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02:05:56 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 02:05:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 02:06:12 <Sylf> just like that, webster makes its comeback 02:26:31 *** max_ has quit IRC 02:28:14 *** ccfreak2k has quit IRC 02:28:26 *** ccfreak2k has joined #openttdcoop 02:31:19 *** ccfreak2k has quit IRC 02:31:49 *** ccfreak2k has joined #openttdcoop 03:33:59 <Webster> Latest update from blog: Advanced Building Revue 07: Stations <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/09/28/advanced-building-revue-07-stations/> || Testing FS 3637 – A Game Inviting Competition [Update] <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/09/23/testing-fs-3637-a-game-inviting-competition/> || ProZone Game 13: Timed (aka insane) SML <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/08/02/prozone-game-13-timed-aka-insane-sml/> || Building 101: double bridges and you <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/07/27/building-101-double-bridges-and-you/> || OSQC the follow up … at last <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/07/27/osqc-the-follow-up-at-last/> || Advanced Building Revue 06: Hubs <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/07/10/advanced-building-revue-06-hubs/> || Coopetition – and the Winner is: Yexo <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/07/05/coopetition-and-the-winner-is-yexo/> || Advanced Building Revue 05: Sbahns and city networks <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/06/13/advanced-building-revue-05-sbahns-and-city-networks/> || Public server game 186 review <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/06/11/public-server-game-186-review/> || Advanced Building Revue 04: Overflows <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/04/26/advanced-building-revue-04-overflows/> 03:34:00 <Webster> fell over getting old headlines THIS IS THE WORK OF THE MYSTERONS! 03:34:44 <Sylf> o_O 03:42:01 *** roboboy has quit IRC 03:47:50 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop 04:14:20 *** Guest1029 has quit IRC 04:14:50 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 04:16:45 *** Ammler has quit IRC 04:24:32 *** roboboy has quit IRC 04:48:39 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 04:51:32 *** davis has joined #openttdcoop 05:06:36 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 05:09:05 *** benom has joined #openttdcoop 05:11:48 *** davis has quit IRC 05:14:05 *** Keiya has quit IRC 05:30:14 *** rawbeef64 has joined #openttdcoop 05:41:25 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop 05:52:00 *** roboboy has quit IRC 06:14:19 *** bmarky has joined #openttdcoop 06:16:05 *** bmarky has left #openttdcoop 06:21:35 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 06:28:36 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttdcoop 06:28:36 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ^Spike^ 06:29:05 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 06:30:56 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop 06:30:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o V453000 06:33:44 <V453000> hi 06:45:11 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00014152: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00014152.png 06:48:48 *** slaca has joined #openttdcoop 06:50:53 *** Mortomes|Work has joined #openttdcoop 06:51:40 <G> V453000: plan clarification, is there enough Iron Ore mines to do your plan? 06:51:54 <V453000> that is no issue, we prospect them 06:52:08 <V453000> at this moment, there is not 06:52:23 <G> !openttd 06:52:31 *** Mortomes|Work is now known as Mortomes|TGIF 06:52:32 <V453000> but since we have enough $ to prospect, its fine 06:52:38 <G> !password 06:52:38 <PublicServer> G: crispy 06:53:01 <G> hmmm I don't acutally recall typing !openttd then, but oh well 06:53:30 <slaca> !password 06:53:31 <PublicServer> slaca: crispy 07:00:12 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00016158: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00016158.png 07:01:24 *** Sleeeper has joined #openttdcoop 07:02:50 <Sleeeper> @quickstart 07:02:51 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 07:05:25 *** Keiya has quit IRC 07:05:46 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 07:08:25 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 07:09:27 *** rawbeef64 has quit IRC 07:12:53 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 07:13:46 <Sleeeper> !password 07:13:46 <PublicServer> Sleeeper: crispy 07:15:12 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00013151: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00013151.png 07:15:35 *** Keiya has quit IRC 07:18:58 *** perk11 has quit IRC 07:22:48 <V453000> @calc 512/3 07:22:48 <Webster> V453000: 170.666666667 07:26:05 *** Sleeeper has quit IRC 07:29:34 <V453000> @180*180-220*150 07:29:43 <V453000> @calc 180*180-220*150 07:29:43 <Webster> V453000: -600 07:29:52 <V453000> @calc 180*180 07:29:52 <Webster> V453000: 32400 07:29:55 <V453000> good 07:30:12 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00013B64: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00013B64.png 07:34:04 <V453000> it should be ready :p 07:34:22 <V453000> just ask some member to call voting finished, I dont want to do it myself this time :) 07:34:41 <Rzewus> morning ;] 07:34:41 <V453000> later on in the day, of course :) when more people gather 07:34:44 <V453000> hi 07:34:46 <G> okay 07:37:05 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 07:37:05 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 07:37:10 <V453000> oh :) 07:37:12 <V453000> @calc 1+1 07:37:22 <Webster> V453000: 2 07:37:23 * V453000 pokes the lazy Webster 07:37:26 <V453000> ha :) 07:40:02 <G> btw, know which AP code is in use? 07:40:56 *** pm has joined #openttdcoop 07:41:32 *** pm is now known as Guest1075 07:41:41 <G> oh got it _ZS_ 07:42:36 *** Guest1073 has quit IRC 07:44:00 <V453000> I got no clue in these things :p 07:44:03 <V453000> anyway, cya :) 07:44:08 <V453000> see you on sunday ^_^ 07:44:12 *** V453000 has quit IRC 07:45:12 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001435D: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001435D.png 07:51:49 *** Guest1075 has quit IRC 07:52:17 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 07:52:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 07:58:26 *** pm-mibbit has joined #openttdcoop 08:01:40 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 08:08:24 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 08:13:58 *** pm-mibbit has quit IRC 08:16:05 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 08:19:13 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 08:19:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 08:21:43 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 08:21:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 08:36:05 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 08:36:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 08:38:06 *** Max| has joined #openttdcoop 08:40:34 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 08:40:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 08:44:26 *** Mitcian has joined #openttdcoop 08:45:55 *** Guest1079 has quit IRC 08:48:40 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop 08:49:11 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest1080 08:49:58 *** Guest1080 is now known as planetmaker 08:53:08 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 08:53:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 08:54:55 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop 08:58:20 *** Guest1082 has quit IRC 09:04:31 *** roboboy has quit IRC 09:07:33 *** rawbeef64 has joined #openttdcoop 09:10:43 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 09:11:36 <HamSandwich> !passwrod 09:11:39 <HamSandwich> !password 09:11:39 <PublicServer> HamSandwich: crispy 09:11:55 <SmatZ> mmmm crispy ham sandwich 09:12:15 *** smoovi has joined #openttdcoop 09:12:30 <ODM> now im hungry 09:12:43 <SmatZ> :) 09:12:45 <HamSandwich> sorry 09:12:49 <HamSandwich> ;/ 09:15:14 <HamSandwich> V's plan has a lot of text 09:15:36 <G> HamSandwich: he's going to be away until Sunday 09:15:42 <HamSandwich> yah I saw 09:16:43 <SmatZ> he creates a winning plan, then he leaves for 4 days 09:16:45 <SmatZ> :( 09:17:01 <G> SmatZ: have you seen the 7 steps to success? 09:17:04 <HamSandwich> we should finish the map before he comes back 09:17:07 <HamSandwich> :D 09:17:30 <SmatZ> G nope 09:17:34 <G> it's so well done step 4 is missing 09:17:35 <G> :P 09:17:52 <ODM> thats odd, game stopped loading halfway through fetching sae 09:17:53 <ODM> save 09:17:58 <ODM> !password 09:17:59 <PublicServer> ODM: crispy 09:18:03 <SmatZ> :) 09:18:10 <HamSandwich> password hasn't changed in a few days I see 09:18:16 <G> yeah 09:18:22 <ODM> well since yesterday;P 09:18:28 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 09:18:28 <ODM> it only changes when time goes by 09:18:36 <G> I was going to take a look at autopilot and see whats going on but dev.openttdcoop.org is down 09:18:57 <G> ODM: I thought years ago it changed every 20 minutes w/o fail? 09:18:57 <ODM> most of the coop stuff is down 09:19:00 <ODM> we dont know what 09:19:13 <ODM> it only changes when the game itself isnt paused i think 09:19:33 <G> before it was wiki/blog down, it came up and www, dev/hg all went 09:19:34 <G> :P 09:21:48 <G> ODM: btw, re: connection issue, I had a weird one that just before the game prompted me for the password it went back to the home screen 09:22:14 <ODM> not exactly the same, but weird aswell 09:22:21 <ODM> ofcourse i have an autopassword, s i cant fill it in 09:23:43 <G> one of the advantages of memberstatus I guess 09:23:44 <G> :) 09:24:07 <ODM> well i still ened to type when it messes up:P 09:26:05 *** Keiya has quit IRC 09:29:44 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 09:29:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 09:35:00 *** Guest1087 has quit IRC 09:35:10 *** Max| has quit IRC 09:38:37 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 09:40:40 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 09:40:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 09:41:53 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop 09:45:30 *** Guest1088 has quit IRC 09:50:52 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 09:50:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 09:51:51 <ODM> so, who's here? 09:54:53 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 09:54:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 09:55:01 <ODM> tiny map 09:55:19 <planetmaker> stopping a game only because someone returns: no 09:55:33 <planetmaker> a game is played to the end. And then maybe after that this might be continued 09:55:52 <planetmaker> I'd feel very bad for players when their game gets pulled off mid-game 09:56:10 <ODM> well a tiny map isnt going to last for more than 2 days to be honest 09:56:25 <planetmaker> that's what she said ;-) 09:56:30 <ODM> 2 days? nice! 09:56:33 <planetmaker> last game was 256^2 and took considerably longer 09:56:45 <planetmaker> you have to consider planning phase for that, too 09:57:12 <planetmaker> unless you call it b2b and impose a pre-defined plan of some sort 09:57:29 <planetmaker> (which is feasible) 09:57:32 <ODM> ugh 09:59:21 <planetmaker> while a map as small as 64^2 is feasible, it's probably not fun in MP 09:59:32 <planetmaker> you could cover it with two stations and be done ;-) 09:59:45 <G> haha 09:59:55 <G> why not 128x256? 