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00:08:49 *** loeky has quit IRC 03:34:50 *** stooj has quit IRC 03:35:37 *** stooj has joined #openttdcoop 04:48:49 *** orudge` has quit IRC 04:49:22 *** orudge` has joined #openttdcoop 04:56:18 *** Hiddenfunstuff has joined #openttdcoop 06:48:29 <Arveen> yo V. you awake ? 07:07:41 *** Sova has joined #openttdcoop 08:11:08 <V453000> iz now 08:11:17 <hylje> iz no goud 08:16:46 <Arveen> is it possible for me to disable brix on my client when joining the current PSG ? 08:18:11 <Arveen> when i tried to join the psg it made me download it because its required 08:18:44 <Arveen> its not that i dont like it, but for me everything that is not 8bit has horrible scrolling performance 08:20:55 <V453000> no 08:21:01 <V453000> you can only enable 8bpp blitter 08:21:03 <V453000> try that 08:21:12 <V453000> in openttd.cfg there is a line "blitter" 08:21:29 <V453000> you tried increasing your sprite cache? 08:22:25 <V453000> blitter = "8bpp-optimized" 08:22:32 <V453000> sprite_cache_size_px = 512 08:35:23 *** Hiddenfunstuff has quit IRC 08:42:18 <Arveen> i already got that 08:42:31 <V453000> tried the 8bpp blitter? 08:42:38 <V453000> that effectively disables any 32bpp completely 08:42:45 <Arveen> yes i also have that in the cfg for quiet a while because of NUTS 08:42:48 <V453000> and BRIX is trying to be optimized for that ... it will be better 08:43:05 <V453000> even with 8bpp blitter you have performance issues? 08:43:44 <Arveen> yes 08:44:12 <Arveen> its not that bad because the map is basically empty. but it will get worse as soon as stuff gets build 08:44:21 <Arveen> i always had this issue btw 08:44:22 <V453000> that is seriously weird 08:44:26 <Arveen> yeah 08:44:36 <V453000> so basically 8bpp BRIX is making it worse for you 08:44:41 <V453000> well it could be the pixel count 08:44:43 <V453000> but still 08:45:04 <V453000> well, that is why BRIX is recommended to use not on server but only client side as a static grf 08:45:12 <V453000> for now a "release game" it's on server for now 08:45:16 <Arveen> well 32bpp gfx is unplayable for me 08:45:16 <V453000> can change that 08:45:19 <Arveen> 8bpp is better 08:45:53 <V453000> what kind of computer do you have? 08:46:17 <Arveen> way to good to have those issues heh 08:46:35 <V453000> well I have seen people with powerful workstations have these issues 08:46:47 <V453000> it's some bullshit in processor, you just have "the right one" or not 08:46:59 <V453000> some issue in the implementation of 32bpp I guess 08:47:10 <V453000> but since you have just 8bpp with extra zoom, it's massively weird 08:47:26 <Arveen> got an E3-1230v6 and an i7 7700K atm 08:47:30 <V453000> because you are loading just standard 8bpp times 4 08:47:47 <V453000> while 32bpp with extra zoom is multiple levels of magnitude bigger 08:47:51 <V453000> right 08:49:39 <Arveen> when i change to a small window things get better 08:49:49 <Arveen> but at 4k window its worse 08:49:53 <V453000> well it's clearly a rendering issue 08:49:55 <V453000> but still what the fuck 08:49:56 <V453000> oh 4k 08:49:56 <Arveen> yeah 08:49:57 <V453000> hm 08:50:04 *** Relequestual has joined #openttdcoop 08:50:24 <Arveen> i also noticed the dpi scaling function has something to do with it 08:50:43 <V453000> oh 08:50:53 <V453000> well the dpi scaling has to be disabled otherwise scrolling is utterly broken 08:51:02 <Arveen> yeah i noticed that heh 08:51:04 <V453000> experienced that on laptop 08:51:05 <V453000> yeah 08:52:25 *** Remi_ has joined #openttdcoop 08:52:25 *** Arveen2 has joined #openttdcoop 08:52:35 <Arveen2> got DC'd 08:52:37 *** Lejving_ has joined #openttdcoop 08:53:10 <Arveen2> right now i have DPI disabled and using a font + increased size 08:53:30 <V453000> hm 08:59:08 *** Arveen has quit IRC 08:59:08 *** Lejving has quit IRC 08:59:13 *** Select has quit IRC 08:59:24 <Arveen2> we talked about this issue back at some psg with tl9 snails. i changed to force 8bit on nuts then and it fixed the issue. 09:02:57 <V453000> I have read somewhere that the issue can actually be using both 8bpp AND 32bpp 09:03:10 <V453000> so using something like zbase as base set might actually help when you are using 32bpp 09:03:33 <V453000> but then the question is if it's the data throughput bottleneck, or the mixing of 32bpp and 8bpp 09:03:38 <V453000> only one way to find out I guess 09:03:43 <V453000> but regardless it's annoying as fuck 09:03:54 <V453000> I will try to compile a non-x4zoom BRIX for you to test later 09:04:03 <V453000> just to see how much worse does the x4 zoom of 8bpp make it 09:04:48 <V453000> I am here happy on my 3930K, afraid to upgrade 09:04:54 <V453000> because I have no idea wtf can break 09:08:05 <V453000> I really hate how the 32bpp and zoom is implemented in openttd 09:08:10 <V453000> it should be easy to just remove parts 09:08:26 <Arveen2> aight cool. i will get home in about ~7 hrs 09:18:44 <V453000> Arveen2: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8412/BRIX-8bpp.grf 09:18:46 <V453000> try this 09:18:55 <V453000> fun that it's just 1 MB compared to 80 09:18:58 <V453000> shows the difference 09:19:20 <V453000> 8bpp with EZ is just about 4 MB then 09:19:31 <V453000> and 32bpp another 70 09:22:05 <Arveen2> can i use this with the psg or offline ? 09:23:35 <V453000> try offline first 09:23:47 <V453000> psg will probably still override things 09:24:06 <V453000> this should behave like any 8bpp base set 09:24:25 <V453000> it has some issues and looks totally shit but that shouldn't influence performance 09:25:43 <Arveen2> ok i will check that out when i get home tonight 09:25:58 <V453000> good, I am off to work as well then 09:25:59 <V453000> cya later 09:26:03 <Arveen2> laters 09:27:37 *** loeky has joined #openttdcoop 09:27:55 <loeky> !date 09:27:55 <coopserver> Sep 09 2100 09:30:00 <loeky> !pw 09:30:00 <coopserver> loeky: ontick 09:30:07 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 09:30:08 <coopserver> *** Player has joined 09:30:09 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:30:26 <coopserver> *** Player has changed his/her name to loeky 09:30:49 <coopserver> *** loeky has left the game (Leaving) 10:12:34 *** Sova has quit IRC 10:26:20 *** loeky has quit IRC 10:54:16 *** Sova has joined #openttdcoop 11:12:33 <happpy> !players 11:12:33 <coopserver> happpy: The server is empty, no one is connected. Feel free to remedy this situation 11:27:33 *** StarLite has joined #openttdcoop 11:27:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o StarLite 11:43:23 *** loeky has joined #openttdcoop 11:45:18 *** happpy has quit IRC 12:30:22 *** happpy has joined #openttdcoop 13:33:02 *** Mazur has quit IRC 13:36:07 *** Mazur has joined #openttdcoop 13:36:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mazur 14:05:15 *** stooj has quit IRC 14:05:56 *** stooj has joined #openttdcoop 14:15:59 *** orudge` has quit IRC 14:16:23 *** orudge` has joined #openttdcoop 14:58:27 *** Sova has quit IRC 15:08:56 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 15:34:57 *** happpy_ has joined #openttdcoop 15:42:03 *** happpy has quit IRC 15:43:23 *** happpy_ is now known as happpy 15:53:18 *** loeky has quit IRC 15:57:11 *** Relequestual has quit IRC 16:16:33 <V453000> Jam35: around? :) 16:22:57 <Jam35> hi 16:23:08 <Jam35> V453000 16:23:12 <Jam35> how you doin? 16:24:02 <V453000> you seen blog? :) 16:24:25 <Jam35> Yes