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00:00:15 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 00:02:41 *** kyzz [kyzz@c-71-63-176-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:05:20 *** PeterT|Irssi [~Peter@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:47 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:16:01 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 00:24:06 <PeterT> SmatZ: So, I see that the Big Brother patch implements a GUI of sorts. Does it actually log anything to file? 00:24:07 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 00:26:05 <ccfreak2k> Big Brother patch? 00:26:34 *** mrcool [~mrcool@ti0057a340-0279.bb.online.no] has quit [] 00:26:55 <PeterT> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/bb/ 00:27:09 <PeterT> Oh, wait 00:27:17 <PeterT> I'm looking at bb_r19111.diff 00:27:19 <PeterT> woops 00:28:57 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:29:13 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:30:28 <ccfreak2k> Smatz A and Smatz 1. 00:30:55 <PeterT> Hm? 00:32:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:10 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 00:41:30 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:44:37 *** Lakie 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<PeterT> Are you the server, or the client? 01:55:46 <CrazySpai> I'm both? 01:55:55 <PeterT> What do you mean by "end"? 01:56:04 <CrazySpai> The game ends at 2050 correct? 01:56:10 <PeterT> No 01:56:13 <CrazySpai> Oh? 01:56:16 <CrazySpai> I thought it did. 01:56:19 <PeterT> Well, it "ends", but it doesn't end. 01:56:22 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:56:27 <CrazySpai> So.. the game doesn't reset? 01:56:28 <PeterT> it says it's over, but you can continue playing 01:56:39 <PeterT> the server decides when the game resets 01:56:40 <CrazySpai> Ah 01:56:55 <CrazySpai> Alright, in that case, thank you very much :D 01:57:04 <PeterT> You're welcome 01:58:06 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 02:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a setting "restart_date" or something 02:05:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you can set that to year 5.000.000 02:06:00 <PeterT> CrazySpai: restart_game_year 02:21:56 *** [alt]buster 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quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:23 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9406:7176:eba5:2011] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:11:27 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:11:58 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:17:03 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:46:45 <CrazySpai> Thanks 04:46:48 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:47:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47:02 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 04:47:13 <CrazySpai> Is there a way to unlock bigger airports? 04:52:14 <FauxFaux> Time heals all desires for bigger airports. 04:52:37 <CrazySpai> Gotcha 04:52:46 <CrazySpai> and thanks Eddi|zuHause for the tip. 04:53:19 <CrazySpai> I'm gonna head to bed, I save the server in case my company clear command of 0 doesn't work ;) 04:55:17 *** 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06:31:08 *** kd5pbo [~root@adsl-99-72-2-234.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 06:38:29 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@45.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:38:46 <Terkhen> good morning 06:53:27 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:58:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:40 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 07:02:09 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:12:58 *** kd5pbo [~root@99.72.2.234] has joined #openttd 07:14:57 *** kd5pbo [~root@99.72.2.234] has left #openttd [] 07:15:09 *** kd5pbo [~root@99.72.2.234] has joined #openttd 07:15:27 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 07:22:17 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:25:05 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:27:48 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit 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HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@adslfixo-b3-115-114.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 10:17:02 <HackaLittleBit> good moaning 10:17:10 <roboboy> gmorning 10:17:13 <kd5pbo> Morning. 10:18:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 10:30:47 *** Exs [~Miranda@193.179.209.52] has joined #openttd 10:34:37 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@dyn-099194.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 10:38:01 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Quit: Damned if you do, damned if you don't] 10:41:07 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073186.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:37 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:55 *** electr0 [~electro_t@c-b5f9e055.264-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:51:04 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: ragzid] 10:54:29 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@adslfixo-b3-115-114.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 10:56:21 <HackaBit> Imagine I have a tunnel with defined entrance and exit, and I do not wan't the pathfinder to continue to find a path 10:56:21 <HackaBit> when the first tile it encounters from a tunnel is the exit. 10:56:21 <HackaBit> Tunnel exit works like a one way signal that can only be passed from inside tunne to outside. 10:56:21 <HackaBit> So tunnel works as one-way signal. 10:56:21 <HackaBit> I would like to use a line like: 10:56:22 <HackaBit> If (Exit(tile) && lookingdirectionis towardstunnel ) { 10:56:24 <HackaBit> found inpassable signal 10:56:28 <HackaBit> return 10:56:30 <HackaBit> } 10:56:32 <HackaBit> Question 1: 10:56:34 <HackaBit> Do I have to look in the three PathFinders.? 10:56:36 <HackaBit> Question 2: 10:56:38 <HackaBit> I would like to use YAPF, so in wich file to look? 10:56:40 <HackaBit> Is there anybody willing to give me a hint? 10:57:58 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@adslfixo-b3-115-114.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:20 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@adslfixo-b3-115-114.telepac.pt] has quit [] 10:58:37 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@adslfixo-b3-115-114.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 10:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you likely want to grep for "FollowTrack" 11:00:17 <Rubidium> 1) no, 2) have you tried searching for 'YAPF'? 11:00:36 <Rubidium> unless you're working on some old version of OpenTTD ofcourse 11:01:48 <HackaBit> working with trunk 11:02:18 * roboboy ponders trying ti apply the OpenTTD ScreenSaver patch 11:03:20 <HackaBit> but this is enough for now thanks, tonight I will contactfor more :) 11:10:17 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:20 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:11:19 <roboboy> why does it take for ever for my nightly builds of openttd to start. im using the release option 11:11:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:25:03 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Quit: Damned if you do, damned if you don't] 11:34:27 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 11:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> large data directory? 11:42:43 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it must scan all newgrfs etc. for their MD5 11:42:56 <PeterT> <roboboy> why does it take for ever for my nightly builds of openttd to start. im using the release option <-- Shit happens? 11:43:47 <roboboy> its most likel my Data dir is too large 11:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> there have been rare occurances of people having a "data" dir that had nothing to do with openttd, but was in the current working directory, so openttd scanned it 11:46:40 <roboboy> whats the best way for me to update the revision my patchpack is applied to? Would SVN update be a good idea? 11:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hg queues or git are a better idea for patch packs 11:49:19 <PeterT> roboboy: Get another clean directory, updated to the given revision, then use your patch on that dir 11:49:40 <roboboy> ok 11:49:53 <Ammler> openttd doesn't compile on the oldest suse distro anymore: http://pastebin.ca/1806670 (SLES_9) 11:50:23 <Rubidium> should we start a vote on when this patchpack becomes unmaintained (i.e. it gets so big it becomes unmaintainable)? 11:51:21 <Noldo> Ammler: which version of g++? 11:51:50 <Rubidium> why override the version with configure? 11:52:28 <roboboy> but I get to chose what goes into my patchpack 11:53:16 <Rubidium> Noldo: I guess 3.3.x 11:57:06 <Ammler> yes, installing cpp-3.3.3-43.41 12:00:43 <Rubidium> that's the c preprocessor 12:00:47 <Ammler> RHEL 4 has cpp 3-4 12:00:51 <SirSquidness> Why are there so many plane crashes in games with disasters off? 12:01:03 <Ammler> 3.4* 12:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> "gcc-c++-3.3.3-43.41" 12:02:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "gcc-3.3.3-43.41" 12:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause> those are the compilers 12:03:09 <Ammler> for those old distro, I had to make lzo2 pack, now all rpm distros on obs works fine for 1.0 12:03:34 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 12:03:44 <Ammler> (well, except sles9) 12:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> '--menu-group=Game;StrategyGame;' <-- that doesn't sound right... 12:05:32 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.111] has joined #openttd 12:06:01 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:09 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: syntax or the names? 12:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the names 12:06:24 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 12:06:24 <Ammler> what else? 12:08:04 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Quit: Damned if you do, damned if you don't] 12:08:12 <Eddi|zuHause> don't know... but "strategy" isn't really in the game description :) 12:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> something with economy... 12:09:05 <Eddi|zuHause> or simulation 12:09:19 <Rubidium> 'Urban planning and simulation game' 12:10:01 <Ammler> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry 12:10:44 <Ammler> don't think, it is simulating... 12:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "Simulation" i would choose 12:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it's way more simulation than strategy ;) 12:11:52 <Ammler> sim city is also in that caegory for example 12:12:15 <Rubidium> sim city is a strategy game? 12:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably wrong then, too ;) 12:13:06 <Eddi|zuHause> strategy is anything that involves getting to war, like civilization, master of orion, age of empires 12:13:11 <Ammler> hmm, dunno, where I initially looked 12:13:42 <Ammler> it is "Tactic & Strategy" in KDE 12:14:38 <Ammler> well, what is the official openttd dev category? 12:15:05 <Ammler> iirc none 12:15:58 <roboboy> You could call OpenTTD simulation, infact CS called TTO Interactive Transport Simulator 12:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> really, anything that doesn't involve war, shouldn't go into strategy... 12:16:21 <SmatZ> SirSquidness: those aren't disasters; you can turn off crashes in the Advanced Settings (in 1.0 or nightlies) 12:16:34 <Ammler> roboboy: it isn't the publisher, who tells the category. 12:16:43 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: does chess involve war? 12:17:00 <kannerke> economy = war 12:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: knights fighting each other? certainly is war. 12:17:34 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: you don't need strategy, if you play in MP? 12:18:14 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 12:18:25 <Rubidium> if OpenTTD is a strategy game, then TTD is and Railroad Tycoon is too 12:18:27 <Ammler> he, maybe TTD was a simulator, but openttd isn't anymore ;-) 12:18:45 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 12:19:05 <SirSquidness> SmatZ: ah, kthnx 12:19:30 <SirSquidness> SmatZ: any idea where the option is? 12:19:49 <Rubidium> according to http://www.andynash.com/nash-publications/2009-Nash-Web2forPT-14nov09.pdf OpenTTD is a simulation game 12:20:23 <Ammler> well, I remove it... 12:20:30 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: some people say (yay weasels) that age of empires is both a simulation and a strategy game 12:21:50 <SirSquidness> nm, found it 12:21:57 <Ammler> SLES_9 ends at 31 Aug 2011 12:22:40 <SmatZ> SirSquidness: :) 12:22:55 <Ammler> there is no supported debian distro anymore with a gcc 3.3? 12:23:15 <Ammler> cpp* 12:23:32 <SmatZ> cpp 3.3? 12:23:49 <Ammler> cpp-3.3.3 12:23:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: cpp is only the preprocessor 12:23:59 <Eddi|zuHause> gcc is the c compiler 12:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and gcc-c++ is the c++ compiler 12:24:33 <SmatZ> actually, it's only the frontend 12:24:38 <SmatZ> compiler is cc1/cc1plus 12:25:01 <SmatZ> gcc/g++ calls preprocessor, compiler, assembler and linker 12:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> nitpicking++ :p 12:25:04 <SmatZ> hehe 12:25:09 <Ammler> libgcc-3.3.3 12:25:26 <SmatZ> that's some compatibility library for program compiled with old gcc 12:25:55 <Ammler> SmatZ: http://pastebin.ca/1806670 12:26:31 <Ammler> (the whole setup and compile with sles9, might be interesting at bottom :-) 12:27:10 <SmatZ> @commit 19207 12:27:11 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by smatz :: r19207 trunk/src/misc/str.hpp (2010-02-22 16:24:38 UTC) 12:27:12 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Fix (r19127): compilation was broken for gcc 3.3 12:27:16 <SmatZ> Ammler: ^^^ 12:27:48 <Ammler> 0.7.5 worked with it 12:28:15 <SmatZ> it was broken by r19127 12:28:29 <Ammler> ah, fine :-) 12:28:47 <Ammler> so it will be fixed on next RC... 12:29:13 <SmatZ> yes 12:29:40 <SmatZ> or you can apply http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/fix_r19127_gcc33.diff 12:30:12 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBE49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:18 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 12:31:56 <Ammler> Fedora does the same: --add-category=StrategyGame 12:32:13 <Ammler> blathijs: what category do you use? 