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09:56:31 * peter1138 sighs 09:56:34 <peter1138> stupid fuckwits 09:56:53 <peter1138> recompiling their projects and complaining that the global asax's namespace "has changed" 09:57:11 <peter1138> because it can't find the global asax code 09:57:19 <peter1138> reason is because it didn't compile due to compilation errors 09:57:19 <Darkvater> 22:55 < jez> changing the SVN hook rule that prevents tab-only lines from being committed 09:57:25 <Darkvater> dude, wtf? 09:57:27 <peter1138> but they never bloody read them 09:57:31 <peter1138> heh, no idea :) 09:58:01 <Darkvater> I think I ate something rotten yesterday 09:58:09 <Darkvater> got all sick and stuff :s 09:58:23 <peter1138> oops 09:59:02 <Darkvater> who here besides Tron (and me) has given thought to 0.5? 10:00:16 <Darkvater> or in general a new release? 10:00:34 <SpComb> are you ever going to release a version 1.0? 10:00:49 <Darkvater> no 10:00:52 <Darkvater> :) 10:00:53 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:01:38 <Darkvater> only 1.0.1 10:02:04 <Darkvater> oh nice, no more ftp :D 10:02:24 <Darkvater> eh 10:02:30 <Darkvater> wrong window :O 10:02:46 <Tron_> yep 10:03:34 <peter1138> hmm 10:03:41 <Darkvater> hehe 10:04:14 * peter1138 needs to fix up grf loading stages grf saveload and newcargos 10:04:20 <peter1138> +for 10:04:38 <peter1138> and grf saveload needs to take special measures for scenarios 10:04:40 <peter1138> hmm 10:04:47 <peter1138> and my boss wants me working 10:04:48 <peter1138> how annoying 10:04:59 <Darkvater> what with scenarios? 10:05:10 <peter1138> no, with some stupid website 10:05:56 <Darkvater> no I mean what do you mena special handling with scenarios :) 10:06:01 <Darkvater> tell your boss to leave you alone 10:10:20 <peter1138> oh, well it needs to make sure the correct set of grfs are loaded 10:10:29 <peter1138> hmm 10:10:42 <peter1138> otoh, if the scenario is made with grfs, they need to be kept 10:11:06 <Darkvater> well but isn't that the same with savegames? 10:11:11 <peter1138> bah, i never play scenarios, so who cares 10:11:24 <Darkvater> also there if grf's were used, they need to be loaded 10:11:37 <Darkvater> + it needs to load any additional newgrfs you want added 10:11:47 <peter1138> yeah, but with a savegame, if no grfs are used you want to keep it with no grfs loaded 10:11:56 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-182-248.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:11 <peter1138> adding additional grfs is asking for trouble, heh 10:12:24 <peter1138> well, we can test if they're just graphical 10:12:44 <Darkvater> 11:11 <@peter1138> yeah, but with a savegame, if no grfs are used you want to keep it with no grfs loaded 10:12:52 <Darkvater> and scenarios would work differently? 10:13:03 <peter1138> 8-hmm 10:13:04 <peter1138> -8- 10:13:22 <Darkvater> cause then you would need either some kind of default-newgrf screen like your WIP 10:13:28 <Darkvater> or load it from the config file 10:16:51 <Darkvater> who wwho here is still subscribed tot he maillist? 10:18:06 <Darkvater> pretty sad really, I get about 50% of spam to maillist and the other 50% to my openttd mail address 10:18:24 <Prof_Frink> Darkvater: There's a mailing list? 10:18:37 <Darkvater> Prof_Frink: spam-list more likely 10:18:55 <Darkvater> luckily doesn't bother me too much, my provider does a good job of finding spam 10:20:41 <peter1138> at least the svn commit mails are spam free :) 10:20:56 <Darkvater> who reads those anyways? :P 10:21:08 <Darkvater> I have my RSS feed set up to svn.openttd.org 10:27:17 <mikk36> hey :) 10:27:54 <mikk36> question: one player asked me if the bug, that after getting 4 milliards of money, it was rolled over to 0, was removed 10:28:32 <peter1138> depends where... 10:28:51 <peter1138> the main money thingy is 64bit, so yes 10:29:49 <mikk36> correction: not to 0, but to deep minus :) 10:30:38 <peter1138> hmm 10:30:54 <peter1138> either 4 milliard -> 0 or 2 -> -2 10:31:24 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:39:37 <Darkvater> I still wonder why we have p->money and p->money64 around? 10:39:50 <peter1138> that i do not know 10:39:53 <Darkvater> was it some kind of obscure optimization to not to use 64bit numbers that frequently? 10:42:07 <peter1138> how should we increase the sprite limit? 10:42:25 <peter1138> cos 14 bits is getting to be "not enough" 10:42:56 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-182-248.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 10:45:47 * roboboy bed soon 10:49:05 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 10:51:31 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: just delete the bit marked "Set the sprite limit way too low, 'cause we're evil" 10:51:39 <peter1138> :) 10:51:52 <peter1138> i think i'll go ahead with splitting sprite & palette map up 10:51:56 <peter1138> but it'll be a huge patch 10:52:14 <peter1138> that'll give a limit of 2^30 though 10:52:44 <peter1138> i should hope 1 thousand million sprites is enough... 10:53:36 <peter1138> argh 10:53:48 <peter1138> a chocolate bar lept out and attacked me 10:55:28 <Prof_Frink> Bite its head off 10:56:11 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: That won't be enough for MB 10:56:35 <peter1138> :) 10:56:42 <Prof_Frink> He needs ~1googolsprite 11:00:19 <peter1138> Darkvater: so 0.5 on 25th december? 11:00:24 <Darkvater> mail sent... 11:00:39 * peter1138 waits 11:00:47 <peter1138> oh, it's approve only now 11:00:58 <Darkvater> eh? 11:01:13 <peter1138> assuming you mean to the devs list 11:01:16 <Darkvater> yes 11:01:28 <Darkvater> what do you mean 'approve only'? 11:03:47 <peter1138> every post needs approval. 11:03:57 <peter1138> for spam reasons 11:04:08 <Darkvater> oh... did my get aproved? 11:04:10 <peter1138> personally i'm not bothered by much on it 11:04:11 <Darkvater> mine 11:04:12 <peter1138> not yet 11:04:28 <Darkvater> who/where does/is it approve/approved? 11:04:36 <Darkvater> *eek* 11:04:37 <peter1138> truelight 11:05:12 <Darkvater> ah, /me waits for truelight 11:05:28 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:14:41 <Darkvater> can someone test something for me? 11:14:52 <Darkvater> with HEAD/ or a recent nightly? 11:14:56 <Darkvater> When you save a scenario file, then load it again, the year will be in the 11:14:56 <Darkvater> very far future. Simular problem when creating a new scenarios after that. 11:15:18 <peter1138> Simular? 11:15:23 <Darkvater> similar 11:15:28 <peter1138> sounds like bobingabout ;p 11:15:28 <Darkvater> copy&paste, don't blame me 11:18:05 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:18:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:22:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:24:33 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host187-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:31:43 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:16 <Wolf01> ello 11:34:59 <Darkvater> hi 11:42:19 <peter1138> t still wonder what jez was on about 11:42:24 <peter1138> -t+i 11:47:28 <Darkvater> < lunch ^^ 11:47:39 <Darkvater> (-t+i)-i+I 11:49:24 <peter1138> feh 11:49:40 <peter1138> I can type in full-on sentences if you wish. 11:50:24 <peter1138> Gah! Our desk phones are still in BST. 11:51:32 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:08:48 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C6C5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:26:55 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C6C5.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:32:13 <Darkvater> peter1138: :) 12:32:35 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: here 12:33:19 <Tron_> so, any news? 12:33:38 <Darkvater> food was good :) 12:34:06 <Tron_> not this kind of news 12:34:13 <Tron_> and don't dare to show us 12:34:25 * Darkvater hopes not to 12:34:42 <Darkvater> well what news? /me is browsing through flyspray 12:35:12 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:37:27 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: did I ping you? :) 12:38:07 <Darkvater> yea 12:38:25 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: when, if I may ask it? :) 12:38:34 <Darkvater> 13:09 <@MiHaMiX> Darkvater? Here? Darkvater! here! :-D 12:38:34 <Darkvater> 13:09 <@MiHaMiX> hi Darkvater :) 12:38:56 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: that was on an other channel :P 12:39:09 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: and that was only a weird kind of greeting :D 12:40:07 <Darkvater> ah 12:41:56 <LSky`> afternoon 12:45:06 <peter1138> indeed it is 12:46:06 <Darkvater> I second that 12:48:39 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:51:41 * peter1138 does evil things with scsi 12:51:52 <peter1138> such as plugging things in when it's all powered up 12:52:34 <Darkvater> :O 12:53:00 <peter1138> so yeah, being able to list engines without a depot is handy 12:53:08 <peter1138> and those filter buttons should go, i reckon 12:53:32 * peter1138 hits the scanner to make its lights come on 12:53:33 <peter1138> *meh* 12:59:07 <Darkvater> yeah I liked richK's idea, the only question is how to visualize it, eg where to put the button 12:59:11 <Darkvater> however... 12:59:18 <Darkvater> what is the maillist for if you start replying here :) 12:59:31 <peter1138> cba composing replies :P 12:59:32 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:59:47 <peter1138> my god 12:59:50 <peter1138> the scanner's working 13:01:22 <Darkvater> hallelujha! 13:01:28 <Darkvater> eh 13:01:35 <Darkvater> that sounded kinda islamic 13:04:53 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: when can you improve flyspray? 13:05:10 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: you mean upgrade? :P 13:05:33 <Darkvater> well, whichever makes it work better. as described in one of my emails some time ago :) 13:05:40 <Darkvater> cause damn...it's annoying 13:06:50 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: PM 13:08:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B769E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:16:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:20 *** jez [pencilcase@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:18:28 <Darkvater> he's back! 13:18:34 <peter1138> bah 13:18:36 <peter1138> i'm cold now 13:18:43 * peter1138 puts the heater back on 13:19:05 * Prof_Frink sprays peter1138 with liquid nitrogen 13:19:07 <Darkvater> jez: you were talking about removing of commit-hook of tab-only lines or something? 13:19:49 <jez> yeah. i don't like code where you have an indented block, but just because there's no code on a line (a blank line) the tab indentation disappears 13:20:01 <jez> that's why i disable the so-called 'smart' indenting in the MS IDE 13:20:14 <jez> we managed to remove such lines using regular expression find/replacing, but i still dont like it 13:20:32 <peter1138> nobody's asking you to like it 13:20:46 <Darkvater> MS IDE has an option of removing trailing spaces on save 13:20:50 <Darkvater> so just turn that on 13:20:58 <jez> trailing spaces? what about tabs 13:21:08 <Darkvater> that's also a trailing space 13:21:15 <jez> anyway you call it a trailing space 13:21:22 <jez> i consider trailing spaces to be spaces after actual code 13:21:28 <jez> not indentation tabs 13:21:38 <Darkvater> well or whatever it is, VS2005 removes them 13:22:28 <jez> ugh 13:22:48 <jez> are the line endings in openttd_vs80.vcproj supposed to be MS style 13:22:49 <jez> CRLF 13:22:54 <jez> or LF? 13:23:01 <Darkvater> it's native 13:23:15 <jez> huh? 13:23:24 <Darkvater> whatever your OS uses 13:23:26 <jez> in the current svn, what format are they 13:23:33 <Darkvater> native 13:23:44 <jez> that makes no sense 13:24:01 <Darkvater> which part of native is so hard to understand? 13:24:11 <jez> none of it, but that makes no sense in that context 13:24:19 <jez> in the current SVN file, what style are line endings stored in? 13:24:23 <jez> native is not a constant value 13:24:24 <Darkvater> if you check out the file on unix you will get unix-style line-endings, on windows you will get windows, on osx, you'll get osx 13:24:30 <jez> ok 13:24:36 <jez> CRLF for this then 13:27:28 <jez> i _love_ int8 13:27:36 <jez> way to save 24 bits! 13:32:40 <peter1138> yup 13:33:05 <peter1138> when you've got 4 million of them, that's 12 MB... 13:35:30 <Sacro> i love mysql and its "bit" storage... 13:36:53 <peter1138> sigh 13:36:55 <peter1138> fucking muppets 13:37:47 <Sacro> oh? 13:37:53 * Sacro googles it 13:38:47 <Darkvater> I really love peter's associative mind 13:38:56 <Darkvater> UPS,mysql, 4million, muppets 13:39:16 <Darkvater> heat 13:40:16 <Sacro> UPS? 13:40:21 <Sacro> think i missed that 13:42:30 <peter1138> muppets being people who make changes, make them live, but don't commit them to svn 13:42:52 <Darkvater> so basically you ;) 13:42:54 * Darkvater hides 13:43:01 <peter1138> yes! 13:45:27 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:45:34 <peter1138> aww, my loan was closed 13:46:48 <peter1138> cos i didn't use it for a year 13:46:54 <peter1138> ah well, the rate was crap anyway 13:48:45 <Darkvater> that's a good thing, right? 13:48:48 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-144.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 13:51:40 *** jez [pencilcase@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 13:52:04 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:39 <Darkvater> damn you daylight savings time! 13:54:49 <Darkvater> if it weren't for you I would alsmost be going home 13:55:20 <hylje> ha ha 13:55:50 <peter1138> yeah, it is 13:56:19 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-32.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:56:57 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F2299.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:58:10 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:05:34 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:07:48 <LSky`> any progress on that sprite error peter1138 ? 14:09:48 <Sacro> Darkvater: does it say anywhere on you contract which timezone to use? 14:10:05 <Darkvater> Sacro: hmm good question :) 14:10:18 <Darkvater> I did use it to my advantage this morning when I came "an hour too late" 14:10:40 <peter1138> LSky`: yes, it needs support we don't have but that i've been working on anyway 14:11:17 <Darkvater> wasn't the original plan to push the recolour bit(s) higher? 14:14:52 <peter1138> not possible 14:14:59 <peter1138> recolour bits == sprite id 14:16:53 <Darkvater> hmm wasn't 14:17:10 <peter1138> hmm? 14:17:10 <Darkvater> recolour bit 15? 14:17:11 <Frostregen_> what about separating those from SpriteID? 14:17:17 <peter1138> oh 14:17:43 <peter1138> well you could push that either, but then it'll overlap the recolour map 14:17:53 <peter1138> Frostregen_: that's my vague plan, yes 14:18:27 <Frostregen_> would be some work i guess 14:18:36 <Darkvater> hmm and we do need all 14 bits for recolour map? 14:18:43 <Darkvater> (since 31 is transparent) 14:18:53 <Darkvater> but peter1138 probably knows a lot better than me :) 14:18:54 <peter1138> yes 14:19:15 <peter1138> the original recolour maps were nice low numbers, but that isn't necessarily so 14:19:34 <peter1138> and as they are technically sprites with sprite ids... 14:20:01 <peter1138> and we can't be lazy by making it 64 bit ;( 14:20:09 <Darkvater> :) 14:20:18 <peter1138> cos the enum values are all 32 bit. boo. 14:20:20 <Darkvater> make it 128bit then 14:20:25 <peter1138> heh 14:23:55 *** Frostregen97 [~sucks@dslb-084-058-121-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:06 *** Frostregen63 [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-121-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:25 *** Frostregen97 is now known as Frostregen__ 14:25:08 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Frostregen63))] 14:25:16 *** Frostregen63 is now known as Frostregen 14:25:36 <peter1138> this'll have to come post 0.5.0 i guess 14:25:42 <peter1138> as it's quite a bit thing to undertake 14:25:46 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-121-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 14:25:53 <peter1138> there're quite a few places where int is used instead of SpriteID 14:26:23 *** Frostregen__ is now known as Frostregen 14:31:05 <LSky`> hmmm, i get this error whiule trying to run my scenario on a dedicated server: 14:31:37 <LSky`> [Sl] Cannot open savegame for saving/loading 14:31:40 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:49 <LSky`> loading requested map failed blablabla etc 14:32:23 <LSky`> what could be the problem? 14:33:51 <peter1138> did you add any towns? 14:35:03 <LSky`> oh wait it needed the scn part too 14:35:11 <LSky`> but now it starts and doesnt even load the map 14:35:22 <LSky`> its says its advertising but i dont see it 14:36:05 <Darkvater> peter1138: yeah, people'll have to wait a bit to have the sprite limit lifted 14:37:13 <LSky`> hmm it doesnt show on the server list :\ 14:38:14 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-160-23.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 14:38:35 <peter1138> Darkvater: we've been waiting long enough already, a bit more won't hurt :) 14:38:55 <peter1138> that would go nicely with the "allow multiple vehicle sets" plan 14:39:48 <peter1138> (a vague plan that i messed around with) 14:39:53 * Darkvater remembers 14:40:17 <Darkvater> but that vehicle-set is superseeded by newsaves 14:40:27 <Darkvater> hehe 'newsaves' ;p 14:40:44 <peter1138> hmm? 14:40:55 <peter1138> 'superseeded' too ;p 14:41:07 <Darkvater> it's with a "c" isn't it? 14:41:16 * Darkvater hides in shame 14:41:18 <peter1138> superceded :) 14:41:27 <peter1138> unless it's bittorrent or something 14:41:33 <peter1138> but i still don't know what you mean ;) 14:41:55 <Darkvater> well with saving newgrf into your savegame there is no need for vehicle sets 14:42:11 <peter1138> ... 14:42:15 <peter1138> what? 14:42:31 <peter1138> ohhh 14:42:35 <peter1138> you mean the newgrf presets? 14:42:39 <Sacro> peter1138: allow multiple vehcile sets? 14:42:42 <Darkvater> waaiii... 14:42:47 <Darkvater> what were YOu talking about? 14:42:48 <peter1138> correct, that's not needed 14:43:08 <peter1138> although it might be nice to have a "load a list of files" but that'll be different to implement 14:43:15 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:43:16 <peter1138> i'm talking about having more than 255 engines 14:43:27 <peter1138> and mixing newgrf vehicle sets together 14:43:39 <peter1138> and it is possible, cos, uh, i may have done it 14:44:04 <Darkvater> aaah, that; yes that is something entirely different 14:44:07 <peter1138> (needless to say, that won't be in 0.5.0 either) 14:44:19 <peter1138> btw 14:44:24 <peter1138> i overheated again 14:44:28 <peter1138> i need climate control :/ 14:44:34 <Sacro> peter1138: could you release the patch for MiniIN? 14:44:43 * peter1138 ponders a laptop and sitting in his car... 14:44:47 <peter1138> Sacro: no 14:44:54 <Darkvater> the "only" difficulty in that is to when to decide what engines to replace if any. You probably just disabled the default ones and added new ID's for the sets, right? 14:45:15 <peter1138> actually i left them enabled 14:45:21 <peter1138> but disabling the defaults would be best 14:45:25 <Sacro> the GPL should state that mentioning working features requires distrubuting source... 14:45:32 <peter1138> lol 14:45:42 <peter1138> i think it states the opposite 14:45:53 <peter1138> if you don't distribute your changes you can do what you like 14:46:22 <Darkvater> the GPL should state a mandatory free pie to every developer on a weekly basis 14:46:27 <Darkvater> GPLp 14:47:16 <Sacro> Darkvater: along with the receipe too i presume? 14:47:37 * peter1138 wonders if he has any pictures 14:47:47 <Darkvater> Sacro: what use would that be? 14:47:52 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: F/OSP 14:48:01 <Prof_Frink> Free and Open Source Pies 14:48:22 <Sacro> Darkvater: its a GPL, they'd have to release what goes into it and how it was baked 14:48:49 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: exactly 14:48:55 <Darkvater> no, just the pie 14:49:41 * Prof_Frink would rather have a free (as in speech) beer. 14:51:11 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: heh 14:51:46 <Sacro> i hate the 128k max here :@( 14:52:54 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/woo.png << ahh, the good old days of june '05 14:53:45 <Darkvater> :) 14:54:11 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/snake.png << and that 14:54:17 <Sacro> magic bridges 14:54:28 <peter1138> Sacro: that's pre-"magic bridges" 14:54:38 <Sacro> thats not very passenger friendly 14:54:48 <peter1138> that's bit-hackery with bridge tiles 14:54:53 <peter1138> and indeed it's not 14:55:07 <peter1138> but i still want custom bridge heads 14:55:49 <Sacro> me too 14:56:50 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC73D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:00 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:59:10 <LSky`> why does it say station is too spread out when i put it on 40 :( 14:59:50 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-32.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:29 <peter1138> how big is the station? heh 15:16:11 <Wolf01> peter1138! /====\ 15:16:15 <peter1138> Wolf01! 15:16:18 <peter1138> (wtf?) 15:16:26 <Wolf01> (bridges) 15:16:29 <peter1138> what about them? 15:16:40 <Wolf01> yes 15:17:06 <peter1138> ... 15:17:50 * Prof_Frink bridges peter1138 15:27:57 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 15:32:49 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:32:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:30 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53:21 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 16:02:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:06:35 *** bananafly [~uejcpo@81-236-246-254-no28.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:12:36 <Darkvater> what is the policy on mailing-list replies? 16:12:45 <Darkvater> Am i supposed to leave the whole mail in place? 16:12:52 <Darkvater> or can I just quote specific parts? 16:14:11 <peter1138> whatever you want 16:14:25 <Darkvater> candy 16:14:33 <peter1138> do that then 16:16:17 <bananafly> is there any way to play on 0.4.8 servers with the nightly? 16:16:33 <bananafly> or do I have to change back to the official? 16:16:47 <Darkvater> you can only play with the same version 16:17:00 <Darkvater> so if you want to play on 0.4.8 servers, you have to install 0.4.8 16:17:13 <Darkvater> you can install it in a seperate folder though, and have both versions available 16:18:05 <bananafly> nice 16:23:05 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:26 <Sacro_> err... the bot 16:24:00 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 16:24:04 <peter1138> came back 16:25:03 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: /quit] 16:27:06 <Darkvater> peter1138: shouldn't you be using your openttd address for the maillist? spammers are about 16:27:26 <peter1138> how many spammers are subscribed? 16:27:49 <Darkvater> everyone can read it no? 16:28:12 <Darkvater> but 16:28:13 <peter1138> where? 16:28:17 <Darkvater> < going home :D 16:28:20 <peter1138> ta ra 16:28:22 <Darkvater> donnu, archives? 16:32:41 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 16:41:05 *** dp- [~dp@84.178.207.38] has joined #openttd 16:42:52 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: ) td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ (] 16:47:55 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2F4B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:38 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:06:38 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro|AFK 17:09:10 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:19:18 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C6C5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:19:19 *** bananafly [~uejcpo@81-236-246-254-no28.tbcn.telia.com] has left #openttd [] 17:23:49 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:26:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C6C5.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:04 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:24 *** Tron_ [z0TIfZo4@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:39:07 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:00 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:22 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:49:38 *** Tron_ [5Xrg8E7v@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:38 *** Tron_ [5Xrg8E7v@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has left #openttd [] 17:50:05 <peter1138> hmm 17:50:17 <hylje> a? 17:57:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:57:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:02:06 <BobingAbout> eh? 18:02:06 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc136.host3.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:26 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc115.host5.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:02:28 <peter1138> hmm? 18:02:50 <BobingAbout> hmmm 18:03:40 <BobingAbout> having fun peter? 18:04:25 <peter1138> with what? 18:10:39 <BobingAbout> dunno 18:12:33 <BobingAbout> newindustries and newcargos in ottd? 18:14:13 <BobingAbout> bye 18:14:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:14:23 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 18:14:33 <peter1138> yes, i finished it 18:14:34 <KUDr> BobingAbout: what about your signals? 18:14:37 <peter1138> hurr 18:14:39 <KUDr> too late 18:16:00 <KUDr> i found BobingAbout's friend - gkrilkov: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=512213#512213 18:16:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 18:16:36 <peter1138> :) 18:18:50 <KUDr> peter1138: how difficult it would be to make list of lost trains (they have set some flag)? 18:19:05 <KUDr> i am not a gui expert 18:19:30 <peter1138> Bjarni would know 18:19:39 <peter1138> he's done all manner of vehicle lists :) 18:19:39 <KUDr> ok, will ask him 18:19:46 <KUDr> true 18:19:51 <KUDr> thanks 18:19:58 <KUDr> Bjarni! Help! 18:24:34 *** Sacro|AFK [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:27:06 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 18:30:34 <Bjarni> help with what? 18:30:46 <Bjarni> oh 18:30:51 <Bjarni> a vehicle list 18:30:58 <KUDr> yes 18:31:26 <KUDr> they belong to the local player and have one flag set 18:31:44 <KUDr> easy to tell which one should be on that list 18:31:52 <KUDr> but it is all what i know 18:31:56 <Bjarni> it would be a matter of adding a loop to find them in the list generation 18:32:00 <KUDr> gui is magic for me 18:32:04 <Bjarni> and somewhere to click to open the window 18:32:12 <Bjarni> and add a few strings for it 18:32:23 <Bjarni> it would actually not be hard 18:32:28 <hylje> magic.. 18:32:37 <KUDr> do you have done some template list that can be reused? 18:32:47 <Bjarni> more or less yes 18:32:53 <KUDr> good 18:33:03 <KUDr> so we can do that together 18:33:10 <Bjarni> ok 18:33:13 <KUDr> if we need to 18:33:20 <KUDr> not just now 18:33:31 * Bjarni is also doing something else right now 18:33:35 <KUDr> i would like to get more user input on it 18:33:45 <KUDr> to don't follow wrong way 18:33:58 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 18:34:10 <KUDr> ok, thanks 18:34:43 <Bjarni> I designed the vehicle list to be a generic one, so it's actually the same GUI code for all the vehicle list codes. They just got different code to finding the vehicles for the list 18:35:15 <KUDr> very nice! 18:35:39 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:40 <KUDr> you become a real dev one time :) 18:35:47 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 18:35:57 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has quit [] 18:36:02 <CaptObvious> I'm having issues getting a dedicated server going on windows 18:36:05 <Bjarni> that way goto depot and so on will work right away 18:36:34 <KUDr> ok, i will wait for your commits and study them 18:36:50 <CaptObvious> should the last lines that the openttd dedicated server window shows be that it's broadcasting to the master server? 18:36:54 <Bjarni> why? 18:37:00 <Bjarni> it's ready to add a new window 18:37:05 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-186-26.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:37:45 <Bjarni> bbl 18:37:47 <glx> CaptObvious: what does it says now? 18:38:57 <CaptObvious> 2 secs, getting a screenie 18:40:15 <CaptObvious> http://vps343.dns6.com/openttd.jpg 18:40:44 <glx> !openttd port 18:40:46 <_42_> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 18:41:06 <glx> port 3978 should be allowed for output 18:41:15 <CaptObvious> I disabled the firewall and it's still not able to connect 18:41:25 <glx> do you have a router? 18:42:11 <CaptObvious> it's a hosted webserver 18:42:16 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Doom 18:44:59 <glx> can clients connect to your server? 18:45:36 <CaptObvious> the openttd server? no 18:45:41 <CaptObvious> says server is offline 18:45:51 <CaptObvious> it works locally though - if I launch openttd on the webserver 18:45:52 <glx> ok so port 3979 is closed 18:46:07 <CaptObvious> but I've searched high and low and there are no firewalls active 18:46:45 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:46:56 <glx> maybe your host block some ports 18:47:51 <CaptObvious> maybe 18:48:18 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-186-26.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:29 <glx> try changing server_port in openttd.cfg 18:49:25 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-83-100-186-26.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:49:46 <CaptObvious> good idea 18:51:15 <CaptObvious> no change 18:51:53 <CaptObvious> have a look at that screenie again - should it be listening on 85.159.89.142:0? 18:53:56 <glx> no it listen on a determined port (0 is not a determined port) 18:54:17 <CaptObvious> yeah, that's what I thought was weird 18:54:22 <CaptObvious> do you see it on the screenshot? 18:58:29 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 19:00:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-207-28.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:02:12 <glx> it's ok indeed :) (I just checked by running a server) 19:02:30 <CaptObvious> bah 19:02:45 <CaptObvious> there is no reason for this not to be working :( 19:04:01 <glx> there's one : your host doesn't allow all ports 19:04:23 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-83-100-186-26.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC] 19:04:43 <glx> at least 80 and 8080 are not blocked but they are used 19:05:08 <CaptObvious> I don't see any reason why they wouldn't allow all through 19:05:12 <CaptObvious> it's not managed hosting 19:05:19 <CaptObvious> it's a dedicated server 19:05:27 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:10:06 <webfreakz> any that could help me with GAIM and authserv? 19:10:21 <webfreakz> not on this oftc network, but on ogamenet.net 19:23:27 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:33:38 <CaptObvious> hey glx 19:33:41 <CaptObvious> lookie: 19:33:43 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:43 <CaptObvious> 2006-10-30 19:33:05 CLOSE UDP 85.159.89.142 81.171.98.111 1359 3978 - - - - - - - - - 19:33:50 <CaptObvious> firewall log 19:37:41 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 19:47:43 <glx> CaptObvious: I think you just found why it doesn't work :) 19:52:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has joined #openttd 19:53:31 <CaptObvious> no, that was a successful connection 19:53:39 <CaptObvious> or at least 19:53:46 <CaptObvious> a connection the firewall was letting through 19:54:28 <CaptObvious> from the firewall logs it looks like the connections aren't even getting to the server 19:56:36 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:57:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:57:38 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: [ HIX-Script v2.2 ]:::[ Download from ]:::[ www.rupertonline.ca/hix/ ]:::[] 19:58:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 20:03:42 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:43 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:33 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3CD3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:28:09 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has left #openttd [] 20:47:33 *** Guest52835 [~wolf01@host187-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:47:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host187-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 20:47:58 *** Guest52835 is now known as Wolf01 20:47:58 *** lws|Flying [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:49:55 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:18 *** Sionide [~sphinx@82.22.104.185] has joined #openttd 20:52:22 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:15 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-252-95.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:28 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 21:03:11 <peter1138> hmm 21:03:21 <peter1138> signal dragging is all server-side, right? 21:03:33 <peter1138> with the signal interval specified as a parameter 21:04:05 <hylje> no 21:04:05 * peter1138 ponders enforcing mininum signal spacing there ;p 21:04:07 <glx> hmm no I think it's client-side with may DoCommand 21:04:07 <hylje> its clientside 21:04:11 <peter1138> boo 21:04:43 <peter1138> hah, you lie 21:05:48 <peter1138> - p2 = (bit 24-31) - user defined signals_density 21:05:49 <peter1138> :) 21:06:14 <CaptObvious> it's both 21:06:21 <CaptObvious> server sets the default when you join the game 21:06:25 <CaptObvious> but you can change it 21:09:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:03 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 21:22:15 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting!] 21:44:11 *** Sionide [~sphinx@82.22.104.185] has quit [Quit: /quit] 21:45:00 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC73D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:49 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:48:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:50:33 <lws1984> Sacro! 21:50:55 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk35@pc7.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 21:52:17 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc115.host5.starman.ee] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by mikk36[EST]))] 21:52:19 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 22:01:43 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:47 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:11:11 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-160-23.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:11:22 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77457.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:17:10 <Brianetta> c'est moi 22:17:39 <peter1138> oui oui 22:18:34 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 22:18:53 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C6C5.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:22:12 <Sacro> :o c'est Brianetta 22:23:00 <Brianetta> d'accord, c'est moi 22:26:26 <peter1138> gah, sleepy time 22:26:33 <peter1138> and i've not done anything useful :( 22:26:37 <glx> bonne nuit peter1138 22:27:42 *** Rens2Doom is now known as Rens2Sea 22:28:00 <Brianetta> sleepy time? 22:28:08 <Brianetta> did you remember to set your clock back to realtime? 22:31:27 <peter1138> heh 22:34:10 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:24 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:34:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host187-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host187-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 22:35:11 <lws1984> Sacro! 22:44:56 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:55:10 *** Progman [~progman@p5091ED2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 22:57:47 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:13:48 * Bjarni slaps Sacro 23:14:18 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:15:47 <Sacro> :o 23:15:53 <Sacro> Bjarni: for what? 23:19:56 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-252-95.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:20:57 <Bjarni> old habit 23:21:03 <Bjarni> it's usually the right thing to do 23:21:20 <Sacro> thats not fair :( 23:21:46 <Bjarni> welcome to the real world 23:22:00 <Bjarni> fair is in the fiction only :P 23:22:34 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 23:23:56 <Bjarni> 1984 went away too quickly :( 23:24:00 <Bjarni> I want it back 23:25:07 <Darkvater> 'ello 23:25:23 <Bjarni> in 1984, I didn't care for computer problems at all 23:25:57 <Darkvater> Bjarni: the filters need to go from the build vehicle window 23:26:19 <Bjarni> hahaha, somebody on the forum just got an idea for something brand new: signals on bridges 23:26:20 <Bjarni> :P 23:26:33 <Bjarni> now that's a unique idea 23:27:05 <ln-> the only reason it can't be done yet must be that it hasn't been thought of before. 23:27:14 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I will start by moving them (and rename them to fit the actual function of them) 23:27:24 <Darkvater> no, gone, finito, removed 23:27:26 <Bjarni> ln-: yeah, something like that :D 23:27:29 <Darkvater> not moved 23:27:40 <Bjarni> Darkvater: why? 23:27:42 <Bjarni> I like them 23:27:57 <Bjarni> maybe it should be plane/helicopter though 23:28:00 <Darkvater> you are alone 23:28:30 * Bjarni looks around 23:28:33 <Darkvater> we can think perhaps of a better way to do this, if it even should, but as you have no time for 0.5 for this, it's best to remove them for now 23:28:35 <Bjarni> no people in sight right now 23:28:39 <Bjarni> so you are right 23:28:58 <Ailure> back in 1984 I was just an egg inside my mother and the sperm that reached my egg wasn't even produced back then 23:28:59 <Ailure> :p 23:29:05 <Ailure> eggcell 23:29:08 <Darkvater> ok, that's too much to hear 23:29:13 <Ailure> lol 23:29:27 <Bjarni> Ailure: ok, from now on you will be known as the "egghead" 23:29:31 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/orders.diff <-- unification of orders windows 23:29:46 <Ailure> lol 23:30:24 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-121-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:30 <Bjarni> juveniles. They think they are so cool when they try to speak dirty 23:32:50 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-158-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:08 <Sacro> i was born in 84 23:36:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 23:36:16 <Sacro> twas a good year 23:41:33 <Ailure> 86 23:41:53 <Ailure> Very intresting, as Chernobyl happened while I was in my motheres womb 23:42:16 <Ailure> some of the fallout fell over Sweden, although the effects on our wildlife is usignificant now 23:42:44 <Ailure> aka not that much higher compared to the normal backround raditation 23:42:59 <Ailure> but it did cause some strained relations to the east nations :P 23:52:53 <Bjarni> so whenever you act weird, we should blame radiation poisoning? 23:53:49 <Ailure> You should just see me in #rohmacking in some other network 23:53:53 <Ailure> So maybe you should. 23:54:59 <Sacro> rohmacking? 23:55:12 <Ailure> parody of rom-hacking 23:55:24 <Ailure> alot of members being part of a community who reverse engineer old games 23:55:36 <Ailure> It's a grey area though legally. ;) 23:55:46 <Sacro> so is openttd 23:55:49 <Ailure> true 23:55:54 <Ailure> it's reverse engineering too 23:55:55 <Ailure> ROM hackers 23:56:17 <Ailure> I mean, alot of teqniques are similar. 23:56:36 <Ailure> The code was decompiled from machine code to assembly, then converted into C? 23:56:42 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F2299.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 23:57:46 <Bjarni> actually all the C code is written by humans 23:58:15 <Bjarni> even though some of it could make that statement questionable :P 23:58:45 <Ailure> I see ;p 23:59:02 <Ailure> though I done my fair share of reverse engineering 23:59:08 <Ailure> such as figuring the level format for some old NES game 23:59:15 <Bjarni> I specially like the function without comments and the variables were named b and bb and stuff like that 23:59:43 <Ailure> I yet have to see that in the source 23:59:45 <glx> is there still function like that? 23:59:48 <Ailure> but I admit I hadn't digged in the source much 23:59:55 <Bjarni> I think it was cleaned up at some point