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Log for #openttdcoop on 25th February 2010:
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00:02:47  <V453000> :\ why to complicate it when there is already a way :)
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00:05:05  <Chris_Booth> i am with Gleeb on this
00:05:36  <Chris_Booth> if you could drop MUs at line splits would be good feature
00:05:38  <Ammler> there is no difference gamewise
00:05:39  <Gleeb> because it's fun
00:05:59  <Gleeb> Also Practical
00:06:05  <Chris_Booth> also if you could drop wagons as goods depot, and then just wheel a loco in to pick them up
00:06:26  <Ammler> and then?
00:06:44  <Chris_Booth> then take them to where they need to go
00:06:48  <Ammler> that is eyecandy
00:06:58  <Chris_Booth> so you dont need to pay for the loco while you are not using it
00:07:20  <Ammler> 2cc supports that
00:07:23  <OwenS> The big problem that I see with it is this: What identifies a train now, when it's made up of two? When you have two half trains?
00:07:47  <KenjiE20> that's pretty much the problem the old thread had
00:07:52  <KenjiE20> that and orders
00:08:01  <OwenS> I see orders as a subset of that problem
00:08:06  <KenjiE20> it basically would need total rewrites
00:08:10  <Chris_Booth> OwenS i dont know, but yeah orders and train ID or number
00:08:25  <Chris_Booth> you would need to be able to write a join / split order
00:08:34  <Ammler> every waggon has its own id
00:08:39  <Chris_Booth> and then have a daul number, so 21+ 59
00:08:39  <KenjiE20> you could probably spoof it partly, by having them 1px arapt
00:08:48  <KenjiE20> but then you've still got the orders thing
00:09:14  <OwenS> TBH, I don't feel it would be worth it in the complexity that would flood the codebase
00:09:22  <Gleeb> Orders is easy, tbh. Engines have orders, cars just follow engines.
00:09:22  <Chris_Booth> its the sort of thing that would never be used aswell
00:09:53  <KenjiE20> if it was there, I'd use it constantly
00:09:59  <OwenS> Gleeb: Not all engines have orders
00:10:02  <Chris_Booth> anh how would game judge if its a crash or a recouple?
00:10:15  <V453000> http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/stats.html Mark? 12 days ago? lol
00:10:16  <Webster> Title: #openttdcoop @ OFTC stats by Webster (at hyru.ath.cx:60080)
00:10:16  <OwenS> KenjiE20: Sure. But imagine the ongoing cost to the developers
00:10:46  <Gleeb> why would an engine not have orders?
00:10:46  <Chris_Booth> and the how bugy it would be at first
00:10:55  <OwenS> Gleeb: A TRAIN has orders
00:10:56  <Chris_Booth> train wouldnt or wouldnt crash
00:12:04  <Gleeb> Well, the people that drive trains have orders, the enine is the part of the train that makes the orders possible.
00:12:39  <Chris_Booth> gleeb how would you get 1 trains in one block without crahing them?
00:13:12  <Gleeb> Chris: Hmm?
00:13:27  <V453000> too much reality there :)
00:13:34  <Chris_Booth> if you want trains to join, then they need to be in the same block
00:13:52  <Chris_Booth> openttd will make the train go as fast as possible and crash head on
00:13:57  <Chris_Booth> with a big kaboom
00:14:12  <Chris_Booth> or i will make the trains wait in different block thus never joining
00:14:27  <Gleeb> Right. So code it so they don't, so they slow down to pick up the cars, or to join.
00:15:10  <Chris_Booth> with that case you can also say, how do you detrmin if a train i joining?
00:15:24  <Chris_Booth> so a different train pulls into the block blocking the join?
00:15:30  <Gleeb> By it's orders/state
00:15:47  <Chris_Booth> ok you try that one
00:16:38  <Gleeb> I don"t have a physical keyboard to type at length, but I don't see collisions or blocking as an issue.
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00:18:43  <Gleeb> Simply because, with a change to the way trains move or some other method, it is avoidable.
00:19:16  <Gleeb> You could even make it so some times, there are accidents.
00:19:29  <Gleeb> much like airports
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00:54:57  <PeterT> haha @ !password
00:55:30  <PeterT> !password
00:55:30  <PublicServer> PeterT: bowels
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00:58:53  <Qanael> Hey everyone
00:58:54  <Qanael> !password
00:58:54  <PublicServer> Qanael: bowels
00:58:59  <Qanael> Eww
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00:59:43  <V453000> hi Q
01:00:45  <PublicServer> <Peter> Thanks
01:00:50  <PublicServer> <Peter> Hello V453000
01:00:58  <PublicServer> <Peter> hey Qanael
01:00:59  <V453000> hi Peter :)
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01:07:54  <PeterT> Crash
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01:08:02  <PublicServer> <Qanael> CHT could seriousy use more station lanes :x
01:08:10  <PeterT> Sorry
01:08:14  <PeterT> I will join for a bit more
01:08:19  <PeterT> But I need to code some stuff
01:08:20  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Don't worry about it
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01:08:35  <PeterT> k then
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01:08:59  <PublicServer> <Qanael> I finished what I wanted to do for now
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01:09:02  <PeterT> Ok
01:09:03  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Looking for more stuff to do
01:13:46  <V453000> just write me a message if you want me to join
01:16:23  <PublicServer> <Qanael> That'd be nice, I just realized one of my TGV stations has 41% rating :x
01:16:38  <PublicServer> <Qanael> The city grew a lot when I was away
01:16:44  <V453000> !password
01:16:44  <PublicServer> V453000: truism
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01:18:11  <V453000> !password
01:18:12  <PublicServer> V453000: madcap
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01:18:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
01:18:37  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Hey hey
01:24:50  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Send some trains to SNB if you want
01:25:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> do for yourself :)
01:25:18  <PublicServer> <Qanael> kk
01:29:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> 3200 total water per month is no fun for one station :D
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01:34:05  <PublicServer> <Qanael> One of my plantations jumped to 2k
01:34:11  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Time for some expansion
01:45:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> 2295 production rips my ass in half
01:45:57  <Gleeb> ...
01:46:16  <V453000> :D ?
01:47:22  <Gleeb> What's with that last !screen?
01:47:37  <V453000> wip
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01:48:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> I just had to revise my station
01:48:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> thats all
01:48:48  <Gleeb> interesting balancing
01:49:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> quite effective with these little bugs
01:49:25  <Gleeb> bugs?
01:49:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> trains
01:49:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think bugs is more appropriate for TL1 :D
01:49:55  <Gleeb> Oh, you mean the short TL?
01:50:17  <Gleeb> Man, I miss having a PC.
01:50:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> ?
01:50:38  <Gleeb> My PCs are dead.
01:50:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> :o
01:50:59  <Gleeb> yeah
01:54:53  <V453000> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEl1OwL_mTA&feature=related holy everything!
01:54:54  <Webster> Title: YouTube - TechnoViking - Power Remix (at www.youtube.com)
01:56:05  <Sander_Buruma> !password
01:56:05  <PublicServer> Sander_Buruma: rasped
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01:56:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
01:56:23  <PublicServer> <Sander Buruma> hello
01:57:03  <PublicServer> <Sander Buruma> so now the ants have a more orderly station
01:57:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
01:57:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> was required
02:00:57  <PublicServer> <Sander Buruma> im genuinely horrified by this anthill
02:01:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> genuinely horrified?
02:01:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> omg jam there
02:01:37  <PublicServer> <Sander Buruma> to be expected
02:01:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> expected?
02:02:25  <PublicServer> <Sander Buruma> my brain shortcircuiting on the sight of this
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02:03:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont know what are you talking about but whatever
02:06:59  <PeterT> LOLOL at the prozone password!
02:07:19  <V453000> where?
02:07:22  <Sander_Buruma> do tell after it changes
02:07:31  <PeterT> [21:07:01] <PeterT> !password
02:07:32  <PeterT> [21:07:01] <ProZone> seaman
02:07:38  <V453000> lol
02:09:53  <PeterT> Ammler: What encoding should the translation to avignon be?
02:09:55  <PeterT> UTF-8?
02:10:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> u think Ammler is here at this time? :D it is 3a.m.
02:10:28  <PeterT> Ammler is always here, watching us
02:10:38  <PeterT> He just waits for someone to highlight him
02:10:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> maybe not this time :)
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02:26:19  <F223> !password
02:26:19  <PublicServer> F223: brazen
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02:26:41  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Ugh my supply network is jammed to hell
02:27:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am there in 2 minutes
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02:27:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> where?
02:28:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> oho
02:28:31  <PublicServer> <Qanael> It's a terrible mess
02:28:35  <PublicServer> <Qanael> I can't even figure it out anymore
02:28:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is
02:28:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> it would require a major rebuild
02:29:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> but
02:29:03  <PublicServer> <F223> Where at?  I'd like to see, I'm rather new to this and want to watch people that are good at it at work
02:29:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> what about to hack it
02:29:14  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Between Sanbridge and Finbourne
02:29:21  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Hack it?
02:29:21  <PublicServer> <F223> ty]
02:29:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah
02:29:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> hack
02:29:36  <PublicServer> <Qanael> What do you mean by that?
02:29:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> lets move the town drop closer
02:29:44  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Oh
02:29:52  <PublicServer> <Qanael> That's lame though :P
02:29:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> sec.
02:31:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> k back
02:31:59  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Hmm a little PBS helped
02:32:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> why not? just move it
02:32:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> or make there a 2nd station
02:32:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> as I did
02:32:18  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Yeah I'll do that
02:32:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is "an expansion" :p
02:32:22  <PublicServer> <Qanael> It's close enough
02:32:32  <PublicServer> <Qanael> I just don't like when people station walk half across the screen
02:32:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> plus ... the thing is lame already so why not to make this ;)
02:32:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> see my station at FLN
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02:32:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> this is no walk
02:32:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> just exp.
02:33:21  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Alright
02:33:22  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Let's see then
02:34:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> put it this way: since you use PBS so much there between the lines, we can say we would never use that in a normal game ... which makes the are a bit less conventional ;)
02:34:24  <PublicServer> <Qanael> I guess
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02:39:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> k I am off
02:39:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> cya
02:39:33  <PublicServer> <Qanael> Alright, see ya V\
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02:51:57  <grim4593> !password
02:51:57  <PublicServer> grim4593: pantie
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14:23:24  <V453000> wow Kenji in game :)
14:26:09  <Ammler> on this silent day :-)
14:26:27  <V453000> :)
14:26:50  <V453000> Kenji thought nobody will notice him! :D
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14:44:34  <Sander_Buruma> terrible terrible it is to be cast down with nausea and vomiting of a past meal
14:45:49  <V453000> :|
14:46:06  <V453000> btw. I am eating atm :D :D
14:46:16  <Sander_Buruma> bon appetit
14:46:25  <V453000> thx...
14:46:38  <Sander_Buruma> may it nourish you well
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14:48:47  <Sander_Buruma> be safe
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17:34:54  <PublicServer> Qanael: wrists
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18:32:20  <V453000> still no new blog, phazorx? :(
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20:15:51  <KenjiE20> wow, that was quick, Mum just brought back, Gold Medal themed chocolate from Germany
20:18:45  <SmatZ> KenjiE20: where do you live?
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20:20:38  <KenjiE20> in Blighty
20:21:31  <SmatZ> oh
20:21:39  <SmatZ> I thought you live in Japan or so
20:21:51  <SmatZ> then Germany isn't that much "abroad" :)
20:22:25  <KenjiE20> heh
20:22:47  <SmatZ> KenjiE20: but you are from Japan, right?
20:23:00  <KenjiE20> me? no
20:23:04  <KenjiE20> mum, yes
20:23:05  <SmatZ> oh
20:23:15  <SmatZ> that was massive failure on my side :-/
20:23:28  <KenjiE20> lol
20:23:48  <SmatZ> I got confused by all those "IRC exit messages" in Japanese of yours...
20:24:22  <KenjiE20> ごめね
20:24:26  <KenjiE20> :P
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20:25:40  <KenjiE20> hm, hit the wrong dropdown
20:26:15  <KenjiE20> ごめん<-- is what that should be
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20:26:24  <KenjiE20> the other one is kinda of... yea
20:26:32  <KenjiE20> whoops
20:26:38  <SmatZ> "I rape" uh oh
20:26:40  <SmatZ> :D
20:26:43  <KenjiE20> yea
20:26:50  <SmatZ> oh
20:26:51  <SmatZ> :-D
20:27:09  <KenjiE20> subtle changes make all the difference
20:27:19  <SmatZ> hehe
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20:47:41  <Jorl17> !password
20:47:41  <PublicServer> Jorl17: pistol
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20:48:22  <Jorl17> !password
20:48:22  <PublicServer> Jorl17: mooter
20:48:34  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (not enough players)
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20:48:39  <PublicServer> <Jorl17> Hello.
20:48:46  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hello Jorl17
20:49:36  <PublicServer> <Jorl17> I suppose it's time to try and fix '!' again ;)
20:49:44  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> :)
20:52:03  <PublicServer> <Jorl17> nobody is doing anything, I see.
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20:54:55  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> :(
20:55:16  <Jorl17> Still too complex for me :/
20:55:35  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> it's always complex :)
20:55:42  <Jorl17> I should firstly go around and build some things for myself, then keep reading the wiki and only after all of this should I come back.
20:55:57  <Gleeb> Learn by doing.
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20:56:09  <Jorl17> Exactly, which is why I think I'm safer trying that alone.
20:56:18  <F223> Hey fellas
20:56:33  <F223> !password
20:56:33  <PublicServer> F223: mooter
20:56:36  <Jorl17> So maybe I'll come around once I've mastered at least priorities.
20:56:44  <Gleeb> Someone will fix your mistakes. Sign your work, and you'll get a few tips
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20:57:15  <Jorl17> Sure...but for now I'll work alone, then, who knows? :)
20:57:18  <Jorl17> ;) Thanks for the heads up either way, cya.
20:57:58  <PublicServer> <F223> is it supposed to be paused
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21:07:56  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> je suis seul :(
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21:18:10  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> booh
21:18:25  <planetmaker> aaah!
21:18:37  * planetmaker hides again
21:19:04  <Seppel> ;I
21:22:29  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> at least you disconnected when the track wasn't broken ;)
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21:26:15  <Seppel> skill ;)
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21:33:45  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hello Zerpa ;)
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21:34:13  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> hi
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21:34:24  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> very laggy this game now
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21:37:51  <PublicServer> <Kenix> seems like server is dead
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21:39:23  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> :(
21:39:38  <Kenix> oi
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21:40:02  <PublicServer> <Kenix> there you go :)
21:40:10  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hello Kenix :)
21:40:21  <PublicServer> <Kenix> :o)
21:41:22  <PublicServer> <Kenix> seemd sad i paused the  game for you :P
21:41:37  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> :)
21:46:00  <V453000> hi guys
21:46:28  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> hello V453000
21:46:47  <V453000> hi SmatZ :)
21:46:49  <V453000> !password
21:46:49  <PublicServer> V453000: cacaos
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21:47:33  <V453000> wow
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21:49:50  <PublicServer> <Kenix> welcome v:P
21:49:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> thx :D
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22:15:05  <Pirate87> !ping
22:15:05  <PublicServer> Pirate87: pong
22:15:15  <Pirate87> !playercount
22:15:15  <PublicServer> Pirate87: Number of players: 2
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22:50:26  <Kenix> @tunnels
22:50:26  <Webster> Kenix: (tunnels <trainlength> [<split>]) -- Returns minimum and maximum signal gap sizes for 2,3 and 4 linesplits with <trainlength>. If <spilt> is given it will return the the gap sizes for <split> (+/-) 1.
22:50:55  <Kenix> @tunnels 12
22:50:55  <Webster> Kenix: For Trainlength of 12: < 18 needs 2, 19 - 32 needs 3, 33 - 46 needs 4.
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23:17:51  <Chris_Booth> !players
23:17:53  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: There are currently no clients connected to the server
23:23:18  <F223> is implicit load balancing possible in a terminus station?
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23:38:35  <Phazorx> oh.. that's nuts...W7 starter does not allow wallpaper change
23:38:47  <Phazorx> i should have insisted on white box w/o MS crap
23:39:19  <Phazorx> ignore me :)
23:39:42  <Gleeb> I am
23:43:53  <Chris_Booth> Phazorx: I know what happened to home basic, start is rubish
23:54:03  <Razaekel> !password
23:54:03  <PublicServer> Razaekel: exodus
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23:54:19  <KenjiE20> Let My Trains Go
23:54:35  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> no
23:54:44  <KenjiE20> oh go on.. be nice
23:54:51  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> no, we will not let them go!
23:55:08  * KenjiE20 beseiges Raz with plagues
23:55:22  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> your line is supposed to be
23:55:25  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> let them go!
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23:55:37  <KenjiE20> KRAKOOM
23:55:49  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> >.>
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23:56:26  <KenjiE20> look a plague is killing hosts
23:56:36  <KenjiE20> Let My Trains Go
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23:58:16  <KenjiE20> (no that wasn't weird at all)
23:58:39  <OwenS> !password
23:58:39  <PublicServer> OwenS: exodus
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