38:22  <Stablean> <Anson> the little jump 3 years ago was from adding 10 more trains ... now only the replace
04:39:33  <Stablean> <Anson> replacing engines with higher speed and also that the engines are new increased the rating and thus the amount of cargo from 60% to 88%
04:39:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> amazing :D
04:40:11  <Stablean> <Anson> during the first 3 years, new trains get a bonus on the rating
04:41:22  <Stablean> <Anson> thus i wizuld like to be able to autorenew (not autoreplace) trains long before the max age that can be only slightly adjusted in the advanced settings
04:42:12  <Stablean> <Anson> there, you can set -12 months to +12 months relative to the max age ... but i would like to be able to also set any other age, like 3 years after buying them .-)
04:46:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I was wrong about speedlink
04:46:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> but i know theres a car that does like 1 turn unload
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04:50:03  <Stablean> <Anson> ah, income is back to normal now ... it probably was from cleaning up piles in stations after wagons were bigger
04:51:30  <Stablean> <Anson> i could also get rid of 15 trains ... no longer needed now with bigger speed and capacity ... and that saves me half a million running costs per year
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04:52:23  <Stablean> <V453000> hello the bastardly one
04:52:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> speaking of bastards
04:52:28  <Stablean> <V453000> n the rest
04:52:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Hi
04:52:32  <Stablean> <Anson> i have seen such cars in another railset :-)
04:53:06  <Stablean> <Anson> those cars are called pumps and can transport water, oil, rubber
04:53:28  <Stablean> <Anson> they have a length of max 1 tile and around 50k power :-)
04:53:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hello V453000!
04:53:48  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, v
04:53:58  <Stablean> <V453000> is it just me or is nobody building a big network :D
04:54:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I have no team mates :(
04:54:24  <Stablean> <V453000> I never do?
04:54:30  <Stablean> <Anson> i try to get the best income with the smallest network :-) LOL
04:54:33  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
04:54:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Yo udont want team mates V
04:54:57  <Stablean> <V453000> doesnt mean you need them Meech :P
04:55:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I do
04:55:11  <Stablean> <V453000> lazy bastard
04:56:29  <Stablean> <Anson> would it be useful to allow funding primaries on these maps with islands ?
04:56:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you can but theres really no guarantee where they will go
04:56:50  <Stablean> <V453000> prospecting is on
04:56:58  <Stablean> <Anson> it is too annoying when you have to prospect 15 primaries to get one on your own island
04:57:08  <Stablean> <V453000> if you allow funding, NOTHING ELSE happens than everybody builds a cluster of primaries
04:57:22  <Stablean> <V453000> well then have fun being annoyed
04:57:24  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, prospecting is on ... that's why i asked about funding
04:57:42  <Stablean> <V453000> and by cluster I mean industries of same type as close as possible
04:58:29  <Stablean> <V453000> and I dont see a single reason why couldnt you prospect
04:58:48  <Stablean> <Anson> there can still be other limits, like high prices for funding, and most of all forbidding to fund towns and allowing only 1 industry of the same type per town ... that should avoid clusters
04:59:06  <Stablean> <V453000> not really
04:59:16  <Stablean> <V453000> neither of those settings avoid it
04:59:22  <Stablean> <Anson> when there are 15 islands, how big is the chance that a primary will be prospected on your island ?
04:59:37  <Stablean> <V453000> good enough
04:59:47  <Stablean> <Anson> and even worse for those small islands ... much lower chance even
05:00:09  <Stablean> <V453000> ok lets conclude it, there is not going to be a different way of doing it
05:00:11  <Stablean> <V453000> end of discussion
05:00:38  <Stablean> <V453000> PS you service only forests which is maybe the reason why you dont have enough primaries
05:00:52  <Stablean> <V453000> so go service others too if you need more
05:00:58  <Stablean> <Anson> with 15 islands, 1 out of 15 attempts will prospect a prmary on your island, if they are the same size .. if yours is a quarter the size of others, you would have to prospect 30 or 40 ...
05:01:33  <Stablean> <V453000> cant say I ever needed to prospect more industries though
05:02:16  <Stablean> <Anson> on my island are 1 farm and 1 fruit plantation ... and with my usual bad luck, they disappear when i have finished the stations
05:02:26  <Stablean> <V453000> there are so many things you can do for more production, beginning with servicing more than 1 kind, ending with buying statues in towns
05:02:52  <Stablean> <V453000> well they disappear because you already left them die for too long
05:02:54  <Stablean> <V453000> clearly
05:03:28  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, i just successfully learned to live without statues ... some more advanced player had convinced me :-)
05:03:55  <Stablean> <V453000> if you want more production quicker they help?
05:04:45  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: replacing my engines just increased rating from 60% to 80%, and suddenly the primaries also increased production from 120 to 140-250
05:05:05  <Stablean> <V453000> obviously
05:05:11  <Stablean> <Anson> but that is mostly thanks to the faster engines, which are not yet available at the start
05:05:22  <Stablean> <V453000> yes, where statues can replace 10% of that?
05:06:00  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, 10% from statues ... forever ... and that's what i learned not to like about them
05:06:34  <Stablean> <Anson> at the start, you don't have enough money for statues, and in the end, i would like less production but can't get rid of the statues
05:06:36  <Stablean> <V453000> how is 10% more production a problem if you dont have enough production?
05:06:46  <Stablean> <V453000> so you want more primaries and less production
05:06:52  <Stablean> <V453000> that makes one hell of a lot of sense
05:07:14  <Stablean> <Anson> i want more in the beginning and less in the end
05:07:28  <Stablean> <V453000> so you want to fund primaries in the beginning
05:07:30  <Stablean> <V453000> okay
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05:07:56  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe starting primaries with 200-400 instead of 10-50 ... and stopping growth at 1000 instead of 2000
05:08:29  <Stablean> <V453000> why in the hell do I even discuss with you
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05:09:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Wow, you made V leave... that's quite a feat
05:09:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> maybe he went off for some beer
05:10:00  <V453000> 7 in the morning Usually doesnt mean beer :P
05:10:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> never too early to drink
05:10:51  <V453000> but starting with request to put funding on, moving onto wanting more but less, ending with a request of a newGRF setting of industry production, is very intelligent discussion which I am very willing to continue
05:11:08  <V453000> go make a newGRF Anson
05:11:54  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, sold 4 trains and parked 20 more in depots ... no longer needed with my replaced trains
05:16:49  <Stablean> <Anson> V said that other limits like towns wouldn't limit clisters ... i don't understand why ?
05:17:44  <Stablean> <Anson> when each island has 5 towns, there can only be max 5 forests and 5 farms, and 5 xxx on each island, and since they need to be nearer to one town than to another, they would also be spread a bit
05:18:35  <Stablean> <Anson> what did i miss ? how could you fund more than 5 with only 5 towns, and how could you put them together in a cluster when towns are all over the island ?
05:18:56  <V453000> there are kind of often e.g. 3 towns clustered together?
05:19:52  <Stablean> <Anson> towns would have to be placed instead of randomized ... to guarante not only a spread, but also to have exactly 5 on each island
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05:20:38  <V453000> which many people who create a map would happily spend an ~hour doing with every map
05:20:39  <V453000> yes
05:20:41  <V453000> very good idea
05:20:43  <V453000> next
05:21:47  <Stablean> <Anson> i tried to create a map with similar resources for all people
05:22:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> well i suppose the better players would pick locations with lots of resources
05:22:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I mean, you can start anyhwere you want
05:22:31  <Stablean> <Anson> wasn't too bad to do, but after 5-10 years, the people who come first would have those ideal islands, while all others would miss some resources or industries
05:22:50  <V453000> thats too bad
05:22:56  <V453000> and you cant do anything about it
05:22:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> That's their problem i guess
05:23:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> some poeple start at 2050 and build okay
05:23:17  <V453000> your "ideally spread" industries would be same kind of dead when they join
05:23:24  <Stablean> <Anson> that's why i was thinking about solutions ... and one was to allow funding ...
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05:23:39  <V453000> ok enough of this
05:24:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I prefer the risk on prospect
05:24:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if you have money to do it, then do it
05:24:23  <V453000> btw funding can mean that ANYBODY can fund an industry ANYWHERE on your island and you cant do ANYTHING about it
05:24:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no risk no reward
05:24:39  <Stablean> <Anson> i didn't give up yet to create a map :-) ... will take a while to find a method that matches my requirements
05:24:52  <V453000> your requirements are retarded to say the least
05:25:59  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: building mines or factories in front of other people should already be covered by the rules ?
05:26:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it would be blocking imo
05:26:25  <Stablean> <Big Meech> but if they do block , you'll be hard pressed to remove it
05:26:31  <Stablean> <Anson> even without funding primaries, you now can fund secondaries
05:26:43  <V453000> so what
05:26:51  <V453000> how do you even know that a player did it
05:26:57  <V453000> how do you remove the industry after they did it?
05:26:58  <V453000> ?
05:27:02  <V453000> what then?
05:27:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> magical bulldozer
05:27:17  <V453000> requires losing all passwords?
05:27:31  <V453000> secondaries die rather quick that isnt a big problem
05:27:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> at that point in the game you can build your own secondary and not worry about it
05:27:50  <Stablean> <Anson> your argument is not valid : you want to forbid funding primaries to avoid people placing them on other islands, but that already can be done with secondaries, and also will happen with prospecting, won't it ß
05:28:19  <V453000> obviously but random place certainly cant be called griefing
05:28:23  <V453000> secondaries are meh
05:29:03  <V453000> it will not be turned to funding, deal with it
05:30:01  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, it also was once said that TF will never be cheap :-)
05:30:34  <V453000> water tf presumably, and in standard maps it isnt cheap either
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05:35:20  <Stablean> <Anson> when creating a map, how can the grf files be checked whether they are "allowed" on this server or not ? only by inspecting the pathes and removing all of them that have the grfpack ?
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05:35:58  <BiG_MeEcH> I would think that any newgrf is allowed, just if any were'nt included, they would have to be downloaded
05:36:29  <Stablean> <Anson> download : from anywhere ? or only from bananas ?
