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00:49:48 *** Progman has quit IRC 02:46:19 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 08:36:33 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop.dev 08:37:44 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen joined the game 08:38:06 <fonsinchen> still no one interested in cargodist :( 08:41:33 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop.dev 08:55:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mark 08:55:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Webster 08:55:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Hirundo 08:57:19 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has joined company #1 08:57:20 <Tycoon> *** Game unpaused (enough players) 08:58:49 <Ammler> hmm, I am... but the time is bad :-( 09:27:15 <Ammler> !reload config 09:27:15 <Tycoon> Ammler: config reloaded 09:27:19 <Ammler> !url 09:27:19 <Tycoon> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/cargodist/ 09:28:14 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has joined spectators 09:28:14 <Tycoon> *** Game paused (not enough players) 09:28:53 <fonsinchen> I built some things. 09:34:53 <fonsinchen> BTW, symmetric demand for armoured won't work in tropical. 09:35:29 <fonsinchen> oh, nice. You have fixed the links. 11:00:59 *** Yexo has quit IRC 11:38:53 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has left the game (leaving) 11:38:53 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has left the game (connection lost) 11:45:54 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 11:45:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 11:54:51 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 11:55:44 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Booth 12:18:31 <fonsinchen> Hey Booth. Want to play some cargodist? 12:19:03 <Booth> i will download it yeah 12:19:09 <Booth> !download win32 12:19:09 <Tycoon> Booth: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/cargodist/g714743fa-cargodist/openttd-cargodist-g714743fa-cargodist-windows-win32.zip 12:21:14 <Booth> !ip 12:21:14 <Tycoon> Booth: mz.openttdcoop.org:3981 12:21:53 <Booth> !version 12:21:53 <Tycoon> Booth: Autopilot AP+ 3.0 Beta (r695M) 12:22:20 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen joined the game 12:25:23 <Booth> i cant get the right version 12:25:50 <fonsinchen> !dl 12:25:50 <Tycoon> fonsinchen: !dl lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x 12:25:58 <fonsinchen> !dl win32 12:25:58 <Tycoon> fonsinchen: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/cargodist/g714743fa-cargodist/openttd-cargodist-g714743fa-cargodist-windows-win32.zip 12:26:48 <fonsinchen> this one should be correct. 12:27:03 <fonsinchen> What happens if you try? 12:28:19 <Booth> i get the correct version but has an M on the end 12:28:28 <Booth> to indicate it has been modified 12:28:31 <Booth> but it hasnt 12:29:07 <Booth> g714743faM cargodist 12:29:18 <Booth> is the version that link gives you 12:30:39 <Booth> !dl windows 32 12:30:39 <Tycoon> Booth: unknown option "windows" 12:30:47 <Booth> !dl win 32 12:30:48 <Tycoon> Booth: unknown option "win" 12:30:51 <Booth> !dl win32 12:30:51 <Tycoon> Booth: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/cargodist/g714743fa-cargodist/openttd-cargodist-g714743fa-cargodist-windows-win32.zip 12:32:25 <fonsinchen> oh my, what have they done there .... 12:32:38 <Booth> i dont know 12:32:45 <Booth> fucked it up 12:32:48 <Booth> !dl 12:32:48 <Tycoon> Booth: !dl lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x 12:32:54 <Booth> !dl lin 12:32:55 <Tycoon> Booth: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/cargodist/g714743fa-cargodist/openttd-cargodist-g714743fa-cargodist-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2 12:33:17 <fonsinchen> try this one: http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/binaries/openttd-cargodist-r16577-windows-win32.zip 12:33:27 <Booth> i am going to play it on my ubuntu 12:33:29 <Booth> 1 sec 12:34:52 <Ammler> hmm 12:35:02 <Ammler> did I compile wrong version? 12:35:35 <Ammler> I am very unfamiliar with git, thought, it is head. 12:35:47 *** cnet111 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 12:35:52 <Ammler> oh M 12:36:07 *** Booth is now known as Guest94 12:36:07 *** cnet111 is now known as Booth 12:36:11 <Ammler> hmm 12:36:17 <Booth> !dl 12:36:17 <Tycoon> Booth: !dl lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x 12:36:22 <Booth> !dl lin 12:36:22 <Tycoon> Booth: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/cargodist/g714743fa-cargodist/openttd-cargodist-g714743fa-cargodist-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2 12:36:27 <fonsinchen> The server version is correct 12:36:43 <fonsinchen> the compile farm fucked up the windows build and made an "M" version 12:36:49 <Ammler> well, it should be like the compile farm version 12:37:13 <Booth> well i am on ubuntu now 12:37:14 <fonsinchen> perhaps someone could try my own windows build at http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/binaries/openttd-cargodist-r16577-windows-win32.zip and tell me if it works? 12:37:14 <Ammler> how does that happen? 12:37:42 <fonsinchen> I don't know the compile farm. But obviously something is wrong there. 12:37:48 <Ammler> well, didn't you use it? 12:38:01 <fonsinchen> I instructed TrueBrain to build 12:38:11 <fonsinchen> I don't have access to the compile farm myself 12:38:23 <Ammler> no 12:38:30 <Ammler> I meant your windows build :P 12:38:37 <fonsinchen> I did it in a VM 12:38:54 <fonsinchen> OK, I can boot the VM and try myself ... second 12:39:23 <Ammler> hmm, why do you compile a windows version, when you don't need it self? 12:39:33 <fonsinchen> so that other people can play 12:39:34 <Ammler> isn't the compile farm for? 12:39:50 <fonsinchen> I can't make TrueBrain compile a new version every day 12:40:00 <fonsinchen> He'll be quite annoyed in no time. 12:40:01 <Ammler> no, you shouldn't 12:40:15 <Ammler> one per month is fine :-) 12:40:40 <fonsinchen> I think I release new versions more often than TrueBrain would tolerate so I build myself 12:41:02 <Ammler> well, if the ubuntu version has a M too, I append the M to our server and it should be fine 12:41:15 <fonsinchen> Hrm 12:41:16 <fonsinchen> wait 12:41:50 <Ammler> didn't you see the "release" patch I once posted for you? 12:42:43 <fonsinchen> OK, for some reason my version has an "M" too 12:42:53 <Ammler> he 12:43:05 <fonsinchen> no ... which patch? 12:43:20 <Ammler> the same, rubidium uses for RC releases 12:44:46 <fonsinchen> I still don't know what you mean. 12:45:38 <Ammler> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/16512/tags/0.7.1-RC3 12:46:15 <Ammler> IS2 uses that too, before we ask for compile 12:46:31 <Ammler> soe we get nicer version strings 12:47:29 <Ammler> like "IS2.0-beta3" 12:47:53 *** Booth is now known as Guest114 12:47:53 *** Guest94 is now known as Booth 12:48:32 <fonsinchen> OK, nice to know. Next time I'll apply it before 12:49:02 *** Guest114 has quit IRC 12:50:43 <Booth> erm is there anyway to change it 12:50:55 <Booth> my laptop is to slow to run my VM of ubuntu 12:52:17 <fonsinchen> I'm compiling a new version in my Windows VM 12:52:23 <fonsinchen> but that is slow, too 12:52:30 <fonsinchen> ~10 Minutes 12:52:52 <Ammler> fonsinchen: just be sure to use the RC patch not stable release patch ;-) 12:53:00 <Ammler> as you would then disable asserts and such 12:53:26 <fonsinchen> I'm compiling a version of the current release, but hopefully without "M" 12:54:59 <Ammler> example of IS: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12336/diff 12:55:37 <Ammler> Booth: does the ubuntu version have a M, too? 12:55:58 <Booth> i didnt install it 12:56:07 <Booth> ubuntu was unbarable slow 12:56:20 <Booth> took a life time to open firefox 12:56:25 <Booth> and then kept crashing 12:58:16 <Booth> is it possible to merge cargodist and IS2? 12:59:49 <Hirundo> It is certainly possible, but I have no idea how difficult it would be 13:00:41 <Tycoon> *** test joined the game 13:00:48 <Tycoon> *** test has left the game (leaving) 13:00:48 <Tycoon> *** test has left the game (connection lost) 13:01:11 <Ammler> well, first I would like to have a game with distro :-) 13:02:13 <Ammler> Hirundo: I once applied the distro patch, it worked, compilation failed ... 13:03:22 <Ammler> we had the opposite discussion almost a year agao with celestar 13:05:00 <Hirundo> who is celestar ? ;) 13:05:38 <fonsinchen> OK, try this one again: http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/binaries/openttd-cargodist-r16577-windows-win32.zip 13:05:38 <Booth> cargodest developer :p 13:05:53 <fonsinchen> It shouldn't have an "M" anymore 13:06:23 <fonsinchen> That "test" guy was me using that binary. 13:06:36 <Hirundo> IS2 and cargodist could be merged pretty easily, methinks. 13:06:47 <Hirundo> ^^ which does *not* mean that I will do it, though 13:06:51 <Booth> well it still has the M 13:06:59 <Booth> why not? 13:07:11 <Ammler> I apply the M to the server 13:07:11 <Booth> i think it could be great fun IS cargodist 13:07:15 <fonsinchen> OK, I don't get that ... 13:07:50 <Ammler> Booth: how is the exact version string? 13:07:55 <Ammler> !revision 13:07:55 <Tycoon> Ammler: Game version is g714743fa-cargodist 13:08:02 <Ammler> this with a M at the end? 13:08:06 <Booth> g714743faM-cargodist 13:08:49 <Booth> its a shame there isnt a bananas sorta thing for game versions loaded on servers 13:09:26 <Ammler> menno 13:09:30 <Ammler> if I add the M 13:09:40 <Ammler> the !dl link doesn't work anymore 13:10:19 <fonsinchen> It doesn't have the M for me 13:10:31 <fonsinchen> Are you sure you downloaded the correct version? 13:10:44 <Booth> its the version you gave me 13:10:48 <Tycoon> Server closed down by admin 13:10:48 <Tycoon> Saving game... 13:10:50 <Tycoon> Game saved 13:10:50 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has left the game (connection lost) 13:10:52 <Tycoon> Server has exited 13:10:52 *** Tycoon has quit IRC 13:10:55 <Booth> fonsinchen> OK, try this one again: http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/binaries/openttd-cargodist-r16577-windows-win32.zip 13:11:05 <fonsinchen> yes 13:11:11 *** Tycoon has joined #openttdcoop.dev 13:11:11 <Tycoon> Autopilot engaged 13:11:11 <Tycoon> Loading default savegame 13:11:11 <Tycoon> Server is running version: g714743faM-cargodist 13:11:18 <fonsinchen> I just downloaded and started it and it doesn't have M 13:11:24 <fonsinchen> whatever... 13:11:41 <Tycoon> *** Game unpaused (enough players) 13:11:44 <Tycoon> *** Chris Booth joined the game 13:11:57 <Ammler> fonsinchen: ? 13:12:07 <Ammler> now what is the version? 13:12:31 <Booth> !dl 13:12:31 <Tycoon> Booth: !dl lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x 13:13:44 <fonsinchen> Now we're all playing with "M", ok 13:14:42 <Ammler> !dl lin 13:14:42 <Tycoon> Ammler: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/cargodist/g714743faM-cargodist/openttd-cargodist-g714743faM-cargodist-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2 13:16:08 <Ammler> @topic set 2 g714743faM-cargodist 13:16:08 *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop patch test channel - Cargo Destination | g714743faM-cargodist | STAGE: testing | Binaries: !download | http://wiki.openttd.org/Passenger_and_cargo_distribution" 13:17:23 <Tycoon> *** AmmIer joined the game 13:17:31 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen joined the game 13:17:48 <Ammler> !setdef 13:17:48 <Tycoon> *** Ammler has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns and set path_backoff_interval to 1 13:18:12 <Ammler> !rcon set vehicle_breakdowns 13:18:12 <Tycoon> Ammler: Current value for 'vehicle_breakdowns' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 2) 13:18:15 <Ammler> !rcon set vehicle_breakdowns 0 13:19:26 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> Perhaps you should also set the demand function for armoured to antisymmetric 13:19:42 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> could you do that, please? 13:19:54 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I have no idea about the settings :-) 13:20:10 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> It's in the settings GUI, under link graph 13:20:20 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> mäh, no gui in MP games :P 13:20:32 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> ah, ok 13:20:34 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has joined company #1 13:20:42 <Ammler> fonsinchen: use !rcon here 13:20:55 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has joined spectators 13:21:59 <Ammler> "Link Graph"? 13:22:35 <fonsinchen> !rcon set linkgraph.demand_armoured 1 13:22:35 <Tycoon> fonsinchen: you are not allowed to use !rcon 13:22:46 <fonsinchen> Uh, I can't 13:22:51 <Ammler> @voice fonsinchen 13:22:51 *** Webster sets mode: +v fonsinchen 13:23:00 <fonsinchen> !rcon set linkgraph.demand_armoured 1 13:23:28 <fonsinchen> OK, looks good 13:23:57 <fonsinchen> it's in linkgraph because demands are calculated using the linkgraph. 13:39:15 <Ammler> setup a little regio with airport at north 13:39:21 <Ammler> but somehow the train is still empty 13:39:31 <fonsinchen> Which train? 13:39:53 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> at Sabadell 13:40:07 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> oh, that was maybe the first run 13:40:07 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> no airplanes 13:40:09 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> looks better now 13:40:54 <fonsinchen> Everyone going via Sabadell Airport there. If the train goes somewhere else it won't pick up anyone. 13:41:00 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i set up a new train line 13:41:08 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> at sant marti 13:56:00 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> these trains are so slow 13:56:24 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> we started a bit too early ;-) 13:57:05 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> and with original train set 13:57:23 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, that is usual on first test game 13:58:06 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> hmm 13:58:33 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> possible to see the target of loaded cargo? 13:58:46 <fonsinchen> No 13:58:57 <fonsinchen> You can only see it in the station 14:02:34 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> for me, this gets to complicated 14:02:48 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> it is rather 14:02:50 <fonsinchen> already seen the smallmap? 14:02:56 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i never realy liked cardo dest 14:03:24 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> oh, zoom 14:03:31 <fonsinchen> The smallmap provides a nice overview on which links are jammed. 14:03:42 <fonsinchen> Just look for the places with lots of red 14:03:56 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ah 14:04:29 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> minimap zoom could support mouse wheel 14:05:16 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> all airports are red 14:05:49 <fonsinchen> Yes, I'm working on the mousewheel thing 14:06:10 <fonsinchen> You're probably in the wrong mode, Ammler 14:06:17 <fonsinchen> select the stats view 14:06:41 <fonsinchen> and then disable "show town names" 14:06:56 <fonsinchen> (I will make those things more obvious in later versions ...) 14:07:20 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ah nice 14:18:57 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i am off now 14:19:05 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ok 14:19:05 <Tycoon> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 14:19:05 <Tycoon> *** Chris Booth has left the game (connection lost) 14:20:59 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> looks very stable 14:21:31 <Tycoon> *** AmmIer has joined spectators 14:21:32 <Tycoon> *** Game paused (not enough players) 14:21:36 <fonsinchen> Well, you haven't done anything too difficult yet 14:22:00 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> yeah, only pax 14:22:54 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I would need to read the wiki :-) 14:23:28 <fonsinchen> Why? 14:24:00 <fonsinchen> Just try with cargo. You'll see what happens :) 14:24:02 <Ammler> just to understand the adv. settings :-) 14:24:48 <fonsinchen> Yes, if you want to understand them you should read it. But for the game you are running everything is fine. 14:25:13 <Ammler> do you have "hidden" settings? 14:25:18 <fonsinchen> no 14:25:24 <Ammler> or console commands? 14:25:30 <fonsinchen> no 14:25:34 *** Booth has quit IRC 14:25:43 <fonsinchen> everything you can tweak is in the settings GUI 14:26:11 <fonsinchen> I'm thinking about hiding some stuff. For example the moving average unit. 14:26:13 <Ammler> well, thanks to the very stable trunk, 14:26:26 <Ammler> we have no buggy patches, either :-) 14:26:54 <Ammler> cargodest failed very much on such things 14:27:48 <Ammler> sadly, celestar isn't around 14:28:17 <Ammler> I guess, he would like your patch. 14:29:30 <fonsinchen> I don't know. He showed up some weeks ago and we discussed it. He didn't sound too enthusiastic, but he didn't completely dismiss it either. 14:29:52 <Ammler> well, because of lack of time. 14:30:13 <fonsinchen> He thinks that I should rather have adopted his approach and implemented balancing on top. 14:32:03 <Ammler> did you make completely independent? 14:32:31 <fonsinchen> No, I took large parts of the smallmap from his patch 14:32:37 <Ammler> independency of boost is a good thing. 14:33:02 <fonsinchen> but the core algorithm of my patch is completely different from his, so I had to do that independently. 14:33:21 <fonsinchen> And I didn't like the station GUI of cargodest so I wrote my own. 14:34:12 <Ammler> but you might be able to use a prt for train gui? 14:34:21 <Ammler> vehicle guis I meant 14:35:28 <fonsinchen> I might. But I think I won't change the vehicle GUI for now. 14:36:04 <fonsinchen> It can be done later and it isn't essential. 14:37:44 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, If I see a full train, I would like to know, where the most pax will go 14:38:00 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> so I could setup a backup train for that target 14:39:11 <fonsinchen> Unfortunately the cargo of the train you are watching is completely independent from the cargo the next train will take. Cargo packets are implicitly sorted at the station as rejected cargo gets appended to the cargolist. 14:40:35 <fonsinchen> So, implementing a destination view in the vehicle GUI won't help a lot and will probably give me lots of false bug reports. I don't like that ... 14:42:03 <fonsinchen> And people will start tracking individual pieces of cargo, complaining that they don't actually go to the (estimated) destinations ... aargh 14:53:49 <Ammler> :-D 15:25:19 *** Progman has quit IRC 15:42:16 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has joined company #1 15:42:17 <Tycoon> *** Game unpaused (enough players) 15:47:32 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 15:48:59 <Chris_Booth> hello again 15:49:13 <Tycoon> *** Chris Booth joined the game 15:49:24 <fonsinchen> hi 16:01:09 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I think the planes are too large 16:01:21 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> for the airport? 16:01:53 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> Yes, this is the third one crashing 16:01:59 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> they are 16:02:11 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> jet crash on small airports 16:06:48 <fonsinchen> see that copper network I have built? 16:06:56 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> yeah 16:07:48 <fonsinchen> Am I successfully showing off? ;) 16:08:03 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> until it jams 16:08:24 <fonsinchen> Well, it's far from the possible capacity 16:08:43 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> and a missing track section 16:08:49 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> at the factory 16:08:54 <fonsinchen> Oh, which one? 16:09:11 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> sant marti de t valley 16:09:48 <fonsinchen> Note that I didn't use any transfer/unload/full load orders 16:10:01 <fonsinchen> Cargodist does it all by itself. 16:10:23 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> but why do you want to do it? 16:10:27 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i can understand passengers 16:10:31 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> but good 16:10:51 <fonsinchen> feed multiple factories from multiple mines. 16:11:00 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> did you test it already with newindustries? 16:11:07 <fonsinchen> Without caring which mine delivers to which factory 16:11:08 <fonsinchen> no 16:11:13 <fonsinchen> but it will be funny 16:11:32 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> specially ECS with his zillions restrictions 16:12:02 <fonsinchen> Of course it will notice if some industry stops accepting stuff and the cargo will be rerouted accordingly. 16:12:12 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I have a very limited version in mind 16:12:16 <fonsinchen> But I don't know if that's enough. 16:12:33 <fonsinchen> A limited version of what? 16:12:44 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> no use full ESC like we did on PS 16:13:08 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> hmm, no that was OT :-) 16:13:20 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I meant limited version of cargodist 16:13:36 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, no cargodist or dest at all ;-) 16:13:50 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> just having multiple "slots" per station. 16:14:12 <fonsinchen> I don't understand 16:14:28 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> as I said, it is kinda OT here :-) 16:15:19 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I assume, you can disable distribution feature for cargo? 16:15:37 <fonsinchen> Yes, you can set the respective demand function to "unhandled" 16:16:14 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> what is EXPRESS cargo? 16:16:26 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> goods and food? 16:16:38 <fonsinchen> I don't know. But it's written in the code that it can be passengers in certain industry sets 16:16:59 <fonsinchen> otherwise I would have packed it into "default" 16:22:28 <Tycoon> *** AmmIer has joined company #1 16:27:43 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i have built a new cargo dest hub 16:27:47 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> in the south east 16:28:20 <fonsinchen> caldes de torreroja? 16:28:25 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> yeah 16:29:57 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> MONEY! 16:30:54 <fonsinchen> Yes, that's the problem. Not everything that gets cargo transported is actually profitable with cargodist ... 16:31:20 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, that doesn't matter 16:31:26 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> game is too easy anyway 16:35:19 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> do you have a kind of penalty system? 16:35:33 <fonsinchen> Penalty for what? 16:35:33 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> so cargo doesn't prefer airports all the time? 16:36:07 <fonsinchen> I first saturate the shortest routes (which are air routes in this case) and then saturate the remaining capacities. 16:36:37 <fonsinchen> And in case there is more demand than capacity every route gets overloaded with the same amount 16:36:57 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ok 16:37:33 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> so how to reduce pax at Sant Sabadell? 16:37:47 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> -Santa 16:38:08 <fonsinchen> build more trains 16:38:29 <fonsinchen> they are all going to villanova de torrenegra 16:38:45 <fonsinchen> which is only accessible by that railway 16:38:59 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> yes 16:39:03 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> but trains are empty 16:39:45 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> Train 16, e.g. 16:40:02 <Mark> hello 16:40:11 <fonsinchen> Oh, it sees a direct link to villanova 16:40:13 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> Saletti 16:40:15 <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> hi mark 16:40:19 <Mark> win bin anywhere? 16:40:28 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> yes, there is one train, which goes non-stop 16:40:36 <fonsinchen> OK ... 16:40:42 <Ammler> !dl win32 16:40:42 <Tycoon> Ammler: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/cargodist/g714743faM-cargodist/openttd-cargodist-g714743faM-cargodist-windows-win32.zip 16:40:48 <Mark> thanks 16:41:01 <Ammler> first tome on coop? 16:41:10 <Ammler> time* 16:41:11 <fonsinchen> reduce the short link saturation if those 800 pax are disturbing you 16:41:16 <fonsinchen> they won't get much more. 16:41:22 <Mark> yes :) 16:42:07 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, why doesn't it load on the small regio trains? 16:42:14 <fonsinchen> Thay are all waiting for the direct train as that got saturated first. 16:42:23 <Tycoon> *** Chris Booth has left the game (connection lost) 16:42:24 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 16:42:29 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> but that is at cap limit 16:42:36 <fonsinchen> However, vehicles get an initial boost when they are running the first time. 16:42:46 <fonsinchen> This is why the pax have accumulated there 16:43:07 <fonsinchen> The numbers will settle at reasonable values after some time. 16:43:23 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ok, we will see :-) 16:43:48 <fonsinchen> But the 800 pax can't be delivered anymore. It will always saturate the direct train to 90% before considering the regios. 16:44:02 <fonsinchen> (with new pax) 16:44:12 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> 90% of? 16:44:21 <fonsinchen> its capacity 16:44:32 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> but it is at 100% 16:44:52 <Mark> !download 16:44:53 <Tycoon> Mark: !download lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x 16:44:55 <fonsinchen> The capacity estimation isn't that accurate 16:44:57 <Mark> !download win32 16:44:57 <Tycoon> Mark: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/cargodist/g714743faM-cargodist/openttd-cargodist-g714743faM-cargodist-windows-win32.zip 16:45:12 <Mark> dl link is dead 16:45:15 <Mark> at least for me it is 16:45:35 <fonsinchen> don't count on those 10% being enough to actually get the 800 pax transported. 16:46:21 <Ammler> hmm, did I wrongly rename? 16:47:15 <Ammler> oh, not again :-( 16:49:38 <Ammler> Mark, try again 16:56:10 <Mark> seems to work 16:56:16 <Mark> dankesehr 16:56:33 <Tycoon> *** Mark joined the game 16:56:56 <Tycoon> <Mark> 'lo 16:58:02 <Tycoon> <Mark> this is way too complex for me 16:58:08 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> hehe 16:58:22 <fonsinchen> Any specific problems? 16:58:50 <Ammler> [16:02] <Tycoon> <AmmIer> for me, this gets to complicated 16:59:27 <Ammler> fonsinchen: don't get it wrong, the patch is awesome 17:00:20 <Tycoon> <Mark> i want to have the amount of pak waiting at stations converted to boolean values :P 17:00:51 <fonsinchen> Uh? What should that look like? 17:01:01 <Tycoon> <Mark> dunno im not the coder :P 17:01:07 <Tycoon> <Mark> it was actually a joke though 17:01:49 <Tycoon> <Mark> more serious: the patch looks very nice 17:12:51 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> yes, water is probably a better target for that trick than copper. 17:13:41 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> but goods or food would be interesting, too 17:15:21 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> the problem with orders that don't have non-stop is that cargodist won't know the next station the vehicle stops at. 17:15:39 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> that is what I am testing right now ;-) 17:15:44 <Tycoon> *** Mark has left the game (leaving) 17:15:44 <Tycoon> *** Mark has left the game (connection lost) 17:15:52 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> so, you have to set all stations and put non-stop everywhere 17:18:23 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> this won't do what you expect ... 17:46:41 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has joined spectators 17:48:17 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> hmm, that is a pbs bug 17:51:32 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> lol 17:51:46 <Tycoon> *** AmmIer has joined spectators 17:51:46 <Tycoon> *** Game paused (not enough players) 17:52:01 <fonsinchen> the problem is that train 54's order 3 is nondeterministic 17:53:03 <fonsinchen> and order 1 too 17:53:42 <Tycoon> *** AmmIer has joined company #1 17:53:42 <Tycoon> *** Game unpaused (enough players) 17:54:41 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> fixed now? 17:54:49 <fonsinchen> if you want cargodist to manage the distribution of cargo between Banyoles and Sabadell, both stations have to be in the order list as non-stop. And I don't quite know what happens if you have nondeterministic orders before. That's an interesting experiment. 17:55:19 <fonsinchen> let's see what it does 17:55:33 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> Banyoles: is still not non-stop 17:55:43 <fonsinchen> It looks funny ... I can't wrap my head around it right now. 17:56:07 <fonsinchen> that might be OK. 17:56:17 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> looks ok 17:56:29 <fonsinchen> Nondeterminism is only a problem when loading or keeping specific cargo. 17:56:29 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> both are in the distro list 17:59:05 <fonsinchen> I think it doesn't work. But I might be able to improve that behaviour. 17:59:25 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, I have to report a pbs bug :-) 18:00:33 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has joined company #1 18:06:46 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> doesn't Work for Vallfosca 18:08:02 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> the train is loading there 18:09:06 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> the trains don't keep any water for Sabadell. I'm trying to understand why. 18:10:43 <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I think the next hop is set to INVALID_STATION if a nondeterministic order is detected. packages with invalid next hop can be unloaded anywhere. 18:11:20 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has left the game (connection lost) 18:11:29 <fonsinchen> ouch 18:11:32 <fonsinchen> desync 18:11:38 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> :-o 18:12:06 <fonsinchen> shit, and I didn't have desync debug on 18:12:10 <fonsinchen> gah! 18:12:16 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> :-) 18:12:21 <fonsinchen> I'm so stupid 18:12:25 <fonsinchen> incredible. 18:12:36 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> true :P 18:14:24 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen joined the game 18:14:45 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> now, you won't desync anymore :P 18:15:04 <fonsinchen> of course. Murphy's law does apply to desyncs. 18:15:50 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> he 18:16:19 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> those feeder don't work anymore, of course :-) 18:17:13 <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, I guess, you don't need to support that kind ;-) 18:18:13 <fonsinchen> The water thing? It wouldn't be that hard to support it. I just need to ignore that INVALID_STATION when unloading. However, I'm not quite sure if that has any side effects. 18:19:42 <fonsinchen> Do you also get those messages "Saving is still in progress. Please wait until it's finished"? 18:21:16 <planetmaker> that's usual for autosave 18:31:31 <fonsinchen> but I get it all the time ... it seems something is hanging. 19:14:47 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has left the game (connection lost) 19:15:52 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen joined the game 19:25:39 <Tycoon> *** AmmIer has left the game (leaving) 19:25:40 <Tycoon> *** AmmIer has left the game (connection lost) 19:25:40 <Tycoon> *** Game paused (not enough players) 19:37:42 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has left the game (leaving) 19:37:42 <Tycoon> *** fonsinchen has left the game (connection lost) 19:46:41 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop.dev 20:21:14 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:24:25 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop.dev 21:29:55 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 23:08:19 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:14:18 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest245 23:14:20 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 23:14:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 23:17:55 *** Guest245 has quit IRC