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00:16:07 *** dwarf has joined #openttdcoop 00:16:08 <dwarf> !players 00:16:10 <PublicServer> dwarf: There are currently no clients connected to the server 00:16:35 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 00:16:38 <PublicServer> *** dwarf joined the game 00:25:37 <PublicServer> *** dwarf has left the game (leaving) 01:25:24 *** dwarf has quit IRC 01:30:02 *** Razaekal has joined #openttdcoop 01:30:05 *** Razaekel is now known as Guest955 01:30:05 *** Razaekal is now known as Razaekel 01:35:28 *** Guest955 has quit IRC 01:54:01 *** Rhamphoryncus has joined #openttdcoop 02:10:48 *** nicfer has joined #openttdcoop 02:13:16 <nicfer> what weight multiplier is good to use with NUTS? 02:15:37 *** Giddorah has quit IRC 02:15:44 *** Giddorah has joined #openttdcoop 02:22:49 *** dwarf has joined #openttdcoop 02:23:09 <dwarf> !players 02:23:11 <PublicServer> dwarf: There are currently no clients connected to the server 02:41:51 <Mazth> do you need a second? 03:10:19 <dwarf> i have other stuff to do.... 03:13:05 <Mazth> =) other stuff must be done too :P 03:32:25 *** Rythoka has joined #openttdcoop 03:32:39 <Rythoka> Hello 03:32:47 <Rythoka> @quickstart 03:32:48 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 03:58:48 *** nicfer has left #openttdcoop 04:07:54 *** dwarf has quit IRC 04:24:50 *** theholyduck has quit IRC 04:36:46 *** Rythoka has quit IRC 04:38:09 *** dwarf has joined #openttdcoop 04:38:18 <dwarf> !players 04:38:23 <PublicServer> dwarf: There are currently no clients connected to the server 04:38:23 <dwarf> hi 04:38:27 <dwarf> anyone? 05:21:14 *** Giddorah has quit IRC 05:24:30 <Mazth> hi :) 05:25:12 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 05:25:12 <PublicServer> *** Mazth joined the game 05:26:16 <Mazth> lol with the game paused I can actually look at things 05:37:54 <Mazth> dwarf: you're looking for a second or if someone needs one? 05:42:52 <dwarf> I am looking 05:43:09 <dwarf> are you up for it? 05:44:07 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 05:44:09 <PublicServer> *** dwarf joined the game 05:44:13 <Mazth> I=) 05:46:02 <Mazth> I was just admiring your exit 05:47:05 <PublicServer> *** Mazth has left the game (leaving) 05:47:31 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 05:47:31 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 05:47:33 <PublicServer> *** Mazth joined the game 05:47:46 <PublicServer> <Mazth> ah this works :) 05:48:00 <PublicServer> <Mazth> nowwwwww what should I troll? 05:55:48 <PublicServer> *** Mazth has left the game (general timeout) 05:55:48 <PublicServer> *** Mazth has left the game (connection lost) 05:55:48 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 05:55:51 <Mazth> my pc hates me so much right now 05:56:36 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 05:56:36 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 05:56:39 <PublicServer> *** Mazth joined the game 06:25:47 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 06:40:55 *** pablo has joined #openttdcoop 06:59:46 *** Tray has quit IRC 07:12:44 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 07:15:35 *** TWerkhoven[l] has quit IRC 08:15:42 *** th_gergo has joined #openttdcoop 08:33:06 *** th_gergo has quit IRC 08:50:58 *** th_gergo has joined #openttdcoop 08:58:29 *** th_gergo has quit IRC 08:58:55 *** th_gergo has joined #openttdcoop 09:13:17 *** Hazzard has joined #openttdcoop 09:13:50 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 09:16:31 <Hazzard> Hello 09:40:21 <pablo> new map for welcome server? 09:40:59 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 09:59:01 <Mark> !players 09:59:03 <PublicServer> Mark: Client 965 (Orange) is Mazth, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 09:59:03 <PublicServer> Mark: Client 959 (Orange) is dwarf, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 09:59:20 <dwarf> hi mark 10:01:08 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 10:02:15 <Mark> hiya 10:02:24 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 10:04:09 <pablo> @quickstart 10:04:10 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 10:04:41 <pablo> !help 10:04:41 <PublicServer> pablo: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 10:24:15 <PublicServer> <dwarf> okay, time to sleep 10:24:31 <PublicServer> <dwarf> are you building? 10:28:53 <PublicServer> <dwarf> hmmm 10:29:21 <PublicServer> <dwarf> I just saw a transmitter tower disappear 10:29:49 <PublicServer> <dwarf> I thought obstacles are there forever 10:30:36 <Hazzard> Not with cheats on 10:31:03 <PublicServer> <dwarf> and what is the cheat to remove it? 10:31:18 <Hazzard> Magic Bulldozer 10:31:31 <Hazzard> Vrum vrum 10:32:47 <PublicServer> <dwarf> ah, so towns can use it 10:32:57 <PublicServer> <dwarf> but can I use it? 10:35:59 <Hazzard> Sure 10:36:15 <PublicServer> <dwarf> ah, I see now 10:36:27 <PublicServer> <dwarf> I just didn't know 11:02:07 *** th_gergo has quit IRC 11:14:24 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 11:14:54 *** th_gergo has joined #openttdcoop 11:17:13 <PublicServer> *** dwarf has left the game (leaving) 11:17:13 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 11:17:39 *** th_gergo has left #openttdcoop 11:18:01 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:18:01 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 11:18:04 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 11:29:19 *** Giddorah has joined #openttdcoop 11:36:04 <PublicServer> *** Mazth has left the game (leaving) 11:36:04 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 11:36:46 <Mazth> gtg! ciaociao 11:37:14 *** dwarf has quit IRC 11:40:25 <Hazzard> What do you guys think? http://i.imgur.com/oNtwp.png 11:41:07 <Hazzard> (I didn't make most of the cargos) 11:58:35 <Mazth> the carts are powered? 11:59:18 <Mazth> i like the smooth edges 11:59:30 <Hazzard> Its a hovertruck grf I am working on :) 12:00:51 <Mazth> so they are trucks =) 12:01:14 <Mazth> (lol first time I see a grf :P) 12:02:17 <Ammler> the license sucks :-) 12:02:52 <Mazth> hovertruck sounds good...no wheeldrag, fast turning 12:05:52 <Mazth> nice detail on the bus windows 12:06:25 *** pugi has quit IRC 12:06:48 <Mazth> what sort of stats are you going to the trucks? 12:07:06 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 12:11:35 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (leaving) 12:29:27 <Hazzard> Mazth: Max speed is around 230 12:29:29 <Hazzard> km/hr 12:30:06 <Hazzard> cargo capacity is less then the other "good" trucks because it would way it down :P 12:31:04 <Hazzard> Ammler: I am not a lawyer, so I am not sure I have a choice which licence I choose because it is partially based on other grfs :P 12:31:27 <Hazzard> And back up a bit, why does the licence suck? 12:44:09 <Ammler> the NC part is not compatible with openttd GPL, the only good license 12:44:33 <Ammler> Hazzard: ^ 12:44:57 <Hazzard> Ok 12:45:46 <Ammler> but it's better as no license, though 12:46:17 <Hazzard> But the grf I am basing it on use CC BY-NC-SA so I guess GPL is not simular enough to change it 12:46:57 <Ammler> license changes is mostly only possible with accept of every single contributor 12:47:34 <Ammler> that is why I tell you that early :-P 12:48:20 <Ammler> maybe you can convince the others to change the license to gpl 12:48:43 <Hazzard> Maybe they are still active on the forums 12:49:03 <XeryusTC> !info 12:49:03 <PublicServer> XeryusTC: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Hunbourne Transport' Year Founded: 2100 Money: 17006706480 Loan: 0 Value: 17013110720 (T:1751, R:169, P:13, S:5) unprotected 12:50:14 <XeryusTC> @Ammler> the NC part is not compatible with openttd GPL, the only good license <- i wouldnt say that GPL is the only good license 12:50:41 <Ammler> XeryusTC: well, in the openttd world, it is :-) 12:51:47 <Ammler> you know a better license compatible with gpl 2.0 and "force" for opensource 12:55:31 <planetmaker> if they are still active, Hazzard, that might be the best idea to ask them. 12:55:48 <Hazzard> It seems they are still active 12:56:03 <planetmaker> Hazzard, if you just want to change some vehicle stats, then you might consider to write an add-on NewGRF for that very NewGRF. That can then have its completely independent license 12:56:10 <planetmaker> which NewGRF do we talk about, Hazzard? 12:56:19 <Ammler> if you can't change the license, no need to stop dev on it, it just would be worth the question 12:56:37 <Hazzard> HoverBus and eGRVTS 12:56:58 <planetmaker> ah, egrvts by Zephyris. He surely will agree. But you have to ask, of course 12:58:23 <Ammler> at least you have to ask one person only, lucky guy :-) 12:58:32 <planetmaker> the hoverbus is by another person 12:58:41 <planetmaker> iirc 12:58:48 <Ammler> the austrian guy 12:59:15 <Ammler> roujin 12:59:29 <planetmaker> oh, him? 12:59:37 <planetmaker> well, he'd probably agree, too 12:59:41 <Ammler> well, from my head that is 12:59:50 <planetmaker> I thought it was Bob-whoever 12:59:56 <Ammler> he uses the same license because he had to 13:00:48 <Hazzard> Yeah, that's what it seems 13:01:10 <Hazzard> Copyright logistics is giving me a headache 13:01:33 <hylje> that's an intended feature of copyright 13:01:37 <hylje> gotta give work to lawyers 13:03:09 <Ammler> that is wy I would recommend GPL only 13:03:23 <Hazzard> I wish GPL had a readable interpretation 13:03:26 <Hazzard> maybe it does 13:03:38 <hylje> if you want readability just go CC-BY or BSD 13:04:08 <Ammler> hmm, we just learned that CC licenses are crap :-P 13:04:20 <Hazzard> How so? 13:04:27 <Ammler> no source sharing forced 13:04:30 <planetmaker> hylje, the problem with both is: they don't require _open_ source 13:04:46 <hylje> planetmaker: that's not a problem 13:04:58 <Ammler> why not? 13:05:05 <planetmaker> It very much is, if you want to maintains (old) NewGRFs 13:05:13 <hylje> it's a good thing since it encourages people to do whatever they want, even if they don't want to open their changes immediately 13:05:20 <hylje> the originals remain free 13:05:48 <Ammler> he? 13:05:52 <planetmaker> That's commercially good under some circumstances. But in terms of NewGRF development it's bullshit 13:06:15 <planetmaker> but mostly it's good for the one who can rip-off the open source software and sell his mods 13:07:01 <hylje> well if you get people who don't want to give back, they're not going to do anything with copyleft stuff either 13:07:04 <hylje> no value lost 13:07:43 <planetmaker> exactly. I don't want anyone take my work, which I happily share, make some maybe nice mods and NOT give that back under the same conditions I share 13:08:30 <planetmaker> But I *DO* want everyone to be able to mod, extent or continue the stuff I do. Because the results may be better than I could do. Or will do. Or want do 13:08:30 <hylje> that's just your opinion, not fact 13:08:44 <hylje> someone else is perfectly entitled to give his stuff away at reasonable conditions 13:08:58 <planetmaker> I think my conditions are quite reasonable 13:09:25 <Ammler> hylje: I am not sure, you talk on topic or just generic license talk 13:09:34 <planetmaker> But everyone who wants to not follow these, my, terms, please never look at any of my source code 13:10:24 <planetmaker> he's red-herring away from the topic at hand: NewGRF licenses. 13:10:32 <planetmaker> to general licenses. I think 13:10:43 <planetmaker> just to make a point besides the point ;-) 13:11:20 <hylje> public domain is exactly as good as copyleft for newgrf 13:11:43 <planetmaker> No, it's not 13:12:08 <planetmaker> The open source code is what makes it MUCH easier to adopt old newgrfs to new changes of OpenTTD 13:12:19 <hylje> the originals stay open source 13:12:34 <hylje> regardless of whatever the fuck someone else sees best to do, it's better if they also publish that 13:13:05 <planetmaker> It's better if they publish their changes. So that the evolution can continue. 13:13:30 <hylje> but if they don't agree with your copyleft conditions? they'll simply not publish to comply with them 13:13:38 <planetmaker> That's fine with me 13:13:50 <hylje> so not publishing is better than publishing non-free? 13:14:27 <planetmaker> This game lives from contributions and that anyone can take the game forward. Yes, I think "nothing is better than non-free" under these conditions in this environment 13:16:13 <hylje> so a not perfect contribution is worse than no contribution at all? 13:17:09 <planetmaker> It's something I won't support. And definitely not advise, if people ask. Anyone of course can do that. But surely such behaviour is not worth support 13:17:14 <planetmaker> as it's inevitably a dead-end 13:18:46 <hylje> it's not a dead end 13:19:00 <hylje> as some people may *gasp* voluntarily release their stuff to the public domain 13:19:49 <hylje> i think people should be encouraged to contribute in any fashion they see fit 13:20:30 <planetmaker> They can. But if people ask for advise, I'll always recommend to choose GPL. It ensures that things can be carried on 13:20:46 <planetmaker> Without that license we'd not have this game at all. 13:21:02 <planetmaker> and what can be better for mods than the very same license? 13:21:16 *** Shadi has joined #openttdcoop 13:21:23 <Shadi> hello 13:21:30 <planetmaker> hi 13:21:49 <Shadi> i needed to wait for ban expire? 13:22:02 <planetmaker> excuse me? 13:22:35 <planetmaker> I'm not aware that we deal out temporary bans ;-) 13:22:45 <planetmaker> Nor do I recall your nick by heart, but... 13:24:56 <Shadi> know ban lastest my ip 13:25:10 <Shadi> unfair 13:25:55 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop 13:26:17 *** Shadi has quit IRC 13:34:28 *** pablo has quit IRC 13:35:22 <Hazzard> what about GPLv3? 13:35:26 <Hazzard> !ping 13:35:26 <PublicServer> Hazzard: pong 13:36:32 <Hazzard> Are there any important differences between v2 and v3? 13:38:11 <planetmaker> Yes, though I can't quote them by heart. They're not considered exactly compatible... 13:42:59 *** TWerkhoven[l] has joined #openttdcoop 13:46:08 <V453000> right so I am directly destroying everything just because my contribution involves only open licensed sprites 13:46:09 <V453000> :D 13:48:24 <planetmaker> your license is in my eyes an example of... well, let's put it as euphemism: how to rape creatively the spirit of a license 13:49:11 <V453000> well people can use the stuff but not mess on my playground 13:49:35 <planetmaker> Could they, if you released the source? Would they? 13:49:52 <hylje> nobody can take your playground but they can make a copy and shit that up 13:50:21 <planetmaker> But would need to call it by another name 13:50:23 * Hazzard is looking up V453000's license 13:50:38 <V453000> I doubt someone would just simply take all of the sprites and recode them hylje, and if so, I guess it would be a completely different name 13:50:38 <V453000> and it would also work differently 13:50:56 <V453000> so in other words I think that is open to people "inventing" a new way how a newGRF works, but they dont want to draw it 13:50:58 <planetmaker> No-one but you can update the bananas entry anyway. No-one can upload the same grfID on bananas 13:51:08 *** pugi has quit IRC 13:51:21 <CornishPasty> hehehehe, bananas 13:51:30 <V453000> I guess 13:51:47 <hylje> BANANAS 13:52:08 <planetmaker> and should you be hit by a train or car - god my avoid that - you grf would be lost nonetheless. No-one even with the same or very similar idea could continue it 13:52:17 <planetmaker> Which is the whole point of _open source_ 13:52:22 <V453000> yes which I understand 13:52:34 <V453000> I will just hope such a thing isnt going to happen in the near future 13:52:52 <Hazzard> Hmm, where can I read your license? 13:52:57 <planetmaker> ingame... 13:53:09 <planetmaker> or unpack the tar and read the license file 13:53:14 <Hazzard> damn technology has got me again 13:53:15 <planetmaker> or the readme. Dunno 13:53:19 <Hazzard> why is everything so simple 13:55:08 <planetmaker> In any case, V453000 license ensures that it won't survive beyond him and thus it's a dead-end NewGRF 13:55:27 <planetmaker> or rather his interest in the game and this particular NewGRF 13:55:31 <V453000> yes. 13:55:46 <planetmaker> with that attitude we'd not have OpenTTD in the first place 13:55:53 <planetmaker> And thus I find it so sad 13:56:50 <planetmaker> just make sure to please not look at the source code of my NewGRFs for reference ;-) 13:59:42 <Hazzard> hmm 13:59:52 <Hazzard> Maybe I will take some cargo sprites from NUTS 13:59:58 *** roboboy has quit IRC 14:01:06 <planetmaker> btw, V453000, you should rather change it to a CC-BY license for the sprites. 14:01:19 <planetmaker> You haven't provided any "source" for them anyway so far 14:01:20 <V453000> what difference does that make 14:01:27 <V453000> no, not so far 14:01:39 <hylje> CC-BY is closest to public domain you can get 14:01:41 <V453000> I intend to though 14:01:42 <planetmaker> but made a number of releases. None came with the "source" for the graphics 14:01:54 <planetmaker> you'd need to publish it with each release by terms of GPL 14:02:08 <planetmaker> The exact one which corresponds to that release 14:02:38 <planetmaker> Thus I technically have the right to ask you for the version of the original graphics (gimp? photoshop?) as which they were at version 0.0.1 14:02:57 <planetmaker> the decoded sprites surely aren't the "source" - or do you draw without layers etc? 14:03:15 <V453000> I see ... yes I actually do draw without layers but still 14:03:35 <planetmaker> then the difference is marginal, I guess. 14:03:36 <V453000> the decoded sprites are the tiny sprites only anyway I guess, not the whole file 14:03:56 <planetmaker> do you draw them in bigger? 14:04:01 <planetmaker> and then scale down? 14:04:07 <V453000> uh no 14:04:36 <V453000> but in my files I have a lot of stuff like separate cargo sprites that arent on wagons yet ect 14:04:40 <V453000> which could be very useful 14:04:48 <planetmaker> see. That's part of the source 14:04:48 <V453000> either way, have to go for now 14:05:01 <planetmaker> May I request that? :-D 14:06:02 <planetmaker> But thus it'll be easier for you to just say "Sprites can be used under the terms of CC-BY" 14:06:28 <planetmaker> And as a result everyone could still include them in whatever NewGRF 14:20:19 <Hazzard> woops 14:20:24 <Hazzard> lol 14:20:33 <Hazzard> @wiki curve length speed 14:20:36 <Webster> Hazzard: I didn't find anything for "curve length speed", but here's the result for "Ruleset": 14:20:37 <Webster> Hazzard: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Ruleset 14:20:38 <Webster> Hazzard: Rules are used to ease the cooperative gameplay. Do not think of rules as laws, being punished if you don't follow them, but rules as a cornerstone to play together. 14:20:44 <Hazzard> @wiki curve speed 14:20:45 <Webster> Hazzard: I didn't find anything for "curve speed", but here's the result for "Max Curve Speed": 14:20:46 <Webster> Hazzard: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Max_Curve_Speed 14:20:47 <Webster> Hazzard: The speed a normal rail curve allows can be calculated using the following formula: 14:51:32 <V453000> ok pm thanks for the hint :) 14:58:22 *** Tray has quit IRC 15:00:43 *** soloswitch has joined #openttdcoop 15:00:51 <soloswitch> !password 15:00:51 <PublicServer> soloswitch: golder 15:01:02 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:01:05 <PublicServer> *** soloswitch joined the game 15:01:42 <Hazzard> Night 15:01:47 *** Hazzard has quit IRC 15:01:47 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> hi 15:02:03 <soloswitch> oh 15:03:18 <PublicServer> *** soloswitch has left the game (leaving) 15:03:23 *** soloswitch has quit IRC 15:13:43 *** theholyduck has joined #openttdcoop 15:22:08 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 15:47:17 *** nicfer has joined #openttdcoop 16:04:07 *** leg3nd has joined #openttdcoop 16:11:07 <nicfer> what weight multiplier is good to use with NUTS? 16:11:23 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 16:23:45 <V453000> 1 16:26:39 *** Rhamphoryncus_ has joined #openttdcoop 16:28:04 *** Rhamphoryncus_ has quit IRC 17:02:31 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:02:32 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 17:02:37 *** mfb- has joined #openttdcoop 17:02:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mfb- 17:02:40 <mfb-> hi 17:05:18 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 17:09:26 *** soloswitch has joined #openttdcoop 17:09:27 <soloswitch> !password 17:09:27 <PublicServer> soloswitch: golder 17:09:42 <soloswitch> password still the same haha been golder for 2-3 days now 17:09:44 <PublicServer> *** soloswitch has left the game (connection lost) 17:09:46 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:09:55 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:09:55 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 17:09:56 <PublicServer> *** soloswitch joined the game 17:09:57 <PublicServer> <mfb> or the same again 17:10:15 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> it rorates every 5 minutes right? 17:10:19 <PublicServer> <mfb> 15 I think 17:10:25 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> rotates 17:10:32 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> ok ill check again 17:11:02 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> i find it funny that a local save is faster than playing on the server 17:11:20 <mfb-> hmm 17:11:34 <mfb-> ok, it did not rotate during the last days 17:11:39 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> :) 17:14:42 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> also thanks for adding the 3rd line nr lugnut 17:23:50 *** nicfer has left #openttdcoop 17:25:36 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> oh the lag is painful 17:29:01 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop 17:32:49 <XeryusTC> soloswitch: it´s because there are too many trains for your pc to handle ;) 17:33:00 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> nah it was ok with an autosave 17:33:14 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> played really well 17:33:15 <XeryusTC> servers require more cpu 17:33:22 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> shame 17:33:23 <XeryusTC> well, playing online requires more cpu 17:33:35 <XeryusTC> but it might also be because the server isnt able to keep up that well 17:33:44 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> what is more likely 17:35:15 <XeryusTC> well 17:35:19 <XeryusTC> our server is quite beefy 17:35:25 <XeryusTC> and it doesnt have to render 17:35:47 <PublicServer> <mfb> sometimes it is slow 17:35:47 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> what would it be like if it did all the rendering? 17:35:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> but I did not see any correlation with train numbers 17:42:16 <XeryusTC> it is caused by the amount of calls to the pathfinder though 17:42:26 <XeryusTC> which correlates with the amount of trains and network complexity 17:43:04 <PublicServer> <mfb> for most trains, our network is quite simple here 17:43:06 <XeryusTC> yeah i know 17:43:20 <XeryusTC> which is why it surprised me that it started running slow at 1k2 trains 17:43:54 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> is it pbs then? 17:44:24 <PublicServer> <mfb> in case of doubt, blame PBS :D 17:44:30 <soloswitch> :D 17:44:40 <XeryusTC> that, or cargo transfers possibly :o 17:44:48 <PublicServer> <mfb> however, most pbs systems here are not too complicated 17:44:56 <soloswitch> how would cargo transfers slow the game down 17:45:16 <XeryusTC> because cargo packets need to be updated etc 17:45:40 <PublicServer> <mfb> 460 stations 17:45:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> o/ 17:45:46 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 17:45:47 <XeryusTC> although it should not cause too much of a slowdown 17:45:49 <PublicServer> <mfb> h 17:45:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 17:45:55 <XeryusTC> hey V453000 17:46:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> wow the maglev part brings a lot more pax than my part takes now 17:46:35 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> no suprise 17:46:39 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> tbh 17:46:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> while west is quite balanced 17:47:03 <PublicServer> <mfb> and maglev takes more than erail brings 17:47:22 <PublicServer> *** soloswitch has left the game (connection lost) 17:47:29 <soloswitch> had to bail out 17:47:37 <soloswitch> zoomed out 17:47:40 <soloswitch> too much lag cant zoom in 17:47:40 <soloswitch> :P 17:47:47 <PublicServer> <mfb> lol 17:47:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will just make the town biggeR :) 17:48:18 <soloswitch> hopefully mfbs new town should clear the backlog of 30k pax 17:48:34 <soloswitch> lots of trains 17:48:35 <soloswitch> :D 17:51:24 <PublicServer> <mfb> lots of dummies to do :( 17:51:26 *** st-6374 has joined #openttdcoop 17:53:28 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has joined #openttdcoop 17:53:44 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Hi 17:53:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 17:54:45 <soloswitch> hi 17:54:47 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has quit IRC 17:54:52 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has joined #openttdcoop 17:54:55 <soloswitch> hows your new job then chris? 17:55:10 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Good thanks 17:55:28 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Got a brand new dell xps with i7 desktop 17:55:29 <soloswitch> what machine did they give you? anything as good as a mbp 17"? 17:55:34 <soloswitch> nice 17:55:48 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Daul 10 17:56:01 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Dual 19" 1080p screens 17:56:13 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Very nice setup but no MacBook 17:56:24 <soloswitch> dual 19" bit small? :P 17:56:58 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Not with 1960x1080 resolution 17:57:46 <soloswitch> quite good dpi then 17:57:57 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Yes very good dpi 17:58:10 <soloswitch> better than those 27" 1080 panels you see nowadays :) 17:58:21 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Lol 17:58:27 <soloswitch> seriously 17:58:34 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Makes a 50" hd tv look like poo 17:58:44 <soloswitch> thats heresy :P 27" = 2560x1400 imho 17:58:52 <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm soloswitch 17:59:10 <PublicServer> <mfb> did you add the eyecandy at rontburg? 17:59:25 <soloswitch> yeah looks a bit samey doesnt it :P 17:59:34 <soloswitch> ill admit i was lazy 17:59:36 <PublicServer> <mfb> check branch and upper 17:59:46 <PublicServer> <mfb> :D 17:59:53 <soloswitch> oh anything that isnt rontburg s-bahn x 18:00:04 <soloswitch> was built after the inital construction 18:00:18 <PublicServer> <mfb> ah that rontburg 18:00:25 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Lol 18:00:42 <Chris_Booth[ph]> Are my coal station still in that area? 18:00:50 <PublicServer> <mfb> coal? 18:01:12 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ has joined #openttdcoop 18:01:12 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has quit IRC 18:01:12 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ is now known as Chris_Booth[ph] 18:01:40 <soloswitch> chris, did you see my ghetto transfer trains? 18:06:43 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ has joined #openttdcoop 18:06:43 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has quit IRC 18:06:44 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ is now known as Chris_Booth[ph] 18:10:57 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has quit IRC 18:23:30 *** st-6374 has quit IRC 18:26:45 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop 18:41:45 *** Blood has joined #openttdcoop 18:42:09 *** Blood has left #openttdcoop 18:42:20 <PublicServer> *** dwarf joined the game 18:42:46 *** Blood_of_Fire has joined #openttdcoop 18:45:57 *** Blood_of_Fire has quit IRC 18:46:18 *** Blood_of_Fire has joined #openttdcoop 18:48:30 *** Blood_of_Fire has quit IRC 18:48:47 *** Firestar has joined #openttdcoop 18:48:56 <Firestar> hello 18:49:01 <Firestar> !date 18:49:02 <PublicServer> Firestar: 20 Dec 2383 18:49:08 <Firestar> !password 18:49:08 <PublicServer> Firestar: golder 18:50:30 <Firestar> !players 18:50:33 <PublicServer> Firestar: Client 1109 (Orange) is mfb, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 18:50:33 <PublicServer> Firestar: Client 1139 (Orange) is dwarf, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 18:50:33 <PublicServer> Firestar: Client 1124 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 18:51:07 <PublicServer> *** Firestar joined the game 18:54:08 <PublicServer> *** Firestar has left the game (leaving) 18:54:11 *** Firestar has left #openttdcoop 18:55:28 *** soloswitch has quit IRC 18:56:21 *** soloswitch has joined #openttdcoop 18:56:22 <soloswitch> lets see if i can actually join the server this time 18:56:23 <soloswitch> !password 18:56:23 <PublicServer> soloswitch: golder 18:56:40 <PublicServer> *** soloswitch joined the game 18:59:52 *** th_gergo has joined #openttdcoop 19:01:21 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> is that final bit of chindingstone ever going to be completed 19:02:18 *** dwarf has joined #openttdcoop 19:03:04 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 19:03:15 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi 19:04:31 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol @ Island taken /Cermix 19:04:45 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> wow 19:04:51 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> its still empty :P 19:05:30 *** dr_gonzo_ has joined #openttdcoop 19:05:53 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 19:07:37 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> all i good in slug york now after i finished that sbahn 19:07:41 <PublicServer> <soloswitch> *is 19:21:12 <PublicServer> *** soloswitch has left the game (connection lost) 19:21:14 *** soloswitch has quit IRC 19:21:32 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 19:45:54 *** TWerkhoven[l] has quit IRC 19:50:11 *** th_gergo has quit IRC 19:54:20 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 19:54:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 19:56:53 *** th_gergo has joined #openttdcoop 19:59:52 <PublicServer> <dwarf> gtg 19:59:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> cu 19:59:58 <PublicServer> <dwarf> are you doing sg? 20:00:13 <PublicServer> <dwarf> ok, bye then 20:00:17 <mfb-> !unpause 20:00:17 <PublicServer> *** mfb- has unpaused the server. (Use !auto to set it back.) 20:00:19 <PublicServer> *** dwarf has left the game (leaving) 20:00:31 <PublicServer> <mfb> no 20:00:38 <PublicServer> <mfb> eh.. I meant np 20:00:51 <dwarf> ;D 20:02:05 *** TWerkhoven[l] has joined #openttdcoop 20:06:21 <mfb-> !auto 20:06:21 <PublicServer> *** mfb- has enabled autopause mode. 20:06:22 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 20:06:47 <PublicServer> *** mfb has left the game (leaving) 20:08:48 <th_gergo> !password 20:08:48 <PublicServer> th_gergo: golder 20:09:00 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 20:09:01 <PublicServer> *** thgergo joined the game 20:12:33 <PublicServer> *** thgergo has left the game (leaving) 20:16:56 *** th_gergo has left #openttdcoop 20:28:27 <XeryusTC> oh 20:28:35 <XeryusTC> thgergo comes around again :o 20:28:37 <XeryusTC> how random 20:30:34 <Chris_Booth> oh no 20:42:06 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 20:50:56 *** ODM has quit IRC 20:52:50 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 20:52:53 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 21:00:45 *** leg3nd has quit IRC 21:00:54 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 21:04:38 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 21:04:41 <PublicServer> *** dwarf joined the game 21:07:21 <mfb-> !playercount 21:07:21 <PublicServer> mfb-: Number of players: 4 (0 spectators) 21:07:28 <mfb-> wtf 21:07:30 <mfb-> !player 21:07:31 <mfb-> !players 21:07:34 <PublicServer> mfb-: Client 1175 (Orange) is Tray, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 21:07:34 <PublicServer> mfb-: Client 1180 (Orange) is dwarf, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 21:07:34 <PublicServer> <dwarf> ? 21:07:41 <mfb-> playercount = 4 21:08:42 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 21:08:44 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 21:08:54 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:09:01 <mfb-> !auto 21:09:01 <PublicServer> *** mfb- has enabled autopause mode. 21:09:31 <mfb-> !rcon set min_active_clients 21:09:31 <PublicServer> mfb-: Current value for 'min_active_clients' is: '255' (min: 0, max: 255) 21:09:38 <mfb-> great, we need 255 players to play 21:09:43 <mfb-> !rcon set min_active_clients 2 21:09:44 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 21:09:48 <PublicServer> <dwarf> :D 21:09:59 *** Big_Meech has joined #openttdcoop 21:10:19 <Big_Meech> hi 21:10:19 *** dr_gonzo_ has quit IRC 21:10:39 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 21:11:06 <Big_Meech> hey 21:11:08 <Big_Meech> !players 21:11:11 <PublicServer> Big_Meech: Client 1175 (Orange) is Tray, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 21:11:11 <PublicServer> Big_Meech: Client 1180 (Orange) is dwarf, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 21:11:11 <PublicServer> Big_Meech: Client 1181 (Orange) is mfb, in company 1 (Hunbourne Transport) 21:14:37 *** Rhamphoryncus has quit IRC 21:14:39 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 21:19:16 <PublicServer> <mfb> bonhill city central exit :D 21:19:50 <PublicServer> <mfb> looks like all 33 trains are waiting there 21:20:12 <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm I count 29 21:26:53 <Big_Meech> I count 30 21:27:28 <PublicServer> <mfb> maybe some unjamming 21:33:16 *** Tray has quit IRC 21:33:17 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (connection lost) 21:36:21 <Big_Meech> !password 21:36:21 <PublicServer> Big_Meech: golder 21:37:41 <PublicServer> *** Big Meech has left the game (processing map took too long) 21:37:41 <PublicServer> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 21:37:57 <Big_Meech> sorry, my connection wont be good enough for this game xD 21:38:14 <PublicServer> <mfb> usually it is not the connection 21:38:33 <Big_Meech> it is, i cant even download 50% of the savegame ebfore it disconnects me 21:38:39 <PublicServer> <mfb> ok 21:38:46 <Big_Meech> my fastest dl speed is around 80k/second 21:38:57 *** Rythoka has joined #openttdcoop 21:39:06 <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm, maglev has a bad line distribution 21:39:23 <Rythoka> Oh, there's actually people online here during the day? Neat 21:39:34 <Big_Meech> sometimes ;) 21:39:34 <PublicServer> <mfb> the inner two lines at the main stations go to north, the other 3 to east 21:39:38 <PublicServer> <mfb> +- some lost trains :D 21:39:57 <PublicServer> <mfb> Rythoka: what do you expect, more activity at 5 am? 21:40:10 <Big_Meech> depends where inthe world at 5am 21:40:45 <Rythoka> Eh, I was online around midnight US Central time yesterday 21:41:19 <Big_Meech> yeah, at that time its like 5 / 6am in europe, where most of the team is actually 21:41:30 <Rythoka> *shrug* 21:41:45 <Big_Meech> Im east 1 time zone from you ythoka 21:41:51 <Big_Meech> *rythoka 21:42:11 <Rythoka> :3 21:43:01 <mfb-> :D 21:43:35 <mfb-> if you see any time here, it is usually CET 21:44:34 <Rythoka> gotcha 21:46:20 <Rythoka> So I guess I'm basically relearning ttd right now 21:46:33 <Rythoka> I've always just gone at it not really sure what I'm doing 21:47:09 <mfb-> http://wiki.openttd.org/Main_Page & http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Tutorial_Savegame :) 21:48:51 <Big_Meech> learn by doing ;) 21:53:01 <Big_Meech> you can learn a lot in the welcome server too 21:54:13 <Big_Meech> could give you a hand if you just ask also in the w/s 22:03:01 <PublicServer> *** mfb has left the game (leaving) 22:03:01 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 22:05:55 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:10:18 <PublicServer> *** dwarf has left the game (leaving) 22:14:37 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 22:14:39 <PublicServer> *** dwarf joined the game 22:15:27 <PublicServer> *** dwarf has left the game (leaving) 22:18:54 *** TWerkhoven[l] has quit IRC 22:22:47 *** theholyduck has quit IRC 22:23:39 *** dwarf has quit IRC 22:25:53 *** Hazzard_ has joined #openttdcoop 22:30:50 <Hazzard_> V453000: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/The_World%27s_Water_Supply 22:31:15 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 22:32:36 <mfb-> wtf 22:32:59 <Rythoka> TIL how signal blocks work :3 22:35:48 *** dwarf has joined #openttdcoop 22:38:03 <dwarf> !players 22:38:05 <PublicServer> dwarf: There are currently no clients connected to the server 22:39:05 *** mfb- has quit IRC 22:43:33 <Hazzard> Who has wiki deletehammer power? 22:50:09 *** dwarf has quit IRC 23:00:12 <Big_Meech> I wanna know what it said xD 23:00:25 <Big_Meech> I wanted to learn about the water supply 23:02:39 <Hazzard> Sure: http://tinyurl.com/7fsq23l any of those wikis will help you :P 23:02:40 <Webster> Title: The Earth is a big place and nearly three quarters of it is covered in water - surely that's enough for everyone? It is now estimated we have over 3,000,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of it, dispersed not only in oceans, rivers and lakes but also under the ground as well as in the air and clouds. This amount of water is kept constant due the continuous water (or hydrologic) cycle of the earth. As rain falls, it fills the lakes and rivers which flow into the sea where it evaporates into the air as water vapour, forms into clouds and deposits it back again as rainfall. Oceans contain about 98% of the total amount of water on earth, with 1.6% of the remaining 2% being locked up in the polar ice caps and glaciers. - Google Search (at tinyurl.com) 23:02:49 <Hazzard> Silly webster 23:02:57 <Hazzard> *facepalm* 23:05:21 <Hazzard> Big_Meech ^^ 23:13:33 *** Rythoka has quit IRC 23:35:38 <Big_Meech> aaah 23:35:42 <Big_Meech> I love webster 23:37:00 <Big_Meech> I had no idea there was that much water 23:37:07 <Big_Meech> hmm 23:37:11 <Big_Meech> but, I need that number in litres. 23:46:04 *** Hazzard has quit IRC