10:00:20 <ODM> i just made a map for that 10:00:25 <planetmaker> it's really very very small 10:00:37 <ODM> id vote 256x128, define main drops, and thats it 10:00:38 <planetmaker> add a few players and they'll constantly step on their toes. 10:01:37 <G> ODM: okay, how about 256x256 PAX 10:01:43 <G> heaps of town 10:03:24 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:03:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:03:50 <planetmaker> "that map" which he just suggested to create 10:07:02 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:07:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:07:14 <G> ODM: he did say we could start w/o him 10:07:26 <ODM> it doesnt help if the main driving force isnt here;0 10:07:44 <ODM> its not the simplest of palns either 10:07:54 <planetmaker> ODM, well. it does. Two options then: take charge, carry out his plan. Or take charge and appoint another plan winner as the plan creator is not there 10:07:55 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 10:08:00 <planetmaker> happend to me and my plan, too 10:08:08 <planetmaker> Bad luck, if you do plans and are not around to play 10:08:25 <ODM> i conclude: ugh:P 10:08:28 <planetmaker> either way actually 10:08:35 <^Spike^> to me it seems something to consider when making a plan..\ 10:08:40 *** Guest1092 has quit IRC 10:08:41 <ODM> spike! 10:08:42 <^Spike^> will i be there in the next 2-3 days 10:08:46 <^Spike^> cause i might win 10:08:50 <planetmaker> because someone interpreting your plan might be something completely different than you would have liked it interpreted 10:11:13 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:11:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:11:20 <^Spike^> chanserv rulez ;') 10:13:25 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:13:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:13:56 <^Spike^> i wouldn't execute this plan without the creator being here 10:14:00 <^Spike^> it's complex 10:14:25 <planetmaker> good reason to pick another plan 10:14:48 <G> would a PSG196a/196b be unprecidented? 10:15:00 <G> i.e. same map, two actual games/plans? 10:15:04 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 10:15:13 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00010D81: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00010D81.png 10:15:13 <ODM> you wouldnt want to play the same game twice in a row really 10:15:21 <ODM> but we could save it for like 202 or so 10:15:30 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 10:15:36 <^Spike^> 202? 10:15:45 <ODM> just calling a number in the near future but not too near 10:15:51 <G> !password 10:15:51 <PublicServer> G: crispy 10:15:54 <^Spike^> do we have a game for 200 already 10:16:07 *** Djarshi has quit IRC 10:16:08 <ODM> ooh should start working on that 10:16:35 <G> I'll change my vote back to ODM's plan to break the deadlock... if it'd be possible to do V's plan in the near future 10:16:49 <^Spike^> may i ask why ppl keep making plans with chaos while they know it's banned 10:17:05 <^Spike^> V will have another massive plan like that on another game 10:17:07 <^Spike^> it's V 10:17:09 <planetmaker> ^Spike^, we don't so far 10:17:21 <ODM> because some people still dispute the bannedness of chaos:P 10:17:25 <ODM> <- likes 10:17:26 <planetmaker> but *someone* needs to take care of a good idea for that :-) 10:17:29 <G> (I originally voted ODM's plan but was impressed by the look of 180 that I changed 10:17:38 <^Spike^> pm i've got my work for college :) 10:17:38 <planetmaker> Not sure... What do we want for #200? 10:17:46 <planetmaker> lies! 10:17:50 <^Spike^> something special? 10:17:54 <ODM> my first thoughtwould be a very very long map 10:18:04 <^Spike^> pm can you make a server client shell for a program that works on a Condor grid for me? 10:18:06 <^Spike^> in java please 10:18:18 <planetmaker> Well, it might be a special map, would be nice, if it is something out of the ordinary. 10:18:26 <^Spike^> within.. eh.. 2 weeks please 10:18:29 <planetmaker> Either a nicely crafted map with some love 10:18:36 <G> ODM: vote deadlock solved 10:18:45 <ODM> hmk 10:18:52 <planetmaker> and / or maybe some legacy version of OpenTTD 10:18:55 <G> and connection lost... what the? 10:18:56 <planetmaker> We used 0.4.x for #100 10:19:10 <G> is it this particular rev? 10:19:27 <ODM> i dont mind much for the legacy version 10:19:29 <planetmaker> G, connection lost should be just that: your connection 10:19:30 *** Guest1093 has quit IRC 10:19:30 <ODM> as long as the map is original 10:19:51 <G> planetmaker: I'm not having connection issues w/ anything else though 10:19:58 <^Spike^> maybe can find one of the original ttd(x) scenarios on a legacy version? 10:21:56 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:21:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:22:30 <^Spike^> then you get like the ttdx feeling with multiplayer :) 10:22:39 <planetmaker> :-) 10:22:48 <ODM> !rcon save PSG196_aftervotes 10:22:48 <PublicServer> ODM: Saving map... 10:22:48 <PublicServer> ODM: Map successfully saved to PSG196_aftervotes.sav 10:22:52 <planetmaker> Earliest version with multiplayer is like 0.3.x 10:22:53 <^Spike^> and not some randomly generated map 10:23:09 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop 10:23:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o V453000 10:27:22 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:27:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:29:57 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 10:30:13 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001731E: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001731E.png 10:34:07 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:34:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:34:49 <G> btw, what do you folks normally use as a ruler? 10:35:27 <ODM> what do you mean? 10:35:55 <G> well when a plan says ring 100 tiles from edge? 10:38:17 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:38:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:38:37 <G> bmarky: hey 10:39:10 *** Guest1099 has quit IRC 10:40:11 *** Nickman87 has quit IRC 10:42:29 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:42:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:43:14 <^Spike^> is ther already a winner then? 10:43:15 <^Spike^> ;) 10:43:36 <G> ^Spike^: I changed my vote so ODM's plan has a majority after V's 10:43:55 *** Guest1100 has quit IRC 10:44:05 <^Spike^> did a member that is not a planetmaker (just to highlight annoy ;)) declare a winner 10:44:09 <^Spike^> -et ;) 10:44:38 <ODM> ugh damn chat doesnt go from ingame to out 10:44:41 <G> ^Spike^: I think ODM was about to because he resaved the game as "AfterVote" 10:46:40 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:46:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:46:49 <planetmaker> ^Spike^, then you declare winner, I guess. 10:46:53 <ODM> he just did 10:46:57 <^Spike^> i did 10:47:04 <^Spike^> pm you know what's broken @ ap? 10:47:10 <ODM> everything:O 10:47:10 <planetmaker> no 10:47:15 <^Spike^> that sucks 10:50:41 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:50:41 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:50:47 <G> ODM: and thought a town 10:50:56 <G> ODM: put the plan top right corner maybe 10:51:00 <planetmaker> ^Spike^, and they expect that any idea is immediately picked up ;-) 10:51:11 <planetmaker> sometimes it just needs... much more than "just do it" 10:51:13 <^Spike^> hey i didn't say it should happen straight away :D 10:51:22 <^Spike^> i just said it was an idea to implement that :) 10:51:27 <planetmaker> especially also thinking through all border cases and uses 10:51:31 <^Spike^> true 10:51:41 <^Spike^> i know that it isn't like: Hey add it! and done 10:51:48 <^Spike^> i'm an IT i guy i know it can be a pain 10:51:56 <planetmaker> e.g. in principle this opens the door to go further into scenario control and goal servers 10:52:00 <G> argh darn town 10:54:04 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:54:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:55:00 *** Guest1103 has quit IRC 10:55:05 <G> for the main line what do we go about towns in the way? 10:55:16 <ODM> either tunnel or remove:P 10:55:34 *** OTTDmaster has joined #openttdcoop 10:56:26 <OTTDmaster> hello 10:56:41 <ODM> hello 10:56:52 <OTTDmaster> How are you? 10:58:10 <planetmaker> he just is. :-P 10:58:22 <OTTDmaster> Nice to see you, sir 10:58:31 *** Guest1104 has quit IRC 10:58:32 <OTTDmaster> ;) 10:58:35 <planetmaker> :-) 10:59:53 <OTTDmaster> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=50360 10:59:55 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Mac OS X build of OpenTTD 1.0.4 (at www.tt-forums.net) 11:00:09 <OTTDmaster> Does that refresh your mind sir? 11:00:14 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000061B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000061B.png 11:00:19 <planetmaker> yes it does :-) 11:00:34 <ODM> did i miss something:D 11:00:50 <planetmaker> yes :-P 11:01:32 <OTTDmaster> he helped me, awhile back, to fix a problem on Mac Compiling 11:02:20 <planetmaker> so it seems to work for you now just fine? Good :-) 11:02:44 <OTTDmaster> The guy(s) at MacPorts have narrowed it down to one thing 11:03:54 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 11:08:08 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 11:08:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 11:10:17 <OTTDmaster> my connection's been slow for a while now 11:10:54 <OTTDmaster> It failed to load the speed test site :D 11:13:46 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 11:13:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 11:15:01 <bmarky> !gap 11:15:01 <PublicServer> bmarky: !gap <trainlength> <gap>: Returns amount of tunnels/bridges needed. Formula: (<gap>+<trainlength>-2)/(<trainlength>+2) 11:15:12 <bmarky> !gap 3 3 11:15:12 <PublicServer> bmarky: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 3. 