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A Dodo bird stole my keys! D8 13:08:15 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:38 <roboboy> what happened with the iphone/itouch port? 13:09:32 <Gar`zzz> It turned and became starboard. 13:09:38 <Gar`zzz> 8D 13:12:06 <blathijs> Ammler: Simulation I think 13:13:07 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:13:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:11 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:19:54 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:21 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 13:26:37 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.111] has joined #openttd 13:28:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:33:37 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:33:53 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:33:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [] 13:35:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 13:35:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-120-103.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:36:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:40:36 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:49:10 <roboboy> gmornight 13:52:03 <SmatZ> hello roboboy 13:52:55 <roboboy> I managed to get DOS TTDP to start so long as I turned newstations off and enhancedgui off 13:54:13 <roboboy> Apparently its something in enhancedgui thats broken and newstations automatically turns enhancedgui on if its turned on 14:01:12 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:02:20 <SmatZ> roboboy: I have more problems running TTDP :( It fails to start with cargodest 14:03:36 <SmatZ> maybe it's a bug in dosbox.... 14:04:42 <roboboy> maybe 14:05:38 <roboboy> well I might have a machine running win 95 by Sunday so I can test it under real DOS 14:06:11 <roboboy> I have a spare PC lying around and its PS died but I can get a new PS for 14:07:56 <SmatZ> I have "old" PC too 14:08:01 <SmatZ> but it doesn't have CD drive 14:08:22 <SmatZ> mmmm floppies :) 14:08:33 <roboboy> mine has both 14:08:59 <roboboy> I destroyed a CD drive yesterday 14:09:25 <roboboy> it wouldn't open so we pulled it apart to see if there was a CD in it 14:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and you didn't happen to try the emergency eject button first? 14:10:35 <roboboy> I did 14:11:04 <roboboy> you mean the little hole to stick a paper clip into 14:11:13 <Belugas> \hello 14:11:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that one 14:11:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:58 <roboboy> gnight 14:22:10 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 14:26:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:22 <Gar`zzz> Hiya all! 14:31:48 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-223-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:49 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-223-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:26 <SmatZ> night roboboy 14:33:36 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 14:36:02 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:37:30 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 14:55:01 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:57:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:14 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 15:04:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:53 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:08:08 <yorick> what happened to minilzo? 15:08:22 <peter1138> alas, poor yorick, it was removed 15:09:08 <yorick> I noticed, but why 15:09:28 <Belugas> for the Greater Good of Mankind 15:09:38 <peter1138> because a system library version of it exists 15:09:43 <peter1138> so we use that instead 15:09:54 <peter1138> so we have less code to maintain 15:09:59 <yorick> didn't a system library version of it exist all the time? 15:10:20 <peter1138> probably. so? 15:10:33 <yorick> :/ 15:10:40 <yorick> but then why not use that from the beginning 15:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ammler just said for SLES 9 it didn't exist 15:11:14 <yorick> hmm 15:11:36 <Ammler> centos doesn't have it in the system repos 15:11:36 <yorick> who uses lzo saves anyways 15:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hysterical raisins 15:13:04 <Ammler> (or RHEL) 15:13:49 <peter1138> yorick, well, we can't answer that. it has not been the same dev team from the beginning 15:14:12 <planetmaker> the only thing constant is change ;-) 15:14:18 <peter1138> presumably originally it was felt a good idea to include it 15:14:27 <Rubidium> yeah, even the 'constant' speed of light is not constant 15:14:38 <yorick> planetmaker: until it dies 15:14:38 <planetmaker> besides it's not a hard requirement. So... not a bad thing 15:15:03 <planetmaker> yorick, you think that then there's no change anymore? 15:15:05 <Belugas> why are you concerned about minilzo, yorick? 15:15:33 <yorick> because of the (optional) extra dependency 15:16:04 <Rubidium> peter1138: I reckon originally there were no external libraries. Adding LZO would mean adding a library 'infrastructure'. Over time zlib got added which introduced the library 'infrastructure', then more libraries came and finally minilzo got replaced by a library 15:16:33 <peter1138> yes 15:16:39 <Rubidium> besides that the standard minilzo headers cause an enormous amount of compile warnings with our set of warnings enabled 15:16:41 <peter1138> i think so too 15:17:09 <Rubidium> which means we need to mess with them, which is bad. Having the header in the system headers means gcc doesn't complain about it, i.e. no compile warnings 15:17:35 <peter1138> libopenttd :D 15:18:46 <Rubidium> yeah, then someone can write his own GUI! 15:19:35 * yorick thinks it's an idea 15:21:23 <Ammler> ajaxttd 15:26:05 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't find the discussion anymore where it was said the maximum production of an industry depends on the number of tiles the industry has... 15:28:05 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 15:33:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FAE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:21 <peter1138> does it depend on that? 15:34:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe so, but i can't find the reference... 15:34:46 <Belugas> that is... strange. I can't remember anything about that 15:35:25 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: was the reference in German? And written by, well say... one of the dimwits? 15:36:03 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 15:37:36 *** Exs [~Miranda@193.179.209.52] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:38:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it was german 15:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't remember 15:38:39 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it involved coop people talking about how they load balanced four factories, or something... 15:46:18 <Ammler> the game with "WP-bug" 15:49:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "The goal of was to transport enough grain and livestock to produce 100,000 crates of goods per month.[1]. Later in the game we were limited by OTTD production limit of secondaries, which is roughly 2295 per industry tile per month. For factories, it means 27,540 crates of goods per month - so we had to build four factories and balance them well. We managed to accomplish our goal in 2177." 15:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> public server game 121 15:49:48 <peter1138> ah, openttdcoop? 15:49:55 <peter1138> they rarely know what they're talking about 15:50:30 <Ammler> :-) 15:51:31 <peter1138> isn't 2295 the limit per industry? not per tile.. 15:51:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19219 /trunk/src/music.cpp: -Fix: having OpenMSX's files in a subdirectory did not work as it should. 15:52:03 <Yexo> peter1138: only for primary industries 15:54:46 <peter1138> so is it right? 15:55:06 <Yexo> I don't know, it might be right 15:57:20 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF992A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:05 <Belugas> a fun fact: industries have absolutely no clue how many tiles they are composed of 15:59:51 <Rubidium> looks like every tileloop cargo is transported 16:00:02 <planetmaker> <peter1138> isn't 2295 the limit per industry? not per tile. <-- definitely not for secondary. For primary at least close 16:01:09 <planetmaker> The limit mentioned in the quoted text is one "experimentally" established by one of those "heavy-duty" players ;-) 16:01:59 <planetmaker> e.g. if you show a (default) factory to produce significantly more, I'm happy to see it, otherwise I tend to believe that statement. 16:02:33 <Ammler> coop is ALWAYS right :-P 16:04:26 *** ecke [~ecke@21.161.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:05:33 <Rubidium> once every 256 ticks for every tile at most 255 of the waiting produced cargo is moved to the produced cargo 16:05:51 <Belugas> mmh... i hate that... can't remenber where the funiton is located withouth useuign a grep :( 16:05:57 *** asilv [~as@62.142.160.55] has joined #openttd 16:06:45 * planetmaker hugs Belugas 16:06:57 <planetmaker> grab the grep ;-) 16:06:59 <Rubidium> meaning an average of 2244 per tile per month 16:08:18 <planetmaker> quite close then what was actually produced ;-) 16:08:36 <Rubidium> which means on average a little under 27000 per month per 12-tile factory 16:08:48 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:08:58 <Rubidium> assuming 365.25/12 days per average month 16:09:49 <planetmaker> @calc 9*256 16:09:49 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2304 16:09:55 <planetmaker> @calc 9*256*12 16:09:55 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 27648 16:10:08 <planetmaker> ^ if it's amonth with 9 of such consumption events 16:10:21 <Rubidium> nope 16:10:35 <Rubidium> 27540 is the right number 16:11:20 <planetmaker> hm, how does it calculate? 16:11:55 <Rubidium> like I described, but you're mixing up numbers 16:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: does that mean only tiles within reach of a station get considered? 16:12:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: no 16:12:45 <planetmaker> @calc 9*255*12 16:12:45 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 27540 16:12:49 <Rubidium> moving production happens in the tile loop, which runs over *all* tiles 16:12:49 <planetmaker> right ;-) 16:13:17 <Belugas> so the only limit is the amx 255 per tile per loop 16:13:42 <planetmaker> that's the cause. The rest are then derived limits 16:13:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but how is the station found that should get these 255 goods? 16:13:59 <Belugas> ah... station_cmd.cpp... 16:14:19 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, in the usual way, I assume? 16:14:31 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause : MoveGoodsToStation -> station_cmd.cpp 16:14:37 <Belugas> at least on the version i have... 16:15:29 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the station is found using the 'location' of the industry 16:15:43 <Rubidium> i.e. the bounding box of the industry 16:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, ok 16:16:00 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 16:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't find a filter for location in MoveGoodsToStation... 16:25:21 *** Bluelight [~infernus@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:31 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:33 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.111] has left #openttd [] 16:26:37 *** Bluelight [~infernus@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 16:26:49 *** Bluelight [~infernus@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:23 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c431.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:00 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [] 16:28:43 <Ammler> Error: Assertion failed at line 102 of /usr/src/OpenTTD/compile/src/os/unix/unix.cpp: path[strlen(path) - 1] == PATHSEPCHAR <-- with nightly r19163 16:28:49 <Ammler> on startup 16:30:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so the path didn't end with a pathsep 16:31:20 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> can you -d <high level> to find out which file it's trying to open? 16:31:43 <Rubidium> what the where you doing 16:31:46 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: disable sounds in the title screen 16:32:38 <Rubidium> use nosound! 16:32:52 <Rubidium> or use another title screen 16:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: disable sounds _only_ in the title screen 16:33:08 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@89-178-237-97.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:33:11 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:33:13 <Rubidium> oh, that reminds me 16:33:19 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, use your loud speakers volume control ;-) 16:33:22 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: ./configure --without-zlib && make run 16:33:31 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 16:36:13 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1807004 16:36:25 <Ammler> dunno, if there is more visible 16:37:02 <Ammler> it looks like something with the system 16:37:14 <Ammler> as self compiled also Asserts 16:37:31 <Ammler> but the package (1.0-RC1) I just made works 16:38:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-120-103.