seems fine to me 16:24:34 <Jam35> If you want my opinion? :) 16:24:57 <V453000> seems fine to me XD 16:25:07 <Jam35> well ok then :P 16:25:08 <V453000> what do you mean? :D 16:26:01 <Jam35> I mean how you have put things out and done what you have with 8bpp etc 16:26:09 <V453000> yez 16:26:28 <V453000> grate 16:26:31 <V453000> want to play a game? :P 16:26:51 <Jam35> sounds scary :D 16:26:56 <Jam35> I will do yes 16:27:01 <hylje> the only winning move is to not play 16:27:07 <Jam35> but not right atm sorry 16:27:20 <V453000> sure, atm I am busy as fuck with factorio anyway 16:27:27 <V453000> just asking about existence of life around here :) 16:27:34 <V453000> cause seems pretty asleep 16:27:36 <Jam35> oh ok 16:27:48 <Jam35> I will participate all I can 16:28:29 <Jam35> but yeah, by yourself is less fun 16:28:45 <Jam35> so if it's just me again I lose interest... 16:28:57 <V453000> sure thing :) 16:29:55 <Jam35> will look in after various duties :P 16:30:44 <V453000> haha 17:00:24 *** loeky has joined #openttdcoop 17:18:03 *** orudge` has quit IRC 17:18:57 *** orudge` has joined #openttdcoop 17:27:25 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop 17:27:25 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Maraxus 17:39:31 <Maraxus> !pw 17:39:31 <coopserver> Maraxus: sqfile 17:39:43 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 17:39:45 <coopserver> *** Maraxus has joined 17:39:46 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:41:45 <coopserver> *** Maraxus has joined company #1 17:41:46 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 17:44:04 <coopserver> *** Maraxus has joined spectators 17:44:05 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 17:44:13 <coopserver> *** Maraxus has left the game (Leaving) 17:53:41 <Arveen2> yo mr V - you there ? 17:57:53 <Arveen2> !pw 17:57:53 <coopserver> Arveen2: judged 17:58:03 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 17:58:04 <coopserver> *** BlazeTheChildren has joined 17:58:05 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:58:24 <coopserver> *** BlazeTheChildren has left the game (Leaving) 17:58:44 <loeky> !pw 17:58:45 <coopserver> loeky: shifts 17:59:01 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 17:59:02 <coopserver> *** loeky has joined 17:59:03 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:59:33 <coopserver> *** loeky has joined company #1 17:59:34 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 17:59:52 <coopserver> *** loeky has joined spectators 17:59:53 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 18:03:15 <coopserver> *** loeky has joined company #1 18:03:16 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 18:03:52 <coopserver> *** loeky has left the game (Leaving) 18:03:53 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 18:25:53 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 19:01:09 <V453000> sup yo 19:01:15 <V453000> Arveen2: any results? 19:04:17 <Arveen2> yes 19:04:33 <Arveen2> with that special edition offline and psg is smooth 19:04:49 <V453000> hmmmmmmmmmm 19:04:54 *** Arveen2 is now known as Arveen453000 19:04:55 <V453000> only problems is that it looks like trash :D 19:05:06 <V453000> well, as I said earlier 19:05:15 <V453000> the standard case should be that BRIX isn't used on server side 19:05:28 <V453000> but it still does just show some problems deep inside openttd 19:05:46 <Arveen453000> what is exactly the issue ? 19:06:20 <V453000> dat renderin' is foqn slow 19:06:28 <V453000> on some specific systems 19:06:47 <Arveen453000> even 4k is smooth btw 19:07:00 <V453000> right 19:07:11 <V453000> well it's a combination of 4K + EZ / 32bpp+EZ 19:07:20 <Arveen453000> EZ=? 19:07:23 <V453000> and maybe the 4K is the least issue 19:07:24 <V453000> extra zoom 19:07:27 <Arveen453000> ah 19:07:39 <Arveen453000> i tried every zoom with that special edition 19:07:47 <V453000> 32bpp is obviously the biggest contributor 19:07:56 <V453000> cause 1080p vs 4K is x4 times performance 19:08:18 <V453000> normal zoom vs extra zoom = x16 times performance I think 19:08:22 <V453000> yeah, 4 on each side 19:08:51 <V453000> and palette = 8 bits, 32bpp = 8 bits on 4 channels so gigantic difference there 19:09:00 <V453000> 64 times? 19:09:03 <V453000> maybe more, not sure 19:09:03 <Arveen453000> cfg file says : sprite_cache_size = 1024 | sprite_cache_size_px = 512 | blitter = "8bpp-optimized" 19:09:12 <Arveen453000> so that should be cool 19:09:12 <V453000> right 19:09:23 <V453000> if you just keep 8bpp-optimized that is going to help compared to 32bpp 19:09:33 <V453000> actually 19:09:41 <V453000> if you remove your BRIX downloaded from bananas 19:09:51 <V453000> and only use the 8bpp special version I gave you 19:10:02 <V453000> you should be able to connect to the server still because the grfID is the same 19:10:06 <V453000> but it won't slow you down 19:10:11 <V453000> it will look shit, as I said, though 19:10:54 <Arveen453000> yeah that worked 19:11:22 <V453000> I need to make a new version of BRIX which has the 8bpp looking correctly 19:11:44 <V453000> now it's functional just to have the grf work, but broken looking in many places 19:12:03 <Arveen453000> is that just a palette issue or does it need additional drawing ? 19:12:12 <V453000> there are two levels 19:12:16 <V453000> one is colours 19:12:28 <V453000> second is contrast coming from downscaling algorithm 19:12:41 <V453000> colours means I need to adjust my 8bpp converter 19:13:03 <V453000> contrast means I need to use an external downscaler, and slightly edit my current pipeline to put it in there 19:13:43 <V453000> I know what to do and how, just need time :) 19:14:00 <V453000> good news is that I am quite embarassed by the 0.0.1, which should motivate me to do something about it 19:14:59 <V453000> or I will be a lazy shit and I won't, but one can dream 19:22:20 *** dr_gonzo has joined #openttdcoop 19:22:50 *** dr_gonzo is now known as Guest435 19:28:59 *** orudge` has quit IRC 19:29:03 *** orudge` has joined #openttdcoop 19:41:35 *** Guest435 has quit IRC 19:47:22 *** loeky has quit IRC 20:01:24 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 20:01:41 *** ODM has quit IRC 20:24:29 *** happpy has quit IRC 20:28:36 *** happpy has joined #openttdcoop 20:52:59 <Jam35> !pw 20:52:59 <coopserver> Jam35: floats 20:53:05 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 20:53:06 <coopserver> *** Jam35 has joined 20:53:07 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 20:53:43 <happpy> hi jam 20:53:59 <coopserver> <Jam35> hello 20:54:05 <happpy> how things 20:54:10 <coopserver> <Jam35> good you? 20:54:15 <happpy> good 20:57:21 <coopserver> *** Jam35 has joined company #1 20:57:22 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 21:02:31 <coopserver> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 21:02:32 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 21:02:48 <Jam35> added stuff to loeky plan 21:03:11 <Jam35> V453000 nub forgot to cheat money 21:03:34 <Jam35> bfn 21:03:46 <coopserver> *** Jam35 has left the game (Leaving) 21:09:12 <V453000> gg 21:56:20 *** StarLite has quit IRC 22:02:39 *** Lejving_ is now known as Lejving 22:12:25 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:38:02 *** happpy_ has joined #openttdcoop 22:43:43 *** happpy has quit IRC 22:44:04 *** happpy_ is now known as happpy 23:00:19 *** loeky has joined #openttdcoop