05:36:33  <BiG_MeEcH> anyhoo , off for now :)
05:36:39  <BiG_MeEcH> anywhere I guess
05:37:00  <BiG_MeEcH> I would assume that most people that play here frequently have over 200 newgrf's
05:37:15  <Stablean> <Anson> i have 350++
05:37:22  <BiG_MeEcH> mmhmm
05:37:28  <Stablean> <Anson> but those all are either in the grfpacl or from bananas
05:37:48  <BiG_MeEcH> well then I would say primiarly use those then
05:37:59  <Stablean> <Anson> there are even more grfs from other sources, and i don't think that they should be used here
05:38:27  <BiG_MeEcH> maybe, ask admin xD
05:38:32  <BiG_MeEcH> seeya soon :)
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05:38:47  <Stablean> <Anson> after creating a map, i noticed that half of the grfs were from the grfpack, and that might only be "allowed" on the ps, not here
05:39:33  <Stablean> <Anson> g'N8
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06:49:17  <bug_sniper> well, I was going to expand my network a bit, but got tired of waiting for refridgeration
06:49:48  <bug_sniper> and while waiting for it, my farm went out of business
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08:29:34  <V453000> mu :)
08:29:41  <Stablean> <Jam35> morning
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08:43:02  <Stablean> <Anson> that was a fast one :-)
08:43:34  <Stablean> <Jam35> what?
08:43:44  <Stablean> <Anson> bankrupt
08:44:03  <Stablean> <Jam35> it was cleaned
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09:30:22  <Stablean> <Anson> Hallo, Player, it is always nice to have a real username when you play
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09:32:43  <Stablean> <Anson> either use
09:33:21  <Stablean> <Anson> either use the command here in chat, or set a default username in the window where you start a multiplayer game (top right corner of it)
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10:04:57  <Stablean> <Jam35> hm no trains that refit to fruit ???!
10:05:11  <Stablean> <Jam35> *wagons
10:05:28  <V453000> oh Dom :) yeah UKRS probably doesnt quite work with opengfx+ industries too well
10:09:03  <Stablean> <Anson> what about disabling the food chain ? or sending resources to the factory (if some other indistries are changed/disabled) ?
10:09:41  <V453000> wtf is that suggestion
10:09:51  <V453000> ukrs cant load fruit, done
10:10:14  <Stablean> <Anson> an idea how that industry grf can work togther with a trainset that has no food
10:10:58  <V453000> obviously removing the incompatible cargoes does help
10:11:02  <V453000> idk why do you even mention that
10:12:11  <Stablean> <Anson> since you said that it doesn't work together
10:13:07  <V453000> I said it doesnt work too well
10:13:11  <Stablean> <Anson> by selecting parameters, it can be made to work ... it is not an absolute "can never be used together"
10:13:13  <V453000> so fuck off
10:14:21  <Stablean> <Anson> F yourself
10:14:31  <V453000> sure thing
10:15:09  <Anson> !Admin
10:15:34  <V453000> is here
10:15:37  <V453000> any problems?
10:17:24  <Anson> V, you are not god
10:17:51  <V453000> did not claim so either
10:17:59  <^Spike^> Anson just calm down
10:18:23  <Anson> tell that to v too
10:18:41  <^Spike^> that is not your business if i do that... but you should aswell
10:21:14  <Anson> did you read the chat? when someone says to me fuck off and i return the compliment, that is an offense to be punished by kicking me from the game?
10:21:53  <V453000> I did not say that was the reason?
10:21:58  <^Spike^> let's get the bridge analogy here: If someone tells you to jump off a bridge you return the compliment and do the same?
10:22:07  <V453000> you are repeatedly being a douchebag, is enough
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10:27:31  <Anson> all i said was about generating maps, and i didnt curse or similar.
10:28:07  <Anson> what was the problem with what i said?
10:32:10  <Stablean> <Jam35> no food either
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11:55:25  <V453000> 2 loading stages enuf, meech? :P
11:55:36  <BiG_MeEcH> mebbeh. :D
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12:03:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
12:04:29  <BiG_MeEcH> yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
12:04:43  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
12:05:07  <BiG_MeEcH> bad
12:05:15  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> lol  y
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12:44:21  <bug_sniper> I would expect happy train sport to be the name of a Japanese transportation company
12:45:12  <bug_sniper> because they like putting happy and other cute words in their serious company names
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14:21:30  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi     the  power  12
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14:39:34  <V453000> !start publicserver
14:39:36  <Stablean> V453000: autopilot seemed to have crashed trying to load last autosave...
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19:11:02  <V453000> LOL
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22:31:16  <BiG_MeEcH> LMAO @ NUT
22:31:17  <BiG_MeEcH> xD
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22:32:12  <V453000> arr
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22:48:58  <BiG_MeEcH> ARRRRRRRRRRR! :D
22:49:29  <V453000> ok
22:49:44  <BiG_MeEcH> lol, that's ar ok to you :P
22:49:52  <BiG_MeEcH> or is it talk like a pirate day?
22:49:57  <V453000> ASDF
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