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00:01:21 <mammoet> !password 00:01:21 <PublicServer> mammoet: tuxedo 00:01:38 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has left the game (connection lost) 00:01:55 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel joined the game 00:03:19 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has joined spectators 00:03:27 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has joined company #1 00:06:37 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has joined spectators 00:13:23 *** Firartix has quit IRC 00:18:01 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has joined company #1 00:21:08 <mammoet> !quickstart 00:21:23 <mammoet> @quickstart 00:21:24 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 00:21:55 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 00:21:58 <V453000> good night 00:22:10 <bassals> good night 00:22:36 <PublicServer> *** bassals has left the game (leaving) 00:26:29 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has left the game (leaving) 00:26:29 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 00:27:49 *** bassals has quit IRC 00:48:11 <PublicServer> *** mfb has left the game (leaving) 00:48:14 <mfb-> !date 00:48:14 <PublicServer> mfb-: 2 Aug 1956 00:50:34 *** valhalla2w has quit IRC 00:53:33 *** mfb- has quit IRC 01:20:06 *** Phoenix_the_II has quit IRC 01:28:31 *** pugi has quit IRC 01:29:19 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 02:02:46 *** pugi has quit IRC 03:18:28 <Rhamphoryncus> !password 03:18:28 <PublicServer> Rhamphoryncus: spooks 03:18:37 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 03:18:40 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus joined the game 03:39:32 *** ElTimuel has quit IRC 03:39:59 *** mammoet has quit IRC 04:17:23 *** Nickman87 has quit IRC 04:21:37 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus has left the game (leaving) 04:56:48 *** Lapland has joined #openttdcoop 04:57:15 <Lapland> This isn't the server I meant to connect to! 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09:38:37 <Ammler> !date 09:38:37 <PublicServer> Ammler: 28 Nov 1956 09:39:01 <PublicServer> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely 09:39:01 <PublicServer> Thank you for playing r23902. 09:39:06 <PublicServer> Server has exited 09:39:07 *** PublicServer has quit IRC 09:39:18 *** PublicServer has joined #openttdcoop 09:39:18 <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged 09:39:18 <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 09:39:18 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG227 (r23972) | STAGE: Planning | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/IRC_Commands" 09:39:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer 09:39:37 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00017312: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00017312.png 09:39:40 <Ammler> !date 09:39:40 <PublicServer> Ammler: 8 Dec 1956 09:40:08 <Absolutis> !dl win32 09:40:08 <PublicServer> Absolutis: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r23972/openttd-trunk-r23972-windows-win32.zip 09:40:51 <V453000> !dl win64 09:40:51 <PublicServer> V453000: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r23972/openttd-trunk-r23972-windows-win64.zip 09:41:25 <Absolutis> does !password at this time break the serv? 09:41:44 <Ammler> it never does anymore 09:41:45 <V453000> only before screenshot is made 09:41:48 <V453000> oh :) 09:41:51 <Ammler> ah 09:41:53 <Ammler> yes 09:42:02 <Ammler> I meant !changepw :-) 09:42:15 <V453000> :) 09:42:17 <V453000> !password 09:42:17 <PublicServer> V453000: fevers 09:42:25 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:42:28 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 09:42:56 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:42:57 <PublicServer> *** bassals joined the game 09:43:12 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:43:12 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 09:43:15 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis joined the game 09:44:43 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hmm 09:44:54 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> it's great they finally implemented speed limits 09:44:57 *** LoPo has joined #openttdcoop 09:45:10 <Webster> 1 new tweet(s): openttdcoop New post: Titlegame competition - now voting! http://t.co/23aoBJoG, 1 minute ago via #openttdcoop Blog. (171892728991457280) 09:45:12 <Ammler> but the wrong way imo 09:45:28 <bassals> why? 09:45:42 <Ammler> spped limit applied to a vehicle? 09:45:49 <Ammler> how silly is that? 09:46:19 <ODM> it should be railbased id say 09:46:28 <V453000> it can be railbased with newgrfs 09:46:33 <Ammler> yes, or signal path/block based 09:46:53 <bassals> but it is still usseful 09:47:55 <Ammler> of course :-) 09:51:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> well for example nutracks are ugly as no other rail set 09:51:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> so it kind of has downsides I would say :) 09:55:56 <Webster> Latest update from blog: Titlegame competition – now voting! <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/02/21/titlegame-competition-now-voting/> 09:56:09 *** Sylf has joined #openttdcoop 09:56:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sylf 10:03:48 <LoPo> hello :) 10:04:52 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop 10:05:14 <Maraxus> !password 10:05:14 <PublicServer> Maraxus: dredge 10:05:26 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus joined the game 10:09:22 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus has joined company #1 10:09:24 *** theholyduck has joined #openttdcoop 10:30:34 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 10:33:42 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop 10:42:50 <theholyduck> !password 10:42:50 <PublicServer> theholyduck: swords 10:43:35 <theholyduck> !dl win64 10:43:35 <PublicServer> theholyduck: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r23972/openttd-trunk-r23972-windows-win64.zip 10:45:34 <PublicServer> *** theholyduck joined the game 10:46:35 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> v.. you and your awesome plans 10:48:54 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 10:49:24 <Tray> Is there any way to put two thumbnails next to each other on wiki? 10:49:28 <PublicServer> *** theholyduck has left the game (leaving) 10:56:35 <bassals> like with <gallery>? 10:59:34 <Tray> Well don't need it for now, because the PSG 226 isn't in archive 11:02:48 <Tray> Hail. First wiki page on ottcwiki from me. (: 11:05:24 <bassals> I guess http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Road_stations is outdated 11:07:14 <Tray> I planed to replace that with my version 11:13:30 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> @@logs 11:13:31 <Webster> #openttdcoop IRC webstuff - IRC Log Viewer - http://webster.openttdcoop.org/ 11:13:46 <Absolutis> @logs 11:14:09 <Tray> !dl debian 11:14:09 <PublicServer> Tray: unknown option "debian" 11:14:13 <Tray> !dl linux 11:14:13 <PublicServer> Tray: unknown option "linux" 11:14:15 <Tray> !dl linux32 11:14:15 <PublicServer> Tray: unknown option "linux32" 11:14:18 <Tray> !dl lin32 11:14:18 <PublicServer> Tray: unknown option "lin32" 11:14:20 <Tray> !dl 11:14:20 <PublicServer> Tray: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x 11:14:20 <PublicServer> Tray: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r23972 11:14:26 <Tray> !dl lin 11:14:26 <PublicServer> Tray: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r23972/openttd-trunk-r23972-linux-generic-i686.tar.xz 11:14:29 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 11:14:45 <bassals> hahaahhaaha 11:14:58 <Tray> hrm 11:15:34 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined spectators 11:15:34 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 11:16:03 <Tray> !ip 11:16:03 <PublicServer> Tray: ps.openttdcoop.org 11:16:53 <Tray> hrm 11:17:06 <Tray> Can't find every grf ): 11:20:27 <V453000> really? 11:21:48 <Tray> Not through this ottd interface 11:22:41 <Tray> What's the default installing path for debian? I'm trying to add the grfpackage from the wiki but can't find it. 11:23:18 <bassals> ~/.openttd I guess 11:23:57 <Tray> thanks a lot. 11:25:38 <Tray> !password 11:25:38 <PublicServer> Tray: arable 11:25:51 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:25:51 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 11:25:56 <PublicServer> <Player> yay 11:25:56 <PublicServer> *** Player has joined spectators 11:25:56 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 11:26:00 <PublicServer> <Player> ... 11:26:06 <PublicServer> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 11:26:20 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:26:20 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 11:26:20 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 11:29:41 <V453000> !password 11:29:41 <PublicServer> V453000: arable 11:29:53 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 11:29:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 11:30:05 *** `real has quit IRC 11:30:06 *** `real has joined #openttdcoop 11:31:11 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined company #1 11:39:41 *** `real has quit IRC 11:43:09 *** real` has joined #openttdcoop 11:58:02 <theholyduck> !password 11:58:02 <PublicServer> theholyduck: faiths 11:58:13 <PublicServer> *** theholyduck joined the game 11:58:24 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> whats the point of the reversed engine pool actually? 11:58:30 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> eyecandy? 11:58:33 <PublicServer> <Tray> candy 11:58:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> more or less 12:00:49 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> didnt know you could do that with timetables though 12:01:19 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> you couldn't before 12:01:27 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> new feature eh 12:01:33 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> yup 12:01:41 <PublicServer> <Tray> I always liked to have powerfull slow trains for short CL now there#s that feature (: 12:02:27 <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so fast max speed reaching trains with tiny corners, it does sound like fun 12:26:20 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined spectators 12:36:43 *** Progman has quit IRC 12:39:01 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 12:42:25 <Ivan_M> !password 12:42:25 <PublicServer> Ivan_M: steeps 12:42:44 <PublicServer> *** Player has joined spectators 12:43:08 <PublicServer> *** Player has changed his/her name to Ivan_M 12:52:16 <PublicServer> *** Ivan_M has left the game (leaving) 12:55:53 *** robotboy has joined #openttdcoop 13:01:18 *** roboboy has quit IRC 13:18:33 *** robotboy has quit IRC 13:34:35 <V453000> @stage planning + voting 13:34:35 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG227 (r23972) | STAGE: planning + voting | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/IRC_Commands" 13:46:05 <PublicServer> *** theholyduck has left the game (leaving) 13:52:23 <PublicServer> *** bassals has joined company #1 14:01:32 <LoPo> wut! new game? 14:01:39 <LoPo> i still need to make a plan :S 14:13:37 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined company #1 14:16:30 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 14:45:33 *** Timuel has joined #openttdcoop 14:45:56 <Timuel> !password 14:45:56 <PublicServer> Timuel: alkali 14:47:01 <PublicServer> *** 0DM joined the game 14:48:10 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel joined the game 14:50:13 *** Ivan_M has quit IRC 14:50:43 <PublicServer> *** 0DM has left the game (leaving) 14:59:00 <PublicServer> *** bassals has left the game (leaving) 15:23:18 *** theholyduck has quit IRC 15:32:58 *** bassals has quit IRC 15:42:40 *** Firartix has quit IRC 15:50:43 *** TWerkhoven[l] has joined #openttdcoop 15:54:26 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined spectators 15:56:55 *** Joosta has joined #openttdcoop 15:57:24 *** Joosta is now known as Guest3388 16:03:53 *** Guest3388 is now known as Joosta 16:04:10 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has left the game (leaving) 16:04:45 <Joosta> !password 16:04:45 <PublicServer> Joosta: shroud 16:04:55 <PublicServer> *** Joostas joined the game 16:08:31 *** Timuel has quit IRC 16:09:08 <PublicServer> *** Joostas has left the game (leaving) 16:09:15 *** Joosta has quit IRC 16:22:45 *** Firartix has joined #openttdcoop 16:45:27 *** Firestar has joined #openttdcoop 16:46:56 <Firestar> !password 16:46:56 <PublicServer> Firestar: chokes 16:47:21 <Firestar> whats password? 16:48:21 <Firestar> !password 16:48:21 <PublicServer> Firestar: chokes 16:48:52 <PublicServer> *** Firestar joined the game 16:51:28 <PublicServer> *** {TWerkhoven[l]} joined the game 16:52:03 <PublicServer> *** Firestar has left the game (leaving) 16:52:18 *** Firestar has quit IRC 16:53:00 *** LoPo has quit IRC 16:54:00 <PublicServer> *** TWerkhoven[l] has left the game (leaving) 17:01:55 *** pugi has quit IRC 17:02:09 <Mazur> !password 17:02:09 <PublicServer> Mazur: lusted 17:02:46 <Mazur> Often, but not quite now, thank you. 17:03:27 <Mazur> !info 17:03:27 <PublicServer> Mazur: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Trunington Transport' Year Founded: 1950 Money: 13174882 Loan: 0 Value: 13238010 (T:49, R:0, P:5, S:0) unprotected 17:03:32 <Mazur> !server 17:10:45 <V453000> !password 17:10:45 <PublicServer> V453000: neuter 17:10:58 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 17:11:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 17:11:51 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 17:12:14 *** lmergen has joined #openttdcoop 17:18:34 <PublicServer> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 17:18:54 <PublicServer> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 17:19:16 <PublicServer> *** Player has joined spectators 17:19:37 *** LoPo has joined #openttdcoop 17:19:44 <LoPo> hello 17:19:47 <PublicServer> <Player> lo 17:19:48 <LoPo> !password 17:19:48 <PublicServer> LoPo: neuter 17:20:19 <PublicServer> *** Player has changed his/her name to Mazur 17:20:24 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has joined company #1 17:20:48 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving) 17:21:24 <LoPo> oh, new trunk 17:21:38 <LoPo> !password 17:21:38 <PublicServer> LoPo: neuter 17:21:52 <PublicServer> *** LoPo joined the game 17:27:05 *** Firestar has joined #openttdcoop 17:27:20 <Firestar> hi how re ya? 17:27:35 <PublicServer> <LoPo> im fine, and you 17:27:35 <PublicServer> <LoPo> ? 17:27:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> hard plan to make LoPo 17:27:59 <PublicServer> <LoPo> hard is good :) 17:28:07 <PublicServer> <LoPo> we will learn something 17:28:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> and chaos is banned, nothing changed 17:28:20 <PublicServer> <LoPo> serious? 17:28:23 <Firestar> i want some more challenge! 17:28:35 <Firestar> XD 17:28:43 <PublicServer> <LoPo> vote for me then ;) 17:28:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> pz only, you know that very well 17:28:57 <PublicServer> <LoPo> k 17:29:04 <PublicServer> <LoPo> ill remove my plan 17:29:08 <PublicServer> <LoPo> and vote for you 17:29:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> lol 17:29:14 <PublicServer> <LoPo> so we got a winner :P 17:29:16 <Firestar> LoPo: i already voted 17:29:34 <PublicServer> <LoPo> change your vote? :P 17:29:53 *** Phoenix_the_II has joined #openttdcoop 17:29:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Phoenix_the_II 17:30:04 <PublicServer> <LoPo> yeah becuase i promised mfb a chaos plan ;P 17:30:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> sure, on pz 17:30:32 <PublicServer> <LoPo> k, ill change my plan ;) 17:30:39 <Firestar> when i voted im not changing it 17:30:45 <PublicServer> <LoPo> im not giving my vote to you ! :P 17:31:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> I believe we can almost start already .. :) 17:31:07 <PublicServer> <LoPo> yeah, but then at least w8 some time for others to make a plan... 17:31:13 <PublicServer> <LoPo> yeah... 17:31:25 <Firestar> !password 17:31:25 <PublicServer> Firestar: fizzed 17:32:03 <Firestar> i finished my newest Need For Speed today 17:32:26 <PublicServer> *** Firestar joined the game 17:32:56 *** Rhamphoryncus has joined #openttdcoop 17:33:59 <PublicServer> *** LoPo has joined spectators 17:34:31 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined company #1 17:34:52 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hm, V wins? 17:34:58 <PublicServer> <Firestar> tell me if we start building 17:35:16 <PublicServer> <LoPo> but how can i even win a plan if in the first case got no time to build/purpose it 17:35:35 <PublicServer> *** Firestar has left the game (leaving) 17:35:40 <PublicServer> <LoPo> and secondly, every one is almost (everytime) voting for V anyway... 17:36:23 <PublicServer> <LoPo> its just something which grindes my mind lately 17:37:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> hm? 17:37:21 <Firestar> well in the second youre right 17:37:33 <PublicServer> <LoPo> well, you win like 99.99% of the plannings? :P 17:37:39 <PublicServer> <LoPo> so that is like? 17:37:42 <PublicServer> <LoPo> always? 17:37:44 <PublicServer> <LoPo> :p 17:38:06 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> 99.99 % is not possible unless we had 10000 games 17:38:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> so? 17:38:20 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> if you'd be precise 17:38:22 <PublicServer> <LoPo> people dont want to compete anymore 17:38:40 <PublicServer> <LoPo> because you will win anyways :P 17:38:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> no 17:38:57 <PublicServer> <LoPo> and then other peoples plans will never come to reality 17:39:00 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> so what? V makes fun plans 17:39:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> people just refuse to put effort into making something interesting 17:39:06 <PublicServer> <LoPo> which is a bad thing i think 17:39:30 <PublicServer> <LoPo> oky 17:39:38 <PublicServer> <LoPo> ill purpose a second plan right now 17:39:41 <Firestar> and when the 10000th game will be here it will be in real world like the year 2200? or 2300? 17:39:51 <PublicServer> <LoPo> lets see howmanny people will vote 17:39:57 <PublicServer> *** LoPo has joined company #1 17:40:19 <Firestar> changes will come youll see later 17:40:33 <PublicServer> <LoPo> changes 17:40:39 <PublicServer> <LoPo> hmmm 17:40:49 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> well seeing as the games 200 - 221 took a year 17:41:21 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> that's the year 2509 about 17:42:01 <Firestar> if the world wont go under 17:42:03 <Firestar> XD 17:44:31 <PublicServer> <LoPo> there we go :) 17:44:33 <PublicServer> <LoPo> plan done 17:44:47 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> meh 17:44:57 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> i'm still on V's side 17:44:59 <PublicServer> <LoPo> meh? 17:45:01 <PublicServer> <LoPo> why? 17:45:03 <PublicServer> <LoPo> to hard? 17:45:10 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> nope 17:45:13 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> it's been done 17:45:15 <PublicServer> <LoPo> to easy? :P 17:45:23 <PublicServer> <LoPo> networks also have been "done" 17:45:34 <PublicServer> <LoPo> so that is not an good argument imo 17:45:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont get what is your point LoPo 17:45:57 <PublicServer> <LoPo> with my plan? 17:46:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> in general 17:46:10 <PublicServer> <LoPo> well 17:46:24 <PublicServer> <LoPo> we will talk about it some time else oky? 17:46:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> why? 17:46:54 *** testtest has joined #openttdcoop 17:47:08 <LoPo> becuase it might take some time 17:47:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> what might take time 17:47:18 <Rhamphoryncus> !password 17:47:18 <PublicServer> Rhamphoryncus: nabbed 17:47:21 <LoPo> and i dont have that time 17:47:30 <LoPo> to explain my point 17:47:31 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus joined the game 17:47:45 <LoPo> you dont understand it right? 17:47:57 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> PSG 217 was a lot like that, although a bit different, with 2 drops. 176 was like that too, although most weren't in it. 17:48:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> 176 was boring as hell if you ask me 17:48:23 <LoPo> i wanst there at PSG176 17:48:33 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> me neither 17:48:40 <LoPo> and PSG217 was a 2 station refit game for me 17:49:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> was the TL50 17:49:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> not refit 17:49:20 *** pugi has quit IRC 17:49:22 <LoPo> ow nvm 17:49:23 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> i'd like to have a one-drop game, but not here, not like that 17:49:26 <LoPo> wrong one :P 17:49:30 <Firestar> i wasnt at any games till PSG 223 i think 17:49:51 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> I've been here since PSG 188 17:50:02 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> (don't mean to brag about it though) 17:50:19 <Firestar> who was here since PSG 1?= 17:50:30 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> haha 17:50:40 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I've been here since PSG -1.. but I missed PSG 1 and everything since ;) 17:50:46 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> no one who has been here recently 17:50:56 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> unless someone uses a second nic 17:50:58 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> nick 17:51:26 <LoPo> 213 was nmy first 17:52:46 <PublicServer> *** LoPo has left the game (leaving) 17:54:23 <Firestar> my first nick was shadowzack111 17:56:19 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus has left the game (leaving) 17:56:49 <LoPo> meh :P 17:56:50 <LoPo> k 17:56:54 <LoPo> nvm my point 17:57:03 <LoPo> it seems, that is looks like V always wins 17:57:20 <LoPo> but its only the last few games 17:57:34 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined spectators 17:57:35 <V453000> yes about last 40, continue your point 17:57:36 <LoPo> next time ill win V! :"P 17:57:47 <LoPo> !password 17:57:47 <PublicServer> LoPo: felony 17:57:52 <V453000> is that all? 17:57:55 <V453000> interesting point 17:57:58 <PublicServer> *** LoPo joined the game 17:58:03 <LoPo> well k 17:58:22 <LoPo> it not a bad thing or something 17:58:37 <LoPo> but sometimes i have the feeling that purposing a plan is pointless 17:58:51 <LoPo> because mainly people will vote for you anyway 17:58:57 <LoPo> because you are V 17:59:00 *** testtest has quit IRC 17:59:02 <LoPo> that is my point 17:59:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> horseshit 17:59:11 <LoPo> ofc its horse shit 17:59:35 <LoPo> but that is your point of view agains my point 17:59:44 <LoPo> so we are both right 17:59:46 <LoPo> imo 18:00:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont quite care about being right or wrong as I dont see any point about solution or doing something 18:00:35 <LoPo> true 18:00:58 <LoPo> its just a note on how i see things sometimes 18:01:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> and from what I know people are usually satisfied with my plans so I do not see any problem 18:01:21 <LoPo> you make great plans, so that not a problem at all 18:01:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> so the problem is? 18:02:15 <Firestar> V453000: just make no plan nexrt time and we will see who wins then 18:02:21 <Firestar> if thats ok 18:02:34 <LoPo> that other people, which purpose plans, have a hard time competing? 18:02:42 <LoPo> maybe there planning skills sucks 18:02:59 <LoPo> but, maybe sometimes we should try a "bad" plan 18:03:14 <LoPo> instead a plan that fits the map 99% 18:03:35 <Mazur> LoPo: My first ever plan beat V right out of the water, and some 4 others, or so. 18:03:55 <Firestar> and not 0,001 %? XD 18:04:02 <LoPo> yes 18:04:10 *** TWerkhoven2[l] has joined #openttdcoop 18:04:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> well define a bad plan. I think you sure can say which plan works well or not, but 90% people do not recognize that. And I believe most people vote on what do they want to play, not how it works 18:04:17 <LoPo> but Mazur, i hardly see any plans from you naymore? 18:04:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> and a plan fitting map is ... normal? 18:06:00 <LoPo> ofc its normal, but being normal doesnt mean that a not fitting plan is bad 18:06:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> btw Mazur I didnt have a plan in 189 :p 18:06:06 <Mazur> LoPo: It's hard to come up with an original plan that also differs from any other plans propesed, every time. Unless one had way more experience than I have. And I've forgotten two palns that people requested me to reissue at some other time. 18:06:20 <Mazur> Still beat that. :-) 18:06:31 <LoPo> oky 18:07:05 <Tray> I agree with Lopo, but the only solution to this is not prospecting plans 18:07:46 <Mazur> I remembered that vaguely, by the way, V, but this was more likely to encourage the others. 18:07:47 <Mazur> ;-) 18:09:22 <Mazur> But you had to go and spoil it. 18:09:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 18:09:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> lol 18:09:44 <Mazur> :-)) 18:10:18 <Firestar> V just always make almost the best plans and its rarely he doesnt win 18:10:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> but anyway, I think making a good plan is nothing than looking in the archives and extracting some info from it, what has been done how about it works. And plus something interesting to add - whatever idea you come up with. Absolutely anyone can do that regardless of how good builders they are 18:10:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> all it takes is effort 18:11:03 *** TWerkhoven[l] has quit IRC 18:11:05 <Tray> well best is something very personal for me I don't like his plans very often 18:11:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> and it is much easier to start complaining about someone winning too much instead of putting effort 18:12:10 <Firestar> who made the plan with the srnw? 18:12:24 <Firestar> the latest one i mean 18:12:37 <LoPo> mark 18:13:18 <Firestar> thx 18:14:00 <V453000> I kinda told him how to make it work but meh :p 18:14:20 <PublicServer> <LoPo> lol so it was you! :P 18:14:43 <PublicServer> <LoPo> in disguise :P 18:16:32 <Firestar> we ll see how mark will react for that 18:16:34 <Tray> Another topic: mind if I change the main page? I want to replace that road vehicle station article with my article of road vehicle networking 18:16:53 <Firestar> thats nothing for me 18:18:19 <Rhamphoryncus> LoPo: fwiw, I voted for you in the last one, and all other things being equally I'd vote for you again just to not vote for V453000 ;) 18:18:25 <V453000> you can see the logs if you want to do a policeman Firestar I dont care 18:18:51 *** El has joined #openttdcoop 18:18:52 <LoPo> lol :P 18:19:17 <El> !password 18:19:17 <PublicServer> El: cherry 18:19:30 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel joined the game 18:19:33 <Firestar> look i just dont want to discuss anything right now im having dinner! -.- 18:19:34 <PublicServer> *** LoPo has joined spectators 18:19:35 <Rhamphoryncus> I do understand your point, but this conversation has been much too negative about it 18:19:50 <Firestar> well lets forget it 18:20:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am used to this kind of pointless conversations dont worry 18:20:51 <Rhamphoryncus> Although I think me bitching to Rubidium about not seeing any leadership for openttd was worse. ;) Still have to apologize for that. 18:21:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> :DDDDD 18:21:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> you did that? 18:21:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> either way, is anyone against starting the building? 18:22:07 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> nope, feel free 18:23:10 <Firestar> feel free 18:23:24 <Firestar> !password 18:23:24 <PublicServer> Firestar: cherry 18:23:34 *** TWerkhoven2[l] has quit IRC 18:23:40 <V453000> @stage Building 18:23:40 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG227 (r23972) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/IRC_Commands" 18:23:51 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined company #1 18:24:15 <PublicServer> *** Firestar joined the game 18:24:57 <PublicServer> <Firestar> im just gonna watch ya all first and then go on with building too 18:26:35 <Rhamphoryncus> yeah, I did that, and he never mentioned he's the leader either. I only figured out a couple days ago when I spotted the line in the readme. 18:28:21 *** bassals has joined #openttdcoop 18:29:06 <PublicServer> <Firestar> whcih TL? 18:29:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> 6, see plan 18:29:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> CL2 18:29:23 <bassals> oh building 18:29:30 <PublicServer> <Firestar> k 18:29:51 <bassals> !password 18:29:51 <PublicServer> bassals: caress 18:30:05 <PublicServer> *** bassals joined the game 18:30:22 <PublicServer> <Firestar> hi bassals 18:30:30 <PublicServer> <bassals> hello 18:30:57 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus joined the game 18:32:37 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 18:32:54 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 18:32:58 <PublicServer> <Mazur> lo 18:33:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 18:33:03 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> lo maz 18:33:06 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi 18:36:36 <PublicServer> <Firestar> what will this be? SLH? 18:36:59 <PublicServer> <Mazur> MSH or BBH. 18:37:22 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Given the stage. 18:37:24 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> finished gold drop 18:37:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> why didnt you follow the signs :( 18:38:06 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> is there some problem with putting it there? 18:38:16 <PublicServer> <Mazur> Anyway, dinner time for me. 18:38:22 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving) 18:38:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> not much but it would have fit the landscape so much better that way 18:38:38 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> oke i'll move it 18:38:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> thanks 18:39:15 <Tray> I may join later today. 18:40:33 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> How does the gold drop connect to the bank? 18:40:40 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hmm 18:40:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> certainly not to any current bank :) 18:40:50 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> there's no way without founding a new town 18:40:56 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> but oh well 18:41:02 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> heh 18:41:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> why not something like this? 18:41:30 <PublicServer> <Firestar> should i try to connect gold drop to MSH/BBH? 18:41:33 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hmm, okey 18:41:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> there isnt much space to afford 18:41:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> but do whatever you like 18:45:38 <PublicServer> *** LoPo has left the game (leaving) 18:45:42 <LoPo> see you guys 18:45:46 <PublicServer> <Firestar> cya 18:45:50 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> cya 18:45:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> see you 18:46:10 <PublicServer> <bassals> where is that ML going? 18:46:10 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> what is happening near nafingfield? 18:46:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> uhm 18:46:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> who is doing that 18:46:31 <PublicServer> <Firestar> me?+ 18:46:39 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> could you please follow the signs on the map? 18:46:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> see the signs where ML should be? 18:47:45 <PublicServer> <bassals> what is the TF policy? 18:47:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> keep it with landscape 18:48:02 <PublicServer> <bassals> ok 18:48:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> CL2 should allow some low TF 18:48:14 <PublicServer> <bassals> yes but it's gonna be tough 18:48:49 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Is CL2 in tiles? Not wagons or half-tiles? 18:49:10 <PublicServer> <Firestar> once ive been on a server there was a max TF of 50 18:49:21 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> luuklands? 18:49:21 <PublicServer> <Firestar> was a map domination server 18:49:28 <PublicServer> <Firestar> no not luukland 18:49:34 <PublicServer> <Firestar> was a german server 18:49:45 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> oh 18:50:24 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> there 18:50:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> that looks much nicer 18:50:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> doesnt it :) 18:50:53 <PublicServer> <Firestar> thx for advice anyway 18:50:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> hm 18:50:57 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> yup 18:51:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> you might want to consider PBS in the entrance absolutis 18:51:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> combo signals are really badass 18:51:22 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hmm 18:52:04 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> Its my first game on coop server, is there any way I can help without getting in the way? 18:52:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> just leave it like that abso 18:52:28 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> oke 18:52:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> this does the thing 18:52:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> El_Timuel: you can try to build a station 18:52:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is relatively easy 18:53:14 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> okay 18:53:36 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> el_timuel: did you see the plan? 18:53:47 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yeah i did 18:54:05 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> the one that was accepted, right? 18:54:25 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yeah v453000's 18:54:31 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> alright, just checking 18:54:47 <Absolutis> "gap 18:54:49 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yeah i read the quickstart and all that and a bunch of other stuff 18:54:50 <Absolutis> !gap 18:54:50 <PublicServer> Absolutis: !gap <trainlength> <gap>: Returns amount of tunnels/bridges needed. Formula: (<gap>+<trainlength>-2)/(<trainlength>+2) 18:55:04 <Absolutis> !gap 6 8 18:55:04 <PublicServer> Absolutis: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 6 and gap 8. 18:55:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> why is there a prio at the refinery exit? 18:55:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> just leave trains to merge somehow :) 18:56:38 *** TWerkhoven[l] has joined #openttdcoop 18:57:40 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> for the food plant, a RoRo with 8 platforms will work? 18:58:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> depends on design of the station, try something :) 18:58:20 <PublicServer> *** {TWerkhoven[l]} joined the game 18:58:41 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> okay thanks, excuse my errors 18:58:47 <PublicServer> <Tray> There's a FPP infront of refinery station 18:58:50 <PublicServer> <Tray> ): 18:59:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> can kill it later or let it die 18:59:54 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> What is that station selection thing? ive never seen it before 19:00:08 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> It's just candy. It looks pretty 19:00:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> you can choose to make the station nice 19:00:18 <PublicServer> <Tray> basically just new graphics 19:00:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> doesnt influence the station in any way 19:00:22 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> understood 19:01:17 <PublicServer> <Firestar> why has the ML to be on FARMLAND?! its much more expensive 19:01:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> lol 19:01:30 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> look a bit at our money 19:01:36 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> what is proper platform length? 19:01:42 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> six 19:01:42 <PublicServer> <Tray> 6 19:01:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> as long as train is 19:01:44 <PublicServer> <Firestar> just look at the costs i give out for building on farmland 19:02:47 <PublicServer> <Absolutis> gtg 19:02:50 <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has left the game (leaving) 19:02:53 *** Absolutis has quit IRC 19:02:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> cya 19:02:56 <PublicServer> <Firestar> cya 19:07:23 <PublicServer> <Firestar> damn building one stretch through farmland costs me more than 64k € 19:07:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> christ can you please stop caring about the money? 19:07:59 <PublicServer> <Firestar> ok ok i just hate building on it 19:08:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> for money reasons 19:08:30 *** MDGrein has quit IRC 19:08:32 <PublicServer> *** Firestar has left the game (connection lost) 19:09:04 <Firestar> !password 19:09:04 <PublicServer> Firestar: madden 19:09:52 <Firestar> cant log in :( 19:10:13 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> No return path indicated for the coal drop. Should I just leave the roro dangling for now? 19:10:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> uh? 19:10:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> the return path is the same as entry path 19:10:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> El_Timuel: be VERY careful about terraforming please 19:10:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> this is way too much 19:11:04 <Firestar> !password 19:11:04 <PublicServer> Firestar: verges 19:11:10 *** MDGrein has joined #openttdcoop 19:11:13 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> sorry 19:11:18 <PublicServer> *** Firestar joined the game 19:11:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is ok just keep that in mind 19:11:23 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> k 19:11:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> perhaps you will find a way to make it better 19:12:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> Rhamphoryncus: also, TF 19:13:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> that looks way too obvious 19:13:11 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> which part? 19:13:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> these two mainly 19:14:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think you should consider making a terminus station there 19:14:14 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> yeah. I need to come up with a different way to approach this 19:14:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> as you will get a R_L instead of L_R this way 19:14:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> and the exit is a major problem 19:14:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> and you just want to return back from where it came 19:14:53 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> That's why I asked ;) 19:15:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> Firestar: do you realize that the ML is LL_RR or even LLL_RRR in the central part? 19:15:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> not LL 19:15:54 <PublicServer> <Firestar> i wouldnt do so bad if someone would help me 19:16:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> you didnt say you need any help? 19:16:24 <PublicServer> <Tray> what's the problem? 19:16:27 <PublicServer> <Firestar> wasnt it obvius i would need some? 19:16:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> should it be obvious? 19:16:50 <PublicServer> <Firestar> ya know im a noob at the game 19:16:52 <PublicServer> <Firestar> yet 19:17:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> doesnt mean I expect you not to read plan :p 19:17:53 <PublicServer> <Firestar> and im having some problems with the hills 19:18:11 <PublicServer> <Tray> where are you working? 19:21:25 <PublicServer> <Tray> Looks okay for me. If you've any question please feel free to ask 19:22:19 <PublicServer> <Firestar> i just got an idea in my mind im a bit tired had to be at school at 7 and came only at 15:30 out 19:25:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> will need a signal there :p 19:25:24 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> heh 19:26:03 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> otherwise looks good? 19:26:45 <PublicServer> <Tray> ar I've a small advice for at !cl 19:27:04 <PublicServer> <Tray> That will cause trains to slow down 19:27:14 <PublicServer> <Firestar> erm 19:27:24 <PublicServer> <Firestar> i did know that ill improve it bit later 19:27:38 <PublicServer> <Firestar> let me make this line finished k? 19:27:45 <PublicServer> <Tray> You've some of those, just wanted that pointed out 19:27:49 <PublicServer> <Tray> of course. 19:27:56 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Firestar, ask me later and I'll explain how all the curve mechanics work 19:28:16 <PublicServer> <Firestar> i know how all the CL-mechanics work 19:28:35 <PublicServer> <Firestar> cant i just feel a bit tired right now? is that forbidden here too? 19:28:53 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> doh, sorry. I misread what you said as "didn't know that" :( 19:29:11 <PublicServer> <Firestar> ya mean "misunderstood" 19:29:45 <PublicServer> <Firestar> anyway im just not used to TL6 19:29:45 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> No, misread... 19:30:11 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> is this decent or did I just make some weird abomination? 19:30:25 <PublicServer> <Tray> I think a lot of poeple aren't used to it and we'll have a lot of cl issues to fix (: 19:30:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> some odd things there 19:30:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> signal it 19:30:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> you will see some strange things perhaps 19:30:49 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> what do you mean? 19:30:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> or in other words, do signals and then we will continue discussion ;) 19:31:02 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> sounds good 19:31:37 <PublicServer> <Tray> V, mind if I build the ML north to Plundinghattan instead of south? 19:31:44 <PublicServer> <Tray> much less terrain trouble 19:31:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> SURE NO PROBLEM 19:32:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> caps :D 19:32:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> but yes no problem :p 19:32:14 <PublicServer> <Tray> annoyed? 19:32:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> not really :) 19:32:42 <PublicServer> <Tray> that's fine 19:35:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> El_Timuel: what about this 19:35:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> just simply ;) 19:35:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> the crossing does not do anything 19:35:41 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yeah you're right 19:36:15 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> i got caught up in the moment 19:36:25 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> :P 19:37:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> Tray: please use the PBS prio only when necessary 19:37:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> isnt necessary there ;) 19:39:42 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> trees hide all teraforming sins XD 19:40:00 <PublicServer> <Firestar> make the trees invisible 19:40:46 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Actually, it's the lack of trees that make it obvious what you bulldozed 19:40:48 <PublicServer> <Firestar> V453000: what do ya mean with CL2 again? 19:40:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> again? 19:41:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh 19:41:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> well .. CL2 19:41:21 <V453000> @cl 19:41:22 <Webster> cl: Curve Length, mostly used to describe how big a curve must be to let pass trains with a certain TL at full speed, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Max_Curve_Speed 19:42:11 <Rhamphoryncus> that page is wrong XD 19:42:40 <Rhamphoryncus> Curve length in the code is the number of wagons, which typically means half tiles 19:43:23 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> But I'm betting CL2 here is meant as full tiles, so 4 wagons 19:43:34 <V453000> no clue about some code but we sure use CL2 as 2 tiles or 3 half tiles on diagonal 19:43:53 <PublicServer> <Firestar> 3 half tiles at diagonal 19:44:09 <Rhamphoryncus> 3 half? I assumed 5 half 19:44:21 <PublicServer> <Firestar> thats CL3 i think 19:44:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> 1 is CL1, therefore ... 3 is CL2 ;) 19:45:18 <PublicServer> <bassals> it's the way the tooltip measures 19:45:18 <Tray> there's a nice tooltop option that agrees on 3 halftiles 19:45:38 <Rhamphoryncus> CL2 -> 4 wagons -> curves >= 4 half-tiles -> CL3 for diagonals. Wait, did I just define 2 = 3? 19:45:51 <Rhamphoryncus> The tooltip is wrong too ;) 19:46:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> well 19:46:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> it makes TL = CL in most cases 19:46:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> unless speed is low of course 19:47:01 <PublicServer> <Firestar> in most but not in every cases 19:47:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes but these cases are only when speed changes, it doesnt change tooltip being "correct" 19:47:50 <Rhamphoryncus> If your train is 6 wagons and your curve is 5 half-tiles then you'll never trigger being on a curve 19:50:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 19:50:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> which is TL3 and CL3 19:51:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> fits I would say 19:51:33 <PublicServer> <bassals> so what if TL>CL? 19:52:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> nothing, the train just is slower than the allowed speed on that CL 19:52:14 <Rhamphoryncus> Then you have a real curve 19:52:33 <PublicServer> <bassals> but is it still CL2 like 3 half diagonals? 19:53:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> CL2 is just the name for 3 diagonals? 19:53:25 <PublicServer> <bassals> that's what I thought 19:53:31 <Rhamphoryncus> Yup, the curve is 3 wagons or 3 diagonals or 3 half-tiles, which gives a limit of 167 km/h 19:54:11 <PublicServer> <bassals> in erail? 19:54:26 <Rhamphoryncus> erail? 19:54:33 <PublicServer> <Firestar> electric rail 19:54:46 <Rhamphoryncus> oh yeah. It doesn't change 19:54:57 <Rhamphoryncus> Only monorail and maglev have a bonus (50% and 100% respectively) 19:57:02 <Rhamphoryncus> In fact 2 wagons would limit us to 110 km/h, almost exactly the 112 km/h desired, and you'd have to test for what rounding does anyway 19:57:15 <PublicServer> <Firestar> what speed limit have CL5 curves? 19:57:49 <Rhamphoryncus> CL5 = 9 wagons = 215 km/h 19:57:53 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> v, can you take a look at my signaling and point out the mistakes please? 19:59:07 <PublicServer> <bassals> El_Timuel: is it though as 3 bays for pickup and 3 for drop? 19:59:30 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yeah 19:59:32 <PublicServer> <bassals> why do they have oposing directions? 20:00:19 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> no i had 3 for one direction, and 3 the other 20:00:36 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> not seperate platforms 20:03:05 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> is it incorrect? 20:05:40 <PublicServer> <bassals> oops excuse me 20:05:56 <PublicServer> <bassals> well you are using 2-way signals 20:06:02 <PublicServer> <bassals> this is not good 20:06:28 <PublicServer> *** bassals has left the game (general timeout) 20:06:28 <PublicServer> *** bassals has left the game (connection lost) 20:06:52 <PublicServer> <Firestar> suffering with the hills -.- 20:07:02 <bassals> !ping 20:07:02 <PublicServer> bassals: pong 20:07:14 <PublicServer> *** bassals has left the game (connection lost) 20:07:27 <PublicServer> *** bassals joined the game 20:08:16 <PublicServer> <bassals> El_Timuel 20:08:22 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yes 20:08:28 <PublicServer> <bassals> the entrances are suposed to be only 2 lanes 20:08:31 <PublicServer> <bassals> not four 20:09:05 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> i had it going both ways, i will fix it now 20:09:07 <PublicServer> <bassals> and all traffic is going in one direction 20:09:53 <PublicServer> <bassals> they enter the station from the bottom and exit upwards 20:10:16 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> towards the water? 20:10:34 <PublicServer> <bassals> mm 20:10:36 <PublicServer> <bassals> no 20:10:38 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> let me throw down some example tracks 20:10:46 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> thank you 20:10:53 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> and sorry for being n00b 20:11:00 <PublicServer> <bassals> don't worry 20:11:14 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> s'all good. This is only my 3rd or 4th coop game 20:11:17 <PublicServer> <bassals> we all started one day 20:11:51 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> It's like roads in most of the world. You drive on the right side 20:12:18 <PublicServer> <Firestar> except in england 20:12:24 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> "most" ;) 20:12:34 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> and japan 20:12:48 <PublicServer> <bassals> yes, many countries i asia 20:12:58 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> thanks :P 20:13:44 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 20:14:06 <PublicServer> <Firestar> El_Timuel: im a noob too so youre not alone 20:14:24 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Is it just the two central bits that are LLL_RRR? Or all central bits? 20:15:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> everything that is inside the network 20:16:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> look at the outer ring 20:16:11 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> thanks 20:16:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> and then there is stuff inside the ring 20:16:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> so stuff from the 2 hubs 20:16:29 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Yes, my point is t here's a *very* center part 20:17:07 <PublicServer> <bassals> El_Timuel: do you know how to make 1-way signals? 20:17:14 <PublicServer> <Firestar> well im glad that i dont know which part is the very center one 20:17:20 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yeah 20:17:44 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> the very center is where the sign is about LLL_RRR ;) 20:18:46 <PublicServer> <Firestar> well that will someone else have to build because ive got enough suffering with making LL_RR MLs 20:19:08 <PublicServer> <Firestar> and i know that i probably just got it wrong again 20:19:32 <PublicServer> <bassals> don't worry 20:19:42 <PublicServer> <bassals> then someone else will surely do it 20:20:08 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> wait why is it LL_RR all the way to the fpp? 20:20:23 <PublicServer> <bassals> yes 20:20:49 <PublicServer> <bassals> MSL are all LL_RR 20:21:03 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> The outer ring and all sidelines are all LL_RR. The inner spokes are LLL_RRR 20:21:03 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> okay 20:21:14 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> thanks 20:21:16 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> well, main sidelines are LL_RR 20:21:31 <PublicServer> <bassals> main station lines 20:21:42 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> ahh 20:23:42 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Who's building track by me? 20:24:01 <PublicServer> <Firestar> me master of disaster XD 20:24:07 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> ahh :) 20:24:10 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> lol 20:24:38 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> let me finish lol 20:24:44 <PublicServer> <Firestar> ok 20:25:08 <PublicServer> <bassals> by the way LL_RR is supposed to leave a tile in between 20:25:22 <PublicServer> <bassals> that's what the _ stands for 20:25:24 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> *mumble* 20:25:34 <PublicServer> <Firestar> lets make it a bit different this time 20:25:40 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> lol 20:25:58 <PublicServer> *** bassals has joined spectators 20:26:46 <PublicServer> *** {TWerkhoven[l]} has joined company #1 20:26:59 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> ello 20:27:05 <PublicServer> <Firestar> lo 20:28:50 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 20:30:08 *** mfb- has joined #openttdcoop 20:30:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mfb- 20:30:13 <mfb-> hi 20:30:17 <PublicServer> <Firestar> hi 20:30:19 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi 20:30:27 <mfb-> oh, good, already building 20:30:47 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 20:31:00 <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm 20:31:15 <PublicServer> <mfb> I think the line near tendingworth should be LLL_RRR? 20:31:33 <PublicServer> <Firestar> ya can make it LLL_RRR 20:31:33 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> It is supposed to be, yes 20:31:40 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> all central spokes 20:33:06 <PublicServer> <Firestar> should i make the line near Pufingbridge LLL_RRR or just LL_RR 20:33:32 <PublicServer> <mfb> LL_RR is fine 20:33:44 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> that's rim, even if it doesn't look like it 20:33:58 <PublicServer> <Firestar> i just wanted to know 20:35:42 <PublicServer> <mfb> oh, we have serious money problems 20:35:48 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> lol 20:37:15 <PublicServer> <Firestar> i think im gonna stop building for a while cya tomorrow 20:37:18 <PublicServer> *** Firestar has left the game (leaving) 20:37:22 <PublicServer> <mfb> cu 20:37:24 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> cya 20:37:33 <Firestar> and good luck with the money 20:37:50 *** Firestar has quit IRC 20:38:04 <PublicServer> <mfb> there is always a way to get more... 20:38:09 <TWerkhoven[l]> cheat? 20:38:10 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> can you take a look at my fpp station and find any problems? 20:38:28 <PublicServer> <Tray> It's not LL RR 20:38:30 <PublicServer> <mfb> please name it FPP station 20:38:32 <PublicServer> <mfb> or something similar 20:38:54 <PublicServer> <mfb> ah 20:39:04 <PublicServer> <Tray> and you need sperate drop and pickup 20:39:07 <PublicServer> <mfb> why do you have so many two-way signals everywhere? 20:39:55 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> learning experience, eh el_timuel? 20:40:13 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yes, sorry for n00bishness lol 20:40:23 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> first game 20:40:33 <PublicServer> <Tray> maybe check out the wiki for some station examples 20:40:55 <PublicServer> <Tray> or take a look at the other ones 20:40:55 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yeah I should 20:41:09 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> that too 20:42:17 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> @gap 5 9 20:44:48 <PublicServer> <mfb> these curves are too short 20:47:22 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus has joined spectators 20:49:38 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> is 2 curve length too short for a station? 20:49:48 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> 3 half-tiles is what we're using 20:49:56 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> okay thanks 20:50:10 <PublicServer> <mfb> this is the shortest thing our trains can take without slowdowns 20:50:28 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> k 20:51:26 <PublicServer> <Tray> I wonder wether V build a lot of CL or I'm stupid. \: 20:51:33 <PublicServer> <mfb> ? 20:51:55 <PublicServer> <Tray> He has a lot of double S bends 20:52:01 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Example? 20:52:15 <PublicServer> <mfb> test it ;) 20:52:42 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> whats this circle going on by the fpp? 20:52:53 <PublicServer> <mfb> that was to show the curve length 20:53:04 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> oh haha 20:54:54 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> how do i make it so that trains from the right track can go to the left set of platforms and vice versa? 20:55:12 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Don't worry about it 20:55:26 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> For drop offs they won't be there long enough to matter 20:55:28 <PublicServer> <mfb> but for the drop part this is not so important 20:55:34 <PublicServer> *** TWerkhoven[l] has left the game (desync error) 20:55:34 <PublicServer> *** mfb has left the game (desync error) 20:55:36 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (desync error) 20:55:36 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has left the game (desync error) 20:55:36 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 20:55:36 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus has left the game (desync error) 20:55:41 <Rhamphoryncus> :O 20:55:42 <mfb-> great 20:55:47 <mfb-> !password 20:55:47 <PublicServer> mfb-: drowsy 20:55:48 <TWerkhoven[l]> odd 20:55:54 <El> !password 20:55:54 <PublicServer> El: drowsy 20:55:56 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 20:55:56 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 20:56:10 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 20:56:10 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 20:56:10 <PublicServer> *** {TWerkhoven[l]} joined the game 20:56:12 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (connection lost) 20:56:12 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel joined the game 20:56:18 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus joined the game 20:56:28 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 20:56:40 <PublicServer> *** {TWerkhoven[l]} has joined company #1 20:56:45 <PublicServer> <bassals> hello? 20:56:47 <PublicServer> <mfb> all in again? ;) 20:56:49 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> ello 20:56:56 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> strange 20:56:58 <PublicServer> <bassals> I wasn't kicked 20:57:00 <PublicServer> *** bassals has joined company #1 20:57:08 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Wait, bassals didn't desync? WITCH! XD 20:57:08 <PublicServer> <mfb> just company members? 20:57:27 <PublicServer> <bassals> it seems so 20:57:48 <PublicServer> <Tray> -.- My complained CL is one 20:57:53 <PublicServer> <Tray> It slows down by 1 km/h 20:58:04 <PublicServer> <Tray> yes, one. 20:58:06 <PublicServer> <mfb> lol 20:58:20 <PublicServer> <bassals> we don't have any cash! 20:58:34 <PublicServer> <Tray> I sell my testing train 20:58:44 <PublicServer> <Tray> oh 20:58:47 <PublicServer> <Tray> \: 20:59:29 <PublicServer> <bassals> I guess we cannot have more MM 20:59:36 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> 2 wagons on a curve is 110 km/h, 3 wagons on a curve is 131 km/h. Of course there's rounding in multiple places. 20:59:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> you can double the curve :D 21:00:14 <PublicServer> <Tray> I'm more addicted to measurement. 21:00:48 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> What's really funky is multiple curves: it averages the number of wagons on them 21:01:26 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I measured, then said wtf and read the code, then measured a few more times until it made sense :) 21:01:44 <PublicServer> <Tray> reading code ... hrm 21:02:00 <PublicServer> <mfb> the real way to understand it :p 21:02:11 <PublicServer> <bassals> but will we have penalty for TL6, CL2 and 112 km/h? 21:02:17 <PublicServer> <Tray> I would like phsics would work that way. 21:02:21 <PublicServer> <mfb> well 21:02:24 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> bassals, no 21:02:26 <PublicServer> <mfb> you have to find the code 21:02:56 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> 3 wagons, meaning 3 half tiles, lets you do 131 km/h, even with TL50 21:03:18 <PublicServer> <bassals> so why don't we change our plan into 131 km/h? 21:03:36 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I have no idea 21:05:35 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> should I throw down a cheap moneymaker? 21:05:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> where? 21:06:07 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I'm thinking trucks 21:06:10 <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm 21:06:16 <PublicServer> <mfb> V will not like this :p 21:06:18 <PublicServer> <Tray> I think we just build until we've to reload and cheat on the way 21:06:21 <PublicServer> <mfb> but if you do, do it right 21:06:24 <PublicServer> <mfb> abuse station spread 21:06:30 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> heh 21:06:36 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> alright then 21:06:42 <PublicServer> <mfb> anyway, we don't have enough money for trains 21:06:56 <PublicServer> <mfb> so it is just a bit for building 21:07:58 <PublicServer> <bassals> why does the max-speed interface lower 1 km/h the speed that you input? 21:08:02 <PublicServer> <bassals> this cannot be intended 21:08:08 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> rounding is weird 21:08:18 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> it doesn't measure in km/h 21:09:30 <PublicServer> <bassals> it has an stupid behavior 21:09:54 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus has left the game (desync error) 21:10:08 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm 21:10:22 <Rhamphoryncus> !password 21:10:22 <PublicServer> Rhamphoryncus: hosted 21:10:37 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus joined the game 21:10:53 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> is the speed limit going to stay 112? 21:11:28 <Rhamphoryncus> huh. I'd added orders, cloned the truck, and started them 21:11:38 <PublicServer> <mfb> I assume so 21:11:46 <Rhamphoryncus> Now there's just one truck, no orders, and it's in the depot 21:12:24 <Rhamphoryncus> trying again with just the one truck 21:12:36 <PublicServer> <bassals> you're not exploiting station spread in here! 21:12:55 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I'd already built the tunnel and I was lazy :) 21:13:02 <PublicServer> <bassals> oh yes you are hahahah 21:13:16 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> the stations themselves are centered very far away 21:13:28 *** lmergen has quit IRC 21:16:30 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus has left the game (desync error) 21:16:38 <Rhamphoryncus> not good :( 21:16:44 <PublicServer> <mfb> that is not a moneymaker, that is close to eyecandy 21:16:58 <Rhamphoryncus> it's noob moneymaker 21:17:04 <PublicServer> <mfb> lol 21:17:10 <Rhamphoryncus> !password 21:17:10 <PublicServer> Rhamphoryncus: hosted 21:17:21 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus joined the game 21:17:36 <PublicServer> <Tray> coal trucks, for real? (: 21:17:48 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I'm old school 21:18:39 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 21:18:56 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus has joined company #1 21:19:01 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> and at least it is making money ;) 21:19:18 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 21:19:32 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 21:20:11 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> i like your station walking lol 21:20:25 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> it's maaaagic walking :D 21:21:02 <PublicServer> <mfb> there, got its building costs back 21:21:12 <PublicServer> <bassals> @@(gap 6) 21:21:12 <Webster> PublicServer: For Trainlength of 6: <= 12 needs 2, 13 - 20 needs 3, 21 - 28 needs 4. 21:21:53 <Tray> quiete much code ... 21:22:33 <Rhamphoryncus> Looking at curve calculations? 21:22:42 <Tray> just checked out 21:23:31 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> oh man look at our cash 21:23:45 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> my moneymaker is being nitpicked XD 21:24:00 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> hah 21:24:21 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> but I can nitpick better 21:25:11 <PublicServer> <bassals> you have deleted the bay that connects to the mine 21:25:17 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> hmm, I guess there's an advantage to that kind of station 21:25:23 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> err 21:25:33 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> hmm, apparently it doesn't work the way I thought :) 21:25:59 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I thought it just made a bounding box and expanded by the highest catchment area 21:26:13 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> but it seems it's per-station-tile instead 21:26:19 <PublicServer> <mfb> for pickup? yes 21:26:23 <PublicServer> <mfb> for drop, it is the box 21:26:37 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> ahh 21:27:01 <PublicServer> <bassals> anyway we only have 60k€ 21:27:15 <PublicServer> <bassals> do you plan to cheat? 21:28:17 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> err.. chained abuse. Wow, that is ugly XD 21:28:48 <PublicServer> <mfb> more money with the same coal 21:29:14 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> yeah 21:31:00 <PublicServer> <mfb> ok, fixed the broken link 21:31:42 <PublicServer> <mfb> that should be enough for building 21:33:16 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost) 21:33:37 <PublicServer> *** Mazur joined the game 21:33:48 <PublicServer> <Mazur> lo 21:33:52 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 21:33:55 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> med 21:33:57 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> what is the "Reversed Engine Pool?" 21:34:07 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> a pool of engines which run in reverse 21:34:07 *** sietse has joined #openttdcoop 21:34:13 <PublicServer> <mfb> we cannot reverse the direction of engines with this patch 21:34:23 <PublicServer> <mfb> that was possible with an earlier patch 21:34:25 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> oh i see 21:34:43 <PublicServer> <mfb> ok 21:35:01 <PublicServer> <Mazur> In the newest games those can;t be reversed in depot anymore, so they are created using an older version, because we like second engines to be erversed. 21:35:15 <PublicServer> <mfb> I expect >1million (€) per year from the trucks, so we can continue building 21:35:29 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> thanks 21:36:08 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I threw down the gauntlet.. and mfb hit me with a truck XD 21:36:19 <PublicServer> <Mazur> People: LL_RR means leave a tile space between LL and RR. 21:36:33 <PublicServer> <mfb> and nobody cares 21:36:43 <PublicServer> <mfb> because this tile does not help 21:37:17 <PublicServer> <Tray> those coal trcuks are working good o: 21:38:03 <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving) 21:41:26 <PublicServer> <mfb> silent? :( 21:42:00 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> ? 21:42:14 <PublicServer> <mfb> I am guessing who is building at food&good drop 21:42:20 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> signed 21:42:26 <PublicServer> <mfb> oh, wrong 21:43:41 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> you can recognise my by the british-building 21:43:49 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> somehow i always end up driving on the left 21:43:55 <PublicServer> <mfb> :D 21:45:55 <bassals> are you english? 21:46:08 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> dutch, but i do live in scotland 21:46:17 <bassals> okay 21:47:44 <PublicServer> <mfb> the expensive part is nearly done ;) 21:50:36 <sietse> !password 21:50:36 <PublicServer> sietse: racier 21:50:46 <PublicServer> *** Sietse has left the game (connection lost) 21:51:06 <PublicServer> <Tray> TWerk your station is one tile too short 21:51:20 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> tl5, is it not? 21:51:22 <PublicServer> <mfb> 6 21:51:25 <PublicServer> <Tray> 6 21:51:27 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> crp 21:51:45 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> well at least it got noticed before we ran any trains 21:53:01 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> how can i make a pick up for fpp without plowing the entire mountain? 21:53:19 <PublicServer> <mfb> there maybe 21:53:27 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> k 21:53:51 <sietse> !password 21:53:51 <PublicServer> sietse: racier 21:53:54 <PublicServer> *** Sietse has left the game (connection lost) 21:54:06 <PublicServer> <Tray> why the bridges by thew way? 21:54:16 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> You can put a station over an existing one, if you want to make it pretty 21:54:19 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Not that you need that right now 21:54:49 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> ill do it if you want, or wait until we have more cash 21:55:43 <sietse> !password 21:55:43 <PublicServer> sietse: swings 21:55:47 <PublicServer> *** Sietse has left the game (connection lost) 21:57:08 <Rhamphoryncus> 41 engines that do >= 130 km/h, 34 that do >= 112 km/h 21:57:11 <TWerkhoven[l]> i just like using bridges other than the fastest 21:57:19 <Rhamphoryncus> So.. that's the reason 112 km/h was chosen 21:57:27 <TWerkhoven[l]> as long as they can handle the trains speed 21:57:37 <PublicServer> <mfb> your numbers do not match 21:57:44 <bassals> definitely 21:57:48 <mfb-> or do you mean 34 between 112 and 130? 21:58:00 <Rhamphoryncus> err 34 *more* that do >= 112 km/h :D 21:58:09 <bassals> 75 21:59:57 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> is it okay to use a bridge before the entrance to a platform? 22:00:09 <PublicServer> <mfb> depends on the bridge 22:00:13 <PublicServer> <Tray> yes 22:00:24 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> what bridge then? 22:00:42 <PublicServer> <mfb> well, on the layout of the thing you do 22:00:44 <PublicServer> <mfb> not the bridge type 22:00:54 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> oh okay 22:06:06 <sietse> !password 22:06:06 <PublicServer> sietse: swings 22:06:16 <PublicServer> *** Sietse has left the game (connection lost) 22:06:21 <PublicServer> <Tray> what are these !bridges about? 22:06:53 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> probably shouldent be there 22:07:03 <PublicServer> <Tray> I agree on that. 22:11:35 *** Tray has quit IRC 22:11:37 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (connection lost) 22:15:42 <sietse> !password 22:15:42 <PublicServer> sietse: tilled 22:15:46 <PublicServer> *** Sietse has left the game (connection lost) 22:17:55 *** LoPo has quit IRC 22:26:55 <Rhamphoryncus> What's MSH? It's not on http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Jargon 22:27:01 <PublicServer> <mfb> main station hub 22:27:09 <PublicServer> <mfb> like a BBH, but with a station at one side 22:27:12 <TWerkhoven[l]> basically the same as bbh, xcept one arm goes to a station 22:28:02 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> its okay to have a double hill if the traffic is going downhill? 22:28:13 <TWerkhoven[l]> sure 22:28:27 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Hills are usually not a problem. Tons of power in our trains 22:28:58 <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> theres a 10% steepness for trains this game 22:29:17 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> :O 22:30:02 <mfb-> now it is there 22:30:08 <mfb-> oh 22:30:10 <mfb-> climb test? 22:30:31 <TWerkhoven[l]> plan does call for 10k hp minimum for trains 22:30:43 <TWerkhoven[l]> and 112kmh minimum speed 22:32:31 <PublicServer> <mfb> aw 22:32:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> crap 22:32:57 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> do i connect fpp drop off and pick up stations? 22:33:19 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> as a single station? Not necessary 22:33:21 <PublicServer> <mfb> like it is done now? of course 22:33:28 <PublicServer> <mfb> but use double bridges please 22:33:43 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> no lol of course they connect but as a single station 22:33:48 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:33:53 <PublicServer> <mfb> no, two separate stations 22:33:53 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> double bridge? 22:33:56 <PublicServer> <mfb> so trains know where to go 22:34:35 <PublicServer> <mfb> that is a double bridge 22:34:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> and it avoids the signal gap problem 22:34:48 <PublicServer> <mfb> as both bridges can be used in parallel 22:34:50 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> k thanks 22:35:08 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> note that the entrance is shifted one from the exit 22:35:18 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> this ensures both sides are *exactly* the same length 22:35:33 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> 7 straight and 2 diagonal tiles 22:35:43 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> oh yes 22:35:49 <PublicServer> <mfb> which is really overrated in many places, but just use it unless it is really impossible (which is hardly the case) 22:37:49 <bassals> sync is overrated? 22:38:04 <PublicServer> <mfb> sync with diagonal tiles 22:38:18 <bassals> okay 22:38:32 <PublicServer> <mfb> sync in general is important 22:38:58 * bassals won't melt his brain with diagonal sync again 22:39:04 <Rhamphoryncus> I did some tests and I could really tell the difference. That was large curves though. Like this it's only a small part. 22:39:38 <PublicServer> <mfb> did you test something like !this? 22:39:45 <PublicServer> <mfb> this is really out of sync by ~1 tile 22:39:59 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> nope 22:40:25 <PublicServer> <mfb> but the other thing is only important if trains happen to be within ~0.1 tiles of the minimal distance 22:40:25 <PublicServer> *** {TWerkhoven[l]} has joined spectators 22:40:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> and even then, only in curves 22:40:41 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> yeah 22:40:56 <PublicServer> <mfb> unless it is TL1/2 or strange stuff 22:41:02 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> and only if up to full speed anyway. Entering a station is less likely to matter. 22:41:02 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> okay, gotta goi 22:41:16 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Cya timuel. Thanks for playing :) 22:41:35 <PublicServer> <El_Timuel> yeah man thanks alot for helping and putting up with my n00biness 22:42:17 <PublicServer> *** El_Timuel has left the game (leaving) 22:45:42 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Understanding a BBH would be much easier if you could paint the rails 22:46:12 <PublicServer> <mfb> well, sometimes you can use monorail/maglev 22:46:24 <PublicServer> <mfb> but you can add signs 22:46:38 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I meant an existing one, but yeah, that could work 22:46:48 <PublicServer> <mfb> me too :p 22:47:02 <PublicServer> <mfb> and as there is only one, I think I can guess which one 22:47:08 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> heh 22:47:26 *** El has quit IRC 22:47:30 <PublicServer> <mfb> oh wait 22:47:53 <PublicServer> <mfb> fixed 22:48:25 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I could do one in the flat, but I'm getting overwhelmed by this terrain 22:48:36 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I should just start building and reorganize as i go 22:48:43 <PublicServer> <mfb> coal drop MSH is nearly flat 22:48:57 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I'm easily stressed ;) 22:48:57 <PublicServer> <mfb> if you do it a bit to the north-east 22:49:16 <PublicServer> <mfb> the hub near fuston is flat 22:49:31 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> hmm 22:49:33 <PublicServer> <mfb> and has a large available area 22:49:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> should be one of the easiest spots here 22:49:57 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I did most of the stuff by coal drop so that's what I want to focus on 22:50:33 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> You've confused me XD 22:50:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> well, a hub is not a single tile ;) 22:52:10 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined company #1 22:52:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 22:52:14 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 22:52:20 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> heya V 22:53:07 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I would have to do some teraforming 22:54:01 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> the height drops by 2. A bridge or tunnel wouldn't be inconsequential 22:54:01 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi V 22:54:19 <PublicServer> <mfb> ?? 22:54:22 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi V 22:54:27 <PublicServer> <mfb> do two bridges? 22:54:46 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> hrm maybe 22:54:57 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> okay, I'll give it a try and see what I come up with 22:55:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is usually the best solution to any problem 22:55:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> at least if you don't know how to solve it 22:55:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> definitely 22:55:53 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> and if you're good at taking criticism ;) 22:57:36 <PublicServer> <bassals> @@(gap 6) 22:57:37 <Webster> PublicServer: For Trainlength of 6: <= 12 needs 2, 13 - 20 needs 3, 21 - 28 needs 4. 22:58:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> cash :D 22:59:02 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> lol 22:59:09 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 22:59:29 <PublicServer> <mfb> do you get some? 22:59:43 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> ? 22:59:53 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> stress? Constantly. 22:59:59 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> oh, criticism 23:00:03 <mfb-> cash 23:00:08 <V453000> !getsave http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/psg227_z.sav 23:00:10 <PublicServer> V453000: OK :-) 23:00:25 <mfb-> rham: just wait a minute 23:00:33 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 23:00:34 <V453000> !rcon server_pw 23:00:35 <PublicServer> V453000: Current value for 'server_password' is: 'fester' 23:00:36 <V453000> !auto 23:00:36 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode. 23:00:50 <Rhamphoryncus> do do do 23:00:51 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 23:00:51 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 23:01:07 <PublicServer> <mfb> thanks 23:01:07 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 23:01:09 <PublicServer> *** bassals joined the game 23:01:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> sure 23:01:18 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus joined the game 23:01:37 <PublicServer> *** Rhamphoryncus joined the game 23:14:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> omg 23:14:17 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> lol, right in your path? 23:14:23 <PublicServer> <mfb> I guess what is "omg" 23:14:31 <PublicServer> <mfb> but what did you see? 23:15:13 <bassals> what is it about? 23:16:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> 111kmh out of 112 23:16:55 <PublicServer> <mfb> ah, that is the 1km/h thing 23:17:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> we can limit trains to 111 if you want 23:17:12 <PublicServer> <bassals> write 113 23:17:18 <PublicServer> <mfb> that means that s-bends do not matter at all 23:17:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 23:17:28 <PublicServer> <mfb> nice 23:20:08 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:20:41 *** Phoenix_the_II has quit IRC 23:20:56 <PublicServer> <mfb> that is an interesting design 23:22:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> what is? 23:25:46 <PublicServer> <mfb> the expansion will be interesting 23:27:33 <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm 23:27:34 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:27:39 <PublicServer> <mfb> why not like this? 23:27:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> fair point 23:31:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> nooo my Sbends 23:31:38 <PublicServer> <mfb> :D 23:31:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> that just looks odd 23:40:53 <PublicServer> <mfb> wtf 23:41:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> ? 23:41:33 <PublicServer> <mfb> I forgot a line 23:41:44 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> eh, who's counting 23:41:53 <PublicServer> <mfb> I had a plan where this should be 23:42:01 <PublicServer> <mfb> now I have other lines there 23:42:07 <PublicServer> <mfb> :( 23:42:26 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> I designed a nice massive hub a bit ago.. and forgot to let trains turn left 23:45:53 <PublicServer> <mfb> btw: we have bad slopes 23:46:04 <PublicServer> <mfb> is that part of the design? 23:46:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> trying stuff 23:46:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> it can be changed in MP 23:46:38 <PublicServer> <mfb> well, it is your map :p 23:49:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> ha 23:49:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> see !cl 23:50:03 <PublicServer> <mfb> well.. nice 23:50:17 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> what if the limit is 113? 23:50:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> wont go above 111 23:51:00 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> alright, answers that 23:52:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm 23:52:48 <PublicServer> <mfb> which number did you type? 112? 23:52:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 23:52:56 <PublicServer> <mfb> as 111 became 110 23:53:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> probably 23:53:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> I used 111 to be the final 23:53:46 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> umm :P 23:53:56 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> are you plotting death? 23:54:00 <PublicServer> <mfb> ? 23:54:06 <PublicServer> <mfb> they are identical 23:54:13 <PublicServer> <mfb> they don't crash 23:54:31 <PublicServer> <Rhamphoryncus> Could have sworn one got paused 23:54:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> or if someone evil stops them 23:54:47 <PublicServer> <mfb> that was not me :( 23:54:53 <PublicServer> <mfb> well, of course 23:59:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will be going for today