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01:15:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2420: (svn r2820) Fixed: error raised when trying to add an empty comment to a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2420 (by jplang) 01:15:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2421: (svn r2821) Prevent creation of project with identifier 'new' (#3602). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2421 (by jplang) 01:15:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2422: (svn r2822) Fixes artefacts in truncated search results (#3622). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2422 (by jplang) 01:15:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2423: (svn r2823) Adds a link to the file history on repository file views. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2423 (by jplang) 01:15:21 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2424: (svn r2824) Allow line breaks in wiki table cells (#2346). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2424 (by jplang) 01:33:33 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 78M) 01:33:33 <Brot6> ... this must be what it's like to be a COLLEGE GRADUATE!! 01:33:53 <XeryusTC> shut up you stupid bot 06:48:19 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:49:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #331: Width of the letter 'x' @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/331#change-842 (by planetmaker) 06:53:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #319 (Closed): make zip should tar the grfs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/319#change-843 (by planetmaker) 06:53:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #111: Sprites 4694:4694 (1) - Toyland: Statue @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/111#change-844 (by planetmaker) 07:03:36 <ODM> mornin pm 07:23:38 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 185: Change: set better map colours for a bunch of indus... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/185 (by andythenorth) 07:46:44 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 125: Cleanup: old mining trucks file (but now can be recovered if ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/125 (by andythenorth) 07:46:44 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 126: Feature: articulated mining trucks now have code and graphics... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/126 (by andythenorth) 07:46:44 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 127: Feature: large bulldozer trailers now have code and graphics ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/127 (by andythenorth) 07:46:46 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 129: Merge @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/129 (by andythenorth) 07:46:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 128: Cleanup: repo issues @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/128 (by andythenorth) 09:33:01 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #340 (Closed): 757 British Airways Livery @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/340#change-845 (by simozzz_AK) 09:54:59 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:14:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2672: update tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2672 (by convert-repo) 14:03:41 *** Shadow has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:03:58 *** Shadow has quit IRC 14:41:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:41:51 <andythenorth> afternoon (take 2) 14:41:58 <planetmaker> :-) 14:42:20 <planetmaker> so, if you pushed 185, just wait a bit. 14:42:25 <andythenorth> ok so no special action needed to make the nightly available 14:42:28 <Ammler> [16:41] <Ammler> andythenorth: the nightly will automatically generate at 18.18 CEST 14:42:34 <planetmaker> opengfx, firs, 2cctrainset should have automatic nightly generation 14:42:39 <andythenorth> that's great 14:42:41 <planetmaker> maybe some others, too 14:42:45 <planetmaker> dunno :-) 14:42:57 <Ammler> if you like to use that for heqs too, just ping :-) 14:43:07 <andythenorth> maybe 14:43:09 <andythenorth> don't see why not 14:43:22 <andythenorth> seems like a nice idea :) 14:43:22 <Ammler> the only requirement is a make target bundle_zip 14:43:33 <planetmaker> heqs can do that 14:43:58 <Ammler> the nightly will only generated if there ARE changes. 14:44:13 <andythenorth> both of the above fine with me 14:44:16 <planetmaker> unlike yesterday :-P 14:44:27 <Ammler> ? 14:44:35 <andythenorth> did you guys see a lot of HEQS commits :D 14:44:38 <andythenorth> ?? 14:44:38 <planetmaker> were there changes yesterday? 14:44:54 <andythenorth> pushed this morning actually - no interwebs yesterday 14:44:54 <planetmaker> I mean to... things. Okay, maybe I was wrong :-) 14:45:10 <Ammler> [13:54] <Brot6> [18:18:01] firs: nightly compile not needed. (r184) 14:45:11 <Ammler> [13:54] <Brot6> [18:18:02] opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r144) 14:45:13 <Ammler> [13:54] <Brot6> [18:18:02] worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r366) 14:45:19 <planetmaker> ^^ that's what I meant 14:45:33 <Ammler> :-) 14:45:37 <planetmaker> Ammler, has 2cctrainset that, too? 14:45:50 <planetmaker> a nightly compile? 14:45:59 <planetmaker> If it hasn't, I'd like to apply :-) 14:46:06 <Ammler> hmm, indeed 14:46:15 <Ammler> so I enable 2cc and heqs 14:46:31 <Ammler> both have a "proper" target bundle_zip? 14:46:33 <andythenorth> thanks 14:47:09 <planetmaker> I'm quite confident that they do. 14:47:13 <planetmaker> If not... bug :-) 14:47:37 <Ammler> to enable a nightly compile it needs a local file called Makefile.nightly, which will be copied to Makefile.local 14:47:48 <Ammler> well, we see in 90mins 14:48:08 <planetmaker> bundle_zip works here on both repos. 14:48:14 <Ammler> :-) 14:48:26 <planetmaker> r225 and r100 respectively 14:48:49 <planetmaker> hm.. r100 is way outdated :-P 14:52:26 <andythenorth> bye ! 14:52:32 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 15:54:12 *** Ammler has quit IRC 15:54:23 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:54:53 *** Ammler is now known as Guest1674 15:56:55 *** Guest1674 has quit IRC 16:08:43 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 16:08:43 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 16:09:19 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:09:39 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:10:28 *** Ammller has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:10:46 *** Ammller is now known as Guest1678 16:14:15 *** Guest1678 is now known as Ammler 16:18:05 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r to r225, starting nightly compile 16:18:18 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (1 errors) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/2cctrainset 16:18:18 <Brot6> firs: update from r184 to r185, starting nightly compile 16:18:35 <Ammler> the others? 16:18:38 <Brot6> firs: compile done (0 errors) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/firs 16:18:38 <Brot6> heqs: update from r to r129, starting nightly compile 16:19:39 <Brot6> heqs: compile done (1 errors) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/heqs 16:19:39 <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r144) 16:19:40 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r366) 16:22:59 <Ammler> 2cc compile failed :-( 16:48:25 <planetmaker> what?! 16:54:52 <planetmaker> Ammler, it produced a grf despite the error4, didn't it? 17:15:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #325 (Confirmed): missing real sprites (nfo error) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/325#change-846 (by planetmaker) 17:25:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: no version in the bundle 17:26:25 <planetmaker> uh? 17:26:30 <planetmaker> how "no version"? 17:28:00 <Ammler> planetmaker: check it out: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/2cctrainset/nightlies/ 17:28:04 <Ammler> no version string there 17:28:22 <planetmaker> oh, he :-P 17:28:29 <planetmaker> I checked and didn't notice :-) 17:29:23 <planetmaker> And, Ammler : I cannot reproduce it here. 17:30:40 <Ammler> [Generating] 2cctrainset-.zip 17:30:45 <Ammler> hmm 17:30:49 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset-nightly-r225.zip <-- that's what I get 17:31:00 <planetmaker> [Generating] 2cctrainset-nightly-r225.zip 17:31:52 <planetmaker> cat Makefile.local or Makefile.nighty? 17:31:54 <Ammler> is there something different to different OS? 17:32:03 <planetmaker> I compiled under linux 17:32:17 <planetmaker> @work 17:32:51 <planetmaker> should go home, btw... 17:45:32 <Ammler> I removed everything from the local file 17:48:32 <Ammler> except the 2 rows with zip 18:08:31 <planetmaker> hm, and? 19:12:30 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:12:33 <andythenorth> evening 19:13:04 <andythenorth> planetmaker: did anything change recently in the HEQS repo - I saw some commits about the make system? 19:13:18 <andythenorth> my heqs_header.pnfo file is missing...I didn't remove it in the finder or using hg 19:14:22 <andythenorth> actually...I've found them (read the commits again). Nothing to see here ;) 19:17:26 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 130: Change: renamed file @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/130 (by andythenorth) 19:17:26 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 131: Change: renamed folder @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/131 (by andythenorth) 19:17:26 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 132: Codechange: paths to heavy_trucks.pcx (was off_highway_trucks... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/132 (by andythenorth) 19:38:07 <Ammler> @gap 10 19:39:04 <Ammler> andythenorth: [20:15] <Brot6> [18:18:39] heqs: update from r to r129, starting nightly compile 19:39:15 <Ammler> [20:15] <Brot6> [18:19:39] heqs: compile done (1 errors) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/heqs 20:03:49 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:12:09 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:18:23 <planetmaker> NFORENUM_FLAGS += > compile.log 20:18:25 <planetmaker> GRFCODEC_FLAGS += >> compile.log 20:18:26 <planetmaker> ^^ Ammler. I don't know how the CF solves it. But that might be interesting entries for Makefile.local respectively Makefile.nightly 20:19:50 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/entry/grfs/compile.sh 20:20:19 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/entry/grfs/compile-farm.sh 20:20:38 <Ammler> compile can also be runned manually or for releases 20:22:43 <planetmaker> ok... you don't need that then. But I guess I might add that to my Makefile.local in my repos... :-) 20:23:24 <andythenorth> planetmaker: questions about the make file 20:23:29 <Ammler> make bundle_zip 1>>$LOG 2>>$ERRORS 20:23:39 <planetmaker> Ammler: seen that :-) 20:23:48 <planetmaker> or I could use exactly that in the command line actually... 20:24:00 <planetmaker> andythenorth: go ahead. When I'm here, I'll answer :p 20:24:06 <Ammler> compile.sh has no output 20:24:12 <Ammler> everything is piped 20:24:30 <planetmaker> which is quite sensible for a cron job :-) 20:25:12 <andythenorth> I was using 'make install' happily, it did everything I needed ;) since HEQS r84 behaviour has changed. I guess I just need to learn which 'make [...]' to use. 20:25:31 <planetmaker> make install should do its job... 20:25:51 <andythenorth> it now installs heqs-nightly.tar 20:25:53 <Ammler> planetmaker: what does make install install? 20:25:57 <Ammler> the bundle? 20:26:03 <planetmaker> the tar 20:26:08 <Ammler> versioned? 20:26:12 <andythenorth> I need heqs.grf which was the previous behaviour 20:26:13 <planetmaker> with unversioned path 20:26:23 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you need the tar 20:26:32 <andythenorth> I have just spent 20 mins rewriting nfo wondering why it doesn't work :D 20:26:38 <planetmaker> :D 20:26:45 <planetmaker> well. Delete the grf 20:26:49 <planetmaker> if you have it. 20:26:56 <planetmaker> in the data folder 20:27:09 <andythenorth> tar will work, but might be a pain with all the saved games I have for testing. Then again, it might be fine 20:27:14 <planetmaker> the tar is... what all projects use :-) 20:27:31 <planetmaker> andythenorth: it should be fine, it's the same grf :-) 20:27:45 <planetmaker> it's just a matter of what OpenTTD finds and uses with all the same GRFIDs. 20:27:49 * Ammler doesn't like tar, either. 20:27:55 <planetmaker> omg 20:27:58 <Ammler> except for opengfx :-) 20:28:14 <andythenorth> Hmm...I need to check whether something is strange. I imagine it's my fault 20:28:21 <andythenorth> changes are *not* showing up 20:28:21 <Ammler> but pm knows that and it fine :P 20:29:29 <Ammler> the only usefull usage for tar is imo for bananas and if you have multiple grfs 20:29:47 <Ammler> but bananas wouldn't support that, so it is useless for newgrfs. 20:30:27 <Ammler> i.e. jpset could make a tar. 20:30:59 <planetmaker> it doesn't hurt. And it helps in cases of more than one grf 20:31:09 <andythenorth> right, the heqs-nightly.tar is in my data folder, but openttd refuses to see it. this is a new problem since r84 :) 20:31:11 <Ammler> mostly* 20:31:13 <planetmaker> And you always have all files together 20:31:27 <planetmaker> andythenorth: then you have other heqs files there, too 20:31:35 <Ammler> well, it hurts in the case, that it "hides" the files for windows. 20:31:36 <planetmaker> maybe also in the content_download folder 20:31:56 <Ammler> but the advanatage on multiple files is worth to use it. 20:32:27 <planetmaker> it does't really hide them... 20:32:37 <Ammler> andythenorth: that is why you have the grf there too 20:32:52 <planetmaker> as dev you always have the dir in your repo. In the data folder you then have all release files always. 20:33:00 <Ammler> [22:26] <planetmaker> well. Delete the grf 20:33:13 <andythenorth> ...there are no heqs versions in content_download 20:33:15 <planetmaker> hm... my local heqs folder now has three(!) heads... 20:33:34 <andythenorth> I think something bad happened earlier 20:33:56 <andythenorth> I did what looked like a straightforward merge, but not sure it has worked correctly 20:34:02 <Ammler> planetmaker: I like how make bundle_zip makes the bundle 20:34:16 <planetmaker> :-) 20:34:16 <Ammler> I would use that for everything. 20:34:46 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I'll have a look. But it's not necessarily you... I had here locally some changes I wasn't aware of anymore... :-) 20:34:46 <andythenorth> I also had to delete some hg lock files due to an interrupted commit (followed advice found on google) 20:34:53 <planetmaker> whoot? 20:35:42 <andythenorth> had an interrupted commit...after that any further commits were hung up waiting for the lock to clear 20:35:58 <andythenorth> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12865/mercurial-stuck-waiting-for-lock 20:35:59 <Webster> Title: Mercurial stuck "waiting for lock" - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com) 20:36:01 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/heqs/graph <-- should be fine 20:36:25 <andythenorth> I checked various places, I didn't just follow the first piece of advice on google :) 20:38:06 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/132 <-- your ignore file seems broken, too. 20:38:44 <andythenorth> bum 20:39:49 <andythenorth> meanwhile, back at the ranch... 20:40:26 <Ammler> oh, it seems never removed 20:40:44 <Ammler> I thought, I once cleaned your repo from those files? 20:43:04 <andythenorth> planetmaker: the latest build of the grf just doesn't show up in OpenTTD. I don't get any errors from make. 20:43:25 <andythenorth> I'm going to try a manual build 20:43:48 <planetmaker> hm... 20:43:51 <Ammler> andythenorth: I remove that file, please pull after 20:44:27 <planetmaker> andythenorth: if it doesn't show up in OpenTTD it's not a makefile failure... 20:44:54 <andythenorth> quite right 20:45:03 <andythenorth> I'm reading the final heqs.nfo that is generated 20:45:07 <planetmaker> usually :-) 20:45:17 <andythenorth> this looks interesting: 20:45:18 <andythenorth> /!!Error (68): An action 8 must preceed action 0. 20:45:27 <andythenorth> line 8 20:45:32 <planetmaker> that might be a makefile failure 20:46:33 <andythenorth> and a bit more. In heqs_header.pnfo 20:46:33 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/183764 20:47:16 <andythenorth> looks like renum woes? 20:47:34 <planetmaker> no. Looks like Makefile failure :-P 20:47:45 <andythenorth> bah 20:47:47 <andythenorth> :) 20:47:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 133: Cleanup: remove .DS_Store (again?) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/133 (by ottdc@mozart) 20:48:37 <andythenorth> does make ever write to heqs_header.pnfo? 20:48:49 <planetmaker> I'm looking 20:50:30 <andythenorth> I think it's renum...I ran it over heqs_header.pnfo because a lot of line numbers were wrong, and it makes debugging really hard 20:51:05 <planetmaker> but renum must not renum a file where there's still {{GRFID}} within action8 20:51:12 <planetmaker> that must be removed 20:51:20 <planetmaker> and replaced by something renum understands 20:51:39 <Ammler> hmm 20:51:42 <andythenorth> hmm. 20:51:42 <yorick> planetmaker: ;{{GRFID}};\n 20:51:46 <Ammler> why not just run one by one 20:51:50 <Ammler> make 20:51:58 <andythenorth> everything is currently in heqs_header 20:52:00 <Ammler> then check if there is a grf 20:52:11 <andythenorth> I could move some of it to separate files 20:52:38 <andythenorth> I never need to renum the header file 20:52:53 <Ammler> andythenorth: did you pull? 20:53:09 <andythenorth> Ammler: yup 20:56:00 <planetmaker> hm... andythenorth I don't quite follow your problem 20:56:08 <Ammler> [22:53] <andythenorth> I never need to renum the header file <-- are you sure? count the sprites? 20:56:11 <planetmaker> sure, the code is messed and it connot find a pcx file 20:56:41 <planetmaker> Can't read sprites/heavy_trucks/heavy_trucks.pcx 20:57:04 <andythenorth> planetmaker: that's your local build right? 20:57:07 <planetmaker> but the generated nfo for action8 looks fine for me 20:57:14 <planetmaker> andythenorth: that's a clean pull from the repo 20:57:18 <andythenorth> I haven't pushed that file yet. I don't like checking in broken code 20:57:21 <planetmaker> no local mods whatsoever 20:57:31 <andythenorth> give me a minute... 20:59:05 <andythenorth> right nightly etc. now work 20:59:14 <planetmaker> uhm... 20:59:22 <planetmaker> and what was the reason it didn't work? 20:59:34 <andythenorth> the answer appears to be: 'never run renum over heqs_header.pnfo' 20:59:37 <planetmaker> the missing pcx 20:59:48 <planetmaker> surely not! :-) 20:59:51 <andythenorth> the pcx is present (here) - I just haven't pushed yet 20:59:55 <planetmaker> ok 21:00:03 <planetmaker> only nfo need renum 21:00:09 <andythenorth> however if I can't renum, I have to manually renumber my sprites 21:00:11 <planetmaker> pnfo... are pre-nfo :-) 21:00:24 <andythenorth> or I guess I could work around it 21:00:29 <planetmaker> and need pre-processing before they actually can be renum'ed 21:00:54 <andythenorth> when the sprite numbers don't match the error messages...it makes the error output somewhat less useful :D 21:01:04 <planetmaker> haha :-) 21:01:26 <andythenorth> I guess I have to manually compare the pnfo and the nfo output to make sense of error messages 21:01:36 <andythenorth> that's fine as long as I remember 21:01:44 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you can always look at the nfo. 21:01:49 <planetmaker> you should have one. 21:01:59 <planetmaker> But, of course, then the changes need to be made to the pnfo 21:02:09 <planetmaker> the nfo is generated prior to nforenum is run 21:02:48 <planetmaker> It's sometimes quite useful to actually look at it after you ran renum and grfcodec. 21:03:02 <planetmaker> Can't read sprites/heavy_trucks/heavy_trucks.pcx 21:03:05 <planetmaker> errr... 21:03:15 <planetmaker> Error on sprite 1691. 21:03:34 <planetmaker> Unexpected EOF: Expected additional standard Action 2s. 21:03:36 <planetmaker> Unexpected EOF: Unused CargoIDs detected for feature 1. 21:03:46 <planetmaker> ^^ those errors are present in heqs for days actually 21:04:42 <andythenorth> some of them are present for months and months :) 21:04:58 <andythenorth> 1691 is because renum doesn't recognise a valid property (menu order) 21:04:59 <planetmaker> well... but they sound rather fatal :-) 21:05:08 <planetmaker> (the latter two) 21:05:58 <andythenorth> one would think they sound fatal, but empirically they don't seem to be :) >5000 downloads, no reported bugs that weren't quickly explained! 21:07:57 <planetmaker> well... but unexpected EOF doesn't sound like "it has to be this way" 21:07:58 <andythenorth> right, tonight's work (minimal) is pushed 21:08:05 <andythenorth> bedtime. 21:08:11 <planetmaker> and it's this way at least already last Thursday 21:08:25 <andythenorth> I'll get to those EOFs one day - they have been there since December :) 21:08:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 134: Change: miscellaneous code cleanup @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/134 (by andythenorth) 21:08:31 <planetmaker> I think I even made you a bug report 21:09:04 <planetmaker> hm, no, Wednesday was the last compile needed 21:09:25 <andythenorth> I am working on adding a new vehicle - there was unfinished code for it in place since December, I'm pretty certain the EOFs will go away when I finish the vehicle. So I hope anyway 21:09:30 <planetmaker> (just scanning through my own private compile log :-P ) 21:09:59 <planetmaker> ^which had "nightlies" of all interesting repos for a week or so 21:10:05 <planetmaker> or two 21:10:26 <planetmaker> hm... 2nd July 21:11:26 <andythenorth> bedtime for me 21:11:29 <andythenorth> good night! 21:12:01 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:39:06 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:47:17 *** yorick has quit IRC 22:06:55 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #341: engines available before 1st wagons @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/341 (by planetmaker) 22:10:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #145: Redo (all) (cargo) wagons @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/145#change-849 (by planetmaker) 22:17:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: shouldn't the releation be defined in #145