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:48 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 16:43:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i usually like the sounds, but they get annoing very fast when doing something on the main menu, like settings or online content 16:44:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so... cargodist or not? 16:44:26 <Ammler> fresh compiled trunkt tip: http://pastebin.ca/1807008 16:45:46 <Rubidium> Ammler: build a debug build and run it in gdb; maybe then some useful information is retained 16:46:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, especially the value of path might be useful 16:51:35 <Ammler> it is something in the trunk, branch 1.0 works 16:51:49 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154028.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:30 <Rubidium> but the diff between both isn't that big 16:54:42 <Ammler> make run-gdb is the target for debug? 16:55:12 <Rubidium> you said r19163 is broken too, right? 16:55:27 <Ammler> no 16:55:42 <Ammler> something is broken with my last suse update 16:55:51 <Ammler> where I can't run it anymore 16:56:43 <Rubidium> libc? 16:56:50 <Ammler> possible 16:58:05 *** ecke [~ecke@21.161.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> make run-gdb is for running in the debugger, it doesn't magically configure an unstripped/debug build 16:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> for that you do somthing like ./configure --enable-debug 3 or so... 16:59:51 *** Splex [~splex@n219079154028.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 17:00:41 <Ammler> oh, fresh compiled 1.0 fails too 17:00:44 <Ammler> :-( 17:03:43 <Ammler> oh, RC1 does compile without asserts? 17:04:02 <Ammler> then, this is the reason, that works :-) 17:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, releases tend to have asserts disabled 17:04:05 <Rubidium> it compiles with asserts 17:04:15 <Ammler> thought, thought prereleases don't 17:04:41 <Ammler> don't without* 17:05:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: only 'stable' gets released with asserts disabled; the rest has asserts enabled 17:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> alright... 17:07:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f74d1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:06 *** Priski [~priski@ihq.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:23 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... updating cargodist takes so long i lose interest in it before it's finished... 17:15:25 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.138.61] has joined #openttd 17:28:31 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:19 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:45 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 17:34:13 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1807049 <-- what next? 17:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> "bt" 17:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> then "up" [enter]* until you are in a function that's not a crash handler 17:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> then something like "print path" 17:36:01 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:36:02 <Yexo> or directly "bt full" and copy all output 17:36:28 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1807053 17:37:33 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: looks like it's recursing through "openttd" directories (symlinks?) 17:37:50 <Rubidium> ooh... symlink massacre :) 17:38:15 <Rubidium> odd that that didn't happen before and only after a recompile 17:38:27 <Ammler> those are fresh checkouts 17:38:34 <Ammler> no additional files 17:38:44 <Ammler> (or symlinks) 17:39:05 <Ammler> ah, in openttd/data, ok :-) 17:39:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: so then what is /usr/local/share/games/openttd/data/openttd? 17:39:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19220 /trunk/os/windows/installer/install.nsi: -Change: remove NoSound from the installer and add OpenMSX. 17:39:47 <Ammler> I added that, so local installs can use the opengfx installed with rpm 17:39:59 <Ammler> or local compiles 17:40:11 <Ammler> but that worked once... 17:41:05 <Rubidium> the code seems to imply that you've got an infinite recursion with symlinks (or something is horribly wrong with libc) 17:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: that is not an answer to my question 17:42:33 <Ammler> Oh, I see :-) 17:42:57 <Ammler> inspiron:/usr/share/openttd/data # l openttd 17:42:59 <Ammler> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2010-02-22 16:25 openttd -> ./ 17:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and that's what it chokes on... 17:43:17 <Rubidium> so, infinite recursion 17:43:37 <Ammler> yes, I forgot to remove that again from the "backport"... 17:43:40 <Eddi|zuHause> because it gets longer and longer, until the path does not fit into the buffer anymore 17:43:59 <Rubidium> be happy there're no massive amounts on NewGRFs in those dirs because then it takes ages before it starts (if at all) 17:44:30 <Ammler> openttd branches to symlink the trunk openttd 17:44:34 <Ammler> do* 17:44:45 <Ammler> because shared-dir didn't work 17:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause> what? 17:46:03 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, so you make a sumlink openttd-branch/data -> openttd/data 17:46:14 <Eddi|zuHause> symlink 17:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but why does shared dir not work? 17:46:44 <Ammler> that is a windows only feature, afaik. 17:47:21 <Eddi|zuHause> shared-dir was introduced for mac, with the comment "this should work for other platforms as well" 17:47:32 <Ammler> or mac :-) 17:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> if it doesn't work, it might be useful to fix 17:47:49 <Ammler> maybe, I should try again... 17:48:34 <Ammler> but thanks, cool debug helped 17:49:30 <Yexo> Ammler: does it still crash if you apply this patch? 17:49:31 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/fix.diff 17:50:04 <Rubidium> Yexo: probably not 17:50:40 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 17:51:09 <Ammler> hmm, do I need to rebuild? 17:51:20 <Rubidium> because if path+d_name isn't truncated there, it can still get in trouble at the AppendPathSeparator at line 768 17:51:29 <Ammler> it compiled filio.cpp only and still asserted 17:52:44 <Eddi|zuHause> what if the path truncates exactly at the pathsep? 17:54:17 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: ã§ãã¯æ»çšœãããªãã§ããç§ã¯æ¬æ°ã§ãã] 17:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a function that checks whether two files/directories opened via different paths are the same? 17:56:34 *** Bluelight [~infernus@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 17:57:26 *** Goulpy is now known as Goulp 18:01:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... that can't be right... git fetch is still running... 18:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it's over an HOUR now... 18:03:52 <Belugas> bwarf.. wasted my lunch hour.... nothing to shoot:( grey day = grey pictures 18:05:27 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 18:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Resuming fetch of pack 6070560482e8fff0718af0ca76680e4c9a106c2c at byte 113267520 <-- why is that more than 100MB?!? 18:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and where is fonsinchen? 18:08:56 <Rubidium> he can't join because his internet is too slow? 18:09:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no really, wtf is git doing there?! 18:09:37 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: What are you git fetching? 18:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: cargodist 18:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/openttd.git 18:09:59 <OwenS> You do realise Git fetches the repo's full history, right? 18:10:08 <SpComb^> OwenS: not clone, fetch 18:10:17 <SpComb^> OwenS: i.e. update over the last week or two 18:10:24 <OwenS> Hmm.. Someone's been doing too many git rebases? 18:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, one or two months maybe 18:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: how is that relevant? 18:11:16 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: git rebase = history rewriting 18:11:49 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 18:11:56 <OwenS> If one rebases significantly then they can cause all the hashes in their repo to change (i.e. complete refetch) 18:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that means... 18:12:45 <OwenS> In other words, all the revision IDs have changed because the maintainer has trashed the repo's history 18:13:03 <OwenS> Alternatively, it could be because you're using git over http, as git http support is dumb 18:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's fucking annoying... 18:14:07 <OwenS> Tell him to set up a git-daemon instance (i.e. git://) or use SSH :p 18:14:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:46 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.230.38] has joined #openttd 18:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause> -r--r--r-- 1 johannes users 134436889 30. Dez 15:20 pack-941035bd025be71a1a80f70b805a90214dbc78c5.pack 18:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause> -rw-r--r-- 1 johannes users 133544145 9. Jan 19:45 pack-fb9557f0498116a53566bd1ababfc2d9bae248e9.pack 18:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> -rw-r--r-- 1 johannes users 135002880 23. Feb 19:18 pack-6070560482e8fff0718af0ca76680e4c9a106c2c.pack.temp 18:31:41 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-161.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:28 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: ls -lh 18:33:15 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-141-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:04 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: doesn't change that the files are >100MB :p 18:35:54 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:03 <SpComb^> makes it more obvious 18:38:10 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> -rw-r--r-- 1 johannes users 145795108 23. Feb 19:30 pack-6070560482e8fff0718af0ca76680e4c9a106c2c.pack <-- the file is now done, not sure what git is doing now... 18:41:37 <aber> What's the mnemonic for -h ? 18:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> human readable? 18:46:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19221 /trunk/src/lang/ (19 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:46:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 44 changes by Kayos 18:46:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 4 changes by VoyagerOne 18:46:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 7 changes by jpx_ 18:46:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 6 changes by glx 18:46:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frisian - 35 changes by Fopper 18:47:32 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-141-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:59:41 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr] 19:08:02 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@61.138.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:16 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.138.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:57 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se] has joined #openttd 19:36:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:25 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:36:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:53 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.230.38] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 19:47:03 *** Zuu [~Zuu@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49:13 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:37 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 19:49:58 <sparr> I'm trying not to spam too much about the cargo competition bug... I replied to the relevant thread on the forums, but someone previously mentioned that similar issues should go in the development forum instead of the problems forum. Is that common? 19:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> only patches and problems with these patches go in the development forum 19:59:02 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:03:00 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba9aef.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:09 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:38 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: ragzid] 20:34:55 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:35:03 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@89-178-220-206.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't suppose there's a road vehicle set that goes with NARS 20:40:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-237-97.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:44 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:43:03 <PeterT> [15:42:08] <PeterT> Your logic is wrong 20:43:04 <PeterT> [15:42:18] <Mega> logic cant be wrong 20:43:04 <PeterT> Sign 20:43:07 <PeterT> *Sigh 20:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> that's logical ;) 20:49:16 <__ln__> well why not 20:49:50 <__ln__> logic is based on some theorems; if they contradict each other, then isn't that wrong 20:50:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "contradictory" and "wrong" are two entirely separate things 20:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause> err... segmentation fault... 20:52:01 <__ln__> see 20:53:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FAE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and now inflate() failed? 20:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> funny... i downloaded a 3.7MB file, but it is 8.7MB large :p 20:56:24 <PeterT> You're 8.7MB large. 20:58:05 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:08 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:00:57 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba9aef.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:48 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:02 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:12:16 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: i'm not familiar with that culture, but is that the place to provoke a "that's what she said"? 21:12:32 <PeterT> No 21:12:56 <PeterT> Something like: "It hurt me to put it in." would be a that's what she said 21:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... i thought anything that involved the word "large" or "small" or otherwise playing on size would be appropriate... 21:14:47 * Eddi|zuHause goes writing in his notes again: still not understood culture... 21:16:16 <PeterT> Right 21:16:17 <PeterT> well 21:16:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:16:29 <PeterT> "Oh gawd, that is way too big for me!" Would work 21:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's way easier over here... kids just laugh at everything involving the number 6 21:19:30 <PeterT> That doesn't make very much sense? 21:19:34 <Nite_Owl> The Prisoner fans are they ?? 21:19:46 <PeterT> 6 isn't a very sexual number, 69 perhaps 21:20:11 <__ln__> that's pornographic, not sexual 21:23:19 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: it's that 6 is "sechs" in german, which sounds the same as "sex" 21:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause> only the s is a little sharper in "sex" than in "sechs" 21:25:23 <frosch123> that difference is smaller than the word spoken in various dialects 21:26:09 * Nite_Owl revels in the obscure 21:27:59 <PeterT> Google translate does not have an audio version of "Sechs" :-( 21:29:26 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sechs 21:29:57 <PeterT> In german, it sounds more like "zex" 21:32:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f74d1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i said, the s in "sex" is sharper... 21:33:32 <Eddi|zuHause> voiceless 21:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: it's close enough to make fun of when you're 12... 21:36:07 <aber> http://dict.leo.org/ 21:37:23 <ashb> "That's what she said" can be used as a retort for pretty much anything 21:37:28 <ashb> as can "So's your face" 21:49:31 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i can never remember how to set the parameters of ECS 21:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> especially because the "general behaviour" parameter is not always the first one... 21:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what george was thinking... 21:57:33 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:42 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:59:37 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:01:22 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:06:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:09 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:06:11 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:10:22 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:46 <Terkhen> good night 22:13:09 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@45.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:13:59 *** Forgetful_Lion [HydraIRC@CPE-121-208-195-54.szxk1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:14:14 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 22:19:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: switching computer] 22:19:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:20:16 <__ln__> Àr kanalens jourhavande svensk pÃ¥ kanalen? 22:21:18 <SpComb^> "I verify in the Boot Dock if I put the oil boat to put there the oil to pass to a train the oil despaired if there are no train in the dock" 22:21:21 <SpComb^> intelligble 22:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> english only. 22:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: he says "when i transfer oil from a ship to a train, and there is no train waiting, the oil disappears 22:23:26 <__ln__> some would call that an environmental catastrophe 22:23:42 <Nite_Owl> not everyone is brilliant or even multilingual 22:25:11 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: fonso replied, you need to tell him it wasn't a clone 22:28:44 *** CrazySpai [~CrazySpai@cpe-173-170-67-199.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:28:55 <CrazySpai> Hello once again 22:29:28 <CrazySpai> I've looked all around and yet cannont find the answer to my question, what is the purpose of the "stocks" if they are always greyed out? 22:30:52 <Rubidium> you need to enable them via advanced settings 22:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> also the company must be more than 6(?) years old 22:32:12 *** asilv [~as@62.142.160.55] has quit [] 22:35:31 <PeterT> Yes, 6 22:35:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hahaha, he said 6! :p 22:35:58 <PeterT> I said six. 22:36:20 <PeterT> it's not that funny-sounding when you read in English 22:37:04 <devilsadvocate> "Àr kanalens jourhavande svensk pÃ¥ kanalen?" translates to ""I verify in the Boot Dock if I put the oil boat to put there the oil to pass to a train the oil despaired if there are no train in the dock"? 22:37:21 <devilsadvocate> thats a high density language :\ 22:37:51 <CrazySpai> How does one enable stocks via the openttd config file? 22:38:32 <CrazySpai> nvm 22:38:34 <CrazySpai> Found it 22:39:31 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:09 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 22:42:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FAE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:49:22 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: So then the only way for someone to understand the "6" joke, is if they knew what the word "sex" is 22:49:29 <PeterT> Is it the same in German? 22:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's fairly well-known ;) 22:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you know, german words are longer than english words, so english words have it easy to sift into the language 22:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> so, if you compare "sex" to "Geschlechtsverkehr"... 22:53:01 <PeterT> haha 22:53:11 <PeterT> Geschlechtsverkehr is secks? 22:53:19 <Rubidium> well, you Germans are good in making your own words :) 22:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, you hear it in movies and songs... 22:53:59 <devilsadvocate> does anyone actually _use_ that word in conversation? 22:54:05 <Rubidium> what? They don't dub songs? 22:54:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: actually, they do ;) 22:54:56 <lugo> gelb gelb gelb ist die yellow suybmarin 22:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the beatles actually translated some of their songs into german 22:56:52 <Rubidium> ah well, we just export our crappy presenters to you lot :) 22:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause> what i meant: even in dubbed movies they use the word "sex" 23:01:11 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 23:01:27 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:01:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:01:34 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: "Geschlechtsverkehr" means "sexual intercourse", only the germans have no funny abbreviation... 23:02:42 <Eddi|zuHause> occasionally "GV"... 23:03:45 <PeterT> funny abbreviation? 23:03:54 <PeterT> !logs 23:03:57 <PeterT> @logs 23:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is it normal that the ECS cement plant accepts "regearing"? 23:06:09 <Yexo> you use nars? 23:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 23:06:28 <Coco-Banana-Man> nope, but NARS replaces limestone with (regearing) 23:06:39 <Yexo> nars only works with ecs if you disable regearing 23:06:43 <Yexo> there is some parameter for it 23:07:10 <Coco-Banana-Man> I'm loading NARS before ECS so my locos are loading limestone :P 23:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> if only they would say that from within openttd 23:07:44 <Coco-Banana-Man> hmm 23:07:50 <Nite_Owl> It might be on the NARS wiki 23:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> just fucking tell the parameters in the description, damnit! 23:08:27 <Coco-Banana-Man> but when I loaded ECS and NARS together (with NARS after ECS), the cement plant only accepted Sand and no limestone/regearing :/ 23:09:00 <Coco-Banana-Man> and the quarry was only accepting vehicles and not producing anything. 23:09:33 <Coco-Banana-Man> what do you mean by description, Eddi? 23:09:39 <Nite_Owl> I have the parameters on a text file on, I think, page 25 of the NARS thread 23:09:44 <Coco-Banana-Man> the readme file or that in-game box? 23:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the ingame box 23:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause> as in Action 8 - grfid - name - description 23:10:14 <Coco-Banana-Man> There are probably far too much parameters to show them there... 23:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> there is plenty of space 23:10:53 <Coco-Banana-Man> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=NARS_GRF_Parameters 23:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> by trial-and-error, 2 seems to be the right parameter 23:12:43 <Nite_Owl> correct - 1st parameter = 2 disables regearing 23:13:38 *** CrazySpai [~CrazySpai@cpe-173-170-67-199.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:26 <Nite_Owl> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=811651#p811651 23:16:47 <Nite_Owl> page 21 - my bad - that is the text file 23:17:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19222 /branches/1.0/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 23:19:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 23:19:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Change: Improve error message with track building when signals are in the way (r19190, r19189) 23:19:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: GetDestination() is invalid for nearest-depot orders (r19210) 23:19:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Compilation was broken for gcc 3.3 (r19207) 23:19:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: The vehicle info in the autoreplace gui was drawn even when the window was shaded [FS#3634] (r19187) 23:19:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: When selecting 'build many industries' in the scenario editor the 'build' button was not enabled [FS#3632] (r19176) 23:19:56 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:07 *** CrazySpai [~CrazySpai@griffin.kutsehariduskeskus.ee] has joined #openttd 23:21:07 *** CrazySpai [~CrazySpai@griffin.kutsehariduskeskus.ee] has quit [autokilled: This host may be infected. Mail support@oftc.net with questions. BOPM (2010-02-23 23:21:07)] 23:21:19 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:21:46 <Nite_Owl> now that was odd 23:21:53 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:22:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> no, both your quit time and your join time are even ;) 23:26:27 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-75-248.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19223 /branches/1.0/ (32 files in 8 dirs): 23:26:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 23:26:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Feature: Add OpenMSX to the installer (r19220, r19219) 23:26:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Feature: [NewGRF] Add CB36 support for aircraft properties 0F and 11 (r19218) 23:26:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Feature: Scroll to current order destination when ctrl+clicking the start/stop bar (r19216, r19215) 23:26:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Feature: Concept of fallback base sets, i.e. do not automatically load the NoMusic/NoSound sets when there is another set; make NoSound part of base installations (r19214, r19213, r19212, r19211, r19206) 23:26:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Feature: Support for genders for cargos, industries, vehicles, stations (r19180, r19179, r19178, r19177) 23:27:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF992A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:14 <Nite_Owl> not that but the fact that it was involuntary 23:29:08 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-235-20.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:29:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what about genders for newgrf strings? 23:34:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-220-206.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:35:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that needs some very serious work/design first 23:36:19 <Rubidium> I've brainstormed about it quite a number of times, but it's pretty darn non-trivial 23:36:44 <Rubidium> e.g. genders can change over time making the mapping in the NewGRF invalid 23:37:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that should be the responsibility of the newgrf author 23:37:24 <Rubidium> also there needs to be some sort of way to encode cases, although it has more or less the same problems 23:38:04 <Rubidium> and then ttdp needs some way to filter the gender/case code out of the strings before drawing 23:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd should only add some sanity checks for genders/cases in case they mismatch 23:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and fallback to the default behaviour in that case 23:40:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:45:26 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:46:49 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:47:34 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:39 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:07 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 23:57:13 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon]