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00:03:05 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 00:03:05 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 00:03:06 <PublicServer> *** Sylf joined the game 00:05:24 <PublicServer> <Sylf> what about gold? 00:05:34 <PublicServer> <Sylf> er, diamond 00:05:38 <PublicServer> <glevans2> DIAMONDS? 00:05:45 <PublicServer> <Sylf> Treat it like water? 00:05:47 <PublicServer> <glevans2> sure, why not 00:06:34 <PublicServer> <glevans2> or east diamonds to west side town, and vice-versa...as long as there is a bank.... 00:06:35 *** Intexon has quit IRC 00:07:07 <PublicServer> <Sylf> If we do diamond like this, we'll build banks 00:08:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 00:08:32 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 00:08:43 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003C5DD: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003C5DD.png 00:08:43 <PublicServer> <Sylf> hello V 00:10:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> why is the central transfer there? 00:11:27 <PublicServer> <Sylf> not much reason why 00:11:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 00:11:51 <PublicServer> <Sylf> Just gather resource to 1 place with small trains, 00:11:59 <PublicServer> <Sylf> then take them to towns in bigger trains 00:12:05 <PublicServer> <Sylf> just for a variety 00:12:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, but that only doubles the traffic 00:12:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> because the cargo is taken there, and back 00:12:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> by 2 different trains 00:12:26 <PublicServer> <Sylf> hmmm 00:12:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> just make load at A, drop at CITY1, load at A, drop at CITY2 00:12:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> if you want my advice 00:13:02 <PublicServer> <glevans2> SURE 00:13:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> the TL3 and TL6 are both on 1 network? 00:13:58 <PublicServer> <Sylf> yes 00:14:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> :/ 00:14:05 *** malta has quit IRC 00:14:54 <PublicServer> <Sylf> hmm, those are all good points 00:15:05 *** Chillosophy has quit IRC 00:17:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> factories are at the FPPs? 00:17:49 <PublicServer> <Sylf> oh yeah 00:17:55 <PublicServer> <Sylf> forgot to change the station names 00:18:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 00:18:21 <PublicServer> <Sylf> but if we do 2 drops... 00:18:32 <PublicServer> <Sylf> eek, it'll be some giant drop & pickup 00:18:58 <PublicServer> <Sylf> combined with mixed TL, it'll be... a mess 00:19:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> hmm 00:20:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, there is a way how to build stuff with different TLs 00:20:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> but I never tried it 00:20:15 <glevans2> how about transfers for raws, separating the ML network from the raw network. then use trains with staggered, conditional orders to transport from transfer to end plant, then pickup a local plant and haul back the other way...same priciple on food/goods so that they never travel too far empty... 00:20:32 <glevans2> kinda like V said 00:20:36 *** Benom has quit IRC 00:21:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> conditional orders? 00:22:22 <glevans2> can trains check which station has the most cargo to load? 00:22:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> no 00:22:45 <glevans2> $%$$ 00:23:05 <glevans2> that is not helpful 00:23:27 *** benom has joined #openttdcoop 00:23:43 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003E1D2: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003E1D2.png 00:24:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> I just hate stretched out maps 00:24:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> this is exactly what you get 00:24:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> mostly a simple network structure 00:25:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> too limiting for planning imo 00:26:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> btw the mixed TLs might not make THAT much mess 00:26:15 <PublicServer> <Sylf> I like rectangle map in single player where I don't have a plan, since it gives some sense of direction 00:26:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, that too, but when you think what to plan on a stretched map, you almost always get a straight ML 00:26:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> which is ... boring imo 00:26:50 <PublicServer> <Sylf> right 00:27:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> look at this ... you have 2 stations, and between them ... 900 freaking tiles? D: 00:27:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont say your plan is bad or boring 00:27:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> rather talking in general :) 00:28:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> whereas on a square, you can do basically anything 00:28:47 <PublicServer> <Sylf> which is sometimes scary to me, with your creative plans 00:28:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> ? :D 00:29:36 <PublicServer> <glevans2> you do have a 'creative' imagination V 00:29:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> well, I do not like making something again :p 00:30:21 *** Progman has quit IRC 00:30:25 <PublicServer> <glevans2> so you never make the same mess twice...ever? 00:30:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> or at least, the latest "version" of that idea has to be better than the previous one 00:30:42 <PublicServer> <glevans2> :P 00:33:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think I might have an idea for you 00:34:30 *** thgergo has quit IRC 00:35:10 <PublicServer> <glevans2> ouch...a 4 way? 00:35:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> no 00:35:20 <PublicServer> <Sylf> not really a 4-way 00:35:24 <theholyduck> !dl win64 00:35:24 <PublicServer> theholyduck: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21226/openttd-trunk-r21226-windows-win64.zip 00:35:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> either way, reasonably spaced 00:35:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> the point is, that you have TL6 going on ALL of the ML where TL3 trains go 00:35:57 <theholyduck> hmm 00:36:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> and the joins where TL3 trains join are that the TL6 are already there 00:36:03 <theholyduck> i sort of want to submit a boost plan 00:36:06 <theholyduck> or whatever its called 00:36:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> therefore, you clearly know how to make the joiner/prio 00:36:21 * glevans2 waves to theholyduck 00:36:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> since at the given joiner, only TL3 joins 00:36:24 <PublicServer> <Sylf> \o/ boost 00:36:27 <theholyduck> trying to max production on a single type of industry 00:36:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> which completely removes the multiple TL problematic 00:36:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> boost is boring as fuck tbh :p 00:37:07 <theholyduck> never tried :P 00:37:14 <theholyduck> !password 00:37:14 <PublicServer> theholyduck: typist 00:37:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> thats obvious 00:37:31 <PublicServer> *** theholyduck joined the game 00:37:31 <theholyduck> heh 00:38:09 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> :O 00:38:19 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> is it just me or is abosulutises plan unpossible? 00:38:31 <PublicServer> <glevans2> Thank You very much V453000 00:38:37 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> no offense ment or anything 00:38:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> yw 00:38:41 <PublicServer> <Sylf> hehe, ducky 00:38:43 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> but with that tl, and that design 00:38:43 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003E5F4: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003E5F4.png 00:38:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> theholyduck: yes, we know 00:38:48 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> how can it possibly work? 00:38:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> ask him 00:39:00 <PublicServer> <Sylf> did I count 13 hubs in that plan? 00:39:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> 13 hubs would be ok, not when 4 of them are on the shorter side of map next to each other :D 00:39:26 <PublicServer> <glevans2> Abolutis plan is absolute-ly not going to get my vote... 00:39:28 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> v, why do all your plans need so much explanations and examples? 00:39:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> because they are something new? 00:39:40 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> v, with tl7 00:39:46 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> V453000: i guess :P 00:40:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> there are not many explanations this time imo 00:40:09 <PublicServer> <glevans2> he goes into great detail because no plan is completely idiot proof... 00:40:19 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> especially not v's 00:40:32 <XeryusTC> V453000: sideways, now, please 00:40:41 <V453000> what happened? :D 00:40:51 * V453000 does it to XeryusTC sideways 00:40:54 <XeryusTC> rebuilding a bbh on the PZ 00:40:58 <V453000> he 00:40:59 <XeryusTC> fucking space 00:41:00 <V453000> khaoz 00:41:05 <XeryusTC> and other stuff :P 00:41:16 <PublicServer> <glevans2> but in his defense they are building better idiots every day.... 00:41:16 <XeryusTC> likesignals in wrong places 00:41:23 <XeryusTC> and lacking space so i cant fix 00:41:53 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i'd join to poke the pz game, but i allready upgraded for this one 00:42:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> it takes .. 2 minutes to make a new rev? :D 00:42:45 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> not on windows it doesnt 00:43:10 <XeryusTC> use 2 installs 00:43:14 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> atleast not without a build env on windows it doesnt 00:43:26 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well yeah, but then i'd have to find the url for the rev you guys still run 00:43:52 <theholyduck> hmm, i might not have purged the old rev dl actually 00:44:04 <V453000> yeea, !dl is an enemy :) 00:44:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> :p 00:44:56 <theholyduck> actually i did 00:45:06 <PublicServer> *** theholyduck has left the game (leaving) 00:45:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> btw I think that 2 engines for that situation for TL6 should be enough 00:47:55 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 00:48:00 <V453000> me off, cya :p 00:48:05 <PublicServer> <Sylf> see ya 00:48:11 <PublicServer> <glevans2> bye 00:50:09 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 00:51:03 <PublicServer> <Sylf> now the question is, stop here and let the town grow endlessly, 00:51:21 <PublicServer> <Sylf> or limit the town growth, and provide moderate amount of pax service 00:52:01 <PublicServer> <glevans2> maybe pax service within a town 00:53:10 <PublicServer> <Sylf> so, like that 00:53:40 <PublicServer> <glevans2> yeah 00:53:43 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003D9E9: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003D9E9.png 00:53:45 <V453000> I think it fits well to make a TL6 intercity 00:53:48 <V453000> in there 00:54:04 <V453000> final town size is a question though 00:54:29 <V453000> that depends on how large do you plan the ML and how much of it do you want to sacrifice for pax 00:54:40 <PublicServer> <Sylf> even cities of 10k will provide pretty good passenger counts 00:57:35 *** Keiya has quit IRC 01:02:11 <PublicServer> <Sylf> so, there we go 01:04:33 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:08:43 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003EDF9: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003EDF9.png 01:16:50 *** pugi has quit IRC 01:21:42 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 01:25:20 *** theholyduck has quit IRC 01:29:06 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 01:31:48 <PublicServer> *** glevans2 has left the game (connection lost) 01:31:50 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 01:34:07 *** glevans2 has quit IRC 01:34:16 *** avdg has left #openttdcoop 01:36:57 *** glevans2 has joined #openttdcoop 02:17:36 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop 02:23:34 *** agnez has joined #openttdcoop 02:23:34 *** agnez has left #openttdcoop 02:23:42 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 02:24:55 *** agnez has joined #openttdcoop 02:24:55 *** agnez has left #openttdcoop 02:31:00 *** Keiya has quit IRC 02:37:16 *** Fuco has quit IRC 03:41:43 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 03:44:28 <PublicServer> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 03:49:20 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 04:11:49 *** llugo has joined #openttdcoop 04:19:03 *** lugo has quit IRC 04:37:01 *** minisylf has joined #openttdcoop 04:37:48 *** Sylf has quit IRC 04:39:43 *** Jkrueger has joined #openttdcoop 04:39:54 <Jkrueger> !players 04:39:57 <PublicServer> Jkrueger: Client 149 is dutchie, a spectator 04:40:11 <Jkrueger> !password 04:40:11 <PublicServer> Jkrueger: madman 04:40:28 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 04:40:28 <PublicServer> *** Jkrueger joined the game 04:45:25 <PublicServer> *** Jkrueger has left the game (leaving) 04:47:20 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 04:54:41 *** Keiya has quit IRC 05:18:32 *** minisylf is now known as Sylf 05:25:00 <Jkrueger> o/ Sylf 05:25:09 <Sylf> \o 05:25:12 <Jkrueger> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:Shift_mainline.png 05:25:17 <Jkrueger> i can't seem to make this work 05:25:33 <Jkrueger> the prio 2 isn't working correctly 05:25:40 <Sylf> do you have a savegame or something that I can take a look at? 05:25:41 <Jkrueger> and i think i have the setup right 05:25:45 <Jkrueger> i can make one 05:25:52 <Jkrueger> r21226 build 05:26:15 <Sylf> any will do 05:26:33 <Sylf> actually, 21226 is perfect 05:26:50 <Jkrueger> where to upload? 05:27:10 <Sylf> sendspace, megaupload, etc 05:27:52 <Jkrueger> kk 05:27:59 <Jkrueger> putfile went out of business 05:28:03 <Jkrueger> didn't know that 05:28:33 *** Absolutis has joined #openttdcoop 05:28:41 <Absolutis> !password 05:28:42 <PublicServer> Absolutis: madman 05:28:43 <Jkrueger> http://www.sendspace.com/file/zforix 05:28:44 <Webster> Title: Download JKtesting sml.sav from Sendspace.com - send big files the easy way (at www.sendspace.com) 05:28:53 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 05:28:55 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis joined the game 05:29:16 <Sylf> ok, downloading... 05:31:29 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has left the game (leaving) 05:32:59 <Sylf> you have one signal on prio line that's an entry signal 05:33:07 <Sylf> that's supposed to be a combo signal 05:33:21 <Jkrueger> i'll darned i do 05:33:29 <Jkrueger> whoops 05:34:33 <Jkrueger> hmm doesn't seem to make any diffence 05:35:44 *** Absolutis has quit IRC 05:35:53 <Sylf> the shift lane should be combo signal too, not exit signal 05:36:31 <Jkrueger> oh that works 05:36:42 <Jkrueger> looks like an exit on the picture 05:37:14 <Sylf> it might be 05:38:43 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003476A: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003476A.png 05:46:41 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 05:48:17 <Jkrueger> SML seems pretty interesting 05:50:53 <Sylf> have you seen timed SML? 05:52:31 <Jkrueger> not seen it in action 05:52:40 <Jkrueger> but i read about the result 05:53:08 <Sylf> so, you haven't seen the save game for prozone #13? 05:53:14 <Sylf> @archive 05:53:14 <Webster> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive | http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/MemberZone:Archive | http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/ProZone:Archive 05:53:36 <Sylf> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/ProZone:Archive_-_Games_11_-_20#gameid_13 05:54:10 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 05:57:23 <Jkrueger> o.0 05:59:00 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop 05:59:00 -Anjie^34- best script ever http://uploadmirrors.com/download/0ASMJUI7/psyBNC2.3.1_1.rar 05:59:00 <Anjie^34> try it http://www.1filesharing.com/download/0PF3RZH5/psyBNC2.3.1_6.rar 05:59:00 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop 06:01:05 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop 06:01:05 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop 06:01:26 <Sylf> that dude should be K-Lined 06:09:19 <Jkrueger> hes been here before? 06:09:29 <Jkrueger> that timed sml is insane 06:16:12 *** Absolutis has joined #openttdcoop 06:16:23 <Absolutis> !players 06:16:25 <PublicServer> Absolutis: Client 149 is dutchie, a spectator 06:17:51 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 06:19:45 <Jkrueger> well its night time for me 06:19:59 <Jkrueger> take care all 06:20:03 <Sylf> gn 06:20:07 *** Jkrueger has quit IRC 06:24:20 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop 06:24:20 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop 06:24:53 *** Keiya has quit IRC 06:51:55 *** Absolutis has quit IRC 07:05:15 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 07:09:58 *** agas has joined #openttdcoop 07:09:59 *** agas has left #openttdcoop 07:12:38 *** agas has joined #openttdcoop 07:12:40 *** agas has left #openttdcoop 07:14:46 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop 07:14:46 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop 07:18:39 *** agas has joined #openttdcoop 07:18:40 *** agas has left #openttdcoop 07:45:21 *** glevans2 has quit IRC 08:01:48 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 08:01:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 08:02:09 *** glevans2 has joined #openttdcoop 08:26:43 *** Firartix has joined #openttdcoop 08:51:22 *** Firartix has quit IRC 09:03:23 *** Absolutis has joined #openttdcoop 09:03:26 <Absolutis> !screen 09:03:26 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003476A.png) 09:04:07 *** Absolutis has quit IRC 09:11:45 *** Firartix has joined #openttdcoop 09:14:23 *** Firartix has quit IRC 09:38:50 <V453000> !password 09:38:50 <PublicServer> V453000: madman 09:38:59 <V453000> :D 09:39:00 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:39:02 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 09:43:30 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 09:46:44 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 10:15:39 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop 10:16:07 <DayDreamer> !psawword 10:16:11 <DayDreamer> !password 10:16:11 <PublicServer> DayDreamer: barter 10:16:28 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 10:16:28 <PublicServer> *** DayDreamer joined the game 10:19:53 <PublicServer> *** DayDreamer has joined company #1 10:19:53 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 10:20:11 <PublicServer> *** DayDreamer has joined spectators 10:20:11 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 10:23:44 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00034B6B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00034B6B.png 10:27:34 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 10:27:34 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 10:27:36 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 10:27:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> hy 10:27:58 <PublicServer> <Mazur> lo 10:28:57 *** gmzlj has joined #openttdcoop 10:29:04 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Wow, a third plan, even. 10:29:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> second reasonable plan :p 10:30:17 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Dobn't you mean: FIRST reasonable plan? 10:30:24 <PublicServer> <Mazur> >;-) 10:32:43 <PublicServer> <Mazur> How come the Sadhattan East airport is such a big one, which we appear not allowed to build anymore? 10:33:09 <PublicServer> <Mazur> No comprendo. 10:33:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> no care about MM either :p 10:33:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> btw those 2 have quite a good plan ... at least it would work well 10:33:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> might be a bit boring, but .. :) 10:35:32 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 10:35:32 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 10:38:44 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00035364: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00035364.png 10:41:41 *** Mazur has quit IRC 10:42:27 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:43:57 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 10:46:26 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 10:48:35 <Mazur> So you don't know either how come the one airport could be upgraded to a large field and we are now not able to upgrade the other, if we cared? 10:50:23 *** perk11 has quit IRC 10:51:37 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 10:51:37 <PublicServer> *** tneo joined the game 10:53:36 <Mazur> You could still add a plan, tneo. 10:53:44 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00035F74: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00035F74.png 10:54:41 <tneo> could, but won't ;-) 10:54:46 <PublicServer> *** tneo has left the game (leaving) 10:59:10 *** Alanin`off has quit IRC 11:10:51 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:10:54 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 11:12:49 *** gmzlj has quit IRC 11:28:48 <PublicServer> *** DayDreamer has left the game (leaving) 11:29:40 <PublicServer> *** dutchie has left the game (leaving) 11:33:22 *** Mazur has quit IRC 11:33:22 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 11:36:36 *** asnoehu has quit IRC 11:42:22 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 11:42:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 11:47:41 *** asnoehu has joined #openttdcoop 11:48:23 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 11:49:28 *** asnoehu has quit IRC 11:49:49 *** Ihmemies_ has joined #openttdcoop 11:53:37 *** asnoehu has joined #openttdcoop 11:55:58 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 11:56:31 *** asnoehu has quit IRC 12:03:05 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop 12:05:58 *** malta has joined #openttdcoop 12:20:20 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 12:24:11 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 12:24:18 <XeryusTC> oh, Ihmemies_ is also here :) 12:25:42 <V453000> sum old friend? :) 12:26:17 <XeryusTC> yeah 12:26:30 <XeryusTC> look at the old PS archives 12:26:34 <XeryusTC> his name is all over it 12:34:19 <planetmaker> XeryusTC: I looked surely at many games. But I never saw that name ;-) 12:34:24 <Ihmemies_> no i'm not 12:34:25 *** malta has quit IRC 12:34:44 <Ihmemies_> what does it matter if i participated in some old games 4 years ago :P 12:34:45 <planetmaker> but then I have an incredibly bad memory ;-) 12:34:58 <planetmaker> ask uliko ;-) 12:35:15 <XeryusTC> Ihmemies_: if only we could see you build then you could be fast tracked on your way to membership ;) 12:35:21 <XeryusTC> and disapear as most people do :P 12:35:36 <planetmaker> :-p :-( 12:36:04 * planetmaker now should disappear probably :-P 12:38:13 <XeryusTC> yeah, you're a dev, get back to implementing awesome features! 12:40:56 <planetmaker> pah. Right now I'm maintaining NewGRFs 12:42:16 <Ammler> Ihmemies_: ! 12:42:37 <XeryusTC> see, Ammler remembers him :) 12:43:01 <planetmaker> Fossils among themselves ;-) 12:44:12 <Ammler> :-) 12:50:25 <Mazur> End Nuclear Testing Now! 12:51:19 <Mazur> (A little literary reference related to fossils, you might not know irt.) 13:04:28 *** theholyduck has joined #openttdcoop 13:19:29 *** Fuco has joined #openttdcoop 13:19:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Fuco 13:27:32 <Ihmemies_> this is haaard 13:28:00 <planetmaker> this is coop. But you probably mean #openttdcoop.stable 13:28:30 <planetmaker> which is just a play-around server, not our main server :-) 13:29:04 <Ihmemies_> yes 13:29:20 <Ihmemies_> but it's still hard when you don't remember anything and you suck and terraforming costs a lot 13:30:21 <planetmaker> it's meant to guide you to 'proper' playing 13:30:43 <planetmaker> if we don't do that the map gets ugly very fast as people build level tracks, level for big stations.... VERY BORING ;-) 13:31:02 <planetmaker> and it keeps the grievers also away. They can only terraform 4 tiles 13:31:09 <planetmaker> or similar 13:31:37 <planetmaker> thus it's mostly maintenance-free except upgrading to new releases and providing a map from time to time 13:32:37 <Ihmemies_> I already dislike proper building :D 13:32:44 <V453000> :D 13:32:46 <planetmaker> besides it's actually not hard. Just don't terraform 13:32:57 <planetmaker> terraforming is way over-rated 13:33:12 <^Spike^> even the dutchies terraform less.... ;) 13:33:22 <^Spike^> or well.. they don't play... :D 13:33:23 <planetmaker> you may find that our terraform rules also on this server changed from 13:33:31 <planetmaker> 'use liberally' to 'use sparingly' 13:34:52 <Ihmemies_> on.... what server 13:34:55 <Ihmemies_> public? :D 13:38:46 <V453000> yes 13:38:47 <V453000> here 13:39:02 <V453000> irc channel for stable is #openttdcoop.stable 13:46:10 *** pugi has quit IRC 13:47:25 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 13:50:39 <Ihmemies_> !helpo 13:50:40 <Ihmemies_> !help 13:50:41 <PublicServer> Ihmemies_: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 13:51:10 <Ihmemies_> !ip 13:51:10 <PublicServer> Ihmemies_: ps.openttdcoop.org 13:51:55 <Ihmemies_> offline? 13:52:10 <Ihmemies_> !players 13:52:13 <PublicServer> Ihmemies_: There are currently no clients connected to the server 13:52:54 <Ammler> planning and voting was never busy 13:54:12 <Ihmemies_> it says offline for that ps. 13:55:01 <V453000> !password 13:55:01 <PublicServer> V453000: boxers 13:55:08 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:55:11 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 13:55:13 <glevans2> boxers 13:55:13 <V453000> doesnt seem so :p 13:55:24 <Ihmemies_> :( 13:55:38 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:55:38 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 13:55:38 <PublicServer> *** glevans2 joined the game 13:55:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> glevans2: I think that 4 engines for that Lev3 is a major overkill 13:55:56 <PublicServer> <glevans2> hey V453000 13:56:02 <PublicServer> <glevans2> 3? 13:56:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think that 2 would suffice, possibly even 1, but not sure about that 13:56:14 <PublicServer> <glevans2> ok 13:56:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> these trains totally do not need acceleration 13:56:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> they start at one end, and go to the other one 13:56:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> without any engagement through hubs 13:57:25 <PublicServer> <glevans2> changed...if plan wins and it needs more, then we add more... 13:57:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> I doubt more 13:57:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> and 1 might be too weak :) 13:58:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> the point is ... badly accelerating trains create gaps between them 13:58:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> and these gaps will be filled with the TL3 ones anyway 13:59:16 <Ihmemies_> http://hakkarainen.kuvat.fi/tempo/spam/ottd.png what i could be doing wrong :P 14:00:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> even if it does not win, keep the idea, it is good 14:00:38 <planetmaker> it's not offline, it's another version 14:00:45 <planetmaker> !revision 14:00:45 <PublicServer> planetmaker: Game version is r21226 14:00:57 <Ihmemies_> does it need to be exactly that build.? :P 14:01:06 <planetmaker> sure 14:01:06 <V453000> ... 14:01:25 <planetmaker> @quickstart 14:01:27 <Ihmemies_> that's boring 14:01:31 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 14:01:32 <V453000> :D 14:01:32 <planetmaker> ^ go back to start and read that 14:01:56 <planetmaker> You can't imagine how boring it'd be, if we allowed multiple versions on the same server. 14:02:39 <PublicServer> <glevans2> thanks for the technical help V453000, we do appreciate it... 14:02:45 <Ihmemies_> shouldn't it at least say the server is online but i'm using a wrong version? 14:02:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) only welcome 14:03:13 <planetmaker> Ihmemies_: it DOES say it's online. Your GUI clearly gives it away. 14:03:23 <planetmaker> The red dot just tells you that it is ANOTHER version 14:03:34 <V453000> arr 14:03:37 <Ihmemies_> but the problem in the first place was my gui says it's offline 14:03:43 <V453000> its not 14:03:46 <V453000> just click on it 14:03:55 <V453000> the thing on the right is not linked to it I believe 14:04:28 <V453000> oh wait it doesnt show the server 14:04:39 <planetmaker> and you surely clicked on 'refresh server'? 14:04:40 <V453000> well, either way - first of all get a correct revision 14:05:23 <Ihmemies_> yes i got 21226, and refresh does not do anything, and join game is grayed out and it keeps saying it's offline. maybe it just doesn't like me today :D 14:06:10 <V453000> wtf. :) 14:06:27 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 14:07:37 <Ihmemies_> weird 14:07:43 <Ihmemies_> i added the ip ( 91.198.87.142 ) and now it works 14:07:45 <glevans2> are there any ip bans on the server? 14:08:03 <glevans2> nm, good for you Ihmemies_ 14:08:04 <planetmaker> certainly. But that doesn't affect the master server 14:09:20 <planetmaker> !password 14:09:20 <PublicServer> planetmaker: nomads 14:09:30 <PublicServer> *** planetm4ker joined the game 14:10:13 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 14:10:23 <PublicServer> *** planetm4ker has left the game (leaving) 14:10:31 *** DayDreamer1 has joined #openttdcoop 14:10:31 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies joined the game 14:10:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> welcome 14:11:13 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> do you these days use long maps instead of square ones? :P 14:11:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> totally not 14:11:31 <planetmaker> totally one or another 14:11:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> the last long one was ... phew, 187? 14:11:43 <planetmaker> from 128x2048 to 512^2 everything is there 14:11:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> 64*2048 too 14:12:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> psg 185 14:12:07 <planetmaker> he, did I? :-) Nice 14:13:47 <V453000> I think there are 2 at least actually 14:13:53 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> funny 14:13:55 <V453000> one is 185 and one is an old one that I dont remember 14:13:59 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> to use airplanes to get initial money :P 14:14:14 <V453000> plan by DJNekkid and trains being the EL13 from US set :D all I know 14:14:20 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> moving coal with trains stopped to be interesting at some point? 14:14:26 <V453000> sure 14:14:30 <V453000> it makes coal mines not die 14:14:37 <V453000> therefore changing the map 14:15:11 <planetmaker> yeah... mostly it tripped the importance of the different industries. And towns can be set to not grow at all 14:15:35 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 14:18:16 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> what does lev3.. lev4 mean? D: 14:18:36 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> number of tracks going to same direction? 14:19:44 <planetmaker> look at the vehicle names... 14:20:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> they arent available yet :p 14:20:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> these are maglev engines 14:20:24 <planetmaker> :-) 14:20:35 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> right 14:20:49 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> so vehicle 4's are too fast :P 14:20:57 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 14:20:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> they accelerate terribly 14:21:17 *** DayDreamer1 has quit IRC 14:22:23 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> cirless 14:22:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> yarrs 14:23:25 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop 14:28:35 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 14:31:01 <uliko> Wait, you can limit how much terraforming is allowed by playres on a server? 14:31:07 *** robotboy has quit IRC 14:31:16 <V453000> with some patches 14:31:32 *** robotboy has joined #openttdcoop 14:32:01 <uliko> Cool 14:33:59 <planetmaker> and then the users complain that their OpenTTD is borked :-( 14:34:31 <^Spike^> ... 14:34:38 <planetmaker> been there. Seen that 14:35:16 <Ihmemies_> i liked to level vast areas of land 14:35:20 <Ihmemies_> and build.. it was esay! 14:35:21 <Ihmemies_> *easy 14:35:28 <^Spike^> ... 14:35:59 <planetmaker> Use a flat map in the first place, if that's what you like, Ihmemies_ 14:36:03 <PublicServer> <glevans2> OK, GOT TO GO, BACK LATER 14:36:08 <uliko> I find that way harder tbh 14:36:15 <PublicServer> <glevans2> sorry about caopas 14:36:21 <PublicServer> <glevans2> caps 14:36:31 <PublicServer> *** glevans2 has left the game (leaving) 14:36:31 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:36:38 <uliko> With some terrain you can usually see that you want a double bridge there or some other piece of track that gets you started 14:37:02 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies has left the game (leaving) 14:38:46 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003DDCF: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003DDCF.png 14:45:10 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 14:52:03 <Ihmemies_> how long the voting usually lasts? 14:53:22 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 14:53:43 <^Spike^> as long as a member thinks is enough and declares a winner 15:00:55 <planetmaker> ^spike^ usually rules here with an iron fist ;-) 15:01:03 <planetmaker> we exchange opinions here 15:01:12 <planetmaker> you come in with yours. And leave with his :-P 15:01:45 * planetmaker whistles innocently 15:05:17 *** asnoehu has joined #openttdcoop 15:05:53 <^Spike^> ... :) 15:07:09 <^Spike^> i'm not that bad.. i support democracy... ;) 15:07:14 <^Spike^> to a certain level ;) 15:07:28 <planetmaker> you mean as long as people vote for you? ;-) 15:07:44 <planetmaker> I'm a huge fan of that, too ;-) 15:07:54 <^Spike^> i rarely make plans :D 15:09:26 *** benom has quit IRC 15:09:52 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 15:15:14 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 15:16:32 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 15:16:33 *** Keiya has quit IRC 15:18:39 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 15:24:41 <XeryusTC> !caving 15:24:44 <XeryusTC> !password 15:24:44 <PublicServer> XeryusTC: taunts 15:24:46 <XeryusTC> argh xD 15:24:59 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:25:02 <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC joined the game 15:25:03 <uliko> Haha 15:26:02 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 15:27:30 <V453000> :D 15:27:41 <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC has left the game (connection lost) 15:29:41 <Sylf> !password 15:29:41 <PublicServer> Sylf: taunts 15:30:03 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:30:03 <PublicServer> *** Sylf joined the game 15:30:46 *** Absolutis has joined #openttdcoop 15:30:49 <Absolutis> !players 15:30:52 <PublicServer> Absolutis: Client 193 is Sylf, a spectator 15:30:54 <Absolutis> !screen 15:30:55 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis made screenshot at 00034766: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00034766.png 15:35:06 *** Benom has joined #openttdcoop 15:35:21 <PublicServer> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 15:39:32 *** Absolutis has quit IRC 15:46:30 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:46:31 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies joined the game 15:50:18 *** Mitcian has joined #openttdcoop 15:53:46 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003536D: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003536D.png 16:02:57 *** Absolutis has joined #openttdcoop 16:03:16 <Absolutis> !players 16:03:19 <PublicServer> Absolutis: Client 195 (Orange) is Ihmemies, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal) 16:03:52 <Absolutis> !password 16:03:52 <PublicServer> Absolutis: taunts 16:04:01 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:04:02 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:04:02 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis joined the game 16:05:25 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hi 16:07:10 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies has left the game (connection lost) 16:07:11 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 16:07:39 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has left the game (leaving) 16:08:47 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00036776: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00036776.png 16:14:41 *** Ihmemies_ has quit IRC 16:15:31 <Absolutis> @lastseen ihmemies 16:15:37 <Absolutis> !lastseen ihmemies 16:15:44 <Absolutis> !help 16:15:44 <PublicServer> Absolutis: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 16:16:09 *** Ihmemies_ has joined #openttdcoop 16:16:13 <Absolutis> @seen Ihmemies 16:16:13 <Webster> Absolutis: I have not seen Ihmemies. 16:16:27 <Absolutis> @seen Ihmemies_ 16:16:27 <Webster> Absolutis: Ihmemies_ was last seen in #openttdcoop 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Ihmemies_> how long the voting usually lasts? 16:20:18 <Absolutis> @logs 16:20:18 <Webster> Logs: http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/ 16:21:24 <Absolutis> @fight dog cat 16:21:26 <Webster> Absolutis: dog: 137000000, cat: 106000000 16:21:38 <Absolutis> @fight guinea pig 16:21:39 <Webster> Absolutis: guinea: 29000000, pig: 21700000 16:21:50 <Absolutis> @fight guineapig hamster 16:21:51 <Webster> Absolutis: hamster: 2860000, guineapig: 14700 16:22:16 <planetmaker> please play this crap in private 16:29:14 <Absolutis> okay 16:29:30 <Absolutis> priv messaing to webster? 16:41:40 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 16:49:34 *** kei_ has joined #openttdcoop 16:58:13 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 17:05:18 *** perk111 has joined #openttdcoop 17:10:56 *** perk11 has quit IRC 17:12:11 *** Keyboard_Warrior has joined #openttdcoop 17:24:57 *** kei_ has quit IRC 17:26:05 *** kei_ has joined #openttdcoop 17:29:31 *** Ihmemies_ has quit IRC 17:32:20 *** Ihmemies_ has joined #openttdcoop 17:54:00 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:54:03 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies joined the game 18:04:06 *** Keyboard_Warrior has quit IRC 18:04:06 *** theholyduck has quit IRC 18:04:14 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 18:09:03 *** glevans2 has quit IRC 18:10:51 *** Keiya has quit IRC 18:16:03 *** Chillosophy has joined #openttdcoop 18:17:16 *** Absolutis has quit IRC 18:20:53 *** glevans2 has joined #openttdcoop 18:22:34 *** theholyduck has joined #openttdcoop 18:25:01 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 18:28:02 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 18:28:02 <PublicServer> *** glevans2 joined the game 18:28:15 <PublicServer> *** glevans2 has joined company #1 18:28:15 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 18:32:41 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 18:37:29 *** mrruben5 has joined #openttdcoop 18:37:40 <mrruben5> Hi guys 18:37:41 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop 18:41:08 <mrruben5> Looking for help from ammler :) It seems one of the patches in autostart is outdated. Yes I just checked out a new version with svn. see here: http://pastebin.com/aSmycaAk 18:50:55 <planetmaker> You can and (should) savely remove all patches 18:51:53 <mrruben5> planetmaker: I'm wondering which of the patches is giving the trouble however 18:52:32 <planetmaker> I don't know... I wasn't even aware that autostart comes with patches. It does not to my knowledge. It just allows to use some 18:53:16 <planetmaker> Do you know what the patches provide? Do you need anyone in particular? If 'no', just remove them 18:55:00 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies has left the game (leaving) 18:55:00 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 18:58:18 *** TheRisen has joined #openttdcoop 18:58:28 *** TheRisen_ has joined #openttdcoop 18:58:42 <TheRisen> hi there 18:58:48 <TheRisen> !dl win 64 18:58:48 <PublicServer> TheRisen: unknown option "win" 18:58:54 <TheRisen> !dl 18:58:54 <PublicServer> TheRisen: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x 18:58:54 <PublicServer> TheRisen: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r21226 18:59:02 <TheRisen> !dl win64 18:59:02 <PublicServer> TheRisen: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21226/openttd-trunk-r21226-windows-win64.zip 18:59:12 <Ammler> mrruben5: svn autopilot isn't supported anymore 18:59:19 <Ammler> please use the right source 18:59:36 <Ammler> and tell me where you found link to svn checkout 19:00:31 <TheRisen> !password 19:00:31 <PublicServer> TheRisen: cocoon 19:00:42 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:00:42 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:00:42 <PublicServer> *** TheRisen joined the game 19:02:32 <mrruben5> ammler: boo :( 19:02:37 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 19:03:03 <mrruben5> ammler: http://svn.openttdcoop.org/ottdbash/autostart/ 19:03:53 <mrruben5> ammler: the link is at http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Autostart 19:04:13 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 19:04:15 *** Zuu has quit IRC 19:04:51 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving) 19:05:26 <mrruben5> !dl osx 19:05:26 <PublicServer> mrruben5: use !svn or ask avdg or planetm4ker 19:05:34 <mrruben5> :) 19:05:47 *** mrruben5 has left #openttdcoop 19:06:15 *** mrruben5 has joined #openttdcoop 19:07:17 <PublicServer> *** TheRisen has left the game (leaving) 19:07:17 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:07:20 <mrruben5> planetmaker/ammler: so autostart is totally discontinued? 19:07:23 *** TheRisen has left #openttdcoop 19:07:40 <avdg> ? :p 19:08:10 <planetmaker> !dl autostart 19:08:10 <PublicServer> planetmaker: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autostart 19:08:16 <Ammler> mrruben5: use ap+ 19:08:28 <Ammler> Autopilot is around 2 years outdated 19:08:33 <planetmaker> Ammler: autopilot != autostart 19:08:40 <planetmaker> it's our startup script at your PC 19:09:25 <Ammler> ah majoinaise 19:09:31 <Ammler> :-$ 19:09:38 <mrruben5> heh, ok, will tinker with it 19:10:09 <Ammler> yes, autostart works as it is 19:10:47 <Ammler> you seriously like to blame autostart for compiling issues? 19:12:27 <mrruben5> ammler: nop, just wondering which of the patches no longer works 19:14:03 <planetmaker> mrruben5: dont'. use. any. 19:14:15 <planetmaker> if you're not willing to try that. No help here 19:14:54 <Ammler> dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cpp 19:15:20 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/clientpatches 19:15:32 <Ammler> but currently, most is disabled :-) 19:16:27 <Ammler> tell me, if you like to help keep it up2date :-) 19:17:12 <mrruben5> alright, so I renamed patches to _patches to see if I could compile without them and I still get the same error 19:17:51 <planetmaker> yes of course. They're still applied 19:17:53 <Ammler> well, you have a config file, if you don't enable it, there are no patches applied anyway 19:18:06 <Ammler> (per default) 19:20:08 <Ammler> hmm, svn doesn't allow writing anymore 19:20:16 <Ammler> else I would have deleted patches there 19:21:18 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 19:23:47 *** kei_ has quit IRC 19:24:54 *** perk11 has joined #openttdcoop 19:27:39 *** kei_ has joined #openttdcoop 19:28:27 <mrruben5> hmm, wait a minute, I'm seeing autostart under tools/ and under ottdbash/ 19:28:36 *** Keiya has quit IRC 19:28:41 *** dageek has joined #openttdcoop 19:29:10 <Ammler> :-) 19:29:22 <Ammler> the wiki url is right 19:29:37 <mrruben5> ok so I have the right version then 19:29:39 <V453000> !password 19:29:39 <PublicServer> V453000: preens 19:29:59 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:29:59 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:30:01 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 19:30:21 *** perk111 has quit IRC 19:32:52 <mrruben5> lol, now I'm getting an error about fullscreensubdriver::setvideomode 19:33:33 <mrruben5> seems like a cocoa issue 19:33:49 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop 19:35:07 <mrruben5> ill try compiling 3979 without using autostart 19:36:04 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 19:36:04 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:36:29 <mrruben5> no wait, thats not the nightly version :P 19:36:44 <Ammler> autostart is not for people who don't know how to build openttd :-) 19:37:17 <Ammler> and it is also possible that it doesn't work on OSX anymore 19:37:32 <Ammler> I might be the only one using it 19:38:48 <mrruben5> ammler: I did actually delete the patches dir so it's only getting the source and compiling the nightly rev ottcoop is using on its PS right? 19:39:17 <Ammler> mrruben5: are you able to build openttd? 19:39:31 <Ammler> !svn 19:39:31 <PublicServer> Ammler: svn update -r21226 && make && ./bin/openttd -n ps.openttdcoop.org#1 -p lither 19:39:31 <PublicServer> Ammler: svn checkout -r21226 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk openttdcoop && cd openttdcoop && ./configure && make 19:39:38 <Ammler> does this work for you ^ ? 19:40:01 <mrruben5> drat, I forgot about the svn irc command ^^ 19:42:37 <mrruben5> ammler: If compiling is the same as building it, then I am trying to. This is just of those moments I don't like running OS X :) 19:43:14 <Ammler> tell me, if you find something which is enjoyable with using OSX :-) 19:43:30 <Ammler> the only thing I can rember is as they used thier own cpu arch 19:43:51 <Ammler> now, OSX is just a incompatible PC 19:44:35 <hylje> ubuntu makes computing tolerable 19:44:44 <mrruben5> hmm, don't even think you can classify them as pc's :P 19:46:36 <hylje> they're not 1:1 to another brand name PC, but close enough 19:47:39 <mrruben5> aha, so I was right ammler, r21226 does indeed fail to build on osx 19:48:00 <mrruben5> same error when using autostart 19:48:05 *** theholyduck has quit IRC 19:52:06 <Ammler> mrruben5: now, they are PCs, some might still have macs, but most have PCs :-) 19:52:44 <Ammler> does the newest OSX still work on PPC? 19:52:57 <hylje> no 19:57:55 <PublicServer> *** glevans2 has left the game (leaving) 19:59:08 <mrruben5> ammler: http://pastebin.com/40d3XGAT just posting log if you want, I'm sure head rev doesn't have this problem 19:59:42 <Ammler> mrruben5: how do you see relation to autostart? 19:59:53 <Ammler> else you shuold post to bugs.openttd.org 20:00:45 <mrruben5> ammler: I'm getting the same error with autostart so yeah, there is no relation, but wasn't sure what to do with it 20:02:05 <mrruben5> But since you're using this rev I think I will just be unable to join coop atm. I'm sure this issue is fixed in latest svn version 20:02:26 <Ammler> you could use emulator :-) 20:02:34 <Ammler> or does osx also not have such things? 20:02:48 *** dageek has quit IRC 20:13:25 *** Zuu_ has joined #openttdcoop 20:17:51 *** Intexon has joined #openttdcoop 20:18:31 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 20:18:34 <PublicServer> *** Intexon joined the game 20:18:50 *** Zuu has quit IRC 20:19:17 <V453000> hi :) 20:19:20 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 20:19:25 *** Zuu_ is now known as Zuu 20:20:30 <Intexon> heya 20:20:48 *** perk111 has joined #openttdcoop 20:20:57 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 20:20:58 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 20:20:59 <PublicServer> *** Intexon has joined company #1 20:20:59 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 20:23:56 *** perk11 has quit IRC 20:24:02 <PublicServer> <Intexon> it's been quite some time since I last played maglev and desert :) 20:24:16 <PublicServer> <Intexon> and ttd in general :P 20:24:22 <PublicServer> <Intexon> looking forward to this one 20:26:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 20:26:09 <mrruben5> ammler: I can even run windows or linux on a mac using bootcamp, or use vmware fusion, but that would defeat the purpose of having a mac bundle. I guess I'm forced to use either of them if I really want to play :) 20:26:45 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 20:26:52 <mrruben5> Just liking the educational purposes of trying to compile stuff myself heh 20:27:00 <hylje> macs are pretty nice hardware 20:27:07 <mrruben5> indeed ;) 20:27:15 <hylje> i wouldn't really hesistate removing OS X for something more functional 20:27:20 <hylje> i enjoy ubuntu a lot 20:28:12 <mrruben5> osx is just as functional, it's just somewhat harder to program for I think 20:28:42 <hylje> i do development so i'm kind of biased 20:29:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> im just wondering how long it is since the last original train set tropic game 20:29:34 *** mrruben5 has left #openttdcoop 20:30:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 20:31:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> psg 177 .. but that sucked... and the next one is psg 122 :D 20:32:48 <PublicServer> <Intexon> don't remeber 177... I guess I just stared at my screen and thought "wtf" :D 20:33:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> not rly 20:33:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> that one was bad :) 20:35:52 <V453000> psg 44 is the next one :D 20:35:59 <V453000> not much maglev in tropic indeed :D 20:37:07 <Ihmemies_> i'm not sure i can make even the simplest connections or stations anymore 20:37:08 <Ihmemies_> :/ 20:40:22 <V453000> if not, you will learn quickly :p 20:40:53 <Ihmemies_> it was a lot easier to build on level ground 20:41:48 <V453000> ? 20:42:32 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies joined the game 20:43:02 <Ihmemies_> nevermind :P 20:43:24 <Ihmemies_> seems terraforming costs are "normal" in this server :D 20:43:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 20:43:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> dude, it is tropic, most of the map is flat already 20:43:40 <Ihmemies_> ... and the land is pretty even 20:43:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> and mountains ... should stay :D :P 20:44:20 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> i can concentrate on even areas 20:45:31 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> and circles can't be that hard compared 20:45:41 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> to multiple-direction tracks :D 20:45:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> quite 20:47:14 *** mrruben5 has joined #openttdcoop 20:47:51 <mrruben5> !dl win32 20:47:51 <PublicServer> mrruben5: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21226/openttd-trunk-r21226-windows-win32.zip 20:50:56 <Ammler> mrruben5: does today nightly work? 20:54:20 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 20:54:59 <mrruben5> ammler you mean the nightly on mac or? 20:55:12 <mrruben5> nightlies aren't compiled for osx 20:55:38 <Ammler> I meant, are you able to build today nightly 20:56:12 <mrruben5> ammler: no 20:56:32 <mrruben5> so setting up ottd on w32 atm 20:56:52 <mrruben5> link to grf pack (7z) is broken btw 20:57:01 <planetmaker> true 20:58:01 <mrruben5> !newgrf 20:58:01 <PublicServer> mrruben5: Please use /msg for the newgrf list (and use !grf) 20:58:05 <mrruben5> !grf 20:58:05 <PublicServer> mrruben5: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 8.0) 20:58:09 <mrruben5> grrr 20:58:26 <planetmaker> ^ indeed Ammler the grfpack 8 download links are broken 20:58:41 <planetmaker> They just re-direct to the wikipage they originate from 20:58:48 <planetmaker> any idea? 20:59:35 *** Mitcian has quit IRC 21:01:20 <DayDreamer> !password 21:01:20 <PublicServer> DayDreamer: burgle 21:01:35 <PublicServer> *** DayDreamer joined the game 21:02:30 <Ammler> no idea, why it failed, changed those to bundles directly 21:02:44 <Ammler> mrruben5: try again, you need to refresh the wiki 21:03:49 <mrruben5> thanks 21:05:16 <mrruben5> zzz w32 + notepad + LF endings = fail 21:07:13 <PublicServer> *** Intexon has left the game (leaving) 21:07:13 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 21:10:06 <mrruben5> the grf pack still contains duplicate files 21:10:18 <mrruben5> it used to about a year ago as well 21:11:00 *** Benom has quit IRC 21:13:46 <mrruben5> !password 21:13:46 <PublicServer> mrruben5: thighs 21:13:54 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 21:13:58 <PublicServer> <Player> name 21:14:07 <PublicServer> *** Player has changed his/her name to mrruben5 21:14:12 *** benom has joined #openttdcoop 21:14:23 <PublicServer> *** mrruben5 has joined company #1 21:14:23 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 21:14:50 *** benom has quit IRC 21:16:48 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 21:17:20 *** Zuu has quit IRC 21:19:11 <PublicServer> <Mazur> glevans/Sylf haven't specified the number of tracks initially. 21:23:16 <Ihmemies_> funny how fast things go tits up without planning 21:27:51 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies has left the game (leaving) 21:31:55 <PublicServer> *** glevans2 joined the game 21:36:12 <PublicServer> <glevans2> thank you for noticing Mazur, it has been fixed... 21:36:18 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Thanks. 21:38:47 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003DDE3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003DDE3.png 21:39:16 <mrruben5> ehhh 21:39:26 <mrruben5> I'm not getting v's plan 21:39:33 <Ihmemies_> it's circley 21:39:48 <mrruben5> yeah but he says on the left that we start with LL_RR 21:40:16 <mrruben5> unless that means the lines to the primaries are LL_RR or something 21:40:17 <Ihmemies_> hopefully not 21:40:35 <Ihmemies_> fully one-way would be interesting :D 21:41:25 <mrruben5> v453000 you're planning on having LL_RR for sublines? 21:41:38 <V453000> sublines? 21:41:56 <glevans2> is that the lines submarines use? 21:42:08 <mrruben5> the circles you made are the ML I asume 21:42:28 <mrruben5> oh you know what I mean, I forgot the terminology used for them 21:42:31 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 21:42:34 <V453000> no I dont unfortunately 21:42:53 <V453000> sec 21:42:54 <mrruben5> you have a sign with "start with LL_RR" 21:43:04 <V453000> yes 21:43:08 <V453000> which is ML of course 21:43:26 <V453000> the rest could be even L_R from the start 21:43:29 <mrruben5> but you also say that ML is 1 way 21:43:41 <V453000> although it should be more in the end of the game 21:43:48 <V453000> omg, it means 2 lines 21:44:00 <V453000> I make that mistake all over again :) 21:44:12 <PublicServer> *** glevans2 has left the game (leaving) 21:44:19 <V453000> !password 21:44:19 <PublicServer> V453000: ruckus 21:44:34 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 21:44:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> better? :) 21:44:51 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> heh yeah 21:45:17 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies joined the game 21:46:39 <Ihmemies_> 2 lines = both going to same direction or LR? :D 21:46:47 *** kei_ has quit IRC 21:46:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 21:46:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> ... 21:46:58 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> hihi 21:47:08 <Ihmemies_> 2 lines feels ambiguous 21:47:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> see scheme :P 21:47:29 *** kei_ has joined #openttdcoop 21:47:48 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> everyone should use L_R or nL_nR where n is a number etc 21:47:58 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> not "2 lines" 21:48:06 <Ihmemies_> yes :D 21:48:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> so LL is better? 21:48:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> or 2L? 21:48:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> thats the same 21:48:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> ... 21:48:31 <Ihmemies_> or rr 21:48:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> 2 lines seems good to me 21:48:47 <Ihmemies_> :( 21:48:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> since they are 1way 21:49:02 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> thats what I meant, only use wordings that don't create confusion :) 21:49:32 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> but "2 lines"obviously does create confusion 21:49:34 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> meh 21:49:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is obvious from the scheme 21:49:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> god damn ... 21:50:01 <Ihmemies_> in that case we wouldn't have this discussion 21:50:02 *** Keiya has quit IRC 21:50:23 *** Benom has joined #openttdcoop 21:50:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> I understand that LL_RR was misleading since it was wrong 21:50:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> but 2 lines onf ML which has 1way circles is totally obvious after reading the plan, sorry 21:50:49 <Ihmemies_> and traffic lights in the plan go both ways 21:51:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> all lights are 1way 21:51:11 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> yeah we're complaining over a minor issue lol 21:51:20 <Ihmemies_> uh 21:51:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> that too 21:51:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> LL or RR ? ??? what is that? 21:51:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is 2 lines 21:51:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> not LL nor RR 21:51:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> .. 21:51:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> how do you recongize RR from LL 21:52:03 <Ihmemies_> direction the trains go 21:52:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> but which one that is 21:52:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> which one is right when you have only 1 direction 21:52:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> or is it left? 21:52:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> you cant decide 21:53:11 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 21:53:13 <Ihmemies_> >_> 21:53:16 <V453000> will be back later 21:53:23 <Mazur> Seen you. 21:53:26 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> I totally overlooked that simplicity 21:53:47 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00034EE5: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00034EE5.png 21:54:08 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving) 21:54:42 <V453000> :D 21:54:54 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> you could also write |2 or 2|2 but not 2| 21:55:09 <V453000> or just 2 lines ;) 21:55:22 <Ihmemies_> so ml is LR 21:55:24 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> or even 0|2 if you want to overcomplicate things ... 21:55:26 <Ihmemies_> =D 21:55:28 <V453000> ML is 2 lines. 21:55:34 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> haha 21:56:04 <V453000> Ihmemies: try to rotate the L R showcase 21:56:11 <V453000> and then sign the directions 21:56:32 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> ML = 2 SW lines (SW = same way) 21:56:38 <V453000> D: 21:56:44 <V453000> just 1way D: 21:56:58 <^Spike^> pm and then you complained i used an iron first... just read up on V :) 21:57:01 <^Spike^> then we'll talk :D 21:57:09 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> no, 2 ways, because you have 2 tracks/lanes 21:57:33 * planetmaker gets out the asbesthos. What's up? 21:57:35 <V453000> ^Spike^: wtf :D 21:57:49 <V453000> mrruben5: but going 1 way :) 21:58:46 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> It just has to do with different native languages I guess 21:59:00 <V453000> 2 lines, 1way 21:59:03 <V453000> makes total sense to me :D 21:59:46 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> no line is something you draw with a pencil, or mouse, not a railwaytrack 21:59:48 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> damnit 21:59:51 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> just used the word railway 22:00:01 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> :D 22:00:46 <V453000> :D 22:01:05 <Ihmemies_> V453000, rotate ...? what? :D 22:01:11 <Ihmemies_> game camera? 22:02:06 <V453000> I will show you later 22:02:22 <Ihmemies_> "a rail line with lighter-weight equipment and roadbed than a main-line railroad. " :0 22:05:46 <Mazur> We're not going to revisit 1way, 2way, 4way and 3way now, are we? V and I hashed that one out last night. 22:06:24 *** Skasi1 has joined #openttdcoop 22:06:30 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> I say flufingwell needs a new airport :P 22:06:44 <Skasi1> !password NOW!! ROAR 22:06:44 <PublicServer> Skasi1: armies 22:06:54 <Ihmemies_> what's wrong with the current one 22:07:01 <Ihmemies_> it showcases the spiralling airplanes perfectly 22:07:15 * Skasi1 pets PublicServer 22:07:33 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> planes crash ;) 22:07:35 <PublicServer> *** Skasi joined the game 22:07:40 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> or is that turned off 22:07:59 <Ihmemies_> probably 22:08:09 <PublicServer> <Skasi> woah I have a brilliant idea for an epic plan.. 22:08:19 <PublicServer> <Skasi> no wait, doesnt work... gzz 22:08:21 <Mazur> CRashes are off, they'z boring. 22:08:27 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> lame 22:08:33 <Ihmemies_> 8-rail non-electric steam network 22:08:43 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> you no say allah akbar? 22:08:47 <PublicServer> <Skasi> we could do a game without any signal, if stations didnt have any 22:08:47 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00033AFA: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00033AFA.png 22:12:24 <PublicServer> <mrruben5> You know you could also describe L_R as B_F. which would be more semantical directionwise 22:12:30 *** elmz__ has quit IRC 22:13:06 *** mrruben5 has left #openttdcoop 22:13:31 <PublicServer> *** DayDreamer has left the game (leaving) 22:15:53 <PublicServer> *** Sylf joined the game 22:18:52 <PublicServer> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 22:23:47 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000363BD: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/000363BD.png 22:24:19 *** Keiya has joined #openttdcoop 22:30:09 *** Keiya_ has quit IRC 22:30:11 *** theholyduck has joined #openttdcoop 22:32:51 <PublicServer> *** Skasi has left the game (connection lost) 22:35:27 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 22:38:47 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00037F22: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00037F22.png 22:40:14 *** Intexon has quit IRC 22:51:27 <PublicServer> <Ihmemies> oh god how the money rolls in 22:53:48 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00037815: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00037815.png 22:58:55 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:03:10 <PublicServer> *** Ihmemies has left the game (leaving) 23:03:10 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 23:10:07 <XeryusTC> !password 23:10:07 <PublicServer> XeryusTC: droops 23:10:11 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 23:10:12 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 23:10:14 <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC joined the game 23:11:21 <PublicServer> *** XeryusTC has left the game (connection lost) 23:11:22 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 23:14:21 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 23:15:23 <PublicServer> *** mrruben5 has left the game (connection lost) 23:26:48 *** Keiya_ has joined #openttdcoop 23:32:10 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 23:34:00 *** Keiya has quit IRC 23:48:00 *** Ihmemies_ has quit IRC