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(Möge der Saft mit euch sein!)] 01:07:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:52 <cristian> ok gracias por responder,che 01:10:10 *** cristian [cristian@186.59.20.3] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 01:13:20 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 01:14:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 01:15:31 <_ln> i wonder if openttd has been featured on some spanish forum recently, as we've had two spanish-speakers here during the past days, and hardly anyone ever before. 01:16:07 * SmatZ has no clue 01:17:30 <SmatZ> cristian seems to be from argentina 01:17:33 <SmatZ> *argentina 01:17:37 <_ln> yeah 01:17:58 <_ln> benefits of a global language 01:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not that rare to have spanish speakers here 01:18:05 <SmatZ> :-) 01:18:57 <glx> but they usually speak english ;) 01:39:17 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: there's Terkhen, but who else? 01:39:38 <Eddi|zuHause> one regular is not enough? 01:40:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there are occasionally people who come here, but i can't name them... 01:40:46 <_ln> Terkhen is quite a new regular, afaict. 01:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 01:42:21 <_ln> just a statement, no implication. 01:44:43 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 01:46:39 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 01:58:05 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-148-35-24.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:58:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.42.4] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 02:01:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B657.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:59 *** WilliamC [~chatzilla@r75-110-44-59.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #openttd 02:02:07 <WilliamC> What port does OTTD use? 02:02:37 <Eddi|zuHause> @ports 02:02:37 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 02:04:27 <WilliamC> thanks 02:09:22 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: 5 ] 02:17:35 <WilliamC> Can soeone test out my server? 02:18:38 <glx> check servers.openttd.org 02:19:02 <glx> if it's there it works 02:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause> welcome to the night shift, where help comes more promptly than during the day :p 02:21:58 <WilliamC> It's not but I swear I setup the forwarding correctly. 02:28:08 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:13 <WilliamC> I think one of my firewall rules is preventing it from being listed. 02:28:22 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 02:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause> we can't help with that 02:30:51 <WilliamC> Can you do me a favor? 02:31:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the question safest to be answered with "no" :p 02:34:41 *** WilliamC [~chatzilla@r75-110-44-59.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091016092926]] 02:49:28 *** Lakie 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10:08:14 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:43 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db875b0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:11 *** Fanioz [~Fanioz@202.59.174.200] has joined #openttd 10:26:15 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.22] has quit [Quit: ...] 10:27:03 *** Fanioz [~Fanioz@202.59.174.200] has left #openttd [] 10:28:17 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:52 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:16 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41:24 *** pva [4e184bd6@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:44:01 <pva> hi all 10:44:28 <pva> can anyone give me directions for the openttd code? I'd like to get involved... 10:45:26 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:09 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 10:47:40 <Rubidium> depends on what you want; the question is, to me at least, ambiguous. Either you want a link to the source code or you want to know where "something" is handling in the source code 10:55:15 *** Axil [~Axil@95.109.106.244] has joined #openttd 10:55:41 *** Axil [~Axil@95.109.106.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:38 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@CPE-121-210-80-70.slzx1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 11:04:29 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE827.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:43 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 11:22:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 11:41:40 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:41:40 <dihedral> he seems very interested :-P 11:53:22 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 11:55:17 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:15 *** bartavelle [~coincoin@62.160.114.161] has joined #openttd 12:02:09 <bartavelle> hello 12:02:34 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.42.4] has joined #openttd 12:02:43 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:43 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 12:05:57 <pva> sorry, I had lunch :) 12:07:13 <pva> my intention is to understand the architecture: I am really impressed by the performance and stability 12:08:55 <pva> Actually my first idea was to add 'cases' to strings. But then I found that it is already available (but not used though). 12:09:24 <planetmaker> it is used, pva 12:09:26 <pva> So now I just want to understand the main picture. 12:09:32 <planetmaker> just not in the English language 12:09:41 <pva> not for russian... :( 12:09:54 <planetmaker> if it's not needed there... 12:10:07 <planetmaker> it's a task for translators to handle that properly 12:10:14 <pva> :))))))))))) 12:10:22 <pva> yes, I agree 12:10:35 <pva> but believe me, cases are needed in russian 12:10:35 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.157.243] has joined #openttd 12:10:48 <planetmaker> Well. But maybe not for the translation of OpenTTD. 12:11:10 <planetmaker> Most languages need them. But some don't need them for translating the strings in OpenTTD 12:11:29 <pva> I just see that russian translation sometimes... not acceptable. 