11:15:14 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000C37B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000C37B.png 11:16:46 *** Progman has quit IRC 11:16:47 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 11:19:58 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 11:19:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 11:20:41 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 11:24:08 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 11:24:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 11:25:30 *** Guest1108 has quit IRC 11:27:43 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 11:27:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 11:27:57 *** saftus has joined #openttdcoop 11:28:01 *** Keiya has quit IRC 11:30:04 <bmarky> !GAP 3 13 11:30:10 <bmarky> !gap 3 13 11:30:10 <PublicServer> bmarky: You need 3 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 13. 11:30:14 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002E862: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0002E862.png 11:30:16 <bmarky> !gap 3 9 11:30:16 <PublicServer> bmarky: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 9. 11:30:22 <bmarky> !gap 3 10 11:30:22 <PublicServer> bmarky: You need 3 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 10. 11:32:30 *** Guest1111 has quit IRC 11:33:47 <saftus> !version 11:33:47 <PublicServer> saftus: Autopilot AP+ 4.0 Beta (r95.1c478733d3e8) 11:33:55 <saftus> !help 11:33:55 <PublicServer> saftus: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 11:34:34 <saftus> !download 11:34:34 <PublicServer> saftus: !download autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x 11:34:34 <PublicServer> saftus: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r21038 11:34:43 <saftus> !download win64 11:34:43 <PublicServer> saftus: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21038/openttd-trunk-r21038-windows-win64.zip 11:37:01 <Ammler> !players 11:37:03 <PublicServer> Ammler: Client 136 is Sylf, a spectator 11:37:03 <PublicServer> Ammler: Client 177 (Orange) is HamSandwich, in company 1 (Sutston Transport) 11:37:03 <PublicServer> Ammler: Client 188 (Orange) is Spike, in company 1 (Sutston Transport) 11:37:03 <PublicServer> Ammler: Client 204 (Orange) is G, in company 1 (Sutston Transport) 11:37:03 <PublicServer> Ammler: Client 217 (Orange) is bmarky, in company 1 (Sutston Transport) 11:37:04 <PublicServer> Ammler: Client 215 (Orange) is 0DM, in company 1 (Sutston Transport) 11:37:20 <Ammler> so many active players, but so silent? 11:37:28 <ODM> chat doesnt get linked 11:37:28 <G> Ammler: AP is broken 11:37:30 <ODM> from inside to outside 11:37:45 <Ammler> ? 11:37:54 <ODM> we tipe, but you cant see it 11:38:05 <Ammler> and what caused that? 11:38:16 <ODM> no clue 11:38:23 <^Spike^> Ammler if we knew it it was solved already? :D 11:38:24 <G> rev upgrade? 11:38:26 <Ammler> I would rather guess, it is a change in openttd 11:38:33 <Ammler> don't blame ap all the time 11:38:59 <^Spike^> i didn't blame ap just said it could be ap or ottd :D 11:39:17 <Ammler> could someone please chat ingame? 11:39:18 <G> Ammler: I wasn't blaming AP, I was just implying that the link AP creates is broken 11:39:26 <G> Ammler: there 11:39:27 *** Max| has joined #openttdcoop 11:39:29 <G> "Foobar" 11:39:54 <Max|> !password 11:39:55 <PublicServer> Max|: crispy 11:41:06 <planetmaker> Ammler, most likely it's OpenTTD changes... the admin console implies that something related to the console changed ;-) 11:44:04 *** Fuco has joined #openttdcoop 11:44:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Fuco 11:45:14 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001F879: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001F879.png 11:47:40 *** OTTDmaster has joined #openttdcoop 11:47:47 <G> darn, bridges won't work there 11:48:01 <OTTDmaster> hello again guys 11:48:08 <planetmaker> welcome back 11:48:38 <OTTDmaster> The connection to hawaii doesn't appear to be too good... 11:48:46 <G> out of interest, is the feature to make councils delete unneeded roads enabled 11:48:54 <saftus> !grf 11:48:54 <PublicServer> saftus: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 8.0) 11:49:49 <OTTDmaster> You know something, Planetmaker? 11:49:56 <planetmaker> I hope 11:50:03 <planetmaker> :-P 11:50:27 <OTTDmaster> You are one of the kindest people I have ever spoken to! 11:51:16 <OTTDmaster> (and funniest!) 11:51:32 <OTTDmaster> ;P 11:52:12 <^Spike^> is he? :) 11:52:29 <^Spike^> pm what you do different to him then us ;) 11:52:30 <planetmaker> ^Spike^, don't spoil it, you've seen too much ;-) 11:53:29 <planetmaker> OTTDmaster, was there a question you wanted to ask? Or should I know something about <whatever> internet connection? 11:53:36 <planetmaker> About the latter I'll have no clue 11:53:59 <OTTDmaster> Well, my response, ^Spike^, is that I haven't spoken to you. 11:54:37 <OTTDmaster> Here's a question then. 11:54:39 <planetmaker> usually all people here are nice :-) 11:54:56 <ODM> except me 11:54:57 <OTTDmaster> How did you come to get that nice name 11:55:16 <Ammler> could someone speak again ingame 11:55:24 <planetmaker> eh? 11:55:33 <ODM> just done 11:55:41 <Ammler> thanks 11:55:47 <OTTDmaster> *switches status to 'envious of PM's chat name* 11:55:59 <planetmaker> lol 11:56:17 <OTTDmaster> ;) 11:56:24 <planetmaker> I guess I should be glad to have password-protected exclusive access to this nick then ;-) 11:59:11 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 11:59:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 11:59:14 <planetmaker> if it were now I'd choose something like ChristianMueller :-P 11:59:25 <OTTDmaster> Yes but it makes you sound like a god 11:59:32 <planetmaker> haha :-) 12:00:15 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001EF01: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001EF01.png 12:00:19 <saftus> !password 12:00:19 <PublicServer> saftus: spongy 12:00:28 <OTTDmaster> woops 12:01:16 <planetmaker> I never looked at it that way... rather mundane. It's what I indeed do for a living ;-) 12:02:22 <OTTDmaster> heh, lateral thinking always helps 12:02:57 <OTTDmaster> if anything mine is boring 12:03:15 <OTTDmaster> I can't even program ProgSigs 12:03:30 <OTTDmaster> and my attempt at a grf went seriously wrong 12:03:35 *** Guest1116 has quit IRC 12:03:54 <OTTDmaster> I can (sort of) draw 12:03:54 <planetmaker> try writing the grf in NML ;-) 12:03:55 <G> !gap 3 6 12:03:55 <PublicServer> G: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 6. 12:04:07 <planetmaker> But drawing is half the way to a grf. 12:04:20 <planetmaker> Posting the drawings in the forums will help to get people excited 12:04:26 <planetmaker> what did you draw? 12:04:28 <OTTDmaster> have a looky on WAS 12:04:34 <planetmaker> aye 12:04:45 <planetmaker> you're part of that drawing team? 12:04:54 <OTTDmaster> twwo concorde sprites and a couple of other things 12:05:01 <planetmaker> :-) 12:05:05 <OTTDmaster> I left it for two reasons 12:05:32 <OTTDmaster> My sprites 'weren't top priority' 12:05:42 *** slaca has quit IRC 12:05:44 <planetmaker> That grf is sadly not really maintained atm anymore :S 12:05:54 <ODM> !tunnels 3 12:05:54 <PublicServer> ODM: !tunnels <trainlength> <gap>: Returns amount of tunnels/bridges needed. Formula: (<gap>+<trainlength>-2)/(<trainlength>+2) 12:06:08 <ODM> !tunnels 3 6 12:06:08 <PublicServer> ODM: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 6. 12:06:10 <Ammler> the nightly is quite up2date 12:06:17 <ODM> !tunnels 3 8 12:06:18 <PublicServer> ODM: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 8. 12:06:30 <Ammler> ODM: such things don't work anymore too? 12:06:39 <ODM> oh not sure from ingame 12:06:48 <ODM> nope not ingame 12:07:02 <OTTDmaster> By that I mean they still haven't included my sprites 12:07:06 <planetmaker> OTTDmaster, "top priority" is always relative 12:07:23 *** Mitcian has quit IRC 12:07:47 <planetmaker> no one did any programming on that grf really for months. If not for over a year 12:08:01 <OTTDmaster> I joined when it was active 12:08:06 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop 12:08:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o XeryusTC 12:08:11 <Ammler> hmm, check the commit log 12:08:12 <OTTDmaster> I left it for BROS 12:08:22 <planetmaker> lol. For BROS? 12:08:27 <Ammler> :-) 12:08:44 <OTTDmaster> I made a sprite there 12:08:52 <OTTDmaster> I haven't seen it since 12:09:02 <OTTDmaster> :( 12:09:17 <planetmaker> That's the worst organized newgrf project I've ever seen. The managed to produce nothing in 5(?) years 12:09:48 <planetmaker> They need on person taking responsibility. And this person best also does the coding of the newgrf 12:12:33 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 12:12:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 12:12:42 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 12:12:42 <planetmaker> when I work on a newgrf as author I definitely have some say how it will look / what it can do :-) 12:12:43 <^Spike^> andchat.... 12:13:17 <OTTDmaster> BROS has it all down 'on paper' 12:13:33 <planetmaker> IMHO setting a general direction and some aims is good and needed. But plotting down individual liveries etc... and when and which to allow under what condition. omfg! 12:13:37 <^Spike^> XeryusTC haven't tried androidirc? 12:13:55 <^Spike^> oh it was androidirc :) 12:14:03 <planetmaker> OTTDmaster, exactly. They need someone who actually starts the paper -> newgrf conversion 12:14:11 <XeryusTC> Brow needs to stop being management only and get some 'employees' 12:14:20 <planetmaker> yes 12:14:32 <XeryusTC> Bros too 12:14:50 <OTTDmaster> the best i've seen a peice op paper is flap about uselessly in the air 12:14:56 <OTTDmaster> in the air 12:15:13 <XeryusTC> They have been fighting over the forum for the past 2 years 12:15:15 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00021191: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00021191.png 12:15:16 <OTTDmaster> they aren't even on earth 12:16:22 <OTTDmaster> at least I got somewhere on something 12:16:26 <XeryusTC> Now, let's see if I can get some WiFi :D 12:16:54 <^Spike^> ... :) 12:17:00 *** Guest1119 has quit IRC 12:17:23 <OTTDmaster> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=49956&p=910246&hilit=departure+boards#p910246 12:17:24 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [Patch] Departure boards, 24h clock + binary (at www.tt-forums.net) 12:17:27 <^Spike^> atm playing around with a different launcher myself XeryusTC 12:17:36 <ODM> XeryusTC! 12:17:38 <^Spike^> see if i dare to lose the htc sense interface :) 12:18:01 <planetmaker> OTTDmaster, but you shouldn't be deterred by that 12:18:46 <OTTDmaster> It was implemented into the patch 12:19:03 *** XeryusTC2 has joined #openttdcoop 12:19:19 <OTTDmaster> at least I can use terminal(ish) 12:19:29 <planetmaker> hm? 12:19:52 <OTTDmaster> I have to follow the tutorial to the letter 12:19:52 <XeryusTC2> WiFi isn't that useful :o they prolly blocked some ports 12:19:59 <^Spike^> :) 12:20:07 <ODM> XeryusTC, when are you here?:D 12:20:10 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 12:20:10 <^Spike^> reason i SSH to my home server and tunnel the stuff i need :D 12:20:13 <ODM> there's a 4-way with your name on it:P 12:20:22 *** XeryusTC is now known as Guest1122 12:20:22 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 12:20:32 <OTTDmaster> becausse I'm scared of breaking the HD 12:23:03 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 12:23:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 12:23:27 <XeryusTC> So your plan got picked instead? 12:23:44 <OTTDmaster> *switches status to "scared of breaking the HD, but knows that dad'll fix it" 12:24:00 <ODM> G voted for me, so we had an alternate plan 12:24:04 <ODM> you werent responding:( 12:24:28 *** Guest1122 has quit IRC 12:24:29 <OTTDmaster> using terminal 12:24:56 <OTTDmaster> I can, an have used sudo to install things 12:25:08 <planetmaker> for openttd you don't need sudo 12:25:22 <OTTDmaster> to compile it on mac you do! 12:25:24 <XeryusTC> So you and V tied? 12:25:28 <planetmaker> OTTDmaster, no. 12:25:36 <planetmaker> I never do 12:25:41 <ODM> no, we skipped v's plan, since he wouldnt be here at all 12:25:55 <planetmaker> what for do you need sudo there? 12:26:06 <planetmaker> ./configure && make 12:26:11 <planetmaker> works completely without 12:26:20 <planetmaker> and is meant to 12:26:29 <OTTDmaster> *cough* *cough* http://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_Mac#Installing_libraries_with_MacPorts 12:26:39 <planetmaker> well. You do that once 12:26:44 <XeryusTC> So yours and duck's would've been the only ones :p 12:26:53 <planetmaker> Once they're installed that's it 12:26:55 <ODM> well we didnt know youd not be here:P 12:27:11 <OTTDmaster> *cough* *cough* Before installing any libraries, make sure you have access to the latest ports by updating the local repository: sudo port selfupdate 12:27:21 <XeryusTC> True :p 12:27:29 <OTTDmaster> *sudo* port selfupdate 12:27:34 <ODM> hope you can live with the solution 12:27:42 <ODM> its not a brilliant one... 12:27:54 *** ^Spike^ sets mode: +o XeryusTC 12:28:05 <planetmaker> OTTDmaster, yes. That's part of the libraries installation 12:28:11 <planetmaker> but it's nothing you need every day 12:28:20 <OTTDmaster> ok 12:28:21 *** Guest1125 has quit IRC 12:28:23 <planetmaker> you install the libraries once and you're set for months to come 12:28:28 <XeryusTC> As long as it's not snrw 12:28:38 <ODM> haha:P 12:28:44 <OTTDmaster> ...until a new library comes out 12:28:46 <XeryusTC> Srnw* 12:28:50 <planetmaker> you might need to add liblzma meanwhile ;-) 12:28:56 <ODM> but could use some member power to build a 4-way^^ 12:28:59 <planetmaker> yes. But so what? 12:28:59 <ODM> im doing 1 right now 12:29:03 <ODM> nice challenge:D 12:29:06 <OTTDmaster> anyway - how the heck do you get liblzo2 12:29:32 <planetmaker> OTTDmaster, you can - in principle - install it all in your own home directory. But it makes things more difficult then 12:29:33 <XeryusTC> Got to clear my duct after this 12:29:48 <OTTDmaster> I tried getting fink to do it 12:29:50 <ODM> your duck! 12:30:12 <planetmaker> I never tried fink really 12:30:15 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002825F: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0002825F.png 12:30:21 <planetmaker> or once. And it "didn't work" 12:30:36 <planetmaker> but I put no effort to investigate there either 12:31:07 <planetmaker> lzo2... sudo port install liblzo2 ? :-) 12:31:08 <XeryusTC> Dict* 12:31:10 <planetmaker> or something 12:31:20 <planetmaker> port search lzo2 12:31:23 <planetmaker> will tell you which 12:31:45 <ODM> right guys, i will beon a break 12:31:49 <ODM> ill be back in about an hour or so 12:31:53 <ODM> dont make a mess^^ 12:31:58 <XeryusTC> Bloody spell correction comes in sometimes when you try to add words :o 12:32:32 <OTTDmaster> Ralph-Brades-Computer:~ ralphbrades$ sudo port install liblzo2 Error: Port liblzo2 not found To report a bug, see <http://guide.macports.org/#project.tickets> 12:32:33 <Webster> Title: MacPorts Guide (at guide.macports.org) 12:32:48 *** vincevalk has joined #openttdcoop 12:32:51 <vincevalk> !password 12:32:51 <PublicServer> vincevalk: burros 12:33:42 <OTTDmaster> it's just lz02 12:33:49 <OTTDmaster> lzo2 12:34:05 <XeryusTC> vincevalk: stay in irc this time... 12:34:24 <OTTDmaster> think someone needs to update the wiki to show that 12:34:33 <planetmaker> it's a wiki, you know... 12:34:47 <ODM> ;) 12:35:36 <planetmaker> *I* know how to get it done. Mostly. Thus I might miss parts when trying to remember what exactly I did when installing things the first time 12:35:48 <planetmaker> which is... like a year ago 12:36:01 <planetmaker> (the last time I did a clean install) 12:37:06 <XeryusTC> First train transfer of the day :o 12:37:10 *** Thraxian|Work has joined #openttdcoop 12:37:10 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Thraxian|Work 12:37:26 *** lugo has joined #openttdcoop 12:40:23 *** Leg3nd^ has quit IRC 12:40:59 <OTTDmaster> done! 12:41:21 <OTTDmaster> *cheers for XeryusTC* 12:43:00 <OTTDmaster> guys? 12:43:35 <OTTDmaster> installation will probably take a while 12:45:40 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 12:45:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 12:45:40 <bmarky> could someone check out /bmarky? brb 12:45:54 <XeryusTC> I was in a koploper, now I'm in a double Decker :o 12:46:07 <OTTDmaster> wierd 12:47:00 <planetmaker> <OTTDmaster> Well, Planetmaker, you are one of the coding gurus! <-- I wish, I were 12:47:02 <XeryusTC> And they have taken the roofs down on the platforms of this station :o 12:49:09 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 12:49:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 12:52:40 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 12:52:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 12:53:55 <planetmaker> he seems to think I'm doing magic there. Which I'm clearly not doing... 12:54:01 *** Guest1128 has quit IRC 12:54:18 <planetmaker> I'd calling it "poking in murky ponts and trying to figure out where there's a stone I might step on" 12:59:44 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 12:59:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 13:00:16 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002AA63: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0002AA63.png 13:00:51 <G> Pre signals on double bridge sections right? 13:01:28 <planetmaker> some would say yes, some no. I prefer no 13:01:41 <planetmaker> actually with pre-signals the gap is two longer. Mind that 13:02:04 <G> so in other wise, don't do it? 13:04:41 *** Guest1131 has quit IRC 13:04:41 <planetmaker> I'd use on a ML bridge just normal signals 13:04:41 <G> thanks! 13:04:41 <XeryusTC> Pre signals are more rail safe than normale signals though 13:04:41 <planetmaker> V453000, will argue that you need to use pre-signal ^ 13:04:41 <planetmaker> as obviously XeryusTC ;-) 13:04:41 <XeryusTC> See the blog article I wrote about it a few weeks ago 13:04:41 <planetmaker> yes, but they extend the signal gap. That then has to be taken care of 13:04:42 <hylje> presignals are only necessary when the incoming train can encounter only red signals after the split 13:04:42 <planetmaker> and which makes them bothersome 13:04:42 <planetmaker> and on a ML they only are necessary when you plan for jams 13:04:42 *** Chillosophy has joined #openttdcoop 13:04:42 <planetmaker> solving jams is slightly better when using pre-signals 13:04:42 <hylje> if that condition is somehow removed, presignals are superfluous and lower capacity 13:04:47 <planetmaker> just use a single path signal ;-) 13:05:23 <planetmaker> and then this discussion would be void ;-) 13:05:48 <XeryusTC> But path signals are bad practice 13:06:03 <hylje> path signals are lazy and cause extra load on everyone's computer 13:06:15 <planetmaker> I don't say to use them everywhere. 13:06:23 <planetmaker> But using them on a split is fine 13:07:02 <planetmaker> though indeed it's usually better to avoid 13:07:31 <planetmaker> G, ^ you see. Ask three people. Get four answers :-P 13:07:42 <G> haha yeah 13:07:55 <XeryusTC> They should be avoided at all costs! Stupid signals 13:08:48 <planetmaker> I can't subscribe to that statement 13:09:13 <hylje> if we could solve the processing load problem i'd say path signals should be used exclusively 13:09:39 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 13:10:26 <G> btw topic needs updating, STAGE: Building 13:10:36 <planetmaker> @stabe Building 13:10:43 <planetmaker> @stage Building 13:10:43 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #196 (r21038) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Proper English Only!" 13:10:48 <planetmaker> proper spelling helps 13:11:55 <XeryusTC> Wewt, second and final transfer on progress :D 13:13:09 <Sylf> oh sweet, building stage 13:13:17 <Sylf> T_T but I'm off to work now 13:15:16 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001D665: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001D665.png 13:19:09 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 13:19:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 13:25:10 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 13:25:10 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 13:25:53 *** vincevalk has quit IRC 13:29:58 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 13:30:16 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0002843E: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0002843E.png 13:31:21 <G> how do I work out a BBH number? 13:31:36 <hylje> look at the plan first 13:31:44 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop 13:31:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o XeryusTC 13:31:48 <hylje> if the plan isn't specific, take the largest BBH number so far and increment by one 13:32:02 <G> hmmmm 13:32:16 <G> okay 13:32:29 <G> Maybe I should assign a BBH number to the pending BBH's first 13:32:35 <G> since they are more important 13:33:09 <bmarky> what does it mean WIP? 13:33:15 <G> work in progress 13:33:34 <ODM> i am back! 13:33:44 <G> ODM: wb 13:33:55 <G> ODM: maybe you can answer my question about hub numbers for this plan 13:34:05 <XeryusTC> Run for your lives! 13:34:13 <ODM> i am running for my life! 13:34:31 <ODM> what is the question? 13:35:14 <G> ODM: well are the 5 main junctions considered BBHs for numbering? 13:35:27 <ODM> yes 13:35:37 <ODM> and 2 MSH's 13:36:01 <G> MSH as in Oil & Wood? 13:36:06 <ODM> yes 13:36:10 <ODM> you guys have been busy:P 13:42:44 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 13:42:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster