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I wanna just do this Australia map 08:12:40 <Flygon> But I'm afraid ot landscaping the rivers and desert 08:13:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you should only include rivers that are traversible by ship 08:14:06 <Flygon> Australia had/has a fair few of those >_>" 08:14:13 <Flygon> Though 08:14:29 <Flygon> This does reduce how many I DO need to include... 08:14:57 <Flygon> Eddi|zuHause: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/australiaheightmaptemp2rotv2.png What I have had so far (river lines... er, quite obvious) 08:15:09 <Flygon> I'll be able to cull a fair few of these back with that particular provision 08:18:49 <Flygon> Urf 08:19:05 <Flygon> I know I'm gonna piss a lot of people off culling off anything outside from the Murray-Darling Basin 08:33:21 <Flygon> Alright 08:33:28 <Flygon> Cut back ALL the rivers a hellava lot 08:47:51 <Flygon> Hrmmm.... 08:47:57 <Flygon> We need another Zoom Out level 08:47:58 <Flygon> <_> 09:00:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a patch for that 09:01:00 <Flygon> Oh 09:01:02 <Flygon> Neat :3 09:01:05 <Flygon> tl;dr 09:01:08 <Flygon> Uhm... 09:01:17 <Flygon> Tedious Desert modifying is tedious @_@ 09:01:38 <Flygon> The fact the tools only work in rectangles doesn't help 09:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> they don't have a diagonal mode? 09:02:10 <Flygon> I don't think so 09:02:14 <Flygon> But it's more 09:02:19 <Flygon> Trying to get a natural looking CURVE 09:02:22 <Flygon> Unlike, say 09:02:25 <Flygon> A paintbrush tool 09:02:30 <Flygon> Drawn with a graphics tablet pen 09:29:27 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 09:29:41 <Wolf01> Moin 09:36:58 *** JezK_ has quit IRC 10:10:51 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 11:13:29 <__ln__> @seen Bjarni 11:13:29 <DorpsGek> __ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 5 years, 6 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, 54 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh 11:14:10 *** bwn has quit IRC 11:14:24 <__ln__> why doesn't the bot express time in years, *fortnights*, days, ... 11:39:39 *** bwn has joined #openttd 11:43:36 *** behalebabo has quit IRC 11:44:45 *** behalebabo has joined #openttd 11:47:24 *** BluesInTheNet has quit IRC 11:51:03 *** BluesInTheNet has joined #openttd 12:25:47 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 12:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause> same reason why managers don't have two earrings 12:29:12 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 12:39:32 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 12:47:54 <__ln__> except according to me, in OpenGFX they do: https://bugs.openttd.org/task/69 13:12:29 *** umgeher_ is now known as umgeher 13:19:34 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aOdQ0d6_700b.jpg uhm... 13:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> steam-powered horses. we need those! 13:27:28 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1d1Rew_460s.jpg __ln__, translation? 13:28:37 <__ln__> "we'll use this to finally saw Turku off the coast of Finland" 13:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> good luck getting that thing to finland :p 13:30:57 <Wolf01> We would need some of those too, to cut Italy in half 13:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't italy trying to do that on its own already? 13:32:33 <Wolf01> Not really, it only tries to change position 13:35:40 *** Cals has joined #openttd 13:35:56 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 13:47:17 *** Cals has quit IRC 14:53:56 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:58:55 *** bwn has quit IRC 15:05:55 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 15:54:02 *** bwn has joined #openttd 16:03:45 *** newbie has joined #openttd 16:10:42 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 16:23:05 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 16:23:05 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 16:24:24 <Alberth> hi hi 16:24:41 <Wolf01> o/ 16:28:09 <Wolf01> https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/ ahahahahah 16:29:09 <Wolf01> To support 32GB of memory would require using DDR memory that is not low power and also require a different design of the logic board which might reduce space for batteries. Both factors would reduce battery life. 16:29:48 <peter1138> 16GB is enough for anyone... 16:30:03 <Alberth> ah, makes sense to limit the mem size then 16:30:47 <Wolf01> I think that removing the jack also from the macbook could have made more space 16:30:56 <Alberth> as "work" for most people doesn't go much beyond email + web + powerpoint / word-processing 16:31:03 <Wolf01> Btw, develop better batteries instead 16:31:34 <Alberth> lots of people are doing that already 16:31:48 <Alberth> it's far from trivial 16:33:26 <peter1138> problem is they keep making them thinner 16:33:41 <peter1138> i don't need to use my laptop as a knife 16:34:45 <Alberth> better make them more wing-shape, increases air time much better :) 16:36:56 <Wolf01> On this pc I have 16GB, I never used more than 70% with browser, visual studio and a game at the same time, memory optimization is really good nowadays 16:40:26 <peter1138> ... 16:40:31 <peter1138> I think you mean *bad* 16:41:00 <Wolf01> With XP I would have needed 32GB 16:41:16 <peter1138> That's like saying your milk is cheap as it only cost €100 for a litre, but it's okay because you had €200 on hand. 16:41:53 <peter1138> XP likely wouldn't've known what to do with 32GB. 16:41:57 <Wolf01> At least it doesn't swap 16:42:19 <peter1138> I have 16GB here, and 2GB swap used. 16:50:51 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 17:01:08 *** keoz has joined #openttd 17:05:17 *** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd 17:11:02 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 17:29:03 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:56:33 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:56:39 <Wolf01> Quak 17:58:58 <maciozo> um, what do i do when i have a plane that's in an airport that's too small for it? 17:59:36 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:59:36 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:01:24 *** supermop has joined #openttd 18:02:12 <frosch123> moin 18:02:35 <frosch123> maciozo: take off is always safe, just landing is dangerous 18:02:47 <maciozo> alright, thanks 18:10:26 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 18:13:58 *** zeknurn` has joined #openttd 18:16:48 *** zeknurn has quit IRC 18:16:48 *** zeknurn` is now known as zeknurn 18:20:18 *** Lokimaros has quit IRC 18:21:29 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:21:34 <Wolf01> o/ 18:21:59 <andythenorth> alright 18:22:11 <supermop> yo 18:27:31 *** Mazur has joined #openttd 18:31:03 <__ln__> What should I see in Nuremberg and its vicinity? 18:31:09 <__ln__> (Already seen the DB museum.) 18:31:29 <Wolf01> https://www.bundlestars.com/en/bundle/catastrophe-bundle a bundle right for andy 18:31:32 <FR^2> __ln__: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Nuremberg 18:34:16 *** newbie has quit IRC 18:34:27 <__ln__> Any personal favourites? 18:35:22 <FR^2> Nürnberger Bratwurst mit Sauerkraut, ist doch klar! ;) 18:35:47 <FR^2> __ln__: no idea, it's been quite some time when I was last in Nürnberg. 18:38:24 <__ln__> Also the Siemens MedMuseum in Erlangen was interesting, but seen that too. 18:40:17 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 18:42:52 <andythenorth> cat bundle 18:49:21 *** aard has joined #openttd 18:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> they have a famous christmas market in nürnberg 18:49:52 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on when you go... 18:50:25 <__ln__> in the beginning of december, to visit the christmas market :) 19:02:29 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 19:03:08 *** keoz has quit IRC 19:05:36 *** Mazur has quit IRC 19:09:19 *** Mazur has joined #openttd 19:13:50 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:43:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:53:43 <supermop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAC0F4RX1768 19:53:52 <supermop> wonder if that thing will be loud as hell 20:00:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 20:07:06 *** mescalito_ has quit IRC 20:20:31 <andythenorth> it’s cheap though eh? 20:22:38 <SpComb> > Firefox can’t establish a connection to the server at www.newegg.com 20:22:44 <SpComb> prep for black friday? 20:33:46 <supermop> andythenorth: thats the idea 20:34:13 <supermop> never used xeon anything before though, so afraid it will be loud 20:36:00 <supermop> looks thin too 20:37:33 <Alberth> mentioning of rack systems is also not promising wrt sound :) 20:37:47 <Alberth> nor is triple cooling system :p 20:38:21 <supermop> haha 20:41:14 <supermop> Alberth: this looks more quiet but a bit more cash 20:41:16 <supermop> https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/productID.5074015900?icid=en_US_homepage_hero_1_SurfaceStudio_161101 20:41:39 <supermop> and it has a big knob 20:42:16 <Alberth> ah, looks very fancy, apple-ish 20:42:46 <maciozo> hmm, could any of you tell me why this entry signal is red? https://soton.maciozo.com/share/openttd_2016-11-22_20-41-52.png 20:42:58 <Alberth> probably horribly expensive :) 20:43:22 <supermop> Alberth: over 00 for what i'd want 20:43:37 <Alberth> right, horribly expensive :p 20:43:48 <Alberth> maciozo: oh dear, pre-signals 20:44:00 <Alberth> why not use simple path signals and be done with it 20:44:01 <supermop> maciozo: there is a train in the block 20:44:02 <maciozo> aren't they lovely? 20:44:08 <maciozo> hmm 20:44:16 <maciozo> never thought of that 20:44:35 <maciozo> are pre-signals broken then, or something? 20:44:44 <maciozo> because i swear that one should be green 20:44:45 <supermop> if there is any train in any of the track beyond a block signal, it will always be red 20:45:15 <Alberth> only path signals allow several trains in one block 20:45:23 <maciozo> alright 20:45:33 <supermop> its not a path signal, so it cannot determine between separate paths through a block 20:46:40 <maciozo> and excuse the horribly inefficient track design 20:47:46 <maciozo> also, is there a reason why path signals are always red until the train goes up to them? 20:48:25 <supermop> as long as you use block signals of any kind, only one train can be in a junction, even if two non conflicting paths through exist 20:49:08 <supermop> a path signal reserves a path through to the next signal, and only allows a train through if a safe path is granted 20:49:32 <supermop> until a train arrives at the signal it has no need to look for a path, so it stay red 20:49:47 <maciozo> surely they don't work like that in real life, trains tend to take a while to stop 20:49:47 <Alberth> they are probably red due to lack of a path running through the signal 20:50:04 <Alberth> maciozo: nah, that's a RL bug 20:50:07 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 20:50:15 <supermop> when a train arrives, it 'requests' a path, and then if one is given, the signal goes clear 20:50:43 <maciozo> and if the signal doesn't go clear, the train has to slam on the brakes? 20:50:49 <supermop> maciozo: in real life the train is able to 'request' a path through the signal long before it arrive at it 20:50:52 <maciozo> ah 20:50:57 <maciozo> that makes more sense 20:51:24 <supermop> and there are yellow signals before, so if the path is not available, the train has plenty of time to slow down 20:51:56 <Alberth> any relation with real life concepts is purely incidental, and not intentional :) 20:52:00 <maciozo> would be nice if it was more like that in the game 20:52:17 <maciozo> would also be nice if the game ran on more than one core >.> 20:52:26 <supermop> maciozo: a yellow signal patch exists 20:52:32 <maciozo> :o 20:52:34 <Alberth> it can, just scrap multi-player 20:52:38 <supermop> it ... is a little difficult 20:53:16 <maciozo> idk, the mp thing seems like a rather bad excuse... most games nowadays manage to implement mp and multicore fine 20:53:18 <supermop> suddenly the game is a lot less fun when you need to plan for 1000s of feet of safe braking distance 20:53:55 <Alberth> maciozo: well, it's feel free to try 20:54:03 <maciozo> so, i guess it also affects braking distance then? 20:54:03 <Alberth> others have tried and failed 20:54:40 <supermop> maciozo: otherwise there is no real need for a yellow signal when trains stop instantly 20:54:47 <maciozo> fair enough 20:55:25 <Alberth> however, I think more threatening is not having a good path to using the GPU 20:55:27 <supermop> turns out its nicer that trains run at full speed right up to red instead of crawl along at 40kmh because of congestion ahead 20:55:54 <supermop> but the yellow patch provides interesting challanges 20:56:25 <Alberth> slowing down a little behind a slower train would be nice though, imho 20:56:31 <supermop> works best on large maps with big spaces between stations, and lower train frequencies 20:56:35 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 20:56:54 <supermop> Alberth: that is working in patch if you turn off the realistic braking 20:56:58 *** sla_ro|master2 has quit IRC 20:57:05 <Alberth> enable breakdowns, and you'd need more room very soon :) 20:57:38 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 20:57:42 <supermop> it still has trouble on single branch lines, because it treats the whole line as if approaching a red signal, even if it is 100km long 20:57:52 <Alberth> lol 20:58:02 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 20:58:26 <Alberth> since most of my track is single line, that will be a mess :) 20:58:38 <supermop> and if you put signals on the single line, then your trains get stuck 20:58:41 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 20:58:57 <Alberth> needs some more work then :) 20:59:26 <supermop> yep, karn seems to be serious about working on it though 20:59:32 <andythenorth> supermop: the surface is parity with Apple on performance / quality / price 20:59:35 <andythenorth> from what I read 20:59:45 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 20:59:50 <andythenorth> you get a lot more computing power in that 0 thing 21:00:06 *** czaks has quit IRC 21:00:10 <supermop> andythenorth: rhino and acad a bit better on win 21:00:12 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:00:13 <andythenorth> but have you ever heard a rack mount server start up in a normal office? o_O 21:00:16 <supermop> in terms of plug ins 21:00:35 <supermop> 900 thing isnt a rack? 21:00:44 <andythenorth> might have similar cooling :) 21:00:50 <supermop> our server in this office is always wheezing 21:01:15 <andythenorth> 0 is practically free 21:01:26 <andythenorth> although it only has 16GB installed, you’d need more 21:01:30 <andythenorth> not ‘pro’ :P 21:01:36 <Alberth> :D 21:02:03 <Alberth> add ssd memory to get more :p 21:02:15 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:02:27 <supermop> i am curious about ugly box+surface to take around 21:02:33 <Alberth> or insert a usb stick 21:02:37 <supermop> instead of mobile workstation laptop 21:02:50 <andythenorth> it’s / day for that workstation, and it might even last more than 1 year 21:02:51 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:03:20 *** czaks has joined #openttd 21:03:30 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:04:20 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:07:38 <supermop> doesnt need to be that box either 21:07:53 <supermop> anything thats not a huge tower would suffice 21:08:15 <supermop> would like to have the option to throw some gpus into the case in future 21:08:32 <V453000> andythenorth: human reports that this industry spawned and overwrote some tracks http://mrftp.mooo.com:20080/tmp/wtf-industry.jpg 21:08:39 <V453000> probably openttd bug but you should be aware 21:08:49 <V453000> [22:07] <Arveen> r27661 [22:07] <Arveen> with firs 2.1.5 21:09:05 <supermop> wut 21:09:09 <V453000> total wtf 21:09:19 <V453000> I don't want to believe it happened but ... idk 21:10:00 <Arveen> yeah, i dunno. but im absolutly sure i completed that hub 21:10:14 <supermop> andythenorth: magnesium -> surfaces? 21:11:24 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=802086730 21:11:27 <supermop> is magic buldozer on? 21:11:49 <Arveen> nope 21:12:36 <supermop> no way the industry grf changes what can overbuild tracks 21:12:47 <supermop> must be bug in game 21:13:06 <andythenorth> that is new firs feature 21:13:24 <andythenorth> industry tile checks for presence of tracks, builds over them 21:13:28 <Arveen> putting cargo directly on the tracks ? :D 21:13:30 <andythenorth> BAD FEATURE? 21:14:50 <glx> V453000: magic buldozer active ? 21:15:06 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:17:33 * andythenorth bed 21:17:33 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:21:06 <Alberth> UFO replacement 21:22:20 <__ln__> I guess everyone is aware of My Summer Car by now? 21:22:40 <Arveen> well, ima let this game run over night in fast forward and check if tomorrow any more tiles get overwritten by new industries 21:24:50 *** Arveen has quit IRC 21:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: my what? 21:27:55 *** mescalito has joined #openttd 21:29:41 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: a trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBitEX-8IcM 21:32:47 <Wolf01> Car mechanic simulator on steroids 21:34:04 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:42:43 *** rowdog has joined #openttd 21:49:45 *** Jinassi has joined #openttd 21:50:23 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 21:50:50 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:51:02 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 21:53:04 *** keoz has joined #openttd 21:54:01 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:58:43 *** Jinassi2 has joined #openttd 21:58:43 *** Jinassi is now known as Guest533 21:58:43 *** Jinassi2 is now known as Jinassi 22:00:43 *** Guest533 has quit IRC 22:03:05 *** supermop has quit IRC 22:05:03 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:10:35 *** supermop has joined #openttd 22:21:11 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:21:45 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:29:05 *** Jinassi has quit IRC 22:35:32 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:35:55 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:38:38 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 22:40:54 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:41:18 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:42:52 *** aard has quit IRC 22:44:15 *** behalebabo has quit IRC 22:45:29 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:46:28 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:48:19 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:48:37 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:49:47 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:50:26 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:50:35 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: öhm... uhh... what... ? 22:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 22:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "Im from Finland and i can say that this is an accurate simulation of Finland." 22:53:27 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:53:37 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:53:48 *** welshdragon has joined #openttd 22:54:06 *** bwn has quit IRC 23:01:50 *** behalebabo has joined #openttd 23:02:17 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 23:10:54 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:31:11 *** JezK_ has joined #openttd