12:11:38 <planetmaker> then become a translator. 12:11:41 <planetmaker> and make it better 12:11:56 <pva> Good idea, I'll givi it a try. 12:12:22 <planetmaker> It's a very easy thing to do. Just register as translator. You'll be accepted within 24h usually and then just go to translator.openttd.org and change the strings which need them 12:12:28 <pva> But anyway, I'd like to explore the project. 12:12:30 <planetmaker> nice and easy web interface for it 12:12:47 <planetmaker> Then get the code and have a look 12:13:03 <pva> ok 12:13:05 <planetmaker> Also the doxygen documentation might help you. 12:13:12 <planetmaker> it's all online, too 12:13:27 <pva> Yes, it is very nice. I saw it 12:14:02 <planetmaker> but you'll have a hard time, if you go and ask "please walk me through OpenTTD's code (structure)". 12:14:06 <pva> I just wonder if any general overview is available or not. 12:14:07 <planetmaker> That's a task which cannot be done. 12:14:33 <pva> no-no, it is not necessary :) 12:14:47 <pva> I just wanted to find an overview 12:14:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B60A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:21 <planetmaker> well... what does constitute an "overview" in your eyes? 12:15:26 <pva> the closest thing I found is the description of namespaces 12:15:30 <planetmaker> the source files all have well-chosen names 12:16:24 <planetmaker> I also assume, you know tt-forums.net ? 12:16:43 <pva> ok, I just need the edge to start. So again, the first thing I wanted to change was Format(), but it is already featured enough... 12:16:43 <planetmaker> There's quite an active development sub-forum for OpenTTD where a lot of people publish their source patches 12:17:04 <pva> Yes, I have sources and so on. 12:17:05 <planetmaker> From those discussions you might also get an impression on how it works 12:17:38 <pva> Ah, ok. Thanks for the hint 12:17:55 <pva> I didn't dig through forum... 12:19:08 <pva> Ok, one more question: is OpenTTD development independent on TTDPatch dev? 12:19:45 <Eddi|zuHause> fairly independent 12:20:33 <planetmaker> quite. It's different programmes 12:20:44 <planetmaker> They share a common newgrf format for extensions 12:21:10 <dihedral> and do not ask which one is better :-P 12:21:18 <planetmaker> ^ indeed. Never. 12:21:21 <pva> OpenTTD is. 12:21:24 <planetmaker> no 12:21:31 <pva> :) I didn't ask 12:21:32 <planetmaker> Don't state which one is better either ;-) 12:21:44 <planetmaker> the results will be ugly 12:21:58 <planetmaker> They're different :-) 12:22:10 <pva> I wouldn't get involved into the holy war :) 12:22:36 <pva> I didn't play TTDPatch, so I have nothing to say and to compare with. 12:23:10 <pva> I am interested in OpenTTD, because... it is open 12:23:57 *** ltsampros [~ltsampros@ppp-94-64-208-0.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 12:24:02 *** bartavelle [~coincoin@62.160.114.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:22 <Ammler> TTDPatch is open too 12:28:34 <pva> Is it available for MacOS X? 12:28:49 <planetmaker> TTDP: no. OpenTTD: yes 12:28:58 <pva> ok, thank you 12:29:11 *** ltsampro1 [~ltsampros@athedsl-419511.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:21 <planetmaker> You can earn merits by fixing all OSX-related bugs. 12:29:52 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2782?project=1&order=id&sort=desc 12:29:56 <pva> Unfortunately, I am win/*nix programmer. I just like to use MacOSX 12:30:09 <planetmaker> h?? 12:30:30 <planetmaker> you use MacOS but programme on win/*nix? That doesn't make sense... 12:31:44 <pva> I _did not_ program for mac os x yet 12:32:04 <planetmaker> then start now 12:32:05 <pva> I just mean that I have no experience with all this cocoa etc. 12:32:05 <planetmaker> :-) 12:32:08 <pva> :) 12:33:06 *** bartavelle [~coincoin@62.160.114.161] has joined #openttd 12:33:15 *** Axil [~Axil@95.109.106.244] has joined #openttd 12:33:27 <planetmaker> there's a horde of people "oh, yeah, I want to help. But I don't know how to programme" Especially, if it comes to maintaining the OSX port 12:34:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f9ca:56d8:eaf4:1b33] has joined #openttd 12:34:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:35:41 <pva> I know how to program for about fifteen years... I see no need of my help now: I thought that there is a problem with 'cases', but there isn't. 12:36:19 <pva> I was impressed with TTD when it appeared and I am impressed still. 12:36:31 <pva> So I want to understand it. That's it. 12:37:06 <planetmaker> ... whatever 12:37:09 <pva> I am pretty sure, as soon as I understand details, I will suggest fixes/features. 12:43:22 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 12:44:24 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:48 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 12:45:42 <dihedral> <pva> Is it available for MacOS X? <- now i like that comment 12:45:54 <dihedral> so.... are you interested in doing some os x specific coding?? 12:46:22 <pva> not yet. I _have_ to understand the project first. 12:46:43 <dihedral> but.... there definately is space for os x coding :-) 12:46:47 <pva> I have already applied for translator to fix the most annoying things. 12:46:48 <Xaroth> o/ dihedral 12:47:11 <pva> And after this I will have a look at max os x coding :) 12:47:42 <pva> But personally, the project is pretty stable under Leopard, why bother? :) 12:47:57 <Xaroth> because it's not pretty and not stable under snow leopard :P 12:48:13 <pva> :) 12:48:29 <pva> I have no show leo yet :) 12:50:14 <dihedral> show leo :-P 12:50:21 <dihedral> i have not showed leo either 12:50:34 <dihedral> how on earth is leo then ever going to know? 12:51:20 <Xaroth> rawr 12:51:38 <pva> :) 12:51:44 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa5f5.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:53:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:06:34 *** marc-andre [~chatzilla@86.139.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:44 <marc-andre> hiho 13:07:46 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 13:07:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:08:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:08:17 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:09:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179053160.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:11:10 <marc-andre> i miss brianetta's standard server... 13:14:02 *** pva [4e184bd6@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:18:55 *** ltsampro1 [~ltsampros@ppp-94-64-198-87.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 13:19:05 <Rubidium> most people do 13:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like to mention that "most people" didn't even know about its existence :p 13:20:15 <Rubidium> then why are most people that look for a 'good' server mention brianetta's server? 13:20:27 <marc-andre> yeah 13:20:50 <marc-andre> and everywhere is nrianetta's server THE reference for a good ottd server 13:20:57 <marc-andre> *brianetta 13:21:38 <marc-andre> i'll set up a replacement server for brianetta's standard... 13:22:02 <Noldo> what is it that made it so good? 13:22:11 <marc-andre> the way you played in it 13:22:16 <planetmaker> admin-attention 13:22:17 <Rubidium> Noldo: the active moderator! 13:22:18 <marc-andre> the newGRFs used 13:22:38 <planetmaker> a good server needs an admin which is reachable. 13:22:44 <marc-andre> yub yub 13:22:48 <planetmaker> There's at most a hand full of servers which have that 13:23:33 *** ltsampros [~ltsampros@ppp-94-64-208-0.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:53 <marc-andre> planetmaker: but not the same rules 13:24:08 <marc-andre> planetmaker: nor the same conditions you played with 13:24:51 <marc-andre> how many times did i go into a server, created a company, built a line and went off for an hour to actually work and come back just to see that my company got cleaned 13:26:10 <LordAzamath> well if they didn't erase your companies, all servers would be full with idle companies 13:26:16 <LordAzamath> for people who actually DONT come back 13:26:51 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa5f5.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 13:28:47 <glx> autoclean is ok, but not after 1 hour 13:28:48 <Belugas> hello 13:29:13 <Eddi|zuHause> 1h == 4 years 13:31:47 <glx> 4 years is quite short for auto clean 13:34:22 <planetmaker> it should be like 30 hours (real-time) or so. 13:34:34 <planetmaker> at least if the game runs longer than a day 13:34:59 <planetmaker> at least for protected companies 13:34:59 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.231.116] has joined #openttd 13:35:03 <planetmaker> :-) 13:38:39 <Splex> when i scroll the map using RMB, the movement is as really slow, much slower than my mouse cursor sensitivity.. anyone else having this problem? 13:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Splex: is it the same when the game is paused? 13:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes => it's your graphics driver 13:39:55 <Eddi|zuHause> no => your game is too big 13:40:00 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 13:40:53 <Splex> same paused as unpaused 13:41:07 <Splex> i tried changing the map size and that doesn't change things 13:41:50 <dihedral> <Rubidium> then why are most people that look for a 'good' server mention brianetta's server? <- most people looking for a good server != most people :-P 13:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Splex: then the next information you need to gather is your OS, the backend used, and the blitter used 13:42:20 <Belugas> and the Openttd version 13:42:25 <Belugas> LATEST DOES NOT APPLY 13:43:07 *** pva [4e184bd6@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:43:36 <dihedral> planetmaker, you sould set up a server admind by openttdcoop admins but not played in coop ^^ 13:43:56 <Splex> Eddi|zuHause, 0.7.3, Archlinux, 32bpp-anim 13:44:11 <planetmaker> dihedral, we once had a stable 0.7.0 server (when that was current) 13:44:13 <Splex> i tried 32bpp-optimized as well, same problem 13:44:21 <planetmaker> was quite fun actually. But... 13:44:36 <dihedral> planetmaker, there ONCE was a server by brian :-P 13:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Splex: and if you try 8bpp? 13:44:40 <planetmaker> haha :-) 13:44:50 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.231.116] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 13:45:06 <planetmaker> yes, once. But dunno whether I want to maintain such server, too 13:45:22 <planetmaker> Only, if I get a proper web interface for managing it. 13:45:29 <planetmaker> e.g. a working web config again 13:45:30 <Splex> Eddi|zuHause, 8bpp-optimized is the same. 13:45:49 <planetmaker> btw, dih, openttdlib seems to act a bit funny lately... 13:45:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Splex: ATI card? 13:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Splex: it's most likely your graphic card driver not providing 2D-acceleration 13:46:46 <Splex> nvidia 13:46:50 <dihedral> planetmaker, show me 13:46:54 <dihedral> link? 13:47:59 <Splex> Eddi|zuHause, the framerate is fast, also.. it wasn't a problem before in earlier versions 13:48:06 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejf16.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:48:25 <Ammler> planetmaker: don't give him a link from openttdcoop.org ;-) 13:48:29 <Splex> Eddi|zuHause, 0.7.2 works great, same settings. 13:49:05 <Ammler> (there something else is buggy, I fear) 13:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Splex: then check if it switched between sdl and allegro as backend 13:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Splex: other than that, i have no idea 13:49:48 <Ammler> oh we should still start our server called " ! ! ! " 13:51:49 <glx> Splex: start with -d driver1 to check what drivers are used 13:51:51 <Belugas> of course, this is exactly trhe kind of server i'd never connect to... 13:51:58 <Splex> Eddi|zuHause, that is the problem. 13:52:05 <Ammler> Belugas: check the first 10 servers :-D 13:52:06 <Splex> I did -v sdl and all is working 13:52:15 <Splex> strange that it changed the default like that 13:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure if 0.7.2 even had allegro 13:52:48 <Splex> Eddi|zuHause, I will check 13:53:08 <Splex> Eddi|zuHause, its not an option 13:53:14 <dihedral> Ammler: i would be able to tell if it's openttdcoop or openttdlib :-P 13:53:17 <planetmaker> Ammler, you think it's the publicserver screwing, not openttdlib? 13:53:31 <Ammler> it is since I moved the web to my server 13:53:43 <planetmaker> like ps.openttdcoop.org ? 13:53:46 <Belugas> "There are 130 clients, 180 IPv4 servers and 2 IPv6 servers." 13:53:55 <planetmaker> oh... well. Then it's a good idea indeed to re-do everything :-) 13:53:56 <Belugas> incredible... as always, more servers than clients 13:54:10 <LordAzamath> lmao 13:54:11 <Ammler> KenjiE20: is working on it ;-) 13:54:30 <Belugas> what's the use of so many servers??? Apart comforting the admins ego... 13:54:43 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/OpenTTDLib/latest/example2.php <- Ammler, planetmaker 13:54:47 <planetmaker> Belugas, why apart? ;-) 13:55:09 <Ammler> dihedral: I am aware of it's working ;-) 13:55:11 <Belugas> indeed :) 13:55:32 <planetmaker> sorry dih :-) Obviously then it's my mis-conception :-) 13:55:38 <Splex> Eddi|zuHause, thanks for the help 13:55:41 <dihedral> well, you can still show me 13:55:53 <planetmaker> well. ps.openttdcoop.org :-) 13:56:05 <Ammler> such a short grflist but still obsolete grfs in there :-( 13:56:30 <planetmaker> Ammler, I've seen worse. PSG with red marked grfs... 13:56:46 <dihedral> planetmaker, OpenTTDLib_Page_Detail_Info() 13:56:52 <dihedral> go back do brians server 13:57:00 <dihedral> there was a functions.php or something in the theme 13:57:15 <planetmaker> ah, ok 13:57:21 <planetmaker> maybe that's it then 13:57:21 <dihedral> at least grep for the function name 13:57:26 <dihedral> in the wordpress folder 13:57:32 <dihedral> i believe you are basically missing that 13:57:35 <Ammler> yeah, everything copied 13:57:51 <Ammler> my server is the issue, maybe fw or a missing lib or so... 13:58:27 <dihedral> yes, it should be in the functions.php 13:58:31 <LordAzamath> Is there any way to make OpenTTD automagically download anything from Bananas without actually having the original graphics. Like a clean install. 13:58:42 <LordAzamath> Or do I have to get them manually :P 13:58:53 <Ammler> afaik windows nightly installer does that 13:59:15 <dihedral> then you are missing the openttdlib install directory 13:59:35 <glx> Ammler: it does, but nightlies don't use installer ;) 13:59:49 <dihedral> http://paste.openttd.org/217613 13:59:58 <dihedral> that's the thing you would need in functions.php 14:00:07 <dihedral> as of line 5 14:00:43 *** Axil [~Axil@95.109.106.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:53 *** Axil [~Axil@95.109.106.244] has joined #openttd 14:02:29 <dihedral> so in / you need the folder openttdlib ONLY containing the libs 14:03:10 *** Axil [~Axil@95.109.106.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:19 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 14:09:33 <Ammler> thanks dihedral, I will tell it to our mates :-) 14:29:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:34:18 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:34:33 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:44:22 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:51:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:02:41 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:03:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:03:19 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:06:05 *** pva [4e184bd6@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 15:07:08 *** pva [4e184bd6@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:39 *** bb10 [~nnscript@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:13:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:16:53 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091016092926]] 15:23:25 * Xaroth prods Ammler 15:23:28 <Xaroth> you broke your redmine yet? :P 15:24:56 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 15:26:57 <Ammler> no, I have no idea, how :-) 15:27:09 <Xaroth> heh 15:27:28 <Ammler> but well, the system has 1GB ram, so this might be the difference 15:27:42 <Ammler> and i use trunk 15:27:53 <Xaroth> yeh, but using 1gb ram on a single web app is a bit OTT :P 15:28:12 <Ammler> we don't have vm's, everything on the same 15:28:27 <Xaroth> still, what's the mem usage of redmine atm? 15:28:34 <Ammler> 15MB 15:28:36 <Xaroth> o_O 15:30:12 <Ammler> no, it is 15% 15:30:17 <Xaroth> so, 160mb 15:33:35 <Ammler> 4 rupy processes together use that, yes. 15:34:01 <Ammler> with top that is 15:34:54 <Ammler> and the apache modul uses another 5% 15:35:12 <Ammler> mysql 2% 15:36:49 <Ammler> and around daily, the apache does restart because of either not reachable at all or "derailed" 15:37:32 <Ammler> since I "tunned" mysql, that seems fine 15:39:12 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1646586 <-- that is my monitoring tool :-) 15:43:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:45:46 *** Stephan [4d4095bc@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:45:56 <Stephan> hello, anybody here? 15:46:05 <Zuu> Yes 15:46:13 <Zuu> There are lots of people here :-) 15:46:28 <Stephan> but all idle :D 15:46:47 <Stephan> anyway, does anybody know what happened to Brianetta's standard server? 15:47:02 <Rubidium> yes 15:47:07 <Zuu> It was closed because he didn't play on it himself for like a year or so. 15:47:20 <Stephan> me neither :D 15:47:25 <Rubidium> some guy called Brianetta thought he didn't play enough on the server so he decided to stop it 15:47:27 <Stephan> that's why I wondered 15:47:34 <Stephan> too bad. 15:47:56 <Stephan> can you give me a hint which servers are aimed at realistic gameplay 15:47:57 <Stephan> ? 15:48:02 <Zuu> Well, how should you be able to take responsibility for a server that you don't play on yourself. 15:48:53 <Stephan> you know, with nice people and no jerks that build stupid networks 15:49:00 <Goulp> what do you mean *realistic gameplay* ? 15:49:20 <Stephan> like not aimed at plain money making or speed 15:49:59 <Rubidium> so, bye bye all servers with 'goal' in their name :) 15:50:20 <Stephan> a server with people that adhere to common sense when building a network 15:50:34 <Stephan> and not scraping through the entire landscape 15:50:40 <Rubidium> then ignore all servers not running your prefered version and servers without clients/companies 15:50:48 <Stephan> :-P 15:51:00 <Stephan> Brianetta's server was really nice actually 15:51:05 <Stephan> something comparable to that 15:51:09 <Rubidium> should leave say... maybe 10% of the servers 15:51:20 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 15:52:02 <Stephan> and which ones are these 10%? any ideas? 15:52:02 <Rubidium> sometimes ottdcoop might be somewhat for you, although they focus on performance they sometimes have a 'no terraform' rule 15:52:13 <Stephan> ah, sounds good 15:52:35 <planetmaker> but we usually don't feature more than one company. 15:52:52 <Stephan> ah that means all people work together in one company 15:52:53 <planetmaker> So... what is going to be built is a common decision 15:52:57 <planetmaker> yes 15:53:11 <Zuu> dihedral had a nice server, especially when it was called "fair play server". 15:53:13 <planetmaker> that's why we call ourselves #openttd*coop* 15:53:26 <planetmaker> also true, Zuu 15:53:38 <Stephan> fair play... that's the term I'm looking for, I guess 15:53:41 <planetmaker> also fell into decay... 15:53:45 <planetmaker> :-( 15:53:46 <Stephan> aww 15:53:57 <pva> isn't it a matter of the game balance? I mean, 'fair play' 15:54:20 <planetmaker> not really, pva. At least to my opinion 15:54:27 <Stephan> yes, sure. but the balance can also be how you build your networks 15:54:57 <Stephan> a well balanced network between profit making and "beauty", so to speak 15:54:59 <pva> I can win without any network 15:55:09 <pva> just with planes, you know 15:55:18 <Stephan> whatever. 15:56:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18fee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:10 <planetmaker> Stephan, that's the balance you have to decide yourself. But not the "game balance" :-) 15:56:14 <Stephan> so there aren't any servers comparable to Brianetta's or dihedral's? 15:56:17 <pva> but it is a bug in my opinion and I usually use it to relax a little bit :) 15:56:23 <planetmaker> pva, not on a server w/o planes ;-) 15:56:32 <pva> haha, yeah 15:56:46 <planetmaker> ships only server :-D 15:56:55 <planetmaker> ships with yapf pf 15:58:13 <pva> buses annoy, too... 15:59:03 *** pva [4e184bd6@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 16:02:28 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 16:04:38 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:02 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:07:24 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-228-179.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:45 *** marc-andre [~chatzilla@86.139.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:24 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.29] has left #openttd [] 16:10:38 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 16:11:03 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:55 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 16:13:26 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:42 *** Stephan [4d4095bc@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 16:16:02 *** N35_ [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:16:07 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd650.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:33 *** tosse_ [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:41 <Zuu> Hmmm, any GRF artists that uses Gimp? Seams that you need a plugin to save the palette from an existing pcx file to something Gimp can use in the color selection palette. :-s 16:21:41 <Ammler> no 16:22:11 <Zuu> I got an idea for the fizzy drinks industry for OpenGFX. 16:22:12 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/documents/2 16:22:37 <Zuu> Oh, nice didn't find those. 16:22:38 <planetmaker> Zuu, do you need basically the TTD palettes for gimp? Or...? 16:23:45 <planetmaker> he, seems you found what you looked for ;-) 16:23:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:05 <frosch123> [17:21] <Zuu> I got an idea for the fizzy drinks industry for OpenGFX. <- don't forget the special fizzy drink colour cycle :) 16:24:28 <planetmaker> frosch123, that's action colours then :-) 16:24:28 <Sacro> Can all UK voters please lobby their MP - http://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/ask-your-mp-to-help-protect-our-freedoms-on-the-net 16:24:42 <Zuu> Let me come up with a base first :-) 16:24:46 <planetmaker> so... you might want to use the full newgrf palette 16:25:09 <planetmaker> take your time :-) 16:25:20 <Zuu> A bit further away from my 20 secods paper draft. :-) 16:25:26 <Zuu> seconds* 16:26:05 <blathijs> Sacro: What's an MP? 16:26:17 <planetmaker> member of parliament? 16:26:37 <Zuu> Ammler: Thanks for that link. Worked good 16:26:39 <blathijs> Ah, right 16:27:41 <Xaroth> < Ammler> and around daily, the apache does restart because of either not reachable at all or "derailed" << in other words, the app is structurally failing and you accept it to do so :P 16:27:58 <Ammler> no, it is quite ugly 16:28:54 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:32:21 *** ecke [~ecke@88.86.107.135] has joined #openttd 16:34:15 <Sacro> blathijs: what planetmaker said 16:40:25 *** ecke [~ecke@88.86.107.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:35 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 16:43:54 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:49:43 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:07 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 16:59:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18fee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 16:59:43 <dihedral> i have not hosted a game for a bit now 17:00:02 <dihedral> not entirely sure i want to start it again :-P 17:03:09 <Belugas> please no!!! DON'T!!!!! 17:04:22 <dihedral> well.... of course just to annoy you 17:04:36 <Belugas> prrrrrt 17:04:50 * dihedral pats Belugas on the head 17:05:21 <Belugas> bleblebleblebleb 17:05:23 <frosch123> dihedral: every server needs some unique property. so use 0.5.0 rc 4 17:05:49 <dihedral> define property ^^ 17:06:02 <frosch123> "by dih" is not enough 17:06:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:07:48 <dihedral> 0.5.0 rc4 was in fact the first version i ran as a server :-P 17:08:11 <frosch123> :o 17:09:46 <dihedral> perhaps i'd run one when avignon, the new autopilot, is that far ^^ 17:10:24 <Goulp> sur le pont d'avignon... 17:10:37 <dihedral> i hear that everytime!!! 17:13:31 <Belugas> duh! 17:13:42 <dihedral> 176 clients, 186 IPv4 servers and 1 IPv6 servers <- just 11 players short..... 17:13:59 <dihedral> then we'd have one player per server :-P 17:14:08 <Zuu> Oh, cool accidently got some action colors for the fizzy drinks. Now the drinks flash :-) 17:16:45 *** pavel1269 [~chatzilla@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:22:15 <Belugas> the flash comes from the sun reflecting on the aluminium of the drink while the user is swalloing it 17:22:35 <Belugas> ... whatever... insatinyy 17:22:53 *** bartavelle [~coincoin@62.160.114.161] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:23:27 <dihedral> Belugas you are in a lovely mood today 17:23:38 *** pavel1269 [~chatzilla@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 17:29:41 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:31:46 <Belugas> yu havent seen me yesterday... 17:32:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179053160.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:51 <dihedral> well, then at least you are improving 17:33:59 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-226.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:35:39 <Belugas> hehehe 17:35:42 <Belugas> so you think :) 17:35:56 <Goulp> one client per server, a client might be a spectator, and not a player 17:36:06 <Belugas> let say that if i didn't kicked anyone would not mean i'm in a gloruious goody mood :) 17:39:48 <dihedral> Goulp: even specs are clients!!! 17:46:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r17896 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) 17:46:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell 17:46:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 17:46:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 17:46:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: greek - 100 changes by fumantsu 17:46:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: indonesian - 2 changes by prof 17:47:04 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:54:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA35F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:06:49 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejf16.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 18:08:59 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:15:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:32 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@130.138.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:27 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:18:35 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 18:19:01 *** mark [~chatzilla@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:23:56 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.157.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa5f5.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r17897 /trunk/src/ (8 files): 18:31:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3255]: CB15 and CB36 (capacity) were not always called when they should. 18:31:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Move capacity calculation to a single function for all vehicle types, so the behaviour can be kept consistent easier. 18:32:19 *** muep_ [~muep@www.sse.fi] has joined #openttd 18:32:22 <muep_> hi 18:33:01 <muep_> if I place a railway station next to an iron ore mine, should I expect iron ore to eventually get there? 18:33:22 <Rubidium> only if: 18:33:32 <Rubidium> a) at least one train tried to pick it up 18:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> b) not more than one other station with higher rating is surrounding the mine 18:34:20 <Rubidium> b) you have disabled the 'deliver cargo to station only when there is demand' option 18:35:05 <muep_> need to check 18:35:18 <Rubidium> hmm, for clarity: from my options you need at least one 18:35:37 <Rubidium> and Eddi|zuHause's option is required in any case 18:35:47 <muep_> thanks 18:36:48 <muep_> I had the problem with an iron ore train waiting on the station, but getting no ore from there 18:39:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1BFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> with some train sets, you have to make sure the wagon is actually refitted to ore 18:41:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2A0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:58:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:00:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B60A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:54 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.230.143] has joined #openttd 19:02:39 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@214.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:05:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:07:05 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-226.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 19:14:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.173.61] has joined #openttd 19:17:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B60A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.161.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:20 *** Spucoly [~Spucoly@cpe-76-185-83-74.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:26:14 <Spucoly> Could any one tell me how to open openttd 7.3. I'v set up the .gif and .cat file like in the pre vr's. what am i doing wrong 19:26:39 <Spucoly> Hello 19:28:24 *** Spucoly [~Spucoly@cpe-76-185-83-74.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [] 19:30:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.114.245] has joined #openttd 19:33:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:20 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.230.143] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 19:33:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.114.245] has quit [] 19:33:41 <Belugas> gif? 19:33:46 <Belugas> vr's? 19:33:50 <Belugas> open? 19:33:53 <Belugas> 7.3? 19:33:56 <Belugas> ho boy... 19:34:03 <Belugas> and 2 minutes!!!! 19:34:06 <Belugas> ho booo! 19:35:03 <Muxy> double click on the openttd.exe, and read error message if any. Windows, linux, ?? 19:35:14 <Zuu> LOL, wondered why I couldn't remove a pink special color pixel just to a few tries realize that it was not pink, but transparent. There was a pink tree behind. (toyland) 19:35:26 *** ecke [~ecke@88.86.107.135] has joined #openttd 19:52:04 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18fee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:07 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 20:16:01 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r17898 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (4 files): -Fix: [NoAI] Improve behaviour of (AIEngine|AIEventEnginePreview)::GetCargoType() and AIEngine::CanRefitCargo() wrt. articulated vehicles. 20:21:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:21:33 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B778E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B778E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:32 <dihedral> why do people assume everybody is running windows? :-S 20:32:09 <frosch123> maybe they do not know something else 20:32:44 <frosch123> maybe they do not know about windows either, and take it as synonym for computer 20:32:46 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 20:33:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i know people who think the computer is the bright thingie on the desk, and after years wonder what that weird useless box underneath is for 20:34:38 <frosch123> hehe, my mother usually calls it "motor" as it does all the noise 20:36:01 <Chruker> Mine often calls it the CPU 20:40:53 *** welterde [welterde@not.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:41:36 *** welterde [welterde@not.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 20:46:46 <Belugas> which make her a little more savvy than the vast majority 20:47:01 *** mark [~chatzilla@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:35 *** welterde [welterde@not.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:15 *** bb10 [~nnscript@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:28 *** welterde [welterde@not.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 20:48:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.114.245] has joined #openttd 20:50:56 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 20:59:25 <_ln> probably the most interesting sand-related video on the tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOhf3OvRXKg 21:02:46 <andythenorth> evening 21:02:54 <Zuu> good night andy 21:03:34 <Zuu> Or was that a greeting? :-s 21:03:49 *** teeone [oryan@look.at.all.my.lackies.com] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 21:07:48 *** teeone [oryan@look.at.all.my.lackies.com] has joined #openttd 21:09:50 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r17899 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: Deduplicate code for refitting vehicles. 21:09:56 *** ecke_ [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:10:15 <andythenorth> Zuu: greeting :) 21:10:31 *** ecke [~ecke@88.86.107.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:31 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@184.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:10:33 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:10:49 <Ammler> Zuu: would you also like to code the sprites? 21:11:31 <Zuu> I have been able to encode them back into a grf as you might see from the screenshot. 21:11:41 <Zuu> Didn't make any changes to the dimensions or anything. 21:12:57 <Zuu> But at the end it might be easier if i just give you the sprites and possible alignment changes and then you can put them into the set. Since I have no idea how I would do that. I mean do you just keep the entire pcx file or do you have some kind of compiler for that file? 21:15:12 <Ammler> we compile the parts together 21:15:30 <Zuu> Looking at the website I got the impression of that. 21:15:48 <Ammler> but the nfo is still one big file :-) 21:16:01 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:11 <Zuu> Sure, but version control for text files is a lot better too :-) 21:16:29 <Ammler> well, you know the address? 21:16:36 <Ammler> if you like to provide a patch :-) 21:17:03 <Zuu> Well, the first step is to actually have some nfo changes. (which I do not have at the moment) 21:17:14 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.42.4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:16 <Ammler> but it is up2you, I guess, we should also be able to include it without patch ;-) 21:17:33 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:33 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 21:17:36 <Zuu> Not sure if I shall try to resolve the tap-issue before submitting it. 21:17:53 <Zuu> And in that case there will be some nfo involved. 21:17:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.42.4] has joined #openttd 21:18:05 <Ammler> you mean nfo Actions? 21:18:18 <Zuu> No, just changing the size of the sprites. 21:18:30 <Zuu> Rubidium just told me that is possible. 21:18:56 <Zuu> But I guess that to big enlargements can cause blitting problems too. 21:18:58 <Ammler> yes, it is. 21:20:53 <Eddi|zuHause> maximum sprite size is 256, afaik 21:21:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't really know what you're talking about 21:21:49 <frosch123> Zuu: actually you cannot cut the sprites like that without causing glitches with foundations 21:22:12 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:22:26 <Zuu> frosch123: Cutting like what? 21:22:45 <Zuu> Like I have done on tt-forums or as I am planing to try? 21:22:52 <frosch123> on tt-forums 21:23:12 <Zuu> That was how they appeared in the pcx file I decoded. 21:23:16 <frosch123> put the factory on foundations, and you should see 21:23:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:03 <frosch123> hmm, oh, maybe you are right 21:24:16 <Zuu> Looks good on foundations here. (with the version that is on tt-forums) 21:24:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:25:08 <frosch123> in that case you have to make sure that 4742 and 4741 are cut between the left corner of the south tile and the right corner of the west tile 21:26:30 <Zuu> Okay, then my overlap won't work. Even if it will be mostly transparent? 21:26:47 <frosch123> transparency does not count 21:27:48 <Zuu> "4742 sprites/ogfx1_base.pcx 674 21000 09 78 23 -22 -53" <-- how do I change the width of the sprite (+ 8 pixels) 21:28:11 <frosch123> 78 23 <- that are y and x dimensions 21:28:16 <Zuu> Thanks 21:28:21 <frosch123> -22 -53 <- that is the offset 21:28:35 <frosch123> i.e. whether you want to enlarge to left/top/right/bottom 21:28:42 <Zuu> In decimal or hex? 21:28:49 <frosch123> mind that size is in y and x, and offset is in x and y 21:28:52 <frosch123> all decimal 21:28:58 <Zuu> Nice :-) 21:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that format is usually described in the 3rd line of the NFO 21:30:46 <frosch123> of course you could also press ctrl+b and make sure that the sprites to not extend over their individual bounding boxes 21:31:04 <Zuu> Eddi: You are right, I was too quick on locating the correct line in the file. 21:37:24 <Zuu> Okay testing it, the 4741 sprite is drawn ontop of 4742, so extending the tap "over" that sprite does not help. But I think I'll extend it as much as possible to not make it hover in the air at least. :-) 21:40:49 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 21:42:49 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@169.75.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:42:52 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@130.138.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:22 <Zuu> Hmm, it is not deterministic which order the different parts appear? 21:50:53 <Rubidium> technically it is (input being 'location' of the tile loop at construction + location of the industry), visually probably not so 21:52:04 <Eddi|zuHause> means it is deterministic, but not constant 21:53:15 <Ammler> afaik the sprites shouldn't overlap anyway 21:53:23 <Ammler> as that migth glitch the transparent mode 21:55:13 <Zuu> Right now there is a small overlap of a few pixels, but I can remove that with the consequence of having a hovering tap for a few seconds. 21:55:57 <Zuu> It looks okay in transparent mode too. But if it is out of principle I can remove it. 21:57:56 <frosch123> Zuu: as all three sprites are drawn in bounding boxes, 4741 is always drawn in front. the other two are not defined in their order 21:59:27 <frosch123> but it might get cropped nevertheless if it extends to far to left and right 21:59:53 <Zuu> Yea, unless i do major work I will have a small glitch at the construction phase. The question is though if I should limit the glitch a bit by having a small overlap of the transparent parts of the sprites. 22:02:12 <Zuu> I could include the tap already in 4738, but then that sprite will need to be moved around a bit in the pcx file, and I rather keep it simple. 22:03:59 *** ecke_ [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:27 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 22:10:38 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@214.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:11:16 <Zuu> Ammler: Unless there is an objection against the slight overlap I think the Fuzzy drinks factory can be added now. I'd better spend my time on the toy factory or something else than polishing the fuzzy drinks factory to death. That a better artist can do later on. :-) 22:13:45 <Ammler> there is a comment in the according ticket, no idea, what that means :-) http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/115#note-2 22:14:19 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 22:17:28 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18fee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:37 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.106.139] has joined #openttd 22:25:22 <Zuu> Ammler: Okay, I guess you have a backup-script runnig right now or something becaue the site is unaccesible. So I'll have to wait a little before reading that. 22:28:02 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd650.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:03 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 22:32:44 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485B3A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.114.245] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:34:15 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 22:34:53 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:53 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 22:43:41 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 22:44:55 <|Terkhen|> good night 22:44:58 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@184.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:54:20 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa5f5.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:59:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B60A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:17 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 23:02:58 <Zuu> good night 23:03:00 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:54 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 23:03:54 *** Ammler [~ammler@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 23:03:54 *** FooBar [~FooBar@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: make clean && exit - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 23:04:05 <Belugas> good night 23:05:02 <SmatZ> good night, Belugas 23:05:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B60A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:21:14 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:16 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@169.75.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:30:28 *** MyCatVer1s [~mycatverb@62-31-161-29.cable.ubr11.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:32:32 *** MyCatVer1s is now known as MyCatSchemes 23:33:14 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:00 *** FooBar [~FooBar@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:35:22 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:35:59 *** Ammler [~ammler@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:36:22 *** Ammler is now known as Guest161 23:37:25 *** Guest161 is now known as Ammler 23:38:58 *** MyCatVerbs [~mycatverb@lurkingfox.co.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:39:37 *** MyCatSchemes is now known as MyCatVerbs 23:40:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA35F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:54 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:58:15 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd