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00:11:56 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:00 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.53] has joined #openttd 00:18:46 <Pikkaphone> Bing bong 00:57:41 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:10 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.138] has joined #openttd 01:07:07 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:17 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:43 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@131.181.158.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:07 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:29:08 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:34:17 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:38 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:39:33 *** APTX [~APTX@87-207-72-117.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:36 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:14 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:57 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:14:52 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.51.107] has quit [Quit: Leif Eriksson uses AdiIRC. Shouldn't you? [www.adiirc.com]] 03:26:04 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 04:10:12 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.28] has joined #openttd 04:42:32 <Supercheese> Heh, was wondering how to say "All rights reserved" in Latin, lo and behold my textbook has its copyright information all in Latin 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4E72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:13:14 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 05:21:16 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A08CEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:27:59 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A08CEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:28:33 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A08CEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:33:50 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A08CEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38:56 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A08CEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:42:32 *** abchirk [~abchirk@p57A08CEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:42:32 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A08CEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:18 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:18:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:27:56 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:31:35 <andythenorth> Pikkaphone: lo hai 06:38:02 <Supercheese> ring ring ring ring ring ring, Pikkaphone 06:38:11 <Supercheese> hmm not enough syllables 06:38:24 <Pikkaphone> that's what she said 06:39:40 <andythenorth> coaches 06:39:51 <andythenorth> 20mph faster than buses 06:39:59 <andythenorth> not convinced, but going to try it 06:40:08 * andythenorth making road hog bigger 06:40:11 <Pikkaphone> does it? 06:40:16 <andythenorth> dunno yet 06:40:28 <andythenorth> I found it âneededâ about another 15 vehicles 06:40:31 <andythenorth> apparently 06:40:54 <andythenorth> coach trams also? 06:41:01 <Pikkaphone> coaches shouldn't be too capable 06:41:25 <Supercheese> coaches aren't bad, if they've wifi 06:41:57 <Pikkaphone> quickly overwhelmed and replaced with trains to all but the smallest towns imo 06:42:06 <Supercheese> onboard televisions are so pedestrian these days 06:43:00 <Pikkaphone> when does a coach tram become an emu? 06:43:06 <andythenorth> when itâs grown up 06:43:24 <andythenorth> also I have narrow gauge trains innit 06:43:34 <andythenorth> so even more overlapping 06:44:03 <Supercheese> it would need to sprout wings and run about no? 06:44:07 <Pikkaphone> no coach yams or trams 06:44:10 <V453000> andythenorth: more doing less talking? :P 06:44:34 <andythenorth> V453000: talking makes pixels appear 06:44:35 <Supercheese> trams > narrow gauge for cities, because roads and such 06:44:41 <andythenorth> âproject management' 06:45:13 <V453000> :D 06:48:12 <Pikkaphone> talking makes pixels unnecessary 06:48:45 <Pikkaphone> convince yourself something is not needed -> job done 06:50:32 <V453000> :D 06:50:33 <V453000> valid point 06:53:17 <andythenorth> can I bin the coaches then? 06:53:21 * andythenorth wants to 06:53:29 <andythenorth> otherwise I have to cripple the buses a bit also 06:53:47 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:3c6f:db19:d87a:7d4] has joined #openttd 06:54:33 <andythenorth> one obviously good type for any route 06:54:43 <andythenorth> nobody builds bus routes between cities 06:56:07 <Pikkaphone> fabulous ai does 06:56:27 <Pikkaphone> well, it builds coaches 07:01:02 <Supercheese> I'll build bus routes between cities, if the cities are particularly close, the buses are sufficiently capable, and/or there is no room for rails 07:01:03 *** xintron [~xintron@2a02:c200:0:10:2:1:5488:1] has quit [Quit: Bice bice bice] 07:01:28 * andythenorth builds metro 07:01:37 <Supercheese> although if the cities are extremely close I'll run subways between them 07:01:56 <Supercheese> provided they're both large enough to produce enough passengers 07:07:07 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-4d04de4d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:08:39 <argoneus> mornink 07:11:09 <V453000> moo 07:40:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 08:34:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:53 <andythenorth> ho 08:51:00 <andythenorth> searching hard enough finds a prototype for all things 08:52:09 <planetmaker> mourn ink 08:52:55 <andythenorth> bonsoir 08:58:20 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:40 <V453000> moo 09:21:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 09:25:53 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 09:41:45 <Pikkaphone> bon cheese 09:41:53 <Pikkaphone> and crackers 09:43:03 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.52.135] has joined #openttd 09:43:04 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.52.135] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 10:10:23 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@58.108.147.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:40 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 10:22:47 <peter1138> bon 10:23:04 <andythenorth> jour 10:23:13 <V453000> ass 10:29:11 <Celestar> *burps* 10:37:25 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@172.245.30.36] has joined #openttd 11:00:13 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:43 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest614 11:31:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 11:37:21 *** Guest614 [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:43 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:59 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.26.55] has joined #openttd 11:43:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:18 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:35:48 <argoneus> is this the official channel for SIMUTRANS? 12:36:16 <__ln__> have two guesses at it 12:36:48 <Celestar> well ... maybe you could use Schrödingers Equation to model the answer :P 12:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i prefer my cats alive, please. 12:43:31 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 12:46:57 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:25 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 12:54:27 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody have the problem that linux-steam always fails to start the first time, and then runs on the second try? 12:57:33 <peter1138> no 12:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> weird 13:01:38 <Celestar> I don't have that either... 13:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> seems to complain about not finding NetworkManager 13:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's only a warning. why would it exit after that? 13:26:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 14:13:33 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:51 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:41 <Rubidium> moin Celestar 14:18:46 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:12 * Rubidium predicts Celestar leaving by timeout within 8 minutes ;) 14:19:26 <Celestar> what makes you think so? :P 14:19:38 <Celestar> because I usually leave work at that time? :) 14:20:16 <Rubidium> because that's the usual M/O when I try to say hi to you 14:22:33 <Celestar> haha 14:25:39 <Celestar> but yeah I gotta run in a mo :P 14:25:50 <Rubidium> bye Celestar 14:27:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD4E72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:29:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4E72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:50 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 14:32:04 *** Celestar [~Celestar@mnch-4d04de4d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:56:55 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:05:22 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:05:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:10:37 <argoneus> oui 15:12:28 <Alberth> yes? 15:12:38 <Xaroth|Work> jawol 15:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you missed a silent 'h' :p 15:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause> or more precicely a "stretching h" 15:27:00 <heffer> or if he's from Rheinland or the Ruhrgebiet he could also be missing an l at the end 15:27:28 <heffer> but then it would be more affirmative than questioning 15:27:54 <planetmaker> pronounciation peculiarities don't exactly change the spelling :) 15:28:33 <heffer> yeah right. but sometimes you need to write dialect like it's spoken or noone will get it :D 15:28:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i've certainly seen it spelled that way 15:29:04 <heffer> Jawoll 15:29:17 <heffer> or even So isses 15:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> though then it certainly has subtle differences in meaning 15:32:17 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:07 <planetmaker> not sure there actually is. 15:35:31 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well that may be also a regional thing, but to me, the shortened version carries more enthusiasm and engergy with it. but it also depends on whether it's used in ironic context 15:37:47 <planetmaker> I think it's more a matter of intonation than pronounciation. Though the Jawoll form lends itself to a more 'energetic' exlamation than the longer 'Jawohl' 15:40:02 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 15:42:29 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.41.97] has joined #openttd 15:45:20 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:45:45 *** ArdaXi [~ardaxi@do.ardaxi.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:57:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:06:16 *** DanMacK [~androirc@24.114.41.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:08 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:43 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:00 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 16:33:06 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:34:46 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:24 *** luaduck [~luaduck@host86-132-158-2.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:36:48 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:04 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@host86-132-158-2.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:39:33 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 16:47:32 <argoneus> how do you guys grow your cities before they're big enough for trains? 16:47:52 <argoneus> like, inter city transport by trains taht is 16:48:23 * Alberth doesn't 16:48:45 * planetmaker doesn't either. I start with IC transport right away. And add a small inner city network to feed the station 16:48:53 <argoneus> hmm 16:49:04 <argoneus> oh 16:49:09 <planetmaker> 1000 inhabitants is enough. Even 500 is 16:49:11 <argoneus> I meant the train network inside the city 16:49:15 <argoneus> inter city is wrong 16:49:18 <argoneus> wrong word 16:49:48 <planetmaker> 3 ... 5 bus stations with busses going in circles. But I build the train station first. Then the bus stations 16:50:00 <planetmaker> That way the city grows around the train station 16:50:19 <argoneus> ok 16:51:06 <planetmaker> mind to not build the tracks for the train station. Or you might not be allowed to build the bus stations anymore :P 16:51:18 <planetmaker> build the tracks only when bus service is active 16:51:26 <Alberth> it's intra city what you mean, I think :) 16:52:09 <argoneus> oh yeah 16:52:12 <argoneus> also, for some reason 16:52:17 <argoneus> all my road vehicles are gone 16:52:17 <argoneus> o.o 16:52:24 <argoneus> like, the depot is empty 16:52:24 <argoneus> huh 16:52:31 <planetmaker> eaten by train collisions on level crossings 16:52:44 <argoneus> nono 16:52:48 <argoneus> I can't even build any road vehicles 16:52:52 <argoneus> there are none in the list 16:53:02 <Alberth> too early? 16:53:22 <argoneus> ohh 16:53:26 <argoneus> I removed egrvts2 from my newgrfs 16:53:29 <argoneus> 1923 16:54:15 <argoneus> so do you guys ever make intra city networks? 16:54:18 <argoneus> in the beginning 16:54:37 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:54:43 <Alberth> I almost never do pax 16:55:26 <Alberth> I find industry chains much nicer to play 16:55:48 <argoneus> I like the idea of pax 16:55:52 <argoneus> because the city grows and I have to adapt 16:55:56 <argoneus> but that's the annoying part too 16:57:02 <Alberth> adapting is fine, but you need room, and towns don't give that 16:57:12 <Alberth> or at best, very slowly 16:57:19 <argoneus> also 16:57:22 <argoneus> I just started up auatoreplace 16:57:26 <argoneus> but my vehicles don't go to depots 16:57:26 <argoneus> :( 16:57:50 <Alberth> enable breakdowns :p 16:58:00 <argoneus> even when I send them for servicing 16:58:03 <argoneus> they just go in and out 16:58:34 <Alberth> wrong setup, or no money? 16:58:51 <Alberth> don't you get a vehicle info window telling you why it fails? 16:58:53 <planetmaker> <argoneus> I removed egrvts2 from my newgrfs 16:58:53 <planetmaker> <argoneus> 1923 <-- you obviously missed the big red warning box that talked about messing up your savegame when changing NewGRFs mid-game 16:58:55 <argoneus> nope 16:59:01 <argoneus> planetmaker: not midgame 16:59:05 <argoneus> it's not enabled to begin with 16:59:07 <argoneus> but no road vehicles 16:59:12 <Alberth> argoneus: disabled vehicle info news? 16:59:13 <argoneus> but 1923 is too early isn't it 16:59:19 <planetmaker> well, yes, default starting year is 1950 for a reason 16:59:41 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Buses <-- says 1929 17:00:02 <Alberth> but it may be later, openttd randomizes the starting year 17:00:47 <argoneus> but why NUTS trains don't autoreplace is beyond me 17:01:02 <Alberth> why are oil RVs called "tanker" http://wiki.openttd.org/Oil_Tankers ? 17:01:37 <Alberth> argoneus: my crystal ball is failing unfortunately 17:02:00 <Pinkbeast> Alberth: English is a funny language? 17:02:21 <Alberth> I can live with that :) 17:02:45 *** ATS63 [~peterh@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:38 <planetmaker> Alberth, how are they called in Dutch? In German we also call them Tanklaster. Tanker rather refers to (big) oil *ships* 17:04:19 *** ATS63 [~peterh@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has joined #openttd 17:04:26 <Pinkbeast> Large oil ships are also tankers in English (as you may know) 17:05:20 <Alberth> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankwagen tankwagens, just like germans do, apparently :) 17:05:25 <argoneus> I just don't see a challenge in IC 17:05:31 <argoneus> I can just connect all oil wells to one refinery or such 17:05:33 <argoneus> and enjoy money 17:05:43 <argoneus> even with cargodist 17:06:08 <andythenorth> tanker truck 17:06:11 <andythenorth> dumper truck 17:06:13 <andythenorth> tipper truck 17:06:19 <andythenorth> tanker lorry 17:06:24 <andythenorth> is probably more english 17:07:00 <Alberth> sounds about right, andy 17:07:57 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:08:09 <Alberth> Interestingly, http://wiki.openttd.org/Road_vehicles lists all as "trucks" except oil tanker :) 17:08:22 <planetmaker> pretty stupid, imho :) 17:08:37 <planetmaker> but then... doesn't matter 17:08:58 <Pinkbeast> I fear "lorry" is losing out to "truck" :-/ 17:10:15 <andythenorth> itâs correct 17:10:17 <andythenorth> tanker truck 17:10:19 <andythenorth> but oil tanker 17:10:24 <andythenorth> cement mixer 17:10:30 <Alberth> lorry sounds much more friendly 17:10:44 <andythenorth> bin lorry 17:11:08 <Pinkbeast> Rubbish lorries are still lorries, you couldn't say rubbish truck. 17:11:17 <andythenorth> bin truck 17:11:22 <andythenorth> recycling truck 17:11:30 <andythenorth> garbage truck 17:11:45 * andythenorth back to work 17:33:46 <peter1138> bah at rendering differences 17:34:56 <argoneus> I am having a hard time deciding between Medium and Strong in NUTS 17:35:17 <argoneus> if I have a lot of space for curves, is Medium enough for 7 length coal? 17:35:29 <Alberth> tias 17:35:43 <Alberth> when in doubt throw in an extra engine 17:35:57 <Alberth> it looks awesome as bonus :) 17:36:06 <argoneus> wait 17:36:08 <argoneus> you can chain engines? 17:36:17 <Alberth> oh boy :) 17:36:27 <Alberth> buy en angine, move it into a train 17:36:38 <Alberth> *an 17:36:53 <andythenorth> moar engines 17:37:01 <andythenorth> usually, if in doubt, more 17:37:07 <andythenorth> choosing carefully is very over-rated 17:37:30 <Alberth> preferably with a wagon or two/three in between for better steam show 17:37:34 <andythenorth> sometimes I diligently watch a train run its route 17:37:51 <andythenorth> and then add engines if and only if needed 17:37:54 <andythenorth> other times...MOAR 17:38:02 * andythenorth should play a game 17:38:08 * andythenorth should fix some ships 17:38:10 <andythenorth> and RVs 17:38:18 <Alberth> play > fix ? 17:40:14 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387a3aa.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:41:37 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6E87E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:15 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.ks.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:19 <andythenorth> :P 17:46:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:46:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26912 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2014-09-23 17:46:13 UTC) 17:46:27 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:28 <DorpsGek> czech - 21 changes by argoneus 17:46:29 <DorpsGek> korean - 2 changes by telk5093 17:46:30 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 18 changes by Stabilitronas 17:46:31 <DorpsGek> spanish - 3 changes by SilverSurferZzZ 17:46:32 <DorpsGek> welsh - 14 changes by kazzie 17:46:50 * argoneus tips 17:47:41 <argoneus> V453000: does autoreplace only work for the trains of the same type? (Strong, Medium etc) 17:48:02 <V453000> no, for all trains 17:48:21 <argoneus> huh, something is very wrong then 17:48:39 <V453000> if you are using nuts make sure you are also replacing wagons which fit to the desired train 17:48:48 <argoneus> I'm using the universal ones 17:48:50 <argoneus> but thing is 17:49:02 <argoneus> 1, my trains don't go to the depot 2, when I force them there they don't do anything 17:49:06 <argoneus> even though I'm above the money limit 17:49:10 <argoneus> and there's no message either ._. 17:49:55 <Alberth> I think we'll need a save game if you want real help 17:50:09 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.ks.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:11 <argoneus> I'll try for a few more years 17:50:14 <argoneus> to make sure it's not me being retarded 17:50:26 <Alberth> ok :) 17:53:40 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:57:36 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0133ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:06 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@13-17-191-195.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:40 <V453000> argoneus: which engine to which engine? 18:03:59 <frosch123> hai kids 18:04:06 <V453000> yo kid 18:04:09 <argoneus> V453000: educated horses to revelation engine 18:04:27 <V453000> that should indeed work without issues 18:04:37 <argoneus> uhhhh 18:06:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A186CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:56 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 18:19:39 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@00017153.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26913 /branches/1.4 (5 files in 3 dirs) (2014-09-23 18:33:31 UTC) 18:33:38 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Update documentation 18:35:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26914 /tags/1.4.3 (10 files in 4 dirs) (2014-09-23 18:35:17 UTC) 18:35:24 <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.4.3 18:36:52 <Xaroth|Work> gz 18:39:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:37 <Wolf01> hi hi 18:48:38 <Alberth> hi 18:55:26 <keoz> any way that a gamescript can disable the water/food requirement for tropical town's in order to growth ? 18:55:34 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 18:55:55 <keoz> (hi, btw) 18:57:52 <keoz> Oh, maybee a solution with CargoEffects 18:58:05 *** NumberNoid [~NumberNoi@cpc9-sgyl32-2-0-cust843.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:08 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6E87E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:09 <NumberNoid> hello 18:58:26 <NumberNoid> im having some issues with a server 18:58:46 *** sla_ro|master2 [slamaster@95.76.26.55] has joined #openttd 18:58:57 <NumberNoid> its quite simply when the yearly autosave comes around I get disconnected 18:59:06 <NumberNoid> like the client looses the connection to the server 18:59:11 <NumberNoid> any solutions? 18:59:28 <NumberNoid> running debian on server machine 18:59:53 <FLHerne_> NumberNoid: What sort of disconnect? Timeout? Desync? 19:00:30 <glx> missing version info too 19:00:30 <NumberNoid> general disconnect 19:00:39 <NumberNoid> however Im assuming its a timeour 19:00:41 <NumberNoid> out* 19:00:50 <NumberNoid> using openttd 1.4.2 stable 19:01:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-53-231.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:56 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.26.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:02 <FLHerne_> NumberNoid: Is the client relatively slow? That can happen when the client fails to keep up with the server, and autosaving might push it over the edge 19:02:27 <NumberNoid> I don't think the client would be the issue 19:02:36 <NumberNoid> the network speed might be though 19:02:56 <NumberNoid> currently having a 4096x4096 map with couple opengfr's 19:03:06 <glx> that's the issue :) 19:03:06 <NumberNoid> there its happening 19:03:19 <glx> 4kx4k is huge 19:03:22 <NumberNoid> it is 19:03:26 <NumberNoid> there 19:03:33 <NumberNoid> "network-game connection lost" 19:04:01 <NumberNoid> is there a way to fix this? 19:04:02 <frosch123> keoz: just set the cargo requirements for town growth to "nothing" 19:04:24 <frosch123> the default conditions only apply for TOWN_GROWTH_NORMAL 19:04:37 <glx> use a smaller map 19:04:55 <NumberNoid> like the "max_lag" thing is on full (65500 or similar) 19:05:10 <NumberNoid> yes but I really don't want to loose the progress we had on the current map 19:05:41 <keoz> mmh, frosch123 19:06:07 <keoz> not sure I understand the procedure. My script already disables normal growth 19:06:09 <frosch123> ignore teh TOWN_GROWTH_NORMAL, i was confusing stuff 19:06:12 <Rubidium> is autosave set on the serveror the client? 19:06:23 <NumberNoid> on server 19:06:26 <frosch123> there is no easy way to reset it to default, once you changed them 19:06:26 <NumberNoid> and client 19:06:41 <NumberNoid> is it possible to disable autosave? 19:06:42 <frosch123> keoz: GSTown::SetCargoGoal 19:06:51 <NumberNoid> or make it something like 10 years? 19:06:54 <Rubidium> it's definitely possible to disable autosave 19:07:21 * NumberNoid missed the "off" function all these years 19:07:24 <NumberNoid> bloody hell 19:07:27 <keoz> frosch123: yeah I was thinking to that method. Just need to figure out the right way :-) 19:07:39 <NumberNoid> is it possible to do it in server commands? 19:07:44 <Rubidium> maybe disabling the autosave on the client works 19:07:58 <NumberNoid> lemme try 19:08:06 <keoz> the description of SetCargoGoal is confusing, since it asks a cargo id for a GSCargo::TownEffect 19:09:19 <NumberNoid> any way to unlock all the airports? 19:09:38 <frosch123> keoz: it doesn'T ask as cargo id 19:09:41 <Alberth> aircraft are boring to play 19:09:51 <NumberNoid> easy money though 19:09:54 <NumberNoid> to get trains 19:10:40 <keoz> frosch123: ok, that's what I understood. But the documentation asks for "The index of the cargo." 19:11:10 <keoz> Anyway. I'll try to play with SetCargoGoal and see what it gives :) 19:11:33 <frosch123> ah, i'll fix the docs 19:11:44 <frosch123> the @pre were also wrong 19:12:05 <keoz> are they ? 19:12:29 <frosch123> well, they say cargo_id, when the parameter is called towneffect_id 19:12:39 <NumberNoid> I need to ask; how difficult would it be to remake openttd into 3d graphics (not isometric)? 19:12:44 <keoz> oh, yes, right 19:12:54 <frosch123> NumberNoid: download train fever 19:13:00 <frosch123> easily done within 30 minutes 19:13:08 <NumberNoid> lol 19:13:18 * NumberNoid prefers open source software 19:13:34 <keoz> frosch123: : also IsValidTown should maybee be preceeded by GSTown:: 19:13:44 <keoz> (still in the @pre) 19:14:34 <frosch123> nah, that is a method of the same class 19:14:40 <frosch123> it's that way everywhere 19:14:55 <keoz> right 19:16:42 <NumberNoid> im gonna go from IRC as I cbb adding this to my BNC 19:16:54 <NumberNoid> (and I don't host a openttd server often nuff 19:16:56 <NumberNoid> ) 19:17:03 <NumberNoid> thanks for the help and great game! 19:17:18 *** NumberNoid [~NumberNoi@cpc9-sgyl32-2-0-cust843.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:44 <Rubidium> blathijs / heffer: there has been a release 19:21:53 <heffer> thanks. updating 19:23:10 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.4.3 19:23:10 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 19:23:47 <argoneus> were the commit notices killed? 19:24:16 <frosch123> no? 19:24:18 <Rubidium> argoneus: what makes you think that? 19:24:31 <argoneus> oh 19:24:38 <argoneus> I just noticed you changed the topic, but didn't know what was before 19:24:43 <argoneus> and I remember that commit notices were always here 19:26:50 <Rubidium> well, they still are 19:27:10 <Rubidium> it's just that OpenTTD doesn't instantly get compiled on 20 platforms 19:28:55 <heffer> reminds me i still need to file that bundling exception regarding squirrel with the Fedora Engineering Steering Comittee 19:29:54 <frosch123> sounds fancy, what's that? :p 19:30:14 <frosch123> what's exceptional about squirrel? 19:30:31 <Rubidium> it's a library, but we don't link with the library 19:30:51 <Rubidium> instead we include the source code with modifications 19:31:38 <heffer> yeah. and Rubidium and I talked about the reasons also. and i think they are valid. 19:31:41 <frosch123> oh, there is a squirrel package in fedora? 19:31:48 <heffer> yes, there actually is 19:33:07 <heffer> in Fedora we usually can't bundle libraries. unless you file an exception which must be granted by FESCo. 19:33:24 <heffer> if you file for an exception you better have a good reason though 19:34:27 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:36:43 *** sla_ro|master2 [slamaster@95.76.26.55] has quit [] 19:40:02 *** FLHerne_ is now known as FLHerne 19:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think i'm going bankrupt now :/ 19:57:32 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:55 * Rubidium wonders how long it takes before someone asks to write an import for train fever save games into OpenTTD 20:02:43 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:47 <heffer> the ARM build are always taking forever 20:02:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 20:03:08 <peter1138> nobody uses it anyway 20:03:15 * andythenorth broke the tests 20:03:35 <Rubidium> well, at least 1.4.3 doesn't segfault upon regression test of m68k 20:03:43 <heffer> peter1138: pretty sure no one ever installed openttd on Fedora ARM 20:03:44 <frosch123> Rubidium: did anyone ask for a simutrans, locomotion or railroad tycoon import? 20:04:07 <heffer> Sim City 2000 import 20:04:09 <Rubidium> frosch123: if so, I mentally ignored them 20:04:57 <Eddi|zuHause> have people even asked about TTDP import lately? 20:05:11 <Rubidium> what's TTDP? 20:05:47 <__ln__> i'd like to import word documents. 20:06:35 <frosch123> i think exporting excel spreadsheets is more important 20:07:16 <Supercheese> Well, if Train Fever can export a heightmap... 20:07:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: mail client 20:07:36 <Supercheese> although I doubt it can 20:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i want export to toaster 20:08:27 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: export to gardena? :p 20:08:37 <heffer> i want to import my punchcards 20:08:45 <Rubidium> HTCPCP ? 20:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> never heard of that 20:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if i should attempt a large map, or if performance of the simulation will suffer... 20:16:38 * andythenorth unbreaks the tests 20:25:20 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:3c6f:db19:d87a:7d4] has quit [Quit: .] 20:29:17 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 20:32:27 * andythenorth goes to bed 20:32:28 <andythenorth> bye 20:32:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:35:45 <heffer> update for Fedora has been pushed to testing 20:36:00 <heffer> I guess that was my fastest push to date :D 20:38:13 <frosch123> :) 21:18:57 <Wolf01> 'night 21:19:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:23:01 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.132.110.252] has joined #openttd 21:28:13 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:34 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:14d3:6164:925:21eb] has joined #openttd 22:01:19 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387a3aa.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:05:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A186CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:34 <peter1138> hmm 22:11:33 *** user1993 [502a578e@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:11:37 *** user1993 [502a578e@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [autokilled: Mibbit is no longer supported, please use https://webchat.oftc.net or mail support@oftc.